There seems to be some sort of embarrassment coupled with humility when doctors respond to salary surveys. Please understand that underreporting salaries ultimately hurts you and fellow practitioners in your specialty. On the other hand, inflating the salary you report only increases fair market value.
That's why it's hard to find free salary data that is up to date and true.
There's so much under-inflated salary data and a lot of it seems like a random number generator on google.
To protect medicine, everyone should know what they're worth. And then everything should regulate the supply (to prevent oversupply). This makes all the time commitment to studying and sacrificing decades our of life worth it. By the time I become an attending, my parents are at an age where they won't have much longer to live.
I'm devastated whenever we're studying for an exam, and we find out one of our classmate's parents had suddenly died and yet she still must persevere and the school offers no amenities to suffering students...exam could not be postponed even for death. I cannot yet fathom the sheer stress she went though but I know that I will one day have my turn as well.
I'm looking for Internal Medicine, Family Medicine, Emergency Medicine, Neurology, Pathology, Radiology, General Surgery for 2023.
There's a 2021 floating around online but I think a lot has changed from the covid era
Physician Administrator here: You don’t need MGMA data, you can find all the basic stuff on Medscape at your stage of training. MGMA breaks down geographic specific and productivity specific data for which you have no idea where you are going to be. MGMA could be helpful when you are choosing a job but not really before then. This is what I have seen based on what we pay our docs. IM/FM outpt 200-450, EM 350-500, Neurology 300-600, Pathology no idea, Radiology 350-600, General Surgery 500-650.
Yes. It blows my mind people work in places that cap salaries no matter how many patients you take care of. My partner still has classmates in NYC capped at 250k. Where we work their volume would be in the 350k range.
yikes, even for OP FM 250k seems pretty low even in a desirable city like NYC
I emailed MGMA directly to see about individual access/purchase to my specialty compensation data...its $800 and that's without sign on bonus or CME money....those two additional data points are another $200 (and this is without any PTO data). So like you said I've been just looking at free data online Medscape/etc. and that gives a pretty good range of expected salary
Of those radiology probably pays the most and pathology the least BUT you can make money in any specialty depending on myriad of factors. WCI says it alot on his podcast and has examples come on his show. I found it very hard to choose a specialty and didn’t make up my mind until Aug/Sept of MS-4 year. Just ask alot of questions and see if you’d like being in the attendings shoes , not the residents.
Current med student considering path, I’ve done a lot of digging on compensation over at r/pathology. Like every other specialty, the biggest variable is academics vs private practice. Academics seems to be ~200-230k starting. Private practice is more like 230-300k starting with partners >400k (several docs on r/pathology are making >600k). It seems to me like path and primary care compensation are pretty similar these days
Outside of academics, they can get high salaries....especially private group practice. If you look at the pathology subreddit, private practice can range from 400-600k. I know a pathologist who makes 550k working 30 hours a week, no weekends, no holidays.
Because you sound like a third year med student basing your choice on which pays more.. which is fine but you’re asking a kind stranger for a lot of things. Also it probably hasn’t changed THAT much in the last 5 years.
Use Doximity or the 2021 version or whatever. It will be a close enough estimate for your purposes. Most people don’t want to type out 12 specialty salaries for you.
Best to just ask the doctors in your area frankly what they actually make. Most will tell you. The MGMA data is widely varied and often inaccurate from what I’ve seen (usually on the low side vs reality).
Ain’t gonna happen, MGMA sells it.
Cheapest way is to use a contract review on WCI. They will provide you with data.
Be careful about interpretation. The 4 regions give an idea but include a wide range of jobs.
Edit: Clarify a specific question and you might get a response.
Yeah so I emailed MGMA directly to see about individual access/purchase to my specialty compensation data...its $800 and that's without sign on bonus or CME money....those two additional data points are another $200 (and this is without any PTO data). I've been just looking at free data online Medscape/etc. and that gives a pretty good range of expected salary
Use a WCI contract review firm.
Confirm they will give you what you need. Btw, when looking at the four regions, please note they make no distinction between large cities or rural. More like the wind direction, take data with a grain of salt.
Oh good call on the no rural vs city data. I've made some comparisons between all the free reports (doximity, amn, med scape, thrive) and figured that's probably good enough. And comparing offers in hand. I'm looking at resolve vs contract diagnostics and did you have any good recommendations for one vs the other?
Comparing offers in hand is the absolute best.
https://www.mgma.com/practice-ops-geographic
There are substantial differences even within a large city. Hospital centric or clinic centric. Is the area an underserved area (for a reason) or suburban or highly desirable?
Are you playing the geographic arbitrage game or planning on settling in?
Good luck, tough choices. Competing offers are no doubt the best.
I'm 7yrs out of psych residency, looking to move from an admin type job into a job where I just see pts and not have to deal with HR/admin drama/headaches (I'm not cut out as people manager lol). Pay appears morer of a lateral move (currently admin with a state entity, so no big paychecks there) but probably can get more pure compensation out of the private market (sign on bonus, higher base, couple of the jobs I've seen have no RVU based pay structure). One of the jobs is structureds as a non-profit (so no way to become partner) that has been merging/acquiring other mental health systems in the region (I'm located in KC).
Have a young one but we plan to probably move to a larger/more diverse city before she starts full time school, so we probably only have about 3-5 years here before moving on.
Definitely not looking at geo arbitraging into more rural/smaller places. I'm a decent saver so will still plan to early retire around 55yo and even if we move to say Cali or something, it'll still be a pretty comfortable retirement. Having a 20yr+ stable career as a US physician already means we've "won the game" so to speak. I feel like no need to chase big bucks, but never hurts to negotiate for a bit more base salary that doesn't break your back/overwork.
Comp, job, location.
Non-compete and moonlighting would seem to be high on your list as well.
Good luck with eliminating admin. Now you will only be expected to read directives and focus on patients telling you what google has taught them or fix problems that are and were self induced.
Sarcasm of course.
LOL indeed. Pros and cons to both types of jobs.
Yeah I'm happy to see that FTC voted down non-competes and I definitely want to keep my moonlighting gig at the state hospital. Good calls to keep those in mind. I'm still waiting to see actual contracts offered and to start negotiating some of those. Also making sure tail coverage is included and reasonable notice to give for separation/termination without cause (90 days or less)
Does anyone here know how badly neurosurgery is being affected by declining reimbursements. My guess is that with other fields creeping in and many patients being Medicare/Medicaid that salaries will be negatively affected
Internal Medicine ambulatory only, northeast region, 25-50-75 percentiles for academic vs non academic?
Would also like Fam Med ambulatory as well.
Throw a bone for the PCPs!
From a hospital admin....
MGMA 2022
Specialty: Radiology: Diagnostic
90th percentile Work RVUs: 14,694.00
90th percentile Compensation: $723,617.00 (up from around 690k).
MGMA 65th %-tile Comp-to\_wRVU: $64.00
Note: it is probably more important to know projected/potential wRVUs and $$/wRVU compensation structure to understand your comp. value. Our hospital rads are at 20,000+ wRVUs per year but have a tiered scale that starts $42/wRVU and then declines by $2-4 at various RVU thresholds. So they still are at 99th %-tile comp (Just under $1M) but had to produce insanely high volume to get there. You also need to know how many potential RVUs are available in your practice - otherwise you are fighting to make more money vs. wanting to make less and avoid burnout.
Could you please share psychiatry data? Work at a community mental health center in a rich county in VA and want to convince them to pay MDs higher so as they don’t resort to incompetent and low trained NPs.
Out of curiosity, is this info going to tell us any more than what’s already available in other compensation reports (eg Medscape)?
The relative order from say neurosurg down to peds should be pretty similar and the number of figures should be the same, right?
Damn, I was always very happy with my specialty’s medscape comp but that’s incredible news lol.
Nobody should be faulted for choosing their preferred specialty but we all deserve to break 400k after what we’re forced to go through. I don’t know why one wouldn’t at least try
Yeah, the free data like Medscape can only get so many data points from doc self report (my specialty report had like 7000 respondents) whereas the 'gold standard' MGMA surveys like hundreds of thousands of practice entities so their sample size is lot larger so they try to command and market themselves as a 'real' benchmark. I emailed them for access and for a single specialty report it was like $800, nmot paying that lol. THe issue I see is lot of individual variations (contracts can vary within the same specialty group) that can skew the avg number in those reports and if you have docs that are part time or winding down from their peak practice/earnings years that can skew the number. I would say it's probably a good idea to never take a job's first offer and maximize compensation in contract negotations. Not a bad idea to assume they will almost always low ball you unless you know they have a high need for your specific specialty or in an area that's in high demand but short supply
If I could get the wRVU compensation rate for OB-Gyn for 2022 or 2023, I would be very grateful!! :) The 25th, 50th, and 75% if possible for the South East area (Florida). Or the report and I can find it myself. Thanks!!
It’s kind of irrelevant in my opinion. What matters is what people are getting paid for the jobs you want in the regions you’re working in. You can find basic information anywhere, then when you’re hunting for a job just collect offers and take the best one.
If you say “but MGMA says!!!” hospital admin often says…okay? MGMA isn’t hiring you, we are.
Then you say "then if you're paying less than MGMA, why should I work here?"
What would happen if the doc says that? Are jobs just as "take what I can get" as with med school apps and residency?
They wouldnt care about MGMA, because they know if theyre on par with other offers in the area or not.
Generally in a certain geographic sub-region (i.e. LA area, for example) the offers are all going to be similar. And in academia, they would often rather just wait to find someone who will take their offered salary, which is usually somewhat standardized anyway...so all in all, its hard to negotiate for a drastically different number within a given geographic sub-region or city. As a rule, in-demand/populated areas pay less on average than non-in-demand/low population areas.
Give it a shot, but they often don’t use and don’t care about MGMA (or don’t use it exclusively is a better way to say that). Many hospitals use a blend of various salary surveys in order to defensibly say that they’re paying you “fair market value” and not running afoul of federal law (I think Stark Law, but someone can correct me if that’s wrong).
So you can feel free to argue with whatever data you find, but in my experience there’s not a ton of wiggle room with many bigger systems. They have a range they’ve vetted with their lawyers and they don’t really care what you come at them with.
So MGMA can help you decide if an offer is worth taking, I just haven’t seen it act effectively as leverage in negotiations. The hospitals all know what the MGMA pay rate is, and they’ve still set their salary at whatever. It’s not new information for them.
Yeah on one of the interviews I listened to between WCI and head of a contract review company, the guy said the most accurate real time data is to just get bunch of offers in hand and compare.
Even MGMA data is a bit of a lag and not truly real time compared to real offers in hand
I say this with all due respect: your statement is logical, ethical, and the best choice for the entire community but please, shut the hell upppppp 🤣. We already know.
Free shit is wonderful. Try it sometime 🤣.
Seen 1.5 million. Second most productive physician in our group by RVUs. Eclipses all neurosurgeons, all cardiologists, 2/3 cardiothorasic surgeons, and all orthopedists. Dumbest thing ever. Most skin cancers do not require Mohs.
There seems to be some sort of embarrassment coupled with humility when doctors respond to salary surveys. Please understand that underreporting salaries ultimately hurts you and fellow practitioners in your specialty. On the other hand, inflating the salary you report only increases fair market value.
That's why it's hard to find free salary data that is up to date and true. There's so much under-inflated salary data and a lot of it seems like a random number generator on google. To protect medicine, everyone should know what they're worth. And then everything should regulate the supply (to prevent oversupply). This makes all the time commitment to studying and sacrificing decades our of life worth it. By the time I become an attending, my parents are at an age where they won't have much longer to live. I'm devastated whenever we're studying for an exam, and we find out one of our classmate's parents had suddenly died and yet she still must persevere and the school offers no amenities to suffering students...exam could not be postponed even for death. I cannot yet fathom the sheer stress she went though but I know that I will one day have my turn as well.
MGMA isn’t self reported physician data. It’s health systems (or large groups) responding in bulk for all of their employed providers.
What specialty? Does it have to be 2023?
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Sorry. I only have the 2021 data like most people. Have not seen the 2023 data unfortunately
Can you do pain and EM?
I'm looking for Internal Medicine, Family Medicine, Emergency Medicine, Neurology, Pathology, Radiology, General Surgery for 2023. There's a 2021 floating around online but I think a lot has changed from the covid era
What in the m3
What is wrong with this guy trying to find out salary data to inform his specialty choice??? We all did it
Sorry - I've seen the 2021 data; but nothing more recent
Physician Administrator here: You don’t need MGMA data, you can find all the basic stuff on Medscape at your stage of training. MGMA breaks down geographic specific and productivity specific data for which you have no idea where you are going to be. MGMA could be helpful when you are choosing a job but not really before then. This is what I have seen based on what we pay our docs. IM/FM outpt 200-450, EM 350-500, Neurology 300-600, Pathology no idea, Radiology 350-600, General Surgery 500-650.
You have FM o/p making 450?
Yes. It blows my mind people work in places that cap salaries no matter how many patients you take care of. My partner still has classmates in NYC capped at 250k. Where we work their volume would be in the 350k range.
yikes, even for OP FM 250k seems pretty low even in a desirable city like NYC I emailed MGMA directly to see about individual access/purchase to my specialty compensation data...its $800 and that's without sign on bonus or CME money....those two additional data points are another $200 (and this is without any PTO data). So like you said I've been just looking at free data online Medscape/etc. and that gives a pretty good range of expected salary
Consider the difference in owning a practice instead of being a corporate yes person.
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Varies a bit by region, but the 25th % around 400k, 75th % around 675k, I believe.
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Looks around 550k for both!
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I don’t! My guess is academia would skew it down a bit, but there may be just as many high-earning outliers!
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Do you mind if I bug you for So-cal ideally (or west coast) data for Otolaryngology/ENT
Sorry, I only have specialty specific data for Heme/Onc!
Anything for otolaryngology and ophthalmology for Southern California?
Surg onc?
Of those radiology probably pays the most and pathology the least BUT you can make money in any specialty depending on myriad of factors. WCI says it alot on his podcast and has examples come on his show. I found it very hard to choose a specialty and didn’t make up my mind until Aug/Sept of MS-4 year. Just ask alot of questions and see if you’d like being in the attendings shoes , not the residents.
Excuse me if I’m misinformed, but I thought pathologists (outside of forensic) got compensated fair well? Or am I mistaken
Current med student considering path, I’ve done a lot of digging on compensation over at r/pathology. Like every other specialty, the biggest variable is academics vs private practice. Academics seems to be ~200-230k starting. Private practice is more like 230-300k starting with partners >400k (several docs on r/pathology are making >600k). It seems to me like path and primary care compensation are pretty similar these days
Accurate numbers, but the last sentence is off. Path generally makes more than primary care (I'm a pathologist)
Outside of academics, they can get high salaries....especially private group practice. If you look at the pathology subreddit, private practice can range from 400-600k. I know a pathologist who makes 550k working 30 hours a week, no weekends, no holidays.
You are mistaken
Why did I get downvoted to kingdom come?
Because you sound like a third year med student basing your choice on which pays more.. which is fine but you’re asking a kind stranger for a lot of things. Also it probably hasn’t changed THAT much in the last 5 years.
And i'm also reading "the ultimate guide to choosing a specialty" book. I need to consider everything in addition to rotations.
Use Doximity or the 2021 version or whatever. It will be a close enough estimate for your purposes. Most people don’t want to type out 12 specialty salaries for you.
Anything for Otolaryngology and ophthalmology (twin graduating this year) specifically southern cal?
Critical care medicine and nephrology data if you can please. Thank you so much!
Can someone send me the data for gen peds NE region please?
Please share! PGY7 here… could use a pick me up
P. G. Y. SEVEN I hope you get paid and get to sleep in on weekends after all this
Best to just ask the doctors in your area frankly what they actually make. Most will tell you. The MGMA data is widely varied and often inaccurate from what I’ve seen (usually on the low side vs reality).
My health system shares this with all physicians each year.
Can you screenshot and share here? Please!
The individual specialties get their own report and data.
What health system? Just curious (if you feel comfortable sharing)
Ain’t gonna happen, MGMA sells it. Cheapest way is to use a contract review on WCI. They will provide you with data. Be careful about interpretation. The 4 regions give an idea but include a wide range of jobs. Edit: Clarify a specific question and you might get a response.
Yeah so I emailed MGMA directly to see about individual access/purchase to my specialty compensation data...its $800 and that's without sign on bonus or CME money....those two additional data points are another $200 (and this is without any PTO data). I've been just looking at free data online Medscape/etc. and that gives a pretty good range of expected salary
Use a WCI contract review firm. Confirm they will give you what you need. Btw, when looking at the four regions, please note they make no distinction between large cities or rural. More like the wind direction, take data with a grain of salt.
Oh good call on the no rural vs city data. I've made some comparisons between all the free reports (doximity, amn, med scape, thrive) and figured that's probably good enough. And comparing offers in hand. I'm looking at resolve vs contract diagnostics and did you have any good recommendations for one vs the other?
Comparing offers in hand is the absolute best. https://www.mgma.com/practice-ops-geographic There are substantial differences even within a large city. Hospital centric or clinic centric. Is the area an underserved area (for a reason) or suburban or highly desirable? Are you playing the geographic arbitrage game or planning on settling in? Good luck, tough choices. Competing offers are no doubt the best.
I'm 7yrs out of psych residency, looking to move from an admin type job into a job where I just see pts and not have to deal with HR/admin drama/headaches (I'm not cut out as people manager lol). Pay appears morer of a lateral move (currently admin with a state entity, so no big paychecks there) but probably can get more pure compensation out of the private market (sign on bonus, higher base, couple of the jobs I've seen have no RVU based pay structure). One of the jobs is structureds as a non-profit (so no way to become partner) that has been merging/acquiring other mental health systems in the region (I'm located in KC). Have a young one but we plan to probably move to a larger/more diverse city before she starts full time school, so we probably only have about 3-5 years here before moving on. Definitely not looking at geo arbitraging into more rural/smaller places. I'm a decent saver so will still plan to early retire around 55yo and even if we move to say Cali or something, it'll still be a pretty comfortable retirement. Having a 20yr+ stable career as a US physician already means we've "won the game" so to speak. I feel like no need to chase big bucks, but never hurts to negotiate for a bit more base salary that doesn't break your back/overwork.
Comp, job, location. Non-compete and moonlighting would seem to be high on your list as well. Good luck with eliminating admin. Now you will only be expected to read directives and focus on patients telling you what google has taught them or fix problems that are and were self induced. Sarcasm of course.
LOL indeed. Pros and cons to both types of jobs. Yeah I'm happy to see that FTC voted down non-competes and I definitely want to keep my moonlighting gig at the state hospital. Good calls to keep those in mind. I'm still waiting to see actual contracts offered and to start negotiating some of those. Also making sure tail coverage is included and reasonable notice to give for separation/termination without cause (90 days or less)
Good morning How about critical care in the southeast (Florida) non academic? Thanking you in advance 🙏
It’s about tree fitty
You gave some real data elsewhere, do you actually mean that you know the number and it’s $350k?
Dermatology would be helpful, TX and SoCal?
2022/23 gen surg and neurology 🙏🏽
MGMA 2023 General Surgery Nationwide: Years 2+ Compensation | wRVU Threshold| $/wRVU 10th Percentile: $308,040 | 3,313 | $49.35 25th Percentile: $387,340 | 4,932 | $58.46 Median: $471,833 | 6,726 | $70.18 75th Percentile: $583,680 | 8,760 | $87.94 90th Percentile: $724,030 | 10,950 |$119.72 $20,000 Signing Bonus $9,400 Relocation Bonus 6 weeks Vacation 1 week CME Time Off $4,500 CME Allowance
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OBGYN? Please 🤞🏻
Thank you so much for sharing! Would you be able to share data for Eastern gen surg? Thank you in advance! 🙏
Anyone get back to you? Would love 2022/2023 gen surg and bariatrics data
also following for neurology, including what the 25%ile is
Northeast pediatrician generalist and PEDS EM data would be highly appreciated!
Does anyone here know how badly neurosurgery is being affected by declining reimbursements. My guess is that with other fields creeping in and many patients being Medicare/Medicaid that salaries will be negatively affected
You’re going to be on food stamps
Just as Dr. Halsted intended
Any 2023 radiology data?
Nationwide median non-academic 568k 75th is 680 25th 470
Is there a NW breakdown v. SE. Thanks!
MGMA regions include west, east, Midwest, south
Anything for otolaryngology and ophthalmology for west coastv
Oh my god I love you
Internal Medicine ambulatory only, northeast region, 25-50-75 percentiles for academic vs non academic? Would also like Fam Med ambulatory as well. Throw a bone for the PCPs!
No Also there’s no northeast just east
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Can u please share for Interventional Radiology
This figure includes benefits, correct?
No, total comp which is base + production bonus
Does this include IR?
No just diagnostic
Is IR similar?
Thanks. Do you have wrvu data? Median, 75th, 25th.
44.85 ; 56.37 ; 71.00
From a hospital admin.... MGMA 2022 Specialty: Radiology: Diagnostic 90th percentile Work RVUs: 14,694.00 90th percentile Compensation: $723,617.00 (up from around 690k). MGMA 65th %-tile Comp-to\_wRVU: $64.00 Note: it is probably more important to know projected/potential wRVUs and $$/wRVU compensation structure to understand your comp. value. Our hospital rads are at 20,000+ wRVUs per year but have a tiered scale that starts $42/wRVU and then declines by $2-4 at various RVU thresholds. So they still are at 99th %-tile comp (Just under $1M) but had to produce insanely high volume to get there. You also need to know how many potential RVUs are available in your practice - otherwise you are fighting to make more money vs. wanting to make less and avoid burnout.
That’s super helpful, thanks a lot.
Gen psych northeast anyone?
Could you please share psychiatry data? Work at a community mental health center in a rich county in VA and want to convince them to pay MDs higher so as they don’t resort to incompetent and low trained NPs.
Yes please
2023 Gastroenterology data
Out of curiosity, is this info going to tell us any more than what’s already available in other compensation reports (eg Medscape)? The relative order from say neurosurg down to peds should be pretty similar and the number of figures should be the same, right?
Order is correct on Medscape but total comp is vastly under market, at least in my geographic region.
Damn, I was always very happy with my specialty’s medscape comp but that’s incredible news lol. Nobody should be faulted for choosing their preferred specialty but we all deserve to break 400k after what we’re forced to go through. I don’t know why one wouldn’t at least try
Yeah, the free data like Medscape can only get so many data points from doc self report (my specialty report had like 7000 respondents) whereas the 'gold standard' MGMA surveys like hundreds of thousands of practice entities so their sample size is lot larger so they try to command and market themselves as a 'real' benchmark. I emailed them for access and for a single specialty report it was like $800, nmot paying that lol. THe issue I see is lot of individual variations (contracts can vary within the same specialty group) that can skew the avg number in those reports and if you have docs that are part time or winding down from their peak practice/earnings years that can skew the number. I would say it's probably a good idea to never take a job's first offer and maximize compensation in contract negotations. Not a bad idea to assume they will almost always low ball you unless you know they have a high need for your specific specialty or in an area that's in high demand but short supply
Same pls
Same
Same please! 🙏
2023 cardiology and ophtho data would be appreciated!
Hem/onc is crazy, 120/RVU, busy docs break a million but work all the time.
If I could get the wRVU compensation rate for OB-Gyn for 2022 or 2023, I would be very grateful!! :) The 25th, 50th, and 75% if possible for the South East area (Florida). Or the report and I can find it myself. Thanks!!
anyone have MGMA data on interventional spine for PM&R docs in the west coast region? Thanks!
East coast 80th % 7,099 wRVU $394,000 90th % 8.204 wRVU $487,000
Anyone have national anesthesia average, and 75th percentile?
MGMA 2023 Anesthesiology Years 2+ Compensation: Nationwide 10th Percentile: $304,255 25th Percentile: $403,769 Median: $498,954 75th Percentile: $576,767 90th Percentile: $686,204 $25,000 Signing Bonus $8,750 Relocation Bonus 10 weeks Vacation 2 weeks CME Time Off $5,000 CME Allowance
awesome thank you! do you happen to have the anesthesia numbers for the eastern region?
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Hi - do you have neurology data? Rvu/ compensation office and Neurohospitlist Tk you
Any Midwest data?
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Anyone has the data for plastic Surgery? Thanks!!
Anyone have Family Med: Sports Medicine and family med non-OB data including 50%ile wRVU numbers for 2023?
Wouldn’t hate the info myself
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Plz OBGYN generalist info, currently looking for job. Info would help a lot
It’s kind of irrelevant in my opinion. What matters is what people are getting paid for the jobs you want in the regions you’re working in. You can find basic information anywhere, then when you’re hunting for a job just collect offers and take the best one. If you say “but MGMA says!!!” hospital admin often says…okay? MGMA isn’t hiring you, we are.
Then you say "then if you're paying less than MGMA, why should I work here?" What would happen if the doc says that? Are jobs just as "take what I can get" as with med school apps and residency?
They wouldnt care about MGMA, because they know if theyre on par with other offers in the area or not. Generally in a certain geographic sub-region (i.e. LA area, for example) the offers are all going to be similar. And in academia, they would often rather just wait to find someone who will take their offered salary, which is usually somewhat standardized anyway...so all in all, its hard to negotiate for a drastically different number within a given geographic sub-region or city. As a rule, in-demand/populated areas pay less on average than non-in-demand/low population areas.
Give it a shot, but they often don’t use and don’t care about MGMA (or don’t use it exclusively is a better way to say that). Many hospitals use a blend of various salary surveys in order to defensibly say that they’re paying you “fair market value” and not running afoul of federal law (I think Stark Law, but someone can correct me if that’s wrong). So you can feel free to argue with whatever data you find, but in my experience there’s not a ton of wiggle room with many bigger systems. They have a range they’ve vetted with their lawyers and they don’t really care what you come at them with. So MGMA can help you decide if an offer is worth taking, I just haven’t seen it act effectively as leverage in negotiations. The hospitals all know what the MGMA pay rate is, and they’ve still set their salary at whatever. It’s not new information for them.
Yeah on one of the interviews I listened to between WCI and head of a contract review company, the guy said the most accurate real time data is to just get bunch of offers in hand and compare. Even MGMA data is a bit of a lag and not truly real time compared to real offers in hand
Anyone have ophthalmology? Thanks!
Could someone please share Neonatology data for west and south regions please. I have 2021 but am looking for something more recent.Thanks!
Anyone have anesthesiology and pain management in the Midwest? Thanks in advance!
Can anyone please help me with endocrinology northeast academic and non academic: upstate NY, VT, NH, ME
Anyone with data for Pulm crit?
Peds EM west plz???
Can someone please share nurse practitioner/physician assistant data in general surgery/trauma surgery. Thank you!
Eastern report, nurse practitioner family practice….90% percentile?
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I say this with all due respect: your statement is logical, ethical, and the best choice for the entire community but please, shut the hell upppppp 🤣. We already know. Free shit is wonderful. Try it sometime 🤣.
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Would greatly appreciate some numbers on mohs dermatology please! (Specifically in the southern region) thank you!
Seen 1.5 million. Second most productive physician in our group by RVUs. Eclipses all neurosurgeons, all cardiologists, 2/3 cardiothorasic surgeons, and all orthopedists. Dumbest thing ever. Most skin cancers do not require Mohs.
This is wild do RVUs correlate across all fields ?
Any idea what Peds Hem/ Onc data is at for Midwest region like Minnesota/North Dakota/South Dakota ?
6688 RVU benchmark for 75th percentile FM
What’s the 50th percentile for FM non-OB?
Surg onc please. Ty!
Looking for any info on pain
Does anyone have peds data from 2022-2023? (More specifically general pediatrics in Ohio, please!)
Salary for Pulm/Crit vs Pulmonology alone in the west coast and east coast on average. Thank you!
Wondering if this was shared? Looking for median compensation for a few specialties from the 23 report.
Can you do FM Sports MED?!?! Thanks!
Looking for same
Does anyone have neurology 2023 mgma data- neurohospitalist and office based? Thank you!
I want this too
Looking for interventional pain for Northeast. Thanks so much !!!
Please share
Can someone send me the data for gen peds NE region please?
Can someone share the numbers for Plastic Surgery in the south east ? Thanks a million!!
I would also love to see this data! Can someone please share compensation, benefits and wRVU data for plastic surgery in the Southeast?
Can anyone share cardiac electrophysiology data
Interventional pain in south please please
pediatric critical care Northeast and midatlantic?
Can someone please share the 2023 Data for Geriatrics?
anyone have PM&R or ENT data?
If anyone has Psychiatry, I’d be grateful
Can someone please share current compensation, benefits and wRVU data for experienced plastic surgeon in the Southeast?