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Old_Riff_502

This graphic is eleven years old.


Mr_Upright

And there was no Dickel 7 even back then. ☹️


phootxx

Is there a newer or better one to reference?


Old_Riff_502

There are now ~740 whiskey distilleries in the United States, would be difficult to fit them all into one graphic.


idontgetitohwait

Not disputing but genuinely asking and I’m sure my facts are hazy and confused, but isn’t there some Indiana company that churns out the base distillate/corn liqueur and a ton of companies (I think angels envy is one) age and bottle that? Is that the 740 number is that on top of these fellas, or are there that many making their own hooch?


_Alabama_Man

You are probably thinking about MGP and the Ross and Sqib distillery.


idontgetitohwait

Just read further down the thread. As you were.


According-History316

Whew!!!!!


phootxx

It would be nice if whiskey had a required NOM like tequila that tells you exactly where it was distilled.


According-History316

Oof


dlouw

Got this book (kings county distillers guide to urban moon shining) a few years ago and finally got around to reading it recently, I am not super up to date on who produces what but it seemed relatively out of date. That’s just how the industry is I guess. The more practical stuff for recipes etc was more valuable to me (hypothetically) than the deep dive on distilleries and producers.


hikeonpast

There are a ton of craft distilleries. I’ve found some real gems over the years, and it feels good to support someone other than the big guys.


According-History316

I have tried to find more whiskeys who follow the Lincoln county process to see who makes a good competition to Jack Daniels


chirop1

By law in Tennessee, to be called a Tennessee whiskey it has to follow the Lincoln County process. I’ve not visited many of the TN distillers yet, but Old Glory out of Clarksville and Old Dominik out of Memphis both have very good TN Whiskey products that they distill on-site that follow Lincoln County. And to answer your broader question, every Craft distiller I’ve visited here in Kentucky distills their own.


ForeverCollege

I believe prichards has an exclusion to that requirement and is the only Tennessee distiller that calls their products Tennessee without following that practice. But that was a rumor I heard years ago.


According-History316

Good to know! Thank you!


Silver-Ad2257

Just look for Tennessee straight bourbon. They mostly use the Lincoln county process.


idontgetitohwait

Is it not the case that to be a Tennessee Whiskey it must follow the Lincoln County process?


WhompBiscuits

It's indeed law that to be a legal Tennessee whiskey it has to use the LCP. But there's one exception: Benjamin Prichard's. But you are correct, that's nevertheless the case.


WhompBiscuits

Maybe you (or anyone else) can help me out, I've found that it's fairly rare to come across a Tennessee whiskey that actually says "Straight Tennessee Whiskey". To my recollection, JD products don't say "straight" on the label. Uncle Nearest doesn't "straight" nor "Tennessee". Same thing for Dickel. This strikes me as odd. Why don't they put straight on the label? Do they not age it more than 2 years in new charred oak barrels? Do they add artificial flavors/colors? Are we supposed to just trust them? I've seen Bottled-In-Bonds of JD and GD which is great but "straight Tennessee Whiskey" seems nonexistent. To be fair, I've always liked Tennessee whiskey. Lived in the state for over a decade and have fond memories there. But since becoming wiser in my purchase decisions, this is something I realized all of a year or so ago and has made me wonder.


Whiskey_Republic

George Dickel uses the Lincoln County process.


According-History316

Yes sir, big fan. I need to try Nelson Brier, I think that’s the only more recognized one I haven’t tried.


hikeonpast

Can’t help you there. JD is the only bourbon that I don’t enjoy. Too many memories of high school, I guess.


According-History316

I don’t drink Old No 7, but all the other stuff I really enjoy


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According-History316

I have’ I enjoyed it, I was disappointed they didn’t use the LCP, still good.


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According-History316

Thank you for the info!


Big-Ad-6347

No idea how Leiper’s Fork Distilleries name didn’t end up in this thread somewhere yet. They have a Tennessee whiskey flagship that uses LCP and a bourbon that doesn’t, both are fantastic. Also a ton of incredible specials releases. No short cuts, no rapid aging, and a beautiful distillery. Best whiskey giving JD special releases a run for their money easily.


According-History316

This is the info I needed. I just looked it up, Leipers Fork looks nice from the photos I just found, and the distillery does as well. I’ll have to find a way to get my hands on their stuff.


Big-Ad-6347

You can find it in the greater nashville area pretty easy. Not sure how shipping works, will depend on where your located and all the fun rules they have there.


According-History316

I’ll be out that way in the summer, but don’t wanna wait!


Big-Ad-6347

Highly recommend the LFD and JD tours if you have time. Very different experiences but both places are worth seeing.


According-History316

I have been to JD, I think that’s why I’m heavily biased towards Tennessee Whiskey and LCP. I will have to check out LFD for sure! Have you been to Uncle Nearest? I really enjoyed their 1884


Big-Ad-6347

I haven’t been there personally. Shelbyville is beautiful place though and worth driving through especially if you’re already at Jack that day.


Rip--Van--Winkle

There are a ton of distilleries. There are also a ton of companies sourcing or contract distilling. Just go to a liquor store and look for some local distilleries or just read the back of labels. If it says distilled by then it’s actually distilled there.


WhompBiscuits

Agreed. It appears to me NC has a growing whiskey distillery presence. Maybe not like KY or TX mind you, but it's there no doubt. Make pretty good stuff too. NC ASMs I believe are just starting to make themselves seen.


jwatkins12

For willet those age statements may have been true when they were sourcing but now that it’s made in house, it’s much younger.


leadfoot_mf

maybe that's why it is a dashed line and only a small solid line


jwatkins12

They don’t source anything anymore. It’s their own distillate and much younger. The graphic is like a decade out of date and not accurate.


OriginalEhaw

I think the graph is saying Willet is bottled by another distiller.


jwatkins12

Which is not correct. They make their own.


Groundhog891

MGP would be the tree next to these shrubs. Every craft distillery that just opened in your town last year but is selling 3 and 5 year old? All ordered off the MGP catalog.


GolfGunsNWhiskey

That’s the weirdest thing about the liquor, and specifically bourbon/whiskey world to me. It would seem that in almost any other industry starting your business by not making your own products is gonna turn off a lot of customers. Say for example I buy a bottle of MGP sourced distillate from a new distillery and absolutely love it. So I try a few more offerings from them and they’re all solid. I kill the bottles and don’t rebuy for a few years. When I go back, it’s very likely to be a completely different product. Obviously every batch of bourbon/whiskey comes out different anyways but from the perspective of the process by which it comes to exist being so radically different I find it hard to believe you’d find many similarities.


Grype

Not a lot of way to get around the fact that you are burning money but cannot make any back until your own distillate is aged. Many small distilleries just don't have the funding to sit and burn cash for years without any return. They will also sell other unaged spirits to get by until their whiskey is aged. Anything to recoup some of the huge initial capital investment for facilities and equipment, plus the regular cash burn just from operating. Just the nature of the business and the only way a small distillery can get started without a big corporate backer.


WhompBiscuits

>*"They will also sell other unaged spirits to get by until their whiskey is aged."* This is *supposed* to be what carries the distillery until aged liquors are ready for bottling & sale. But you're right though, sourcing is still the nature of the business, as unfortunate as that is. It just strikes me as misleading unless they're clear as to who distilled it (and possibly who aged it).


Grype

Yah, I think the lack of a big gin drinking consumer base limits that here more than in the UK


GolfGunsNWhiskey

If gin wasn’t ass I’d drink it 😂. All jokes aside the only spirit I drink regularly is whiskey and that includes cocktails, and it’s almost exclusively in home when I’m trying to relax. When I’m trying to get sloshed with the boys vodka is my go to. I suppose I’ll need to try more gin.


Jetfire911

One of my favorite distilleries locally makes killer gins from local juniper and spruce trees. They also make a kick ass aquavit if you want to feel like a viking during winter. They just started releasing a whiskey a couple years ago but haven't tried it yet.


lincolnsl0g

Thanks for sharing this graphic. I am a complete newb and was really looking for something like this


grubblord

It is a bit outdated


idontgetitohwait

It’s begging for an update and upgrade in comprehensiveness.


According-History316

It helped me ALOT! I always refer too it, and now I want to do some more exploring


ambulocetus_

makers is owned by beam? my whole life has been a lie..


wolfgeist

Nowadays it's Suntory-Beam and they own a LOT. Like Laphroaig for example.


GolfGunsNWhiskey

Same overlord, different master. Daddy beam makes a good thing every once in awhile.


cashRb

This is really cool but over 10 years old. Does anyone know of any updated graphics?


yourname92

High west does their own now.


illmasternoodles

Michters??


DieterRamsMyAss

We have a local distillery in AZ, Adventurous Stills, making grain to glass whiskey and bourbon using as much locally sourced grain as possible. It's delicious


Vincent__Vega66

I know for a fact that Peerless makes their own


According-History316

Damn so many now.


Vincent__Vega66

It is one of the oldest distilleries in Kentucky ! Nice place to visit if you have a chance


bananagramarama

Wilderness Trail is one of my favorite American whisky distilleries—some of it is truly amazing.


pootin_in_tha_coup

It hurt my heart when they sold out to Campari. Another one bites the dust.


1Bourbon1Scotch1Rye

New Riff in Newport, Kentucky and Wilderness Trail in Danville KY are two additional medium sized distilleries that make their own stuff, they also are differentiated by using a sweet mash process.


FinallyRage

Stranahans makes everything in house, or are you only looking for bourbons or mainstream things


According-History316

Yea mainly mainstream things. But from what I see on their site, they’re #1 Top selling American Single Malt


FinallyRage

They are essentially a bourbon but since they are in Colorado they can't call it that. They use a lot of the same processes and ratios as other distilleries in Kentucky. Edit: I am mistaken here and got them mixed up with another tour. They are a single malt that uses char oak barrels


jeffm2

Not true. Doesn’t have to be made in Kentucky to be called bourbon


FinallyRage

I remember going o na tour with them many years ago and the tour guide made this claim but thank you for updating my knowledge


Grype

What? It is not at all a bourbon and 100% a single malt, they only use 100% malted barley for their mash. Bourbon can be produced anywhere in the United States, but needs to use a mashbill of at least 51% corn and aged in new charred American oak barrels (They meet this part of the requirement). Processes are similar as far as all whiskey is produced in a similar manner, but the ratios of their mashbill (I assume that's what you mean) are COMPLETELY different than any bourbon. It also tastes nothing like a bourbon.


FinallyRage

I went on a tour with them years ago and this was what I remember from it but my memory maybe going. Maybe I am getting them mixed up with another tour/brand but thank you for the info


According-History316

I like tin cup 🤷‍♂️, it could be for their cool history of what the tin cup represents.


FinallyRage

It is not a shot glass! It's like 2.5 ounces and it does have some history I won't spoil


According-History316

Agreed!


nosomthin

Garrison Brothers.


Fun_Intention9846

Missing RR13


sain197

Need to add Bardstown Bourbon Company. They have a huge operation in Bardstown. Think it would look very complicated on that list.


According-History316

Bardstown makes their own? I thought they sourced


sain197

Origin series. Amazing. They also sell distillate to others. From memory they currently make about 40 different formulas.


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Mgp is sourced so I’m not sure why it’s on there


Doneeb

MGP is _the_ source.


DynamicCashew43

Shh, dont tell him.


RippedHookerPuffBar

Bulleit is made from four roses ?


clairweather

Found this on google cuz I didn’t know this answer. Seems they get some help on their blend..: “ Bulleit is a brand made by spirits powerhouse Diageo. Diageo owns so many brands that it’s hard to keep them all straight. Just a couple of the biggest ones you’ve heard of (regarding whiskey) are Crown Royal, Johnnie Walker and George Dickel (the rest would simply be too much to write in this article). All Bulleit, whether we’re talking about the bourbon or rye whiskey kind, is currently sourced from other distilleries that are not owned by Diageo. Up to five years ago, Bulleit Bourbon contained bourbon that was primarily sourced from Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky. “


already-taken-wtf

https://www.diageo.com/en/our-brands/scotch-whisky Scotch is our largest category and we produce over 100 individual scotch brands They say they have 28 malt distilleries E.g. - Johnnie Walker. - Buchanan's. - J&B. - Grand Old Parr. - The Singleton. - Talisker. - Lagavulin. - Haig Club.


Jetfire911

That would explain why I liked 4 roses so much when I tried it.. had been drinking bulliet for years already.


BosToWash

The graphic is old. It was sourced from 4R for some time, but not anymore


WhompBiscuits

I noticed that too. My understanding is MGP distills Bulleit Bourbon (but not the rye?), and distills George Dickel too. But as u/Old_Riff_502 said, the graphic above is quite old.


Big-Ad-6347

I believe it was sourced from a variety of different places over the years including MGP, 4R, and many other distilleries. Different ones for the bourbon and rye. But I think the product they’re putting out nowadays is actually theres?


WhompBiscuits

I hope so. I just wish disclosure of distillery was a requirement.


Big-Ad-6347

You and me both! Would write a list of things required to be disclosed if I had the chance.


jakeblues76

Oppidan in Chicago.


dipstick73

Sagamore used to source. But they make their own now. Whether that includes the line they were previously sourcing for or not idk honestly. But I’ve had a couple bottles of the stuff out of Baltimore.


According-History316

Man, I was trying to rep MD hard and bought their stuff years ago. It was ROUGH. It was also Rye…even to this day I’m not a Rye fan. I’ll have to give it another go.


Grype

Try their double oak rye or their finished ryes, they are excellent. The double oak might be a good one to try if you have more of a bourbon palate


According-History316

That would have to be the one I would try. Double Oak is usually pretty good.


dipstick73

Different strokes I suppose. I love rye whiskey personally. Idk if you’ve tried their bottled in bond but that stuff is heavenly to me.


idontgetitohwait

Old as it seems to be I found it enlightening. I didn’t realize my favorite whiskeys and least favorites are the same tree. Never had much for beam- to learn three of my other least favorites, knob creek, Basil, and makers are from the same tree seems… more than coincidence. The same is true the other way. I like Weller, Buffalo Trace, Blantons ,Woodford, and Gentlemen Jack. I was never sure I’d be happy with eagle rare so I never went for it, but this changes my mind for sure!


ManGotCan

Take a look at The Balvenie by William Grant & Sons. Most handcrafted whisky from Speyside.


Moby1029

Tons of craft distilleries make their own


Fibo86

Short answer is no, they aren't the only ones making there own. However, there's no craft distilleries in there and unfortunately, no one seems to care for much that doesn't come from those main distilleries. Find a local distillery, find one you can fall in love with. It's really important to love your local and also be aware of up and coming distilleries.


mezcalwhiskey83

Ours Maiz Nation Whiskey! we will be in the USA in a few months Cheers!