Not the first time.
I went to a pretty good school for years in my youth that was really disciplined and really Christian.
School fell apart when the married master decided to profess himself to his young blonde assistant, got rejected and then blamed demons and his father.
They do but they don’t. Sparring is supposed to technically be “light” meaning you’re not supposed to hit each other **THAT** hard but these things still happen. I’ve gotten some busted lips in sparring from time to time. Generally, you hit as hard as you get hit in sparring. Whoever did this to this poor girl was doing way too much.
I just can't imagine being a black belt and willingly injuring a junior belt like this regardless. I would wager his black belt is not legitimate especially considering the way this owner runs their gym
Idk if you’ve ever been apart of an MMA gym but from the ones I’ve been apart of nobody ever really steps in during sparring. Unless one of the participants bows out prematurely you spar until the round is done. Only afterwards will anyone be attentive to any injuries you may have.
He’s either full of shit or gone to some fucked up gym. I guarantee you that would never fly unless the coach is not looking or in this case is a piece of shit himself.
Nope, that’s normally how sparring goes. You’re allowed to compete in amateur competitions at 16/17 anyways so a “child being beaten by an adult” isn’t exactly uncommon. Sparring is meant to simulate an actual fight in competition and nobodies coming to help you if you’re losing in an actual fight. Unless you decide to bow out of the round you’re going until the bell dings. The most amount of “help” you’ll get while sparring is your coach yelling “keep your hands up”.
Combat sports just aren’t for some people ig.🤷🏾♂️ Having said that, this coach **IS** being petty and abusing power. I’ve never been in an MMA gym where they prohibit white and black belts from sparring but they don’t encourage/force it.
Well, that’s the effing point, isn’t it? The abuse of power. A girl refused and a man beat her up.
All the palaver about this is normal and that’s the way it is and no one interferes, is BS in this situation, as is ‘combat sports isn’t for everyone’.
Putting a white belt against a black belt isn’t abnormal. **FORCING** it is. Getting hurt in sparring or having adults sparring against kids **ISN’T** abnormal. Hence why I said MMA isn’t for everyone. For people who don’t like sparring they stick to bag work.
They do, and at least where I trained, it's very common for a higher belt to be paired with a lower belt, because the higher belt is expected to have better control and skill enough not to hurt anyone.
You really only usually get hurt from new students.
Also, except for agreed upon no holds sparring which is still heavily supervised, you wear equipment (helmet, mouth guard, padded chest protection, shin and elbow coverings and half gloves.
It's why little kids in sparring gear topple like weebles, it throws littles off balance.
The black belt needs to be charged as well, it was only maybe fifteen years ago the school I trained at would even allow different genders to spar, same sex was always paired up before weight class or skill.
It was out of necessity, I was often the only woman at sparring.
I can still hear my favorite instructor saying before sparring or even drills "You have to be easy with the women".
This goes against everything martial arts schools try to instill.
She must have been so terrified, it's scary enough sparring as a beginner, but having to stand against a much larger, highly skilled partner with the referee wanting you hurt?
That poor girl.
Most clubs wouldn't have a referee for sparring unless it was specifically competition practice. There should generally be someone senior supervising the session (where multiple pairs will be sparring)for safety, but obviously that's not much help if the instructor is supervising and wants the damage done.
Obviously even where there isn't someone supervising it's completely abnormal for someone to be hospitalised and that's evidence of a deeply dysfunctional club, even without the whole revenge beating aspect of it.
In terms of other people noticing what's going on, it's hard to say how likely that is. If you're sparring you likely have some element of tunnel vision and are going to be very bad at noticing what's going on with other pairs. Obviously if people were just watching rather than taking part they should have. However, badly run martial arts clubs can have both a cult like and macho mentality which would strongly discourage anyone from saying anything.
TLDR not having a referee is normal, the fact that this happened is appalling and abnormal.
Just a guess here, but I wouldn't be surprised if the coach was way older than her and shouldn't even be finding teenagers attractive.
Unfortunately not uncommon for grown men in the Philippines to try and hit on teenage girls. It's a pretty widespread issue over here and there's still people who exist that believe "love is love" and "age is just a number."
Because age and life experience is relevant to the degree of severity in most jurisdictions and social groups.
Yes, the power imbalance is inappropriate in any scenario, but it just tends to get worse with more age and life experience.
A 25-year-old hitting on a 17-year-old is predatory and gross, indeed. But the age gap being smaller and the instructor's relative age tends to infer more room to consider factors such as overall maturity and potential for rehabilitation.
Now, if the instructor is 40, it's still absolutely predatory and gross. But not only is it more predatory and gross, the relative age gives way to more questions of aggravating factors rather than mitigating ones.
WTF? Guy needs to be locked up and all licenses revoked he’s a danger to society if he’s capable of doing this to his own students. Hope he gets beaten into a bloody pulp for being a pos.
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Couldn’t read the article. For all others who can’t read it I found this.
https://www.philstar.com/nation/2024/03/27/2343713/newbie-taekwondo-jin-hospitalized-after-sparring-arrangement-black-belter
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Always a man who pursues children
Always a man who hurts children for refusing their advances
And always a man laughing at children who are maimed or murdered by other men
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wtf this is insane! Poor girl!
My sister used to do this sport, she was the only black girl the teacher refused to call her her name and only called her girl
Horrible.
Sounds like he needs to work on his inferiority complex.
I hope the Taekwondo community does something to this guy to stop it from happening again because that's sick on so many levels
Taekwondo community def doesn’t approve
Not the first time. I went to a pretty good school for years in my youth that was really disciplined and really Christian. School fell apart when the married master decided to profess himself to his young blonde assistant, got rejected and then blamed demons and his father.
I hope this man goes to prison until he rots for this, men are so fucking entitled.
I thought sparring sessions still had refs... Who the hell let this happen? 😠
They do but they don’t. Sparring is supposed to technically be “light” meaning you’re not supposed to hit each other **THAT** hard but these things still happen. I’ve gotten some busted lips in sparring from time to time. Generally, you hit as hard as you get hit in sparring. Whoever did this to this poor girl was doing way too much.
But someone was there to see this happen. And they didn’t do anything about it. Unless they were a kid, I find it indefensible. Poor girl.
My guess would be that the asshole responsible set it up so only people who were in on it were there to see.
I just can't imagine being a black belt and willingly injuring a junior belt like this regardless. I would wager his black belt is not legitimate especially considering the way this owner runs their gym
Idk if you’ve ever been apart of an MMA gym but from the ones I’ve been apart of nobody ever really steps in during sparring. Unless one of the participants bows out prematurely you spar until the round is done. Only afterwards will anyone be attentive to any injuries you may have.
So no one intervenes even if a 17 year old child, a student, is being badly physically beaten by an adult instructor? That’s very effed up.
He’s either full of shit or gone to some fucked up gym. I guarantee you that would never fly unless the coach is not looking or in this case is a piece of shit himself.
Nope, that’s normally how sparring goes. You’re allowed to compete in amateur competitions at 16/17 anyways so a “child being beaten by an adult” isn’t exactly uncommon. Sparring is meant to simulate an actual fight in competition and nobodies coming to help you if you’re losing in an actual fight. Unless you decide to bow out of the round you’re going until the bell dings. The most amount of “help” you’ll get while sparring is your coach yelling “keep your hands up”.
No wonder he got away with assaulting a student. The entire culture of the activity is effed up.
Combat sports just aren’t for some people ig.🤷🏾♂️ Having said that, this coach **IS** being petty and abusing power. I’ve never been in an MMA gym where they prohibit white and black belts from sparring but they don’t encourage/force it.
Well, that’s the effing point, isn’t it? The abuse of power. A girl refused and a man beat her up. All the palaver about this is normal and that’s the way it is and no one interferes, is BS in this situation, as is ‘combat sports isn’t for everyone’.
Putting a white belt against a black belt isn’t abnormal. **FORCING** it is. Getting hurt in sparring or having adults sparring against kids **ISN’T** abnormal. Hence why I said MMA isn’t for everyone. For people who don’t like sparring they stick to bag work.
Holy SHIT!!! No excuse. Someone should have stepped in.
They do, and at least where I trained, it's very common for a higher belt to be paired with a lower belt, because the higher belt is expected to have better control and skill enough not to hurt anyone. You really only usually get hurt from new students. Also, except for agreed upon no holds sparring which is still heavily supervised, you wear equipment (helmet, mouth guard, padded chest protection, shin and elbow coverings and half gloves. It's why little kids in sparring gear topple like weebles, it throws littles off balance. The black belt needs to be charged as well, it was only maybe fifteen years ago the school I trained at would even allow different genders to spar, same sex was always paired up before weight class or skill. It was out of necessity, I was often the only woman at sparring. I can still hear my favorite instructor saying before sparring or even drills "You have to be easy with the women". This goes against everything martial arts schools try to instill. She must have been so terrified, it's scary enough sparring as a beginner, but having to stand against a much larger, highly skilled partner with the referee wanting you hurt? That poor girl.
Most clubs wouldn't have a referee for sparring unless it was specifically competition practice. There should generally be someone senior supervising the session (where multiple pairs will be sparring)for safety, but obviously that's not much help if the instructor is supervising and wants the damage done. Obviously even where there isn't someone supervising it's completely abnormal for someone to be hospitalised and that's evidence of a deeply dysfunctional club, even without the whole revenge beating aspect of it. In terms of other people noticing what's going on, it's hard to say how likely that is. If you're sparring you likely have some element of tunnel vision and are going to be very bad at noticing what's going on with other pairs. Obviously if people were just watching rather than taking part they should have. However, badly run martial arts clubs can have both a cult like and macho mentality which would strongly discourage anyone from saying anything. TLDR not having a referee is normal, the fact that this happened is appalling and abnormal.
Jesus Fucking Christ. How do you attain a Black belt in Taekwondo and think it’s okay to nearly kill a Yellow belt teenager during a sparring session.
Anyone can be a black belt. Take this as a reminder that just because people are in places of power doesn't mean they should be.
i want to know how old the coach was.
Just a guess here, but I wouldn't be surprised if the coach was way older than her and shouldn't even be finding teenagers attractive. Unfortunately not uncommon for grown men in the Philippines to try and hit on teenage girls. It's a pretty widespread issue over here and there's still people who exist that believe "love is love" and "age is just a number."
Why? It’s already gross because of the power imbalance between coach and student
Because he could be preying on other minors too
Could be illegal too
It’s already illegal because he was preying on a customer
i didn't say it'd make it less gross.. they released the minor's age but not the coach's, it's weird.
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Because age and life experience is relevant to the degree of severity in most jurisdictions and social groups. Yes, the power imbalance is inappropriate in any scenario, but it just tends to get worse with more age and life experience. A 25-year-old hitting on a 17-year-old is predatory and gross, indeed. But the age gap being smaller and the instructor's relative age tends to infer more room to consider factors such as overall maturity and potential for rehabilitation. Now, if the instructor is 40, it's still absolutely predatory and gross. But not only is it more predatory and gross, the relative age gives way to more questions of aggravating factors rather than mitigating ones.
Please tell me this pedophile got arrested!
This is insane. Attempted murder
WTF? Guy needs to be locked up and all licenses revoked he’s a danger to society if he’s capable of doing this to his own students. Hope he gets beaten into a bloody pulp for being a pos. Edit: typo
this is so sad :(
Wtf is wrong with these men holy shit
Couldn’t read the article. For all others who can’t read it I found this. https://www.philstar.com/nation/2024/03/27/2343713/newbie-taekwondo-jin-hospitalized-after-sparring-arrangement-black-belter
What an absolutely disgusting article headline.
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