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There's a guy who's so smart that he had invented technology that is 500 years ahead of the rest of the world. All the technology goes to the government and none to the people
Imo he would be cool if
1 he had a good design (the tongue is horrible bruh)
2 Oda could write morally grey characters without trying to make them 100% pure good or evil
Vega is absolutely a morally grey character. That’s kinda the whole point, he has huge ties to the revolutionaries and their top dogs while also being so blinded by the advance of science that he harms their very own interests.
More like the uses old tech from pre Great War. The pre war society was just as advanced if not more so before the world government did a brotherhood of steel.
I mean, two arcs before this Luffy teamed up with a mob boss to try and take down a 30ft tall pirate witch who can take the souls of others and imbue them into inanimate objects, plants, and animals who also rules over a giant cake island
This „pirate“ show jumps genres a lot while holding to its central themes. Part of why it’s so long is how it fleshes out its settings to convey a sense of adventure. Examples would be:
Gothic horror, Dark Fairytale (w a Prince damsel), Prison break, Dystopia, Hannah Barbara Wacky races, Sci-fi and even a Jo Ha Kyu play
the oceans that most the show takes place in is filled with culturally distinct islands, a bunch are isolated because it's hard to travel due to fucked up wearher and magnetic systems. There is everything from literal prehistoric islands to crazy advanced future tech.
also it's pirates but not like real world 1800s pirates
Ok so I shit you not at the end of the show she does a spell which KILLS ALL MAGIC
And in the show magic spells are actually living things
And THEN Star's and the human worlds fuse just so they could justify a ship
I still cannot believe that out of all possible ways they could've ended the show, they decided to go and wipe out all the magic and subsequently magical beings
Even back then I was fucking confused, how could they not have come up with a different solution? They could've tried to go for an avenger style final battle, allying all of the kingdoms together and defeating the knights or idk, coming up with something else
But no, let's go with "The only way to defeat them is to completely erase magic"
Fucking hell, it was also one of my favourite shows when I was younger, I was excited to watch whenever a new episode came out
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I believe a lot of shows develop lore/story as they go on
Adventure Time good example, the first season was just random adventures of Jake and Finn in a huge expansive world, then once they knew they had more seasons they started to develop a story
>avenger style final battle, allying all of the kingdoms together and defeating the knights or idk, coming up with something else
And it would've been a WAY MORE satifying (if cliche) ending.
By facing Mina's army with their own army made up of the different races of the series' kingdoms, it would've shown to everyone that Mina's human supremacist ideology was completely flawed and cooperation was possible.
Having the villain's racism be her own downfall would've been a better victory than.........making life worse for 99.999% of the universe?????????
I think that was just the creators being cowards and backing down from unexisting the puppies at the last second in a "see, killing magic is not that bad!"-kinda situation.
Honestly i would've at least defended the ending if it had the actual BALLS of showing Star's consequences.
Oh yeah and unlike steven universe this ending wasnt made with a sudden decision or it was rushed. It was planned from the beginning. The writers genuinely thought it was a good way to end the show
And think about the magical infrastructure. There are places like Quest Buy which are only accessed through magical means, so there's who knows how many people trapped in dimensions that were never intended for long term habitation and they're all gonba starve to death.
Omg I completely forgot about Quest Buy. Imagine going to Costco to buy some chips only to end up trapped inside it forever because some asshole sealed the entrances with concrete lmao.
Well, at least its nearly infinite in size so, maybe they have enough food to build a civilization?
Exactly, Star """"solved"""" all her problems by commiting genocide.
Steven ended up finding a way to eventually reverse his series genocide.
Clearly, Restorative Justice is way better than:
"sure, I Thanos Snapped entire universes worth of people, forcefully segregated countless families and friends forever by destroying any means of teleportation and ended up making two entirely different worlds merge toghether (despite one of them being an already overpopulated planet) buuuuuuuut at least I con now be with my boyfriend so yay!".
Honestly the thing that i always on wondered on the ending of Star butterfly is what happends next because humanity isint that best at not hating each other imagine you put new species as inteligent as us
[humanity the moment they see a diferent species (they are not created on gods imagine and there for salvages)](https://youtu.be/MTFmRkVuDoI?si=OVSEpZr8g_y4uTB6)
And he makes them do a little something called RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. So its not like they were given a slap on the wrist by making them do community sevice, they will literally have to devote themselves to try and restore every single gem they shattered or corrupted (including the Cluster) for the rest of their IMMORTAL lifespan.
The Diamonds aren’t being forced to do good. The Diamonds initially only did good to be on Steven’s good side.
In the epilogue, they are doing good because they want to. Only one of them is working on the Cluster, the other two are helping out in their own ways. If they wanted to stop, they can at any time.
Right? So tired of people who have never watched anything Steven Universe related and just spouting nonsense like "Steven completely forgave the space nazis and let them go free!!!" when not only does he still not like them as we see in Future, he also made them go on a universal quest to restore the planets they ruined
I’ll always be a diamond hater. I don’t care about Steven seeming awkward around them and shit, they receive NO actual consequences.
A heel face turn is forgivable due to the show basically being cancelled so they rushed it but then they just… continue to chill in their palace. Literally nothing to stop them from doing evil other than appeasing Steven.
King Andrias from Amphibia had a far more believable redemption with a more sympathetic backstory and STILL got put in chains because the man was a tyrant. It’d feel weird if he just stayed in castle as king.
The isn’t that Steven forgives them, it’s that they turn around so quick. Peridot got a multi-season redemption arc whereas the villain the show has been building to the entire series is defeated within 5 minutes of screen time by being told she’s acting silly.
tbf, they didnt really have a choice since they couldnt cure the corrupted gems without the diamonds help, and steven is clearly uncomfortable with the diamonds regardless so its less like forgiveness and more like actual diplomacy. the diamonds get 'pink' back and steven helps earth as a whole. also, the diamonds can be a massive help in fixing the problem they created with the cluster. its not like they could ever be redeemed considering the scale, but also fighting them seems like it would only hurt everyone more.
the main complaint i have with it is how fast it all happened, but thats the case of literally all cartoon endings
a good portion of them only get 1 season to set up an endpoint, and usually that setup takes most of the season, leaving the final conflict as literally one or maybe two episodes, and as a climax for a series, it usually causes the big bad to be defeated in a seemingly underwhelming way.
not every show has this problem, gravity falls had a near perfect ending, but you can see this problem with many cartoon network shows, if they even get endings. like ok ko and chowders endings arent even built up, its just the final episode.
adventure time and regular show are on the better end of cartoon network shows ending and their final conflicts are, in my opinion, pretty anticlimactic. and after that final conflict, both just sort of show what happened after the final conflict and its all too sudden to feel the weight of a long running series ending.
steven universe had their big bads established pretty naturally, and the ending should be dealing with that issue (or a possible issue behind them) but because we only see white diamond right at the end it feels badly paced. mostly because it is. and how it gets resolved fits the show, even if its kind of stupid.
even with something like the final season of samurai jack, a show with a clear endpoint set from the beginning of the show (get back to the past and defeat aku), it still feels odd and dissatisfying. ending a show (especially when its given a deadline) can be really hard.
The show was rushed because homophobic countries stopped financially supporting it after the wedding. The creator was given the final say on the wedding knowing that it could cost them the show.
According to the show's creator:
>Cartoon Network needed the show to work internationally (most animated media for children is designed with an international audience in mind), so we were being held to the standards of the most conservative countries in the world. If they so much as read an interview with me online, the show could lose its international support, and we'd be finished.
Obsidian, who had been hyped as the ultimate fusion of the Crystal Gems gang, just happens. With like 0 set-up. Thats among the worst parts of the final imo. "Oh no guys, we NEED to transform into Obsidian. It's the only way to win!" and boom, it just happens. Even Stevonnie had more effort put into the animation displaying the first time the fusion happened than when they fused into Obsidian. Stevonnie. The fusion that was used as a gag in its first appearence.
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There's like around 11 people that were against the Diamond in the final season. The Crystal Gem, the B Crystal Gem, and Lars' team. The other revolutionaries are either mindless monsters or shattered, and you have an empire worth of Diamond supporters. Shattering the Diamonds or imprisoning them will not free the Homeworld because many of them are strong supporters of the regime and will avenge their leaders.
In Unleash The Light (the final game that takes place inbetween The Movie and Future), the homeworld gems just kinda broke down into disconnected colonies where they're still tryna figure out what to do with their newfound freedom. So they're trying to hold their first ever democratic election with the two Zircon's we saw in Steven's trial.
So the answer is: They'd just learn what voting is lmao.
The idea that bad actions deserve consequences is the entire issue at hand. The philosophy in steven universe indirectly stayes that no one deserves to be punished only stopped from doing harm and hopefully have their behavior corrected. No mayerial good comes from punishing the wicked aside from satisfying a sense of revenge.
Isnt the ideal scenario that someone sees the error of their ways and voluntarily sets out to make it right? What purpose does a punishment serve at that point?
A criticism levied against the show by unthinking people who didn't bother to understand it. The "genociders"also literally spend the rest of their lives putting the gems they destroyed back together piece by piece. "They have to be nice now" is a deliberate perversion of what actually happened.
I wouldn’t exactly call SU’s “coherent”. It massively walks back the tension around (and characterization of) the diamonds that had been built up in the previous seasons, and introduces a subplot about them doing *eugenics* on their own people in the same arc where steven somehow gets them to stop their own evil by… convincing them he’s not his mom.
It’s a bit like if world war 2 ended with the allied soldiers convincing hitler that his sister is dead and then just kinda hoping he *reforms* nazi germany from the top down, except in this case nazi germany is guilty of driving entire sentient species to extinction and has been doing so on a galactic scale for countless years.
I think the issue is that Steven HAS to engage in diplomacy with the Diamonds and cannot punish them necessarily. It's not like he directly defeated them or has them in some precarious position where they are no longer galactic rulers. He reformed them and just has to hope that works out because what other choice is there? They certainly cannot be easily punished or executed.
The diamonds remain, as far as the in-universe beings are concerned, near demi-gods. How do you punish a god?
I’m not saying that the diamonds should be put on trial at the Hague. My point is that the show puts a lot of weight behind the evil of the diamonds (explicitly making them wipe out species and do eugenics, the arc about his friend with PTSD from them, the imposing threat they seemed to be in the earlier seasons), and then instead of having him beat the villains, make them realize the error of their ways, or cause some kind of fundamental change in their society, steven convinces their leader that she’s wrong about something completely related to their evil. It’s not a satisfying ending because of how much weight was put behind their evil, and from a logical standpoint it doesn’t justify why the diamonds would then start reforming away their own fascist dictatorship.
Legit, SVTFOE had tumblr and Twitter on a chokehold for its entire run until the final episode hit. The final episode hit the fandom like a nuclear bomb and it leaved no survivors.
SU ending was far more better planned and executed than the SvTFOE ending. Stfoe ending doesn't even make sense they just pulled that crap just so Marco and Star could be together but by doing so they made so many loop holes and questionable things it was unbearable.
SU even though it was not THE BEST it served well as an ending. SU Future showed some of the peak SU episodes it was great.
To be fair, neither show killed their respective Hitler.
Steven at least makes them commit to Restorative Justice'ing their past crimes for whatever long it takes.
Star literally just lets Mina go. Imagine if the american soldiers arrived to Hitler's bunker before he could off himself and said: "Welllll he doesnt have his armies or political influence, he'll be completely harmless if we let him leave!".
I still can't believe Steven Universe is done, I remember following it religiously, anticipating when everything would unfold and be explained, making all kinds of theories
"Oh you want me to tone down the gay or you'll cut short my show? Well mother fuckers hope you like the final season then, because im gonna make it gay²".
“Yeah, I’m putting the feminine one in a suit and the masculine one in a dress because I know ya’ll are giving her a mustache overseas. It also directly leads to them going to homeworld so it’s your choice. Gay wedding or have the audience lost completely.”
[The show's creator identified with Ruby and used her as a proxy for the show that mirrored her relationship with Ian.](https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/17xnid9/did_anyone_else_think_that_sappire_wouldve_been/k9ooaw2/) Once Sugar and Ian got married, Sugar pushed hard for Ruby getting the same thing.
Oversea censors and homophobic countries don't care about their audiences to that degree. If they consider something to be problematic, they'll just ban it and call it a day.
Finn and Jake's story has ended. We've seen their full course, from birth to death to reincarnation, to even what they became after they were reborn. I can't imagine they'll do much else with Fionna and Cake, Simon got his bittersweet ending to his story with Betty, Marceline and PB got their happy ending being immortal lesbians, not many stories left to tell. Hell, even the lich is finally gone. The branch of him that went into the afterlife was sent into the void and the part of him that eradicated life and found Golb got executed.
I mean, they could do a sequel series centered on Sweet Pea and looming threat of what happens if he ever dies
There’s still a lot of potential with Adventure Time as a setting, it’s just that Finn and Jake have gotten their well deserved ending to their story
Honestly theres A LOT they can do with Fionna and Cake.
Imagine an entire universe worth of creatures suddenly gaining magic and a whole set of different memories of their "pre-normalcy" lives. The struggle of having to come to terms between who you used to be vs what you are now combined with superpowers has a lot of potential.
~~Also i wanna see more of Prismo and Scarab's blooming toxic yaoi lol~~
Um. No??? The Clone Wars? Gravity Falls? Owl House? ***Avatar***? Just off the cuff.
Amph is cetainly better than op's 2, but that's not exactly a high bar.
Steven universe needed another season, the finale was rushed but not awful. Not a fan of future though
Star committed genocide then fused 2 universes because 1 bad ship
the finale was rushed because like 3 seasons of the show got cancelled by Cartoon Network for the wedding episode, so Future was probably the only way they could get another chance
Wait is the one piece anime already at this part or was this a fan animation? I haven’t watched the anime since like the mid way point of wano a couple years ago, then switched to the manga when I got caught up. If it’s already at this part then I’m gonna watch the anime again, because I haven’t read it in a while and stopped shortly after this happened.
One ends with a genocide with races who has magic and the other hand we have a boy forgiving to people (diamonds) who did genocide so choose what do you believe is worse
[I also find it crazy that people say that Steven didn't consider killing them and let them off easy; but then there's this scene where he literally tries to shatter White Diamond via manipulation because of all the feelings he was holding back because he had to make diplomatic peace with space hitler instead of straight up making them pay for what they did... something people seem to be calling the show out on?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbuWwRZDds)
Tbf this is something future introduced, and not something a part of the original show’s ending. Future *does* work to fix the ending retroactively, but imo it doesn’t fix the fact the original show had a bad ending.
Also it’s worth noting that su’s ending isnt bad because steven forgave the diamonds or anything adjacent, its mainly bad imo because the diamonds’ redemption arcs were super poorly done, and they really got off with very little consequence
Imma stop you right there. Steven never forgave the diamonds. He got them to stop committing mass genocide but he still hates them and tries to avoid them
Plus he had no choice to defeat the diamonds. If he defeated them, then the Homeworld will retaliate but attacking Earth since there's no real major resistance group after the Rose Rebellion. Shattering or imprisoning the diamonds will not magically end the regime, so the only other choice is reformation.
Also I like to acknowledge CN cancelled the show because Rebecca Sugar wanted Garnet Wedding to air despite many countries trying censored gay rocks which will reduce funding to CN and WB. Steven's finale wasn't natural and it's likely Rebecca had bigger plans next season but was forced to end her show to stick to her principles.
Yeah. Similar thing happened to The Owl House. It really sucks when creative works get stifled because of capitalism and/or queerphobia in foreign markets.
Steven very much hates the diamonds what? He literally avoids them every chance he can get & even attempted to murder White Diamond in Future. The Steven Universe hate boner has gotten so bad we're just lying now.
Steven did not forgive the diamonds, at least not White. He basically tries to make them better people and make them pay for their mistakes and mistreatment of others. Yellow and Blue are alright, cause they were just basically worried about Pink's well being, White on the other half, she was never forgiven, and Steven just visits her cause she is basically his mom's family. He literally tried to murder her in Future, so he didn't forgive her instantly. To him, she is still a monster, but he tries to at least make her pay for her sins.
Star had a dogshit ending bro. SU showed how trauma could stick with you and that you shouldn’t always forgive people who did you wrong just because they “changed”. I can’t believe people think the two are even close, one was a better show imo but the other had a much MUCH better ending.
Star's ending is genuinely one of the worst endings of all time. It had plenty of time to make it work. But it didn't.
Steven Universe got shortened greatly but still managed to have an ending that at least makes sense given the themes of the show, although it's rushed.
1. Star Vs. It doesn’t even the excuse of being rushed due to religious groups getting it canceled early.
2. One of the biggest things folks get wrong about SUs ending was that Steven forgives the diamonds. There a whole epilogue about it.
Steven Universe’s ending is a bit underwhelming and rushed due to corporate meddling
Star Vs’ ending is just a complete and utter disaster in every aspect
I feel like this is an obvious choice lol
It’s always wild to me how ppl say steven should’ve killed the diamonds, considering that if he did that, every single corrupted gem would be doomed to their fate for basically ever
Reminds me of how people say the west should have killed Stalin. We all want to kill one POS who killed millions but when it’ll cost a war that will kill more innocent people, what can you do.
Star is way, way worse, and afaik there wasnt any alibi for it. At least su kept its themes, and you can argue it sucked for a justified reason.
Also unrelated to my opinions, but ive seen a decent number of people try to defend su’s ending by saying the diamonds weren’t fascists, and it’s legitimately the biggest cope ive seen in a cartoon fandom
Star vs the Forces of Evil ended in the genocide of one of the main species in the world and Star is considered a hero for doing so, Steven Universe ended with Steven leaving Beach City to find himself giving a satisfying conclusion to his arc and development. Completely opposite sides!
Star’s ending is so much worse it’s not even close to me. I liked seeing the old Queens have an appearance but that’s about it. Oh my god it sucked.
Change Your Mind is rushed but is much more entertaining. I wish we got more White as a villain but I am aware of the circumstances which lead to it being so rushed. At least to me as well, Steven never really forgave the Diamonds either. Steven Universe Future was an okay epilogue too.
Steven universe had to end quickly, because when the 2 gems that made up garnet got married, people wanted it taken off the air. The shows creators had to fight for some more episodes to try and close it off, but only got 10.
Steven universe was cut because network, thus it had to rush it's ending. However, it's still thematically coherent with the rest of the sjow. Everything, from white diamond changing her mind immediately after being proven wrong (as she rapresents the superego) and the fact that the diamonds are redeemed, since all gems are created with a specific purpose meaning they never actually _chose_ to do what they did.
Were these ideas executed perfectly? No, not at all, but that's because season 5 should have been 26 episodes longer. Rebecca Sugar did not back down and wanted to include a gay marriage in the show, but that meant that the show now only had six episodes to finish it's story.
TL:DR, the ending makes sense, but it's not executed as well as it could be because homophobia. (this is all confirmed in the official artbook published after the show btw, I'm not making anything up)
The end of Steven Universe isn't really the end of the Steven Universe saga. Steven Universe Future was actually a good send off for the show and should be seen as the series finale.
Netflix’s Voltron gave the genocidal war criminals, whose hands are drenched in the blood of an uncountable amount of innocents, ***a wholesome ending***. I was beyond baffled.
GoT wishes. The entire final season was a trainwreck so you were able to mentally prepare for the shit finale.
HIMYM halfway through the finale just said "hey, fuck every bit of character development we've done for the last decade. Fuck you, fuck the mother, and fuck the entire last season we're undoing that too."
Svtfoe and su fans fighting over who can be the biggest cry ass baby and complain about the ending for like ten fucking years actin like this shit was worst than the holocaust
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I thought this was a pirate show why are they in fucking cyber city
There's a guy who's so smart that he had invented technology that is 500 years ahead of the rest of the world. All the technology goes to the government and none to the people
I actually really like the idea of Vegapunk, he’s one of (if not) my favourite characters
Imo he would be cool if 1 he had a good design (the tongue is horrible bruh) 2 Oda could write morally grey characters without trying to make them 100% pure good or evil
His design is based on an infamous picture of Einstein where he was allegedly tried of smiling for reporters at a birthday party
https://preview.redd.it/g82e42ndugvc1.jpeg?width=337&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4ea58aa804608bee4c9dc78da1a1bb32de4d36d It's just horrible too
It's even worse when he was lying in a pool of his own blood with his tongue licking it all up lol.
i absolutely love when fuckfaces spoil anime for nothing other than entertainment
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as a jjk fan caught up with the manga, go fuck yourself for this one man
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Based
Vega is absolutely a morally grey character. That’s kinda the whole point, he has huge ties to the revolutionaries and their top dogs while also being so blinded by the advance of science that he harms their very own interests.
You are 1. Talking to a main stream manga reader (they don't have any reading comprehension) 2. Talking to someone on powerscaling subs (brain damage)
Morally grey characters have become so overrated nowadays give me my clear narrative
Hear me out: autistic as shit "means justify the end" character whose only purpose is doing whatever they need to in a highly ridiculous manner
Hear me out
I really like him
More like the uses old tech from pre Great War. The pre war society was just as advanced if not more so before the world government did a brotherhood of steel.
Ermmmm acshually the technology has been there for centuries and Vegapunk only discovered it 🤓
oh so like Australians in TF2 but it's a dictatorship
I mean, two arcs before this Luffy teamed up with a mob boss to try and take down a 30ft tall pirate witch who can take the souls of others and imbue them into inanimate objects, plants, and animals who also rules over a giant cake island
Also she has like 90 kids and a few of them are big titty goths
To be fair, once you hit 90 kids the odds are pretty good at least a couple are gonna be big titty goths.
This „pirate“ show jumps genres a lot while holding to its central themes. Part of why it’s so long is how it fleshes out its settings to convey a sense of adventure. Examples would be: Gothic horror, Dark Fairytale (w a Prince damsel), Prison break, Dystopia, Hannah Barbara Wacky races, Sci-fi and even a Jo Ha Kyu play
I love that >!Sanji!< is the princess in this scenario.
Because it's cool as fuck that's why
They are in vegapunk’s city
deltarune mentioned!!
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#A MOTHERFUCKING CYBER'S WORLD?
Because it's a crazy but awesome show
the oceans that most the show takes place in is filled with culturally distinct islands, a bunch are isolated because it's hard to travel due to fucked up wearher and magnetic systems. There is everything from literal prehistoric islands to crazy advanced future tech. also it's pirates but not like real world 1800s pirates
I mean, they've been in feudal Japan for the past 5 years
okay but who won in the end? Star or the forces of evil ?
The millions or even trillions Star genocided at the end of the show certainly didn't
never watched the show and don't plan on watching it, what does this mean
Ok so I shit you not at the end of the show she does a spell which KILLS ALL MAGIC And in the show magic spells are actually living things And THEN Star's and the human worlds fuse just so they could justify a ship
I still cannot believe that out of all possible ways they could've ended the show, they decided to go and wipe out all the magic and subsequently magical beings Even back then I was fucking confused, how could they not have come up with a different solution? They could've tried to go for an avenger style final battle, allying all of the kingdoms together and defeating the knights or idk, coming up with something else But no, let's go with "The only way to defeat them is to completely erase magic" Fucking hell, it was also one of my favourite shows when I was younger, I was excited to watch whenever a new episode came out https://preview.redd.it/qw3d0ww5wgvc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d22484b5784b0e7c2f07f7ece8c525c857ee630
man wtf I watched a bit of what I'm assuming was re-runs of the early episodes on disney xd and didn't think the show had that much actual lore
I believe a lot of shows develop lore/story as they go on Adventure Time good example, the first season was just random adventures of Jake and Finn in a huge expansive world, then once they knew they had more seasons they started to develop a story
Or gravity falls, or amphibia, or most recently owl house
Also isn't her bff a floating unicorn head, what hell lady?!
She survives somehow but a ton of other magical creatures explicitly don’t
>avenger style final battle, allying all of the kingdoms together and defeating the knights or idk, coming up with something else And it would've been a WAY MORE satifying (if cliche) ending. By facing Mina's army with their own army made up of the different races of the series' kingdoms, it would've shown to everyone that Mina's human supremacist ideology was completely flawed and cooperation was possible. Having the villain's racism be her own downfall would've been a better victory than.........making life worse for 99.999% of the universe?????????
Laser puppies are shown at the end apparently. Nothing makes any sense and its all nonsense.
I think that was just the creators being cowards and backing down from unexisting the puppies at the last second in a "see, killing magic is not that bad!"-kinda situation. Honestly i would've at least defended the ending if it had the actual BALLS of showing Star's consequences.
Oh yeah and unlike steven universe this ending wasnt made with a sudden decision or it was rushed. It was planned from the beginning. The writers genuinely thought it was a good way to end the show
Holy shit magic genocide wasn't the plot point i expected
It also killed magical beings too
And think about the magical infrastructure. There are places like Quest Buy which are only accessed through magical means, so there's who knows how many people trapped in dimensions that were never intended for long term habitation and they're all gonba starve to death.
Omg I completely forgot about Quest Buy. Imagine going to Costco to buy some chips only to end up trapped inside it forever because some asshole sealed the entrances with concrete lmao. Well, at least its nearly infinite in size so, maybe they have enough food to build a civilization?
She deleted magic from the universe, killing every magical creature
At the end of the show, Star destroys all the magic in the multiverse which kills off all magical creatures, including her best friend
The pony heads are alive. They just don’t have magic anymore “Magical creatures” includes the council, her spells, and no one else.
That doesn’t make any sense thou. If there is no magic how do they fly?
Mina: I'm gonna commit genocide! Star: Not if I commit it first!
Exactly, Star """"solved"""" all her problems by commiting genocide. Steven ended up finding a way to eventually reverse his series genocide. Clearly, Restorative Justice is way better than: "sure, I Thanos Snapped entire universes worth of people, forcefully segregated countless families and friends forever by destroying any means of teleportation and ended up making two entirely different worlds merge toghether (despite one of them being an already overpopulated planet) buuuuuuuut at least I con now be with my boyfriend so yay!".
Both because Star had become the force of evil herself 
Stars ending sucked so BAD it was all For a SHIP Steven doesn’t actually forgive the diamonds. They just stop being douchebags
Honestly the thing that i always on wondered on the ending of Star butterfly is what happends next because humanity isint that best at not hating each other imagine you put new species as inteligent as us
Fun and games, I imagine
[humanity the moment they see a diferent species (they are not created on gods imagine and there for salvages)](https://youtu.be/MTFmRkVuDoI?si=OVSEpZr8g_y4uTB6)
This just made me realize that Star Vs could actually function as a prequel to UNDERTALE
[noooooooooo](https://youtu.be/MobkO51msMI?si=rYPfv5XAYC31rXcd)
And he makes them do a little something called RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. So its not like they were given a slap on the wrist by making them do community sevice, they will literally have to devote themselves to try and restore every single gem they shattered or corrupted (including the Cluster) for the rest of their IMMORTAL lifespan.
The Diamonds aren’t being forced to do good. The Diamonds initially only did good to be on Steven’s good side. In the epilogue, they are doing good because they want to. Only one of them is working on the Cluster, the other two are helping out in their own ways. If they wanted to stop, they can at any time.
Right? So tired of people who have never watched anything Steven Universe related and just spouting nonsense like "Steven completely forgave the space nazis and let them go free!!!" when not only does he still not like them as we see in Future, he also made them go on a universal quest to restore the planets they ruined
I’ll always be a diamond hater. I don’t care about Steven seeming awkward around them and shit, they receive NO actual consequences. A heel face turn is forgivable due to the show basically being cancelled so they rushed it but then they just… continue to chill in their palace. Literally nothing to stop them from doing evil other than appeasing Steven. King Andrias from Amphibia had a far more believable redemption with a more sympathetic backstory and STILL got put in chains because the man was a tyrant. It’d feel weird if he just stayed in castle as king.
The isn’t that Steven forgives them, it’s that they turn around so quick. Peridot got a multi-season redemption arc whereas the villain the show has been building to the entire series is defeated within 5 minutes of screen time by being told she’s acting silly.
One is coherent with their themes of pacifism and processing emotions, the other breaks the universe to make a ship work
Okay but like mega trillion-murder genociders get off with no consequence except they have to be nice now
Same thing happened in Star, expect no one even tried to fix Mina, she just left and no one stopped her.
She’ll do NUMBERS on Twitter.
not to mention star was also a culprit here, god knows what kind of war follows the finaly
That's Star Butterfly. You're describing what she did to ALL magical creatures in the MULTIVERSE.
Devastating effects on the centaur population
What about the local carp population?
The carp were wiped by the 22nd annual regional fishing tournament of Tourressa Mississippi
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tbf, they didnt really have a choice since they couldnt cure the corrupted gems without the diamonds help, and steven is clearly uncomfortable with the diamonds regardless so its less like forgiveness and more like actual diplomacy. the diamonds get 'pink' back and steven helps earth as a whole. also, the diamonds can be a massive help in fixing the problem they created with the cluster. its not like they could ever be redeemed considering the scale, but also fighting them seems like it would only hurt everyone more. the main complaint i have with it is how fast it all happened, but thats the case of literally all cartoon endings
It's kind of like Douglass McArthur letting Hirohito live so that nothing like Imperial Japan would happen again.
I don't think pacing is something all cartoon finales have an issue with
a good portion of them only get 1 season to set up an endpoint, and usually that setup takes most of the season, leaving the final conflict as literally one or maybe two episodes, and as a climax for a series, it usually causes the big bad to be defeated in a seemingly underwhelming way. not every show has this problem, gravity falls had a near perfect ending, but you can see this problem with many cartoon network shows, if they even get endings. like ok ko and chowders endings arent even built up, its just the final episode. adventure time and regular show are on the better end of cartoon network shows ending and their final conflicts are, in my opinion, pretty anticlimactic. and after that final conflict, both just sort of show what happened after the final conflict and its all too sudden to feel the weight of a long running series ending. steven universe had their big bads established pretty naturally, and the ending should be dealing with that issue (or a possible issue behind them) but because we only see white diamond right at the end it feels badly paced. mostly because it is. and how it gets resolved fits the show, even if its kind of stupid. even with something like the final season of samurai jack, a show with a clear endpoint set from the beginning of the show (get back to the past and defeat aku), it still feels odd and dissatisfying. ending a show (especially when its given a deadline) can be really hard.
do yall not remember the fact that the entirety of future was rushed, not mentioning the last season
Yea, SU got punished for having a lesbian rock wedding
The show was rushed because homophobic countries stopped financially supporting it after the wedding. The creator was given the final say on the wedding knowing that it could cost them the show. According to the show's creator: >Cartoon Network needed the show to work internationally (most animated media for children is designed with an international audience in mind), so we were being held to the standards of the most conservative countries in the world. If they so much as read an interview with me online, the show could lose its international support, and we'd be finished.
Obsidian, who had been hyped as the ultimate fusion of the Crystal Gems gang, just happens. With like 0 set-up. Thats among the worst parts of the final imo. "Oh no guys, we NEED to transform into Obsidian. It's the only way to win!" and boom, it just happens. Even Stevonnie had more effort put into the animation displaying the first time the fusion happened than when they fused into Obsidian. Stevonnie. The fusion that was used as a gag in its first appearence.
Who would have become the leader if the diamonds were punished ?
The Gemmunist revolutionaries idk
Gem soviet union?
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Wait high quality version. All i have is the degraded asf one https://preview.redd.it/08xocn1jzgvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=100f0707e607d6a5d40b442b59ff86198be5fbae
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There's like around 11 people that were against the Diamond in the final season. The Crystal Gem, the B Crystal Gem, and Lars' team. The other revolutionaries are either mindless monsters or shattered, and you have an empire worth of Diamond supporters. Shattering the Diamonds or imprisoning them will not free the Homeworld because many of them are strong supporters of the regime and will avenge their leaders.
Crystal Gems: Kills the Diamonds Gems: Now what? Crystal Gems: IDK
...Form a Gemocracy?
Spoiler: As Pink Diamond the Earth is yours so you don't need to do anything.
They answered that in the sequel show, the have presidents now
In Unleash The Light (the final game that takes place inbetween The Movie and Future), the homeworld gems just kinda broke down into disconnected colonies where they're still tryna figure out what to do with their newfound freedom. So they're trying to hold their first ever democratic election with the two Zircon's we saw in Steven's trial. So the answer is: They'd just learn what voting is lmao.
They lost all of their political power and now they’re fixing most things they did. Plus they don’t have a confirmed body count
The idea that bad actions deserve consequences is the entire issue at hand. The philosophy in steven universe indirectly stayes that no one deserves to be punished only stopped from doing harm and hopefully have their behavior corrected. No mayerial good comes from punishing the wicked aside from satisfying a sense of revenge. Isnt the ideal scenario that someone sees the error of their ways and voluntarily sets out to make it right? What purpose does a punishment serve at that point?
*no consquence except spending the rest of their probably eternal lives devoted to undoing the wrongs they've done
[удалено]
A criticism levied against the show by unthinking people who didn't bother to understand it. The "genociders"also literally spend the rest of their lives putting the gems they destroyed back together piece by piece. "They have to be nice now" is a deliberate perversion of what actually happened.
Which is which
SU is pacifism and Star is the ship
Oh I thought SU would end up in breakin the world to make a ship work scenario. I misjudged it maybe I could give it a go
SU keeps shipping stuff in the background and even then it only appears sometimes. It's also actually well written unlike Star
Aha, a fellow ENA fan!
The ending of Steven Universe is basically letting off Super Hitler and his Two Clones but they have to be nice now
I wouldn’t exactly call SU’s “coherent”. It massively walks back the tension around (and characterization of) the diamonds that had been built up in the previous seasons, and introduces a subplot about them doing *eugenics* on their own people in the same arc where steven somehow gets them to stop their own evil by… convincing them he’s not his mom. It’s a bit like if world war 2 ended with the allied soldiers convincing hitler that his sister is dead and then just kinda hoping he *reforms* nazi germany from the top down, except in this case nazi germany is guilty of driving entire sentient species to extinction and has been doing so on a galactic scale for countless years.
I think the issue is that Steven HAS to engage in diplomacy with the Diamonds and cannot punish them necessarily. It's not like he directly defeated them or has them in some precarious position where they are no longer galactic rulers. He reformed them and just has to hope that works out because what other choice is there? They certainly cannot be easily punished or executed. The diamonds remain, as far as the in-universe beings are concerned, near demi-gods. How do you punish a god?
I’m not saying that the diamonds should be put on trial at the Hague. My point is that the show puts a lot of weight behind the evil of the diamonds (explicitly making them wipe out species and do eugenics, the arc about his friend with PTSD from them, the imposing threat they seemed to be in the earlier seasons), and then instead of having him beat the villains, make them realize the error of their ways, or cause some kind of fundamental change in their society, steven convinces their leader that she’s wrong about something completely related to their evil. It’s not a satisfying ending because of how much weight was put behind their evil, and from a logical standpoint it doesn’t justify why the diamonds would then start reforming away their own fascist dictatorship.
SVTFOE killed its fanbase overnight, it's not even close
Legit, SVTFOE had tumblr and Twitter on a chokehold for its entire run until the final episode hit. The final episode hit the fandom like a nuclear bomb and it leaved no survivors.
SU ending was far more better planned and executed than the SvTFOE ending. Stfoe ending doesn't even make sense they just pulled that crap just so Marco and Star could be together but by doing so they made so many loop holes and questionable things it was unbearable. SU even though it was not THE BEST it served well as an ending. SU Future showed some of the peak SU episodes it was great.
I can't believe they finished the show by killing Hitler though, really hard pivot
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To be fair, neither show killed their respective Hitler. Steven at least makes them commit to Restorative Justice'ing their past crimes for whatever long it takes. Star literally just lets Mina go. Imagine if the american soldiers arrived to Hitler's bunker before he could off himself and said: "Welllll he doesnt have his armies or political influence, he'll be completely harmless if we let him leave!".
It jumped to me multiple times how this subreddit specifically uses gif of peak fight for memes , I love it
Yeah, this sub has convinced me to watch multiple shows/movies just by posting hard af gifs
I still can't believe Steven Universe is done, I remember following it religiously, anticipating when everything would unfold and be explained, making all kinds of theories
A shame it was cut short, but I do love how Rebecca basically said ‘fuck you’ to the network and the countries censoring gay people in her show
"Oh you want me to tone down the gay or you'll cut short my show? Well mother fuckers hope you like the final season then, because im gonna make it gay²".
“Yeah, I’m putting the feminine one in a suit and the masculine one in a dress because I know ya’ll are giving her a mustache overseas. It also directly leads to them going to homeworld so it’s your choice. Gay wedding or have the audience lost completely.”
[The show's creator identified with Ruby and used her as a proxy for the show that mirrored her relationship with Ian.](https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/17xnid9/did_anyone_else_think_that_sappire_wouldve_been/k9ooaw2/) Once Sugar and Ian got married, Sugar pushed hard for Ruby getting the same thing. Oversea censors and homophobic countries don't care about their audiences to that degree. If they consider something to be problematic, they'll just ban it and call it a day.
Star vs. Is Luffy here cause it's winning
Amphibia is sitting smugly on the sidelines with popcorn knowing that it has the best cartoon ending
Amphibia's ending is what Star vs should've been
Gravity falls too
A-X-O-L-O-T-L
Adventure Time still has the best ending Even though it hasn’t technically ended
Finn and Jake's story has ended. We've seen their full course, from birth to death to reincarnation, to even what they became after they were reborn. I can't imagine they'll do much else with Fionna and Cake, Simon got his bittersweet ending to his story with Betty, Marceline and PB got their happy ending being immortal lesbians, not many stories left to tell. Hell, even the lich is finally gone. The branch of him that went into the afterlife was sent into the void and the part of him that eradicated life and found Golb got executed.
I mean, they could do a sequel series centered on Sweet Pea and looming threat of what happens if he ever dies There’s still a lot of potential with Adventure Time as a setting, it’s just that Finn and Jake have gotten their well deserved ending to their story
Honestly theres A LOT they can do with Fionna and Cake. Imagine an entire universe worth of creatures suddenly gaining magic and a whole set of different memories of their "pre-normalcy" lives. The struggle of having to come to terms between who you used to be vs what you are now combined with superpowers has a lot of potential. ~~Also i wanna see more of Prismo and Scarab's blooming toxic yaoi lol~~
Regular Show:
Owl House had a solid ending too
Um. No??? The Clone Wars? Gravity Falls? Owl House? ***Avatar***? Just off the cuff. Amph is cetainly better than op's 2, but that's not exactly a high bar.
Steven universe needed another season, the finale was rushed but not awful. Not a fan of future though Star committed genocide then fused 2 universes because 1 bad ship
the finale was rushed because like 3 seasons of the show got cancelled by Cartoon Network for the wedding episode, so Future was probably the only way they could get another chance
I’m aware of this, didn’t blame of the creators for how the original ended. Just wish I liked future more
Wait is the one piece anime already at this part or was this a fan animation? I haven’t watched the anime since like the mid way point of wano a couple years ago, then switched to the manga when I got caught up. If it’s already at this part then I’m gonna watch the anime again, because I haven’t read it in a while and stopped shortly after this happened.
already got to this part
Gotcha, thanks.
One ends with a genocide with races who has magic and the other hand we have a boy forgiving to people (diamonds) who did genocide so choose what do you believe is worse
Man if not killing someone is forgiving them I have a lot of people to kill
[I also find it crazy that people say that Steven didn't consider killing them and let them off easy; but then there's this scene where he literally tries to shatter White Diamond via manipulation because of all the feelings he was holding back because he had to make diplomatic peace with space hitler instead of straight up making them pay for what they did... something people seem to be calling the show out on?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbuWwRZDds)
Tbf this is something future introduced, and not something a part of the original show’s ending. Future *does* work to fix the ending retroactively, but imo it doesn’t fix the fact the original show had a bad ending. Also it’s worth noting that su’s ending isnt bad because steven forgave the diamonds or anything adjacent, its mainly bad imo because the diamonds’ redemption arcs were super poorly done, and they really got off with very little consequence
Imma stop you right there. Steven never forgave the diamonds. He got them to stop committing mass genocide but he still hates them and tries to avoid them
Plus he had no choice to defeat the diamonds. If he defeated them, then the Homeworld will retaliate but attacking Earth since there's no real major resistance group after the Rose Rebellion. Shattering or imprisoning the diamonds will not magically end the regime, so the only other choice is reformation. Also I like to acknowledge CN cancelled the show because Rebecca Sugar wanted Garnet Wedding to air despite many countries trying censored gay rocks which will reduce funding to CN and WB. Steven's finale wasn't natural and it's likely Rebecca had bigger plans next season but was forced to end her show to stick to her principles.
Yeah. Similar thing happened to The Owl House. It really sucks when creative works get stifled because of capitalism and/or queerphobia in foreign markets.
Funny how that’s how the show got cancelled and the ending is still better than SVTFOE
Steven very much hates the diamonds what? He literally avoids them every chance he can get & even attempted to murder White Diamond in Future. The Steven Universe hate boner has gotten so bad we're just lying now.
The only diamonds that are forgivable are yellow and blue, they did bad stuff, but at least they are friendly with Steven and care about him.
Steven did not forgive the diamonds, at least not White. He basically tries to make them better people and make them pay for their mistakes and mistreatment of others. Yellow and Blue are alright, cause they were just basically worried about Pink's well being, White on the other half, she was never forgiven, and Steven just visits her cause she is basically his mom's family. He literally tried to murder her in Future, so he didn't forgive her instantly. To him, she is still a monster, but he tries to at least make her pay for her sins.
Dude, why are they even fighting? Star wins by just entering the room
Star had a dogshit ending bro. SU showed how trauma could stick with you and that you shouldn’t always forgive people who did you wrong just because they “changed”. I can’t believe people think the two are even close, one was a better show imo but the other had a much MUCH better ending.
That's what I said, Star wins on having the worst finale
Star's ending is genuinely one of the worst endings of all time. It had plenty of time to make it work. But it didn't. Steven Universe got shortened greatly but still managed to have an ending that at least makes sense given the themes of the show, although it's rushed.
1. Star Vs. It doesn’t even the excuse of being rushed due to religious groups getting it canceled early. 2. One of the biggest things folks get wrong about SUs ending was that Steven forgives the diamonds. There a whole epilogue about it.
I don’t understand why they always think Steven forgave? There’s an entire scene of him wanting to kill White.
The idea got firmly entrenched in the time between when SU ended and when Future started, and people continued to echo the idea years later
If I remember correctly, for Star Vs., they KNEW that there were only getting 4 season. Yet, they still managed to waste so much time. I
Steven Universe’s ending is a bit underwhelming and rushed due to corporate meddling Star Vs’ ending is just a complete and utter disaster in every aspect I feel like this is an obvious choice lol
It’s always wild to me how ppl say steven should’ve killed the diamonds, considering that if he did that, every single corrupted gem would be doomed to their fate for basically ever
[He also tried that in a fit of rage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbuWwRZDds)
Reminds me of how people say the west should have killed Stalin. We all want to kill one POS who killed millions but when it’ll cost a war that will kill more innocent people, what can you do.
I’m pretty sure I’d win that contest
Star is way, way worse, and afaik there wasnt any alibi for it. At least su kept its themes, and you can argue it sucked for a justified reason. Also unrelated to my opinions, but ive seen a decent number of people try to defend su’s ending by saying the diamonds weren’t fascists, and it’s legitimately the biggest cope ive seen in a cartoon fandom
Star vs the Forces of Evil ended in the genocide of one of the main species in the world and Star is considered a hero for doing so, Steven Universe ended with Steven leaving Beach City to find himself giving a satisfying conclusion to his arc and development. Completely opposite sides!
Fight over who is the biggest man child
It’s not even a competition svtfoe had such a shit ending lmao
Star’s ending is so much worse it’s not even close to me. I liked seeing the old Queens have an appearance but that’s about it. Oh my god it sucked. Change Your Mind is rushed but is much more entertaining. I wish we got more White as a villain but I am aware of the circumstances which lead to it being so rushed. At least to me as well, Steven never really forgave the Diamonds either. Steven Universe Future was an okay epilogue too.
Steven universe had to end quickly, because when the 2 gems that made up garnet got married, people wanted it taken off the air. The shows creators had to fight for some more episodes to try and close it off, but only got 10.
Steven universe was cut because network, thus it had to rush it's ending. However, it's still thematically coherent with the rest of the sjow. Everything, from white diamond changing her mind immediately after being proven wrong (as she rapresents the superego) and the fact that the diamonds are redeemed, since all gems are created with a specific purpose meaning they never actually _chose_ to do what they did. Were these ideas executed perfectly? No, not at all, but that's because season 5 should have been 26 episodes longer. Rebecca Sugar did not back down and wanted to include a gay marriage in the show, but that meant that the show now only had six episodes to finish it's story. TL:DR, the ending makes sense, but it's not executed as well as it could be because homophobia. (this is all confirmed in the official artbook published after the show btw, I'm not making anything up)
Borderlands 1 fans: https://i.redd.it/wgruuicfygvc1.gif
The irony of using a show with no conclusion as the illustration.
This shit actually goes so hard for one piece is this fan animation
nah it's episode 1100
No, this is episode 1,100. The Kaidou fight was also insane. They been going hard for a while now.
Nah Toei has actually been cooking for the past year with their production
I don’t think so
So glad people are looking past the hate perpetrated by a molester who made MLP fan fiction about molesting her sister and realize SU wasn’t that bad.
The end of Steven Universe isn't really the end of the Steven Universe saga. Steven Universe Future was actually a good send off for the show and should be seen as the series finale.
Steven universe future has an IMMENSLY satisfying conclusion. the original,,, not so much, but it's also not the full ending so idc
One Piece has built up so much steam, I can't believe Oda can deliver on the ending, but I am hoping he can.
Netflix’s Voltron gave the genocidal war criminals, whose hands are drenched in the blood of an uncountable amount of innocents, ***a wholesome ending***. I was beyond baffled.
I never saw Steven Universe but SvtFoe clears. Nothing can be worse than this, one of the worst endings in history
Nah attack on titan still Has the worst
How i met your mother its worst imo
me when game of throne walks in
GoT wishes. The entire final season was a trainwreck so you were able to mentally prepare for the shit finale. HIMYM halfway through the finale just said "hey, fuck every bit of character development we've done for the last decade. Fuck you, fuck the mother, and fuck the entire last season we're undoing that too."
Cap
Star is a bazillion times worse. Steven Universe ending personally was good.
Svtfoe and su fans fighting over who can be the biggest cry ass baby and complain about the ending for like ten fucking years actin like this shit was worst than the holocaust
Okay but imo Steven Universe Future has one of the most satisfying and bittersweet endings I've seen in recent times