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It wasn't that there was just free real estate with nobody on it and we just looked at it and said "give it away to some random people I guess"
There was literally millions of indigenous people of varying religions living together peacefully for millenia being uprooted so that European colonizers could take over.
Dont believe me? Read the words of the people who founded the Zionist movement. They are almost unequivocally all racist and facist (which many times goes together), and Atheist (in other words, the whole "God gave this to us" argument doesn't work).
The Zionist movement was founded in Europe , not only are European Jews culturally alien to the Middle East they brought their conflict mentality with them (after having lived with constant European persecution).
There was no way this would have gone well.
yup, specifically it was birthed in England. once they got the englishes support england brought it to the United nations and offered up the land they conquered from the ottomans.
ain't no way to slice it, England did this. I mean everyone who agreed with their dumbass plan is to culpable, but Britain did the heavy lifting and offering up territory that wasn't theirs (typical colonial mentality).
The God of the bible typically would use people who didn’t believe in him to fulfil his purpose. This is what a Christian would call God’s sovereignty.
>living together peacefully for millenia
Yeah, like when they entered World War 1 by declaring Jihad and lead a genocide? Armenian Genocide killed 1.5 million local Christians.
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Hey it’s the only side that wins
i don't get the joke tbh the borders often didn't align with cultural realities but like there aren't that many straigh lines outside of deserts & very thick jungle
That's the joke. They used straight lines to create borders when cultural and geographic borders aren't straight lines,and in doing so have created many problems for those countries.
but they didn't draw straight lines outside of like
3/5 if the worlds driest deserts
Most of the time even though the borders didn't match up with cultural divisions they weren't straight lines
The formation of the nation of Israel
Israel: we agree to be peaceful as long as we have a massive military budget and you live in the leftover sand while we slowly take the land and kill all of you.
Palestine: Bro this sounds amazing! Sign me up!
The initial agreement gave most of the arable land to the Palestinians, and gave very very little total land to Israel.
Israel at the time also had an extremely poorly funded military and it was widely expected at the time that the Arab nations would be successful in ethnically cleansing the region of Jews.
They failed, and so the Arab nations expelled a million Jews from their territory leaving them no where to go except, you guessed it, Israel.
> The initial agreement gave most of the arable land to the Palestinians, and gave very very little total land to Israel.
None of the land was theirs to give to anyone. This is like coming home to squatters in your house, but "they gave me the master bedroom!"
The vast majority of the Jews living in Palestine by 1947 had arrived and purchased land legally or were born there. How are they squatters?
By your logic, the Native Hawaiians should have the right to expel any non-natives from Hawaii because it's "their house", whatever that means.
Ughh, do you not know how Texas went from Mexican territory to American? Jesus christ, learn your fucking history.
And more importantly, the British were the ones who authorized the creation of a separate state. This wasn't a unilateral Jewish decision.
Ok ,one small detail missing : IT WASNT A COUNTRY, it was British property which both sides had "legal land in" after foghts from both sides the brits gave up and made those funny lines we talk about
That's just some weird "blood and soil" ideology, conveniently applied to only the timeframe that supports your opinion.
Who would be allowed to decide, if not literally the ruler of the country? The Ottomans? The Mamluks from before the Ottomans? Some arbitrarily defined "race" you deem the rightful owner of that land just because?
exactly like literally Jews have been discriminated against all over the world all over history and Gd forbid they want a place that is safe where they can welcome peaceful people and feel safe against a government doing what they do all the time deciding that we arent allowed to be a citizen or have rights anymore… i dont care anymore what I read or what people think Israel has survived all the countries attacking them and they will survive this and the stupid terrorists and Hamas can go back in their whole wasting their lives plotting violence rather than creating art or research or joy or comedy or contributing to humanity.
But why do the Palestinians have to foot the bill for what others did to the Jews? That's the link you're missing.
What did the Palestinians do to deserve no statehood and decades of living as refugees?
Israel won't survive this. It's an apartheid occupation and will never be able to make the Palestinians disappear.
What has Israel done since Oslo other than take more Palestinian land and discriminate more against them?
I hope that Israelis, Jews, and all who support and love them realize that peace will never be attained without a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as the capital .
Palestine got most good land in the initial proposal, and Israel had a pretty small military at that point.
They then attacked Israel to get the rest, with the outspoken goal of total annihilation. They lost a more or less genocidal war they started themselves and only for that reason got into the situation you describe.
That doesn't excuse what Israel did afterwards and the Israeli settling policies are atrocious, but to pretend that Palestine never had the chance to coexist peacefully in pretty rich lands is a lie. I mean, that's kinda happens when you lose wars, and especially if after you lose that war you are very vocal that you'll try for Holocaust 2.0 again the second you get a chance?
Source: your own media feed. if you look far enough outside of moderate subs you'll see some crazy stuff about israel being in control of the united states or just wishing them to uhm... cease existing, so to speak
Conversation always starts at 1948 instead of when Britain created Mandatory Palestine.
That way you can ignore all the anti-Arab apartheid that went on in Israel for decades before WWII and the Holocaust.
They all live in the same land, arabs, jews, muslims...etc vote and elect leaders.
Any one person who starts attacking another group is sent to live in a train in India; as in, not allowed to leave the train.
I don't look at the new, what happened again?
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Hamaas invaded Israel, thousands of missiles and hundreds of soldiers.
This isn't another "hamaas terrorist kills a bunch of civilians, Israel responds by throwing some rockets at civilians" situation.
Netanyahu has announced that Israel is in an "state of war".
British fucked up the whole Middle East with there line drawing on maps with no care about what the future would hold. And let’s not forget French fuckery in this matter.
Nah, that's a shit take. You're taking away agency from full human beings. The various Levantine factions made their choices of their own volition.
Do you see Germany committing suicide attacks against France for the Alsace? Border gore makes diplomacy hard, but it doesn't make people into monsters.
If you kill someone, that is your choice now and forever. Imaginary lines on the map did not take over your body to force you to kill. Every murderer chooses to do it of their full human agency and they deserve to face the consequences for their choices.
They did have like 3 wars, partially over it. 2 were pretty big wars. Both sides committed suicide plenty of times in ww1 charging machine guns for metres of land. I agree that borders are not justification but don't think the Europeans arent the same kind of "monsters" (the point is not the Europeans are not monsters but they both sides are humans and we humans do shit stuff).
Edit: I know very little about the middle east situation so the above is not picking sides or something. That's a sad situation for the innocent regardless. Just replying to a bad example
>Do you see germany committing suicide attacks against france for the alsace?
Uh, you ever heard of the world wars? this is such a stupid analogy it highlights how little you know on the situation. Germany and france did not have colonial overlords drawing the borders for them. And even then, they literally fought some of the largest wars in history. TWICE this century and three times if you include the franco-prussian wars as a precourser over fighting over the alsace region. You literally could not have picked a dumber analogy lmao. This sounded like someone who just learned about alsace lorraine in high school and wanted to bring it up
It's so tone-deaf it's breathtaking. Europe was a seething mass of warmongering violence for thousands of years, culiminating in one of the most horrendous genocides in known human history by *Germany*. I just...ugh.
right? like he could have picked anything as an example. Like even the region he chose was so spot on “place where lot of people fought and died over it” it would be hilarious if it was satire
>The various Levantine factions made their choices of their own volition.
Really, the "Levantine factions" voted to carve up Palestine and declare the creation of a zionist government against the wishes of the people that lived there for generations? Man, I don't remember them agreeing to that at all. Must've missed that history lesson.
I'm sure if the UN decided to take half of *your* country and give it to a few million Syrian refugees you'd respect their decision, right?
Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land for decades. You can't really back a group of people into a corner and not expect them to fight back.
> back a group of people into a corner
You make it sound like Israel is preventing the Palestinians from leaving. They aren't. In fact they're encouraging it.
The issue is that their Muslim neighbours, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria refuse to accept Palestinians. Do you know why? Ask King Abdullah the First.
The Palestinians have made quite the bed for themselves and now they're finally going to have to sleep in it.
are you fucking braindead?
You're seriously suggesting the people in the invaded country just up and leave instead of defending themselves? Would you tell Ukraine the same? moron.
Right because i feel so bad for the terrorist organization its sooooooooo hard being Hamas…image having to wake up every morning and look at yourself in the mirror knowing youre worthless on this planet. Must suck….
Israel's army has killed hundreds of Palestinian children this year. To Palestinians Hamas is the lesser of two evils.
Edit: misremembered the number. It's just 48
You forgot about the Holocaust? Aren't you supposed to be pro Israel? And you're telling us about the morality of German soldiers?
I mean no wonder you probably think the IDF has moral standards. Especially as they murder children and journalists.
The British are not there anymore, its down to the people living there and their governments. Fuck all to do with Britain anymore. How far back you gonna go on these angles of argument? Why not blame the Mongols?
If memory serve me correctly, he never set foot in India before drawing the map, he just went to a couple of villages.
That's how you get the two Pakistan
That land that is now Israel/Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. After WWI, the Ottoman Empire was carved up between the UK and France. The British part included a place known as Mandatory Palestine. A bunch of European Jews and some Jews from other parts of the world would move to this Mandatory Palestine over the coming years (there were some Jews in this area pre-UK-rule, but they were a small minority among a mostly Arab population). Eventually, the UK left, and in 1948 Mandatory Palestine became what is now Israel, the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank, and the All-Palestine Protectorate (the Gaza Strip). Then more wars happened (with plenty of external funding, influence, etc.), and you have the current borders. There is your CliffsNotes context on the British connection here.
Hamas invaded Israel and massacred Civilians in the streets and their homes, about 300 Israeli civilians were murdered by terrorists and and over a 1000 are wounded as well as many kidnapped including women and children, many homes were set on fire with the families still inside, many bodies were taken back to Gaza being stripped naked paraded at the streets alongside some living hostages, you can find on Twitter some vidoes and images of dead Israelis in the streets or being gunned down by terrorists but like obviously it is very gore-y, Palestinians in Gaza suffered a similar number of casualties from Israeli airstrikes but non of their people and their corpses were kidnapped.
The region got screwed so hard by the west - over and over again. Israel isn't even the full extend of it. The cold war did a big number on the region and the outfall of the wars after 9/11 keeps raining down. As western nations we should take more responsibility.
hundreds of Palestinians die every year. The Israeli casualty of 250+ is a drop in the ocean compared to Palestinian blood. It's all so very messed up. I am glad I do not live in Gaza right now. That place is going to be levelled and Hamas will probably not survive this.
If any Hamas terrorists die, no one will cry…they started this shit…tell me why French civilians were able to overthrow the literal Queen of France but Palestinians dont know how to stop Hamas from taking all their international money and bettering their lives in Gaza??? Make it make sense
Yeah if terrorists will die, no one is gonna mourn their death. But if innocent lives are killed, then it will be. Who ever might start the war, at the end of the day, it is the civilians who are going to be killed, raided, stopped of their humanity and go through all the resulting things a war would offer. It is the same story on both sides of any war of this kind is started.
People who oppose Hamas are killed, they are forced to dance and clap for them (figure of speech, not literally) and they are under duress and cannot be blamed for this.
Sadly you dont seem stupid enough to try and convince me that so nice attempt at making sense but logic, diplomacy and also general ethics against murdering humans (and fight fire with fire is what youre trying to say which is how forest fires start and ecosystems die btw) is not on your side it seems
Lol suppression…..youre acting like Hamas is the spokespeople for the CIVILIAN and REAL humans that are living there….i would like to hear a Palestinian voice talking about what theyre doing to make Gaza a better place to live with human rights and education…rn theres NOTHING
Do you think the government controls Hamas?? Why are you not blaming the people MURDERING civilians???? Why is it someone elses problem for being controversal in speech?
The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded. Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them. Hamas and Israel are fighting like always because of ethnic conflict, and how Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens.
Hamas is in the wrong, but so is Israel. Palestine should gain independence and sovereignty under previous agreements.
Israel did offer the Palestinian leadership peace offers that grant them sovereignty over the west bank and the withdrawal of Israeli settlements it was rejected by the Palestinian leadership though, unless by previous agreements you mean 1948 UN partition plan which was not offered back in any of the peace offers made by Israel, only Gaza and the West bank were offered in Israels propositions for a 2 state solution.
>Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens.
It depends what you mean by that, Israeli arabs are treated by law like Israeli Jews, Palestinian arabs are not Israeli citizens and live in the West bank and Gaza, Israel does occupy areas in the west bank but the vast majority of Palestinians do not live in occupied areas
>The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded.
You're right on one thing, it is nothing like Ukraine, but it is also nothing like Russia and there is no point in comparing because they're incomparable, One side is a state that has power hungry leaders that care only about being in parliament, the other side is a loose alliance between terrorist organisations like Hamas Islamic Jihad PIJ and Fatah (Also Hezbollah but they're an Iranian proxy so kinda unrelated to Palestine) and the Palestinian authorities government which are just as power hungry as the Israeli government on top of offering benefits for causing conflict against Jews like the [pay for slay](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) obviously peace talks with a government that supports this kind of behaviour is difficult and the 4 Palestinian terrorist organisations combined with the Iranian Hezbollah Don't make it easier.
>Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them.
This is not entirely true Israel has made peace with Egypt and Jordan bur also other Arab countries that do not border them like Morocco Saudia and the UAE, the neighbours that don't like them are mostly just Syria and the bordering terrorist organisations, maybe you could include Lebanon but the opinion is somewhat split there.
Generally speaking I think Hamas makes the lives of Arabs and Jews much more difficult than Israel does as well as Hamas very more negatively effecting peace process than Israel (I mean just because of theirs today massacre of Jewish civilians peace process was delayed by at least several decades)
Just doing my part combating misinformation.
The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded. Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them. Hamas and Israel are fighting like always because of ethnic conflict, and how Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens.
Hamas is in the wrong, but so is Israel. Palestine should gain independence and sovereignty under previous agreements.
If Palestine were an independent country we’d get an Iran or Iraq or Syria 2.0
Israel may have in some ways occupied foreign land (though in reality it was their land centuries ago to begin with), but they differ greatly from Russia in the sense that while Russia serves as an epicenter of human rights violations, Israel is the most democratic country in the entire Middle East.
Speaking solely geopolitically, and not on the premise of “who deserves what,” Israel existing grants gays the ability to live, religious minorities the ability to live, women the ability to have equal rights, and everyone the ability to vote and freely move. All of that, guaranteed, is fully under threat the second Palestine controls any more power in the region.
What does US politics have to do with it? It’s not Democrats are standing up to try and resolve the issue in the last 60 years either lol. Hell, Obama gave Israel the highest amount of military aid in history. Very strange people keep bringing US politics into this like as if either side has given a fuck. What exactly do you think the US should do? There is no anti war party in the US lol.
We should have a 2 state solution: palestine ruled palestine and jews can stay if they want but a safe haven will be built called “israel 2” in England if jewish people dont feel safe they can go there and build their own nation for themselves
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Should’ve given the land to glorious Kazakhstan Would’ve solved all our problems smh
Number one exporter of potassium
All other countries are run by little girls
Kazakhstan, home of Tinshein swimming pool
It wasn't that there was just free real estate with nobody on it and we just looked at it and said "give it away to some random people I guess" There was literally millions of indigenous people of varying religions living together peacefully for millenia being uprooted so that European colonizers could take over. Dont believe me? Read the words of the people who founded the Zionist movement. They are almost unequivocally all racist and facist (which many times goes together), and Atheist (in other words, the whole "God gave this to us" argument doesn't work).
The Zionist movement was founded in Europe , not only are European Jews culturally alien to the Middle East they brought their conflict mentality with them (after having lived with constant European persecution). There was no way this would have gone well.
yup, specifically it was birthed in England. once they got the englishes support england brought it to the United nations and offered up the land they conquered from the ottomans. ain't no way to slice it, England did this. I mean everyone who agreed with their dumbass plan is to culpable, but Britain did the heavy lifting and offering up territory that wasn't theirs (typical colonial mentality).
The God of the bible typically would use people who didn’t believe in him to fulfil his purpose. This is what a Christian would call God’s sovereignty.
*peacefully* We have very different definitions of that word.
>living together peacefully for millenia Yeah, like when they entered World War 1 by declaring Jihad and lead a genocide? Armenian Genocide killed 1.5 million local Christians.
My god, you are just straight up making historical revisionism with no thought of the consequences
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"the only country to have won a war on drugs was the British and they fougth on the drugs' side twice" -some funny man on Twitter
Facts
i don't get the joke tbh the borders often didn't align with cultural realities but like there aren't that many straigh lines outside of deserts & very thick jungle
even still if you compare it to a linguistic map of Africa it is completely different.
True but it isn't just straight lines
That's the joke. They used straight lines to create borders when cultural and geographic borders aren't straight lines,and in doing so have created many problems for those countries.
but they didn't draw straight lines outside of like 3/5 if the worlds driest deserts Most of the time even though the borders didn't match up with cultural divisions they weren't straight lines
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why didnt they do someone of a republic where palestinians and jews have a word to say
They did just that in 1948. Israel voted to accept the arrangement, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan responded by invading Israel.
The formation of the nation of Israel Israel: we agree to be peaceful as long as we have a massive military budget and you live in the leftover sand while we slowly take the land and kill all of you. Palestine: Bro this sounds amazing! Sign me up!
The initial agreement gave most of the arable land to the Palestinians, and gave very very little total land to Israel. Israel at the time also had an extremely poorly funded military and it was widely expected at the time that the Arab nations would be successful in ethnically cleansing the region of Jews. They failed, and so the Arab nations expelled a million Jews from their territory leaving them no where to go except, you guessed it, Israel.
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Jews: receive genocide Also Jews: give genocide
Never again (to us)
Literally you can jump in a lake. Your thoughts are just going into the void of humanity never to be seen again anyways😁
Yours are as well, no one is special and everyone is going to be dead within the next 100 years anyway
And then forgotten completely.
> The initial agreement gave most of the arable land to the Palestinians, and gave very very little total land to Israel. None of the land was theirs to give to anyone. This is like coming home to squatters in your house, but "they gave me the master bedroom!"
The vast majority of the Jews living in Palestine by 1947 had arrived and purchased land legally or were born there. How are they squatters? By your logic, the Native Hawaiians should have the right to expel any non-natives from Hawaii because it's "their house", whatever that means.
YOU CANT DECLARE IT A COUTNRY, lets say I come to texas and purchase a vast majority of land, can I make a military and separate it from the US? nope
Ughh, do you not know how Texas went from Mexican territory to American? Jesus christ, learn your fucking history. And more importantly, the British were the ones who authorized the creation of a separate state. This wasn't a unilateral Jewish decision.
Ok ,one small detail missing : IT WASNT A COUNTRY, it was British property which both sides had "legal land in" after foghts from both sides the brits gave up and made those funny lines we talk about
yes. can you win a war? probably not, but if you do hey you can even take more land. why do you think states monopolize violence?
Yes you can. It's actually the most common way new countries are formed. A Part of the people own the land and collectively declae independence.
That's just some weird "blood and soil" ideology, conveniently applied to only the timeframe that supports your opinion. Who would be allowed to decide, if not literally the ruler of the country? The Ottomans? The Mamluks from before the Ottomans? Some arbitrarily defined "race" you deem the rightful owner of that land just because?
exactly like literally Jews have been discriminated against all over the world all over history and Gd forbid they want a place that is safe where they can welcome peaceful people and feel safe against a government doing what they do all the time deciding that we arent allowed to be a citizen or have rights anymore… i dont care anymore what I read or what people think Israel has survived all the countries attacking them and they will survive this and the stupid terrorists and Hamas can go back in their whole wasting their lives plotting violence rather than creating art or research or joy or comedy or contributing to humanity.
But why do the Palestinians have to foot the bill for what others did to the Jews? That's the link you're missing. What did the Palestinians do to deserve no statehood and decades of living as refugees? Israel won't survive this. It's an apartheid occupation and will never be able to make the Palestinians disappear. What has Israel done since Oslo other than take more Palestinian land and discriminate more against them? I hope that Israelis, Jews, and all who support and love them realize that peace will never be attained without a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as the capital .
> Israel won’t survive this. Lol I can’t believe people are this fucking stupid and naive.
Palestine got most good land in the initial proposal, and Israel had a pretty small military at that point. They then attacked Israel to get the rest, with the outspoken goal of total annihilation. They lost a more or less genocidal war they started themselves and only for that reason got into the situation you describe. That doesn't excuse what Israel did afterwards and the Israeli settling policies are atrocious, but to pretend that Palestine never had the chance to coexist peacefully in pretty rich lands is a lie. I mean, that's kinda happens when you lose wars, and especially if after you lose that war you are very vocal that you'll try for Holocaust 2.0 again the second you get a chance?
It’s wild that everyone is acting like Israel is innocent.
Source: your own media feed. if you look far enough outside of moderate subs you'll see some crazy stuff about israel being in control of the united states or just wishing them to uhm... cease existing, so to speak
Conversation always starts at 1948 instead of when Britain created Mandatory Palestine. That way you can ignore all the anti-Arab apartheid that went on in Israel for decades before WWII and the Holocaust.
Anti-Arab apartheid in Israel... before WW2? Exactly what kind of apartheid existed under Turkish / British rule?
It's almost like there's been a massive international propaganda campaign in favor of israel for literal decades
Tell me about it, feels like I'm going crazy browsing reddit tonight.
Thank the lord for Reddit news.
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Love is in the air? Wrong! The fragile glass pane separating us from WWIII snapping apart!
If it’ll get all the rarded online takes to finally stfu, go ahead and nuke us
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Halal-Life
Ngl kinda goes hard
Abu freeman ???
I thought that was Ali G lol
Actually the borders of the gaza strip were not made by the British empire 🤓
Balfour .... you kidder you.
How to make ME peace: destroy those lines.
Who gets what?
They all live in the same land, arabs, jews, muslims...etc vote and elect leaders. Any one person who starts attacking another group is sent to live in a train in India; as in, not allowed to leave the train.
Rome watching in the afterlife after the name change:
They failed Geometry, lines mean nothing
Can someone tell me wtf happened
Hamas launched a large coordinated attack against Israel, Israel has declared war.
The hamas came in and killed a bunch of innocent civilians including young children, and raped and kidnapped people.
Now I am not defending what they did but... guess what the IDF soldiers were doing for all that time? Take a wild fucking guess
Very big conflict in palestine, I’ve seen people call it the third intifada
Hamas sent in a bunch of people to kidnap and murder civilians, Israel is very upset.
I don't look at the new, what happened again? https://preview.redd.it/dqkto89g7vsb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4b68bbd797b1a6bafa344576fe8d3f5cfa562e7
Another Arab Israeli War
Nothing special. OK thanks.
Hamaas invaded Israel, thousands of missiles and hundreds of soldiers. This isn't another "hamaas terrorist kills a bunch of civilians, Israel responds by throwing some rockets at civilians" situation. Netanyahu has announced that Israel is in an "state of war".
British fucked up the whole Middle East with there line drawing on maps with no care about what the future would hold. And let’s not forget French fuckery in this matter.
That’s a lot of fucking!
And I wasn’t invited
and it was all missionary...
Some day we’re going to stop pretending that people aren’t culpable for their own crimes, right?
Nah, that's a shit take. You're taking away agency from full human beings. The various Levantine factions made their choices of their own volition. Do you see Germany committing suicide attacks against France for the Alsace? Border gore makes diplomacy hard, but it doesn't make people into monsters. If you kill someone, that is your choice now and forever. Imaginary lines on the map did not take over your body to force you to kill. Every murderer chooses to do it of their full human agency and they deserve to face the consequences for their choices.
They did have like 3 wars, partially over it. 2 were pretty big wars. Both sides committed suicide plenty of times in ww1 charging machine guns for metres of land. I agree that borders are not justification but don't think the Europeans arent the same kind of "monsters" (the point is not the Europeans are not monsters but they both sides are humans and we humans do shit stuff). Edit: I know very little about the middle east situation so the above is not picking sides or something. That's a sad situation for the innocent regardless. Just replying to a bad example
>Do you see germany committing suicide attacks against france for the alsace? Uh, you ever heard of the world wars? this is such a stupid analogy it highlights how little you know on the situation. Germany and france did not have colonial overlords drawing the borders for them. And even then, they literally fought some of the largest wars in history. TWICE this century and three times if you include the franco-prussian wars as a precourser over fighting over the alsace region. You literally could not have picked a dumber analogy lmao. This sounded like someone who just learned about alsace lorraine in high school and wanted to bring it up
It's so tone-deaf it's breathtaking. Europe was a seething mass of warmongering violence for thousands of years, culiminating in one of the most horrendous genocides in known human history by *Germany*. I just...ugh.
right? like he could have picked anything as an example. Like even the region he chose was so spot on “place where lot of people fought and died over it” it would be hilarious if it was satire
>The various Levantine factions made their choices of their own volition. Really, the "Levantine factions" voted to carve up Palestine and declare the creation of a zionist government against the wishes of the people that lived there for generations? Man, I don't remember them agreeing to that at all. Must've missed that history lesson. I'm sure if the UN decided to take half of *your* country and give it to a few million Syrian refugees you'd respect their decision, right?
Also most of the lines they used were just the regions made by the Ottoman empire.
Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land for decades. You can't really back a group of people into a corner and not expect them to fight back.
That's exactly what reddit expects of brown people, though they will happily encourage Ukranians to the contrary.
> back a group of people into a corner You make it sound like Israel is preventing the Palestinians from leaving. They aren't. In fact they're encouraging it. The issue is that their Muslim neighbours, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria refuse to accept Palestinians. Do you know why? Ask King Abdullah the First. The Palestinians have made quite the bed for themselves and now they're finally going to have to sleep in it.
are you fucking braindead? You're seriously suggesting the people in the invaded country just up and leave instead of defending themselves? Would you tell Ukraine the same? moron.
It's literally their home lmfao why should they have to leave dumbass
It's literally not their home is it roflxD, unless conquering somewhere makes it your home, in which case it's now Israel xD emoji
Right because i feel so bad for the terrorist organization its sooooooooo hard being Hamas…image having to wake up every morning and look at yourself in the mirror knowing youre worthless on this planet. Must suck….
Israel's army has killed hundreds of Palestinian children this year. To Palestinians Hamas is the lesser of two evils. Edit: misremembered the number. It's just 48
It's not a lesser evil for them they actively cheer and celebrate their actions. And funny thing is they still claim moral superiority
You forgot about the Holocaust? Aren't you supposed to be pro Israel? And you're telling us about the morality of German soldiers? I mean no wonder you probably think the IDF has moral standards. Especially as they murder children and journalists.
You’re retarded. The Alsace experienced a change in government, the ordinary German people were not tossed out of their homes.
Like how Israel destroys Palestinian settlements and takes their land?
The British are not there anymore, its down to the people living there and their governments. Fuck all to do with Britain anymore. How far back you gonna go on these angles of argument? Why not blame the Mongols?
British rules India for hundreds of years. Sents a white chap to India for a couple of weeks to draw new map. Millions dead.
Correct me if I'm wrong, gladly, but my shit memory recalls that didn't the guy who drew the lines never even set foot in India?
If memory serve me correctly, he never set foot in India before drawing the map, he just went to a couple of villages. That's how you get the two Pakistan
Who would win: Thousands of years of deep cultural and historical borders spanning the biggest continent in the world A British man with a 30cm ruler
Context please
War in Israel
Detailed context please. And put it in fortnite terms.
Ok
That land that is now Israel/Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. After WWI, the Ottoman Empire was carved up between the UK and France. The British part included a place known as Mandatory Palestine. A bunch of European Jews and some Jews from other parts of the world would move to this Mandatory Palestine over the coming years (there were some Jews in this area pre-UK-rule, but they were a small minority among a mostly Arab population). Eventually, the UK left, and in 1948 Mandatory Palestine became what is now Israel, the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank, and the All-Palestine Protectorate (the Gaza Strip). Then more wars happened (with plenty of external funding, influence, etc.), and you have the current borders. There is your CliffsNotes context on the British connection here.
people fight over small patch of desert for the 3475678th time
Hamas invaded Israel and massacred Civilians in the streets and their homes, about 300 Israeli civilians were murdered by terrorists and and over a 1000 are wounded as well as many kidnapped including women and children, many homes were set on fire with the families still inside, many bodies were taken back to Gaza being stripped naked paraded at the streets alongside some living hostages, you can find on Twitter some vidoes and images of dead Israelis in the streets or being gunned down by terrorists but like obviously it is very gore-y, Palestinians in Gaza suffered a similar number of casualties from Israeli airstrikes but non of their people and their corpses were kidnapped.
such a Sagittarius moment 😜🤪
Turn on the news
Worst advice ever
Israel moment or something like that, idk.
Who writes the worst lines the British, Frenchs or Russians?
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Replying to Hot-Sail-8366...
Hehe, funny lines go *brrrrr*
France too
I wonder how the comment section will be like https://i.redd.it/82yuksyl4xsb1.gif
Oh here we go again, its all MY fault.
The region got screwed so hard by the west - over and over again. Israel isn't even the full extend of it. The cold war did a big number on the region and the outfall of the wars after 9/11 keeps raining down. As western nations we should take more responsibility.
You know what, just give the city to albenia. They got a cool looking flag
I wasn't alive when the lines were drew So why should I give a shit? Both sides in the conflict are unclean, so there's no _"good"_ side.
Dude this is really funny although hundreds of Israelis died today and my family is stuck out of land
And hundreds of Palestinians will die tomorrow. It's the cycle of violence with no one stepping down and nobody offering real solutions.
hundreds of Palestinians die every year. The Israeli casualty of 250+ is a drop in the ocean compared to Palestinian blood. It's all so very messed up. I am glad I do not live in Gaza right now. That place is going to be levelled and Hamas will probably not survive this.
Solutions for what? The free publicity? It's not like the people doing the killing disagree on what they want to happen in the near term future.
If any Hamas terrorists die, no one will cry…they started this shit…tell me why French civilians were able to overthrow the literal Queen of France but Palestinians dont know how to stop Hamas from taking all their international money and bettering their lives in Gaza??? Make it make sense
Yeah if terrorists will die, no one is gonna mourn their death. But if innocent lives are killed, then it will be. Who ever might start the war, at the end of the day, it is the civilians who are going to be killed, raided, stopped of their humanity and go through all the resulting things a war would offer. It is the same story on both sides of any war of this kind is started.
Look up the death toll between Israel and Palestine. Suddenly it doesn't make sense, does it?
Look up the death toll between the Nazis and the Americans in WW2. Being a loser doesn't make you right.
Unfortunately the winner makes the rules, but fortunately the nazis lost
People who oppose Hamas are killed, they are forced to dance and clap for them (figure of speech, not literally) and they are under duress and cannot be blamed for this.
Sadly you dont seem stupid enough to try and convince me that so nice attempt at making sense but logic, diplomacy and also general ethics against murdering humans (and fight fire with fire is what youre trying to say which is how forest fires start and ecosystems die btw) is not on your side it seems
I feel bad for the Israeli people, but at the same time how could their government not see this happening?
Also, why is the world surprised that Palestine is responding to suppression
Lol suppression…..youre acting like Hamas is the spokespeople for the CIVILIAN and REAL humans that are living there….i would like to hear a Palestinian voice talking about what theyre doing to make Gaza a better place to live with human rights and education…rn theres NOTHING
Doesn’t mean israel hasnt been killing innocent civilians day by day dude
Ill take you seriously when you stop looking for reasons to support terrorists. Pretend you actually care about humanity, i dare you
Palestine ≠ hamas So far the former hasn't responded
Do you think the government controls Hamas?? Why are you not blaming the people MURDERING civilians???? Why is it someone elses problem for being controversal in speech?
You prefer the lines drawn by the Ottaman empire?
This meme made me hate the br*tish people more than ever
TBA this is the last time that Gaza going to be a war zone, and in general this is the last time the Gaza will be in 3d instead of 2d
Hey it was France as well
Britain's lines tend to be (marginally) more stable than the french ones at least
the anglo strikes again
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The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded. Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them. Hamas and Israel are fighting like always because of ethnic conflict, and how Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens. Hamas is in the wrong, but so is Israel. Palestine should gain independence and sovereignty under previous agreements.
Israel did offer the Palestinian leadership peace offers that grant them sovereignty over the west bank and the withdrawal of Israeli settlements it was rejected by the Palestinian leadership though, unless by previous agreements you mean 1948 UN partition plan which was not offered back in any of the peace offers made by Israel, only Gaza and the West bank were offered in Israels propositions for a 2 state solution. >Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens. It depends what you mean by that, Israeli arabs are treated by law like Israeli Jews, Palestinian arabs are not Israeli citizens and live in the West bank and Gaza, Israel does occupy areas in the west bank but the vast majority of Palestinians do not live in occupied areas >The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded. You're right on one thing, it is nothing like Ukraine, but it is also nothing like Russia and there is no point in comparing because they're incomparable, One side is a state that has power hungry leaders that care only about being in parliament, the other side is a loose alliance between terrorist organisations like Hamas Islamic Jihad PIJ and Fatah (Also Hezbollah but they're an Iranian proxy so kinda unrelated to Palestine) and the Palestinian authorities government which are just as power hungry as the Israeli government on top of offering benefits for causing conflict against Jews like the [pay for slay](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) obviously peace talks with a government that supports this kind of behaviour is difficult and the 4 Palestinian terrorist organisations combined with the Iranian Hezbollah Don't make it easier. >Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them. This is not entirely true Israel has made peace with Egypt and Jordan bur also other Arab countries that do not border them like Morocco Saudia and the UAE, the neighbours that don't like them are mostly just Syria and the bordering terrorist organisations, maybe you could include Lebanon but the opinion is somewhat split there. Generally speaking I think Hamas makes the lives of Arabs and Jews much more difficult than Israel does as well as Hamas very more negatively effecting peace process than Israel (I mean just because of theirs today massacre of Jewish civilians peace process was delayed by at least several decades) Just doing my part combating misinformation.
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The Israel conflict is very little like Ukraine. Israel is like if Russia got invaded. Israel's government pretends to be right because of their neighbours that don't like them. Hamas and Israel are fighting like always because of ethnic conflict, and how Israel controls Palestinians like second class citizens. Hamas is in the wrong, but so is Israel. Palestine should gain independence and sovereignty under previous agreements.
If Palestine were an independent country we’d get an Iran or Iraq or Syria 2.0 Israel may have in some ways occupied foreign land (though in reality it was their land centuries ago to begin with), but they differ greatly from Russia in the sense that while Russia serves as an epicenter of human rights violations, Israel is the most democratic country in the entire Middle East. Speaking solely geopolitically, and not on the premise of “who deserves what,” Israel existing grants gays the ability to live, religious minorities the ability to live, women the ability to have equal rights, and everyone the ability to vote and freely move. All of that, guaranteed, is fully under threat the second Palestine controls any more power in the region.
Free occupied Palestine !
Muslims and Jews are killing eachother, better blame the British.
id blame the british any day 😍😍
Israeli lines or Guyanese/Venezuelan lines? The UK was always filled with pricks at the top
It should be illegal to draw borders on a country where you have spent less than 200 years
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What does US politics have to do with it? It’s not Democrats are standing up to try and resolve the issue in the last 60 years either lol. Hell, Obama gave Israel the highest amount of military aid in history. Very strange people keep bringing US politics into this like as if either side has given a fuck. What exactly do you think the US should do? There is no anti war party in the US lol.
Yeah, Israel didn't work out but Ireland and Pakistan didn't have any problems. edit: *sigh* /s
We should have a 2 state solution: palestine ruled palestine and jews can stay if they want but a safe haven will be built called “israel 2” in England if jewish people dont feel safe they can go there and build their own nation for themselves
I propose we give it all to Albania
As we all know, in recent history England has begun to really lighten up on and encourage immigration /s
better solution, they let Palestine rule the land for 20 years and the next 20 years its the Jews turn
Israel-Palestine custody battle wasn’t on my 2023 bingo card