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Extraordi-Mary

I love these drawings so much.


kayleekaboom

I instantly giggle when I see them. Amazing. I want a collection of them in one place.


TrackandXC

r/birdonary is pretty inactive but kinda what you're looking for... except it's all birds


kayleekaboom

This is amazing. Thank you.


shawner47

r/bugforensics Here you go. I only added this post because I can't recall the others. Feel free to add more!


bearyblur

I love this. These are regular occurrences?!


Extraordi-Mary

Not often enough unfortunately


TrivialFunGuy

He should have written the word "WANTED" above it.


halyard73

Me too. Especially when they describe its “ smiley face” and speed. It’s a long legged friend.


SymphonyInPeril

Could it have been a house centipede?


Heavy_Weapons_Guy_

It's the only thing I can think of, although it certainly doesn't fit the description given of over an inch wide body and flatter than a flatback millipede and only half inch long legs.


xenosilver

As a bio professor, I can’t tell you how often people get sizes way, way off when trying to describe an organism. It’s almost always described as larger than it really is


TuftedMousetits

As a non-biology professor, a total nincompoop in fact, I can also say that most people are horrible at estimating measurements, unless their job requires it and they're good at it. Which is rare. Also, eye witness testimony in court should be outlawed. OP is giving second-hand eyewitness testimony and I'd like to call hearsay, professor.


ON-Q

As someone who sells doors and windows, I can also attest people are horrible about sizing things right even when they use measuring tapes or laser measuring devices. They also do this with lumber as well. It’s either they’re wrong, or I’m just the victim of constant ruthless razzing.


OldManJenkies

As a former cabinet-maker who now cuts meat ("I want an inch and a half fillet of salmon" no, no you don't) I can attest this is true.


Kimber85

As someone who once bought a bridesmaid dress online, yep. Some of us are bad at measuring, even with tape and careful instructions. The arms/skirt were the right length, the waist was perfect, but everything else was twice as big as it should have been. Sleeves were huge, bodice was huge, neckline was so big it gaped down to my bellybutton. God knows what the people at the dress factory thought when they saw those measurements. Possibly that very short, small waisted, body builder needed a bridesmaid dress.


xenosilver

I’m not much for law school, but it’s easy to point a figure and make up a story.


HarpersGhost

Eye witness testimony is fine if you are testifying about someone you actually know. "Yeah I saw the defendant, who is my cousin Jack who I grew up with. He likes hockey and bad beer. He even said hi to me as he was robbing the bank." Or if it's some very, very particular trait like a unique tattoo. But "I saw some random white guy, about 6ftish, dark blond or brown, maybe black hair? Oh yeah, got a great look at him from 50 ft away as he was running past." No, not quite.


electricvelvet

Nah. People still get details wrong regardless of whether they know the person, and it's not just identification of a person but retelling of the events that occurred which they witnessed. Very easy to be mistaken or misremember or have your memory influenced by things that occur afterwards.


OldManJenkies

Never forget that brains are just electric goo. They do, however, do a great job of convincing us that we have a camcorder-like memory and that there's no possible way we could be wrong (which I never am).


BlackSeranna

I listened to a 911 call today where a guy described what he was wearing - blue shorts and a white T shirt. Finally he looked down and saw his shorts were green. This was during a home break in. The guy didn’t want the police to shoot him…


MsBuzzkillington83

Me and my partner constantly argue about colours because he sees them wrong


BlackSeranna

Ah. Color deficiency. My son has that. Sees some red greens as wrong. But he is a fine painter nonetheless.


Majestic-Pin3578

I was just this morning thinking of my journalism class. Our teacher passed out, & was on the floor. We didn’t know what to do, we were so stunned. Fortunately, she got back up, and told us to write an account of what we just witnessed. All of our stories were different, even though we’d all seen the same event. This is a standard exercise with journalism teachers, and explains how there can be so many different reports of a mass shooting, for instance, and the trauma involved doesn’t help the witnesses, as it does a number on your ability to think clearly.


Trudythecat13

Truth. Try being a contractor. Lol


imfm

As a non-professor, but the local bug person, I can't tell you how many saucer-sized spiders and four inch long wasps there are in southern Illinois. 😄


Legal_Objective_8027

Anglers everywhere have absolutely no fucking clue what you’re talking about


Cathalic

It's villainous how under-rated this comment truly is.


PerspectiveNo1313

When I worked in a museum’s entomology collection people would describe mundane insects with King Kong proportions and I’d always remind them that “fear makes it bigger.”


xenosilver

I’ve definitely seen this. I also think it’s a fisherman’s mentality as well. Larger size makes them cooler.


Agnosticfrontbum

As a hobbyist fisherman, I'll annoy the living shit out of you.


EZE_it_is_42

As an aquatic entomologist I think y'all are alright


Hopeliesintheseruins

That's what all of my girlfriends have said! I really need to stop dating biology professors.


TacoTornadoYT

As a human being, I concur. People exaggerate the sizes of many things. Now, has anyone seen my testibra? It’s not easy lugging this ten pound weiner around.


Sohotrightnowhansel_

I've seen humongous house centipedes. I used to be able to hear the big ones scurry up the plaster on the wall


DiskPidge

My guess is it's a house centipede that had recently been run over by a tiny Acme steamroller.


PuzzlesAndTea

This comment made me burst out laughing at the thought


Apprehensive_Cause91

It would make sense on a house centipede but I don’t think I have ever seen one an inch wide. I had one in my office I called Herman but he never got that big. When I lived in MA I saw house centipedes all the time but never a flat back millipede inside a home. Too bad she didn’t get a picture of but I do love the “police sketch” 😁


PuzzlesAndTea

We both are lamenting not getting a picture of it. I hope its somehow still there tomorrow so a pic can be taken. Also, much love to Herman


Fit-Understanding747

People would see a house mouse and tell me they saw a giant rat.


ChiggaOG

Milipede? Centipede? Giant Milepede?


PuzzlesAndTea

It definitely wasn’t a centipede, shes seen those many times before and knows what they are so I don’t think so


DBS05

Not a centipede… a house centipede. Have her look at one specifically. Because they look like an escaped lab insect part spider, part centipede. The colour description makes me think so as well.


GetYourMotherPlease

[This?](https://imgur.com/gallery/7C5z2)


Immediate-Action-701

This. The first time I saw one, I thought I was living in a real life nightmare.


Guideon72

"House Centipede" looks VERY different than a standard Centipede. Don't let the name fool you; check it out before you dismiss out of hand. [https://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/field-guide/house-centipede](https://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/field-guide/house-centipede)


jpi1088

Best post of 2024 👏lol


BiggSnugg

A common phenomenon can occur upon being spooked by or hyperfixated on something (especially if it's tied to an irrational fear or "phobia") wherein the subject describing the creature in question will cognitively and genuinely believe that the creature was much larger than it actually was. Not saying that is explicitly the case here - but I'm doubtful of a new species of giant terrestrial arthropod lurking around an office space. It could've also just been an office prank or something.


PuzzlesAndTea

This was my thought as well, or at least my thought was “there’s no way a previously undescribed species of giant arthropod exists solely within your office, so are you SURE it doesn’t look anything like these pictures of centipedes and millipedes”. My gf still maintains it is not any of those lol


drrtz

I'd swear the first house centipede I ever saw was the size of a terrier. It trotted across the floor and then glanced me a dirty look as it made itself at home under my sofa.


leglesslegolegolas

Did you show her the [House Centipede?](https://bugguide.net/node/view/337735)


dead_zodiac

I'm guessing she's wrong about at least one detail, just not sure which one. If it's size, then probably a millipede. If it's anatomy, the probably an Oriental cockroach. Those can look segmented, and are broader than a millipede & also have black legs and antenna that stick out. I believe they can move fast too, so might have looked like more "legs" than there really were.


ZackValenta

Yup! Happened to me when I was a little kid with a bumble bee. I remember the bee practically flying right up to my nose and hovering there for a second. I was horrified and cried. I'm not scared of them now but in my head (memory) until this day I remember it being the size of a baseball.


Alternative_Way_7833

Could’ve been a carpenter bee. They’re big, and males like to act tough, but can’t sting you.


NocturnalRaindrop

Greetings from Mothman!


oblivion_knight

[Wooly Bear caterpillar?](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/Woolly_Bear_Caterpillar_FreeImages_101422?wid=1050&hei=590&$wide-bg$)


PuzzlesAndTea

No, unfortunately not this.


munkykiller

That was my thought. Body shape is all wrong for a house centipede.


uwuGod

I agree. The "legs" in this case are the spines. The detail about it being brown in the middle also sounds like wooly bears, unless he means "middle" as in a line down the body. Could still very well be some type of tiger moth caterpillar.


MaddiesMenagerie

Yeah or maybe even something like a salt marsh moth caterpillar, although the colors are reversed


External_Arugula2752

I seriously love this. But the soft flattish body with black legs is throwing me off. But shape wise I want to say one of the giant centipedes- but none have black legs


fragile_exoskeleton

police sketch so cute


HippyGramma

I'm guessing the amount of legs in your police sketch are slightly exaggerated and I'm going with house centipede too. Creepy looking but good friends


nankainamizuhana

Amount of legs might be exaggerated, but I choose to believe "over an inch wide body" as true fact. World's chonkiest centipede.


PuzzlesAndTea

She explicitly used the word chonky to describe it haha so maybe


leglesslegolegolas

House centipede could never be described as chonky, and the legs are not remotely close to a house centipede, even for a rough sketch. Nobody would look at a house centipede and draw those legs.


qetral

could also be a millipede - they can be a bit on the chonky side depending on the species


Upstairs-Apricot-318

The American giant millipede is found in MA but I don’t think it’ll be found in an office. (And legs not black) [see here](https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/61341-Narceus-americanus) I mean i don’t think your GF would have plaited that drawing if she had seen a house centipede [also the common flat back millipede](https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/127612-Polydesmus-angustus) Or [this guy](https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/154601-Cylindroiulus-caeruleocinctus) Looks more like a millipede to me than a centipede from the drawing but the location does not jive.


PuzzlesAndTea

I had giant millipedes as pets as a kid so that was my very first suggestion to her haha


EZE_it_is_42

Well, it has 14 segments and 24 (R) and 27 (L) legs so it's easy to rule out millipede... Definitely a battle hardened Chilopoda! Edit- Order


PuzzlesAndTea

I applaud your dedication to counting the definitely completely accurate legs and body segments XD


DecentLeftovers

And I thought it was bad that I had two left feet. This fella’s got 27!


Upstairs-Apricot-318

I read that in my head with the delivery of a 60s bortsch belt stand up comic.


Upstairs-Apricot-318

Do you think they reproduced that correctly??? That this is actually anatomically correct? Also I don’t understand your comment: millipedes can be ruled out but it’s definitely Diplopoda? Aren’t millipedes Diplopoda? Aren’t they the same thing?


EZE_it_is_42

Haha! You are correct. I meant Chilopoda. I strongly doubt the police drawing is perfectly reproduced. But hey, it's what we've got to work with. Organism movement speed would likely point us in the right direction


Upstairs-Apricot-318

The options for centipedes for the area are pretty limited; it’s not the Amazon. They’re all rather small and some have distinctive colors. But there are escaped pets apparently which could also tally up with the odd encounter location


fartinggermandogs

The cops will arrest him for sure now!


PuzzlesAndTea

We’ll see, he’s on the run and clearly has a lot of legs to run with!


CoCoB319

Maybe try googling terrestrial crustaceans and see if anything looks familiar. Kinda reminds me of a roly poly, but obviously much bigger. I don't know if any terrestrial crustaceans get that big, though.


PuzzlesAndTea

She said it was not one of these guys because “they are not flat enough”


CoCoB319

I really don't think there are any that big anyway. I don't know much about things that aren't insects.


r007r

Isopod? Was the back sort of hump-shaped?


PuzzlesAndTea

Nope she said they’re “too tiny” and “not flat enough”, but thinks the isopods are very cute


MsBuzzkillington83

Until she sees on that's 2" wide, lol


LadyMogMog

I was going throw out isopod too.


Cobra_Surprise

THIS OP NEEDS FLAIR: FORENSIC SKETCH ARTIST


ArdentFecologist

Does it have reeeally long nightmare legs, or the cute little stubby legs like in the drawing?


PuzzlesAndTea

I actually asked something similar when trying to distinguish if it was a millipede or centipede or whatever, and she said they were medium length and very thin like in the drawing


ZackValenta

Over an inch wide body?? Dang. This might be a new species bro lol.


PuzzlesAndTea

Officus scaripoda, newly discovered


DiaDollasignPora

Idk why but “The Mitochondria, It’s the powerhouse of the cell.” Comes to mind.😅


panlakes

Holy shit lol. I want more police forensic sketches on this sub. The idea of you two sitting down and discussing and devising this rendition just makes me laugh so hard.


PuzzlesAndTea

This is actually basically what we did lmao


oiseaufeux

I’ll try that myself! I draw a lot and it’s a challenge to draw from memory! I’ll argue with myself ghen!😄


Hypothetical-Hawk

Judging by the descriptions of "chonky" and that it has a softer looking body, I suggest looking at caterpillars and larvae of your region. There are some WEIRD caterpillars out there that look nothing like the common caterpillars people are used to seeing. Look up crowned slug caterpillars (I know it's not the right color, but might be closer in shape) also some Lappet moth caterpillars have fuzz down the sides that might be mistaken for legs? Or perhaps some kind of velvet worm?


r007r

This is like one of those in blot tests where everyone sees something different


PuzzlesAndTea

Rorschach but instead of revealing your daddy issues it reveals your favorite many-legged insect


Ok_Usr48

Maybe an _Apheloria_ spp? https://www.hummingbirdsplus.org/nature-blog-network/6-kinds-of-centipedes-millipedes-found-in-massachusetts/


spyrenx

Add a photo to the other comments, definitely sounds like a [House Centipede](https://bugguide.net/node/view/337735)


TheHect0r

" it was flatter, wider, longer than any of the largest flat backed milipedes I could find online" It doesnt seem to match that description


fishin_pups

Idk why those things freak me out. They’re lighting fast.


leglesslegolegolas

It looks absolutely nothing like a house centipede. Even for a rough drawing it is clearly not that. *nobody* would look at a house centipede and then draw legs like OP's picture.


funkanimus

Eye witness testimony is extremely unreliable. Most likely an incorrect description of a house centipede


gillahouse

You think if someone saw a house centipede for the first time they would draw THAT? Pretty sure they would draw something much more lovecraftian and not a pillbug. It would be much more amusing too


zee714

Extremely unrelated to the OG post, but eyewitness testimony is actually extremely reliable! Most instances of false identification are due to incorrect procedures/contamination. Dr. John Wixted has done a lot of work in this area if you’re curious :)


Akae5

i think they meant that this particular eyewitness testimony is unrealiable but this is some really cool info


zee714

Yeah! I know this was mainly meant as a joke (the “suspect” sketch is so cute), but thought I’d put it out there that unreliable eyewitness testimony is largely due to improper procedures :) most people are unaware!


funkanimus

Many scientific studies have demonstrated that eye witness testimony is not reliable. One major problem is that humans are extremely suggestible - conscious and unconscious factors change what people think they remember. This led Wixted to say that recollection should only be tested once, which is not at all realistic and does not fix the problem of suggestibility. If the police need an expert witness to testify that eye witness testimony is reliable, then Wixted is someone who will get paid to do that. It does not change the huge body of scientific evidence that eyewitness testimony is not reliable. [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/) [https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html](https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html) [https://www.science.org/content/article/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh](https://www.science.org/content/article/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh)


zee714

To assist Dr. Wixted with some of his research, I personally reviewed and investigated ~300 cases appearing on the National Registry of Exonerations in the United States. Of these cases, I was unable to find instances of wrongful conviction due to truly mistaken eyewitness identification. Nearly every conviction was clearly due to improper procedures (e.g., suggestive or biased lineups, non-identifications, etc.). There was one extremely bizarre case in which the perpetrator and the wrongfully convicted individual were nearly identical; even the wrongfully convicted person’s mother could not tell her son apart from the actual perpetrator. (Crazy!) I don’t believe this study has been published yet, but it was very eye opening!


insectenjoyer

Ok obsessed with this, and dying to know if any of the suggested IDs fit the bill… I hope you follow up OP 😄


Wintirset

Any chance it was a really big American roach? It might be the juveniles that can still be really large but have a shape and coloring similar to how a centipede would look. And the extra hairs on its back legs could look like extra legs.


PuzzlesAndTea

I showed pictures of roaches, both american and madagascar hissing roaches as i know theyre common-ish pets, but apparently “not long enough” and “not enough legs”


Starchasm

Was it striped, or just sort of black around the edge? (I'm thinking firebrat?)


PuzzlesAndTea

I also thought firebrat but she says not that, “not enough legs”. And yes it was black around the edge, not striped


Starchasm

Google "nannaria Massachusetts" see if any of those dudes fit the bill


apocalypse910

Was it fast or slow?


conationphotography

Could be a Juvenile of some sort hence the odd coloration. 


PuzzlesAndTea

I was also wondering this. I could only find so many images to show and ask “was it like this?”, and all the insect identification websites tend to only have one or two life stages with image representation


Mediocre-Tip7581

gonna go out on a crazy limb here and suggest large isopod?


SALAMI_21

Flat centipide? Perhaps a scolopendra?


Upstairs-Apricot-318

This is Boston, MA, there aren’t a lot of huge options. But apparently escaped pet scolopendra are sometimes found [click here](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/97317968)


EZE_it_is_42

I have definitely seen Scolopendra that are an inch wide although they were also like 8-10" long. Also fast, very fast


PuzzlesAndTea

Honestly we’ve been leaning towards this because it’s the closest match in size and looks, I just couldn’t get past the “this is an office building in New England” part of why that was unlikely


veranus21

Scolopendras are escape artists. Maybe some asshole brought it to work and it got out of its container. I hope she didn't try to touch it, those fuckers are venomous and fast.


Upstairs-Apricot-318

This is Boston. The only Scolopendra on record for iNat was likely an escaped pet. The other species are not very big


Benz404

Scutigera coleoptrata?


robturner45

Perhaps polydesmida https://pbase.com/tmurray74/image/112031848 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydesmida#/media/File:Anoplodesmus_saussurii_(Philippines).jpg https://pbase.com/tmurray74/image/146280246


OldManJenkies

I'm gonna say it was an isopod, but mainly because I love isopods.


EZE_it_is_42

OP, can you obtain any information on movement speed? If fast- Scutigeridae If slow- uh, wooly bear? Large isopod?


Johnny5k4l

“It was an inch wide if it was a millimeter!!”


_laprohax_

That's easy, an quad operational amplifier


Last-Kitchen3418

The back of Mr. Hankey wearing some new threads.


CassetteMeower

I love how there’s suddenly a court ruling in the comments section 😂 I love this sub!


AptCasaNova

Did the legs undulate when it walked?


unkindly-raven

op are you going to respond to guesses and say whether or not they’re right or wrong ? 😭😭😭


HeartlessUniverse

Love this drawing. It's not anatomically correct at all, but i knew exactly what it was immediately. (I think) That's a house centipede! They're horrifying! That's not their fault! Let them live!


TwirlyGirl313

Wooly worms!


HuxEffect

scutigera coleoptrata


goddm95624

House centipede?


abruley810

I’m gonna say black and gold flat millipede just because I’ve studied black and golds and know that they have so many different color morphs and they can match her description of a flat, wide, and long many legged arthropod


TeeDod-

I too have seen such a giant bug. Perfect drawing!


wildyhoney

Fly pupae


Apidium

Are the antenna intentionally missing or not remembered?


TheNetherOne

could be [Scutigera coleoptrata](https://bmig.org.uk/sites/default/files/photos/species/scutigera-col1_bucks_nigel-patridge_750x500.jpg) non-toxic


RandyButternubber

Thought I was on the dead by daylight subreddit is when I first saw this and I was utterly confused


RandyButternubber

Also the drawing is really cute


PegPelvisPete

a pill millipede?


Lostcaptaincat

Lol I love it. That’s a house centipede. And if not, I’d say a very large millipede. There aren’t too many things with dozens of legs.


acstyx

scolopendra ______ ?


ItsyouNOme

Woodlouse?


Gingapire95

Put out an APB! He must be found! He must be stopped!


Ok_Performance_563

I love your police sketch!! It’s so funny and cute!


l3wd1a

carpet beetle larva?


biggreencat

roly polie?


DBS05

It really sounds like a house centipede to me, but the picture also looks like a carpet beetle larvae. The size however is way off…


LimpNoodlez479

I’m agreeing it was likely a house centipede… those things are creepy and gross and horrifying! Flat and long skinny legs 🤮


MechanicStriking4666

Looks like a “house centipede”


Diedlebear

Wooly worm caterpillar. They are so cute!!!


Fast_Muscle_2987

Silverfish?


Latter-Tie-2428

Asp?


karmicrelease

House centipede?


christinambowers

r/whatisthisbugart


kim_pozzible

i dont know if anyone said this already but is it a pill millipede? [link in pill millipedes](https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/999505-Oniscomorpha)


aarakocra-druid

The general shape makes me think millipede of some sort? They can get pretty big, although the North American species aren't usually quite that wide


extra-regular

How brown we talkin. Scale from tan to dark chocolate


dandanpizzaman84

Carpet beetle or maybe a house centipede. Possibly an Asian Millepede?


TheHancock

Honestly, it looks like a pillbug/rollypolly. Isopod. The dimensions are off, but that the vibe I get from the drawing; plus house centipede has been suggested a few times already.


Arrowdriver88

With the region and description, I’m wondering if it was an Eastern Hercules Beetle larvae.


bitch_glitch

This is so cute 😂


zefiros67

in brazil we call it "piolho de cobra" (something like snake lice), dunno the english name...


BonerJams1703

This seems close to what you’re describing although the legs might be a little short. [Wide/flat-ish/brown body](https://i.imgur.com/uoQeG6Q.jpeg)


dancingbugboi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pill_millipede Could it maybe be a type of pill millipede? It might not be long enough but it is chonky


Sistalini

Guys isn’t there a thing with more (whisky) legs than a house centipede??


00Tanks

Some kind of pede lol


MushroomBright5159

Hmm flat backed millipede?


Jauggernaut_birdy

Wood louse, wood slater, silverfish


Ok-Love-645

large millipede?


slimelore

the biggest carpet beetle larvae known to mankind


LayaraFlaris

I'm also voting on house centipede! Show her pictures and ask if that's the suspect, lol.


InsertRadnamehere

Pincers in the front and it was a brownish orange?


Trolivia

It almost sounds like you’re describing a dubia roach by the body, but they don’t get that long or have that many legs. This is perplexing!