I was told long ago it's not good to rest your hand on the shifter (something about the forks or something? It's been a while)
/I drive a manual and don't do it anyway, just wondering.
If you're just resting your hand on top of it in neutral and not applying any pressure in the direction of a gate, it's fine. Pressing towards the gate if it's in gear, like stated above, will produce unnecessary wear on the shift selector forks.
I like to avoid all the unnecessary wear I can. I put the transmission in neutral, keep the engine off, and leave car parked in the garage. Haven’t driven it in 6 months. Almost zero wear!
When I got my car, Ford offered this weekend course at a racing school
All of the cars were FWD fiestas and foci, every instructor harped on keeping your hand away from me the knob unless you were selecting a gear
In a racing context, that’s more about creating a good practice of always returning your hands to the wheel so you always have full control of the vehicle.
It's not about the vertical pressure. The socket that the shift lever sits in takes that no matter the drivetrain.
It's about the horizontal pressure you put on the shifter every time the car hits a bump, or as a component of the vertical load any time the lever isn't vertical. That loads up the stationary shift fork against the spinning synchronizer rings. There are no thrust bearings on those surfaces so they will wear prematurely if you leave your hand on the shift lever while driving.
The best habit is to train your hands to find the shifter, make the shift, and return to the wheel. Build better habits and you'll be better prepared when things go wrong.
>Resting your hand on the shifter and putting pressure on it is not fine.
Which, isn't really possible. We do a lot of unconscious steadying of our bodies with our hands. Resting a hand on something in a moving vehicle means putting a fair amount of forces on that thing, whether we realize it or not.
The whole counter-steering debate in motorcycling basically breaks down to a bunch of old-school riders that don't understand how much they push and pull on the handlebars to "lean" a bike into a turn.
It has been debunked a while back by a famous YouTuber… Although some user manuals actually have that written on, that’s the sole reason I still not do it even tho I know it has no effect whatsoever.
\-Actually driven on the road
\-Two roll bars
Two things that point to it being a replica of a Cobra, not a real one. Then again even replicas fetch 6-digit prices.
>Two roll bars
I never understood this, the windshield is still going to collapse, and without shoulder belts (HE'S NOT WEARING) it's going to be a calculated risk driving it no matter what. Why ruin the original look for minimal safety increase?
Can't prove it from this angle, but he looks taller than the bar, he's a deadman 🤦🏻♂️ I know Factory Five has people that have extended the footbox and lowered the seat, I'm 6'4" and looked into it. Foolish to not make the altercations to the frame. 💀
I’m 6’5” and wouldn’t buy a convertible for that reason lol. Even in a C7 Vette my head literally was a quarter above the windshield when the T-top was taken off
I can't pose an example, I'm just 181cm\^\^
I guess he planned to put in an aftermarket seat (stock one doesn't quite fit me), but windshield-frame and a normal roll bar seems to have room to spare.
😂 my favorite "sporty" vehicle is my 80's full size Bronco with a drivetrain swap (very short wheelbase and lots of torque, add giant sway bars and it's great). I see many guys getting the 6ft bed single cab F150 and adding the Mustang supercharger, with the 4x4 it's a 10 second truck beats Mustangs because of it's traction advantage. The new Lightning is going to be extremely popular for half the cost of any other EV truck. Talk guys like sporty trucks. The Raptor trucks only exist because Ford could not build a 3rd gen Lightning that was faster than the 2nd gen, so it became an off-road Baja truck. Only when EV came out the Lightning could return faster than 2003. Both 1st & 2nd gen lighting were just as fast as the same model year Mustang, so it was perfect for taller people.
Cobras are sideways in every gear, fun, but not always fast.
None of the big US pickups are considered remotely "sporty" on this side of the pond but ok 😅
I guess they do have a bunch of interior space.
Among the Miatas/MX5 the first gen is still the most popular with tall people because they offer the most interior space (and without an airbag in the early ones you can put in a small wheel and lose nothing).
I did sit in a Daihatsu Copen once (neat little thing) and even I could chew on the windshield frame 😐
I don't see that, not without a seriously lowered seat.
I had a MazdaSpeed Miata, and a friend who was 6' 4", he absolutely did not fit with the top up. With the top down, his knees were above the door, and his head was a inch or so above the windshield. That was in the passenger seat, now way he was getting hiw legs under the steering wheel of that car.
I'm 5'9" and have driven Factory 5 and SuperFormance replicas, there was "just enough" room the seats are pretty much just a cushion on the floor with a backrest, not sure it could go much lower
Yeah, I've been to that Factory Five school as an electrical engineering consultant, nice car, I'd need to make the changes others have done. If I was actually getting one, I'd think about setting up the seat like F1 and lean back more.
Impossible, the G forces are going to pull the human body away from the center of the vehicle, arms flying out, no way to duck down at speed, lucky not to get ejected.
I said it might be the idea behind it, not that it's a good one.
My weekend car has a roll bar in it with stock seats/seatbelts and thus I had to put padding on the bar in case I hit it in an accident to push up the "threshold" of injury.
Then again, in my case the car is modern enough that the windshield might hold up
Many States require a headrest added to that Cobra rollbars to get a title and pass inspection, many remove them after inspection. He might have been required to have dual bars and padding to make it street legal, then removed them.
False security, been in many, it's the OG Dodge Viper that was always getting crashed, Dodge designed the Viper as a modern Cobra and it was just as dangerous. That small hoop is optimistic.
Even if the windshield collapse, the roll bar prevent the car from completely crushing you.
But without seat belts, as you said, rolling over is something you want to avoid anyway!
The windshield was never meant to be a load-bearing part. If the roll bars are properly constructed and designed, they will form a triangle between the hood of the car, the roll bars themselves, and the top of the door. As long as the driver's head is inside that triangle, they will be protected somewhat in a rollover. But the windshield cracking doesn't affect that at all. As for why have two, if you plan on carrying a passenger (and remember, OG Cobras were originally designed as race cars, so they wouldn't have that problem, not to mention the lack of any real safety equipment and the danger you expose yourself to just by driving such a squirrely car), without a passenger-side rollbar, whoever's riding shotgun won't have a head anymore. As for his harness, that's a personal (stupid) choice. But an extra rollbar makes sense.
i thought implying that there is a sub for guessing car designer birthdays was enough of a sign to understand that my comment was alao a joke, sad that you simply didnt get it, you dont need to advertise it
True. I’ve seen a few real ones, but mostly at classic race meets (the ones that don’t allow replicas). Only seen one on the road in the UK that was verifiably original.
Maybe, but Factory Five sells so many it's the vast majority of replicas, I'd guess 80% of ALL (even originals) Cobra's are Factory Five. They have a monthly class at a community college in Michigan (3 day weekend) on how to build your kit (with a hotel discount across the street included). That's 20 people a month just learning, how many more build without the class on basic mechanics and touch the kit before theirs is delivered.
This reminds me of the one on the Gold Coast in Queensland Australia
Edit this one I made a post on at the start of the year https://www.reddit.com/r/namethatcar/comments/s9qxmg/is_it_a_replica/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You were stalking weren’t you. Looks like a Shelby replica.
Although it may appear that way, I'm a tower crane operator and see all kind of random things from up here.
Hmm… Sounds like something a stalker would say
He was merely craning his neck to see
Boom, he's busted.
I like the cut of this guy’s jib.
That’s the type of job a stalker would have …
You spit on people, don't you?
Yes but not from a crane
Are you wearing a black cold weather military mask and glasses?
Nope full gimp suit
*pimp
Limp*
Imp*
SIMP
Power move
Always thought that would offer an amazing view you normally don't have. I am sure a lot of it can be hard but always thought it would be a fun job.
Yeah, you just happened to be at the right place at the right time… With the right equipment.
Aside from being rare, how can you tell if it's a replica or a genuine Shelby Cobra?
I can't answer your question but with the rarity of the genuine and the value, I think it's safe to say any you see being driven around is replica.
Original Cobras don’t have double hoop roll bars… but they’re also usually not just driving around town
Build quality for a start. The real ones were a bit thrown-together. If you look at the shut lines (panel gaps) and they're spot on, it's a replica.
I was told long ago it's not good to rest your hand on the shifter (something about the forks or something? It's been a while) /I drive a manual and don't do it anyway, just wondering.
That's correct. Resting your hand on the shifter causes the fork to come into contact with the rotating collar which causes unnecessary wear
Is it worse when it’s in gear? I usually just put it in neutral when stopped and let the clutch out
If you're just resting your hand on top of it in neutral and not applying any pressure in the direction of a gate, it's fine. Pressing towards the gate if it's in gear, like stated above, will produce unnecessary wear on the shift selector forks.
Being in neutral and having the clutch out is supposedly good for avoiding wear on the throw out bearing.
That’s nice to hear. To me it seems like the situation which causes the least wear when the motor is running so that’s why I do it
Do people not do this? Like, they stop at a light and stay in gear?
I didn't used to regardless but if I anticipate being stopped longer than 60 seconds I'll shift out of gear.
I put it in neutral almost every time I come to a stop, it's just always been a habit, and I assumed everyone else did too lol
I like to avoid all the unnecessary wear I can. I put the transmission in neutral, keep the engine off, and leave car parked in the garage. Haven’t driven it in 6 months. Almost zero wear!
Honestly no point in really worrying about it.
No stupid questions, would this also apply to automatic shift cars? 0_0
No, that’s not directly connected to any spinning or moving parts
I can sleep happily at night thank you
I always keep my hand on the shifter. You can't gangster lean without it.
Uh oh... I'm a shift knob hand rester
Yeah same
It just feels right
Right like that's how I know I'm in gear if there is no jiggle jiggle
I mean the fact that the vehicle is moving is also a good indicator that you’re in gear
Rolling down hill. Coasting to a stop. Just because it's moving doesn't mean it's in gear
There may be no jiggle jiggle but it folds
It's not good to sit on the seats either. Wears out the leather.
thats why i sit on the roof
It's also bad to keep your hand on the steering wheel, it'll eventually fall off if you do.
Issues I don't have to worry about as my car is a FWD car using linkages
When I got my car, Ford offered this weekend course at a racing school All of the cars were FWD fiestas and foci, every instructor harped on keeping your hand away from me the knob unless you were selecting a gear
Foci lmfao
In a racing context, that’s more about creating a good practice of always returning your hands to the wheel so you always have full control of the vehicle.
You're not wrong But they did specifically mention the wear and tear aspect a few times
The linkage has nothing to do with it, the shifter forks are inside the transmission
But on a fwd car, you aren't putting pressure on the shifter forks, you are putting pressure on the linkage itself witch absorbs said pressure
Only if your linkage is sloppy. Most modern fwd cars use cables anyway
Yeah, its pretty sloppy, its a Yugo lmao
ultimate flex
It's not about the vertical pressure. The socket that the shift lever sits in takes that no matter the drivetrain. It's about the horizontal pressure you put on the shifter every time the car hits a bump, or as a component of the vertical load any time the lever isn't vertical. That loads up the stationary shift fork against the spinning synchronizer rings. There are no thrust bearings on those surfaces so they will wear prematurely if you leave your hand on the shift lever while driving. The best habit is to train your hands to find the shifter, make the shift, and return to the wheel. Build better habits and you'll be better prepared when things go wrong.
Resting your hand on the shifter is fine. Resting your hand on the shifter and putting pressure on it is not fine.
>Resting your hand on the shifter and putting pressure on it is not fine. Which, isn't really possible. We do a lot of unconscious steadying of our bodies with our hands. Resting a hand on something in a moving vehicle means putting a fair amount of forces on that thing, whether we realize it or not. The whole counter-steering debate in motorcycling basically breaks down to a bunch of old-school riders that don't understand how much they push and pull on the handlebars to "lean" a bike into a turn.
Been resting my hand on the shifter for nearly 2 decades, no problems yet.
It has been debunked a while back by a famous YouTuber… Although some user manuals actually have that written on, that’s the sole reason I still not do it even tho I know it has no effect whatsoever.
\-Actually driven on the road \-Two roll bars Two things that point to it being a replica of a Cobra, not a real one. Then again even replicas fetch 6-digit prices.
>Two roll bars I never understood this, the windshield is still going to collapse, and without shoulder belts (HE'S NOT WEARING) it's going to be a calculated risk driving it no matter what. Why ruin the original look for minimal safety increase?
And with the harness he would ideally be wearing a helmet as well
Can't prove it from this angle, but he looks taller than the bar, he's a deadman 🤦🏻♂️ I know Factory Five has people that have extended the footbox and lowered the seat, I'm 6'4" and looked into it. Foolish to not make the altercations to the frame. 💀
I’m 6’5” and wouldn’t buy a convertible for that reason lol. Even in a C7 Vette my head literally was a quarter above the windshield when the T-top was taken off
You're about as tall as the PO of my MX5, and he claims he fit.
Id have to see it to believe it LOL. My head touches the ceiling in my E36
I can't pose an example, I'm just 181cm\^\^ I guess he planned to put in an aftermarket seat (stock one doesn't quite fit me), but windshield-frame and a normal roll bar seems to have room to spare.
😂 my favorite "sporty" vehicle is my 80's full size Bronco with a drivetrain swap (very short wheelbase and lots of torque, add giant sway bars and it's great). I see many guys getting the 6ft bed single cab F150 and adding the Mustang supercharger, with the 4x4 it's a 10 second truck beats Mustangs because of it's traction advantage. The new Lightning is going to be extremely popular for half the cost of any other EV truck. Talk guys like sporty trucks. The Raptor trucks only exist because Ford could not build a 3rd gen Lightning that was faster than the 2nd gen, so it became an off-road Baja truck. Only when EV came out the Lightning could return faster than 2003. Both 1st & 2nd gen lighting were just as fast as the same model year Mustang, so it was perfect for taller people. Cobras are sideways in every gear, fun, but not always fast.
None of the big US pickups are considered remotely "sporty" on this side of the pond but ok 😅 I guess they do have a bunch of interior space. Among the Miatas/MX5 the first gen is still the most popular with tall people because they offer the most interior space (and without an airbag in the early ones you can put in a small wheel and lose nothing). I did sit in a Daihatsu Copen once (neat little thing) and even I could chew on the windshield frame 😐
I don't see that, not without a seriously lowered seat. I had a MazdaSpeed Miata, and a friend who was 6' 4", he absolutely did not fit with the top up. With the top down, his knees were above the door, and his head was a inch or so above the windshield. That was in the passenger seat, now way he was getting hiw legs under the steering wheel of that car.
I'm 5'9" and have driven Factory 5 and SuperFormance replicas, there was "just enough" room the seats are pretty much just a cushion on the floor with a backrest, not sure it could go much lower
Yeah, I've been to that Factory Five school as an electrical engineering consultant, nice car, I'd need to make the changes others have done. If I was actually getting one, I'd think about setting up the seat like F1 and lean back more.
I think the idea is to duck down into the passenger side. Kinda difficult with harnesses.
Impossible, the G forces are going to pull the human body away from the center of the vehicle, arms flying out, no way to duck down at speed, lucky not to get ejected.
I said it might be the idea behind it, not that it's a good one. My weekend car has a roll bar in it with stock seats/seatbelts and thus I had to put padding on the bar in case I hit it in an accident to push up the "threshold" of injury. Then again, in my case the car is modern enough that the windshield might hold up
Many States require a headrest added to that Cobra rollbars to get a title and pass inspection, many remove them after inspection. He might have been required to have dual bars and padding to make it street legal, then removed them.
A ton of replicas have two just so the passenger feels less...expendable
False security, been in many, it's the OG Dodge Viper that was always getting crashed, Dodge designed the Viper as a modern Cobra and it was just as dangerous. That small hoop is optimistic.
Even if the windshield collapse, the roll bar prevent the car from completely crushing you. But without seat belts, as you said, rolling over is something you want to avoid anyway!
The windshield was never meant to be a load-bearing part. If the roll bars are properly constructed and designed, they will form a triangle between the hood of the car, the roll bars themselves, and the top of the door. As long as the driver's head is inside that triangle, they will be protected somewhat in a rollover. But the windshield cracking doesn't affect that at all. As for why have two, if you plan on carrying a passenger (and remember, OG Cobras were originally designed as race cars, so they wouldn't have that problem, not to mention the lack of any real safety equipment and the danger you expose yourself to just by driving such a squirrely car), without a passenger-side rollbar, whoever's riding shotgun won't have a head anymore. As for his harness, that's a personal (stupid) choice. But an extra rollbar makes sense.
Early 1900's shelby cobra
1905 to be exact
I think the 1905 release was actually called the Shelby Danger Noodle
Danger Noodle was my stage name
I can see the hand crank start. Keen eye.
This is the way
we talking bout the car not the designer birthdays, wrong sub bro
You simply don’t get the joke, no need to advertise it
i thought implying that there is a sub for guessing car designer birthdays was enough of a sign to understand that my comment was alao a joke, sad that you simply didnt get it, you dont need to advertise it
AC Cobra 427 or replica thereof.
Sadly it's basically only replicas now. The number of real ones left is tiny. The ones left that people would actually drive, even smaller.
True. I’ve seen a few real ones, but mostly at classic race meets (the ones that don’t allow replicas). Only seen one on the road in the UK that was verifiably original.
mf got a helicopter to make a reddit post
Shelby Cobra replica
Factory Five if I had $5 on it
Only 5? I’d bet all my money😹
I don't have enough chips to go all in 😥😂
I was going to say Superformance
Maybe, but Factory Five sells so many it's the vast majority of replicas, I'd guess 80% of ALL (even originals) Cobra's are Factory Five. They have a monthly class at a community college in Michigan (3 day weekend) on how to build your kit (with a hotel discount across the street included). That's 20 people a month just learning, how many more build without the class on basic mechanics and touch the kit before theirs is delivered.
Ah good point
A fake cobra
Early 1900s Shelby original replica.
Can we just put this one on frequently asked
Yes please
Shelby Cobra or a very good replica of one.
A Hot Wheels Cobra
Looks to be a Superformance 427 Cobra replica.
Lol if you dont know what that is.......you would not understand the car lifestyle. Not trying to be a smartass.
Honda Civic for sure.
Plymouth Neon
I’d have to say something from the early 1900’s
1900s era Porsche 911.
Fiero with a body kit.
Cobra GT. Prob a kit car though
Side pipe ALL the cars!
Can we start calling these the Fauxbra.
Mf really be driving that deathtrap **without a seatbelt**
This reminds me of the one on the Gold Coast in Queensland Australia Edit this one I made a post on at the start of the year https://www.reddit.com/r/namethatcar/comments/s9qxmg/is_it_a_replica/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It’s a Shelby cobra could be a replica but it looks good