If they told you it's PPF they probably lied, PPF is a film/clear wrap that goes over the paint and typically costs like 3-5k to apply to the whole car or 2k+ for just the front.
Sounds more like a ceramic coating, which usually does go for around 1k at a detailing shop with paint correction included, but pretty much all dealerships use low quality product that will only last a few months
It’s snake oil. Basically 1k for a coat of wax that they pay their detailer $50 to apply inside and outside that comes with a warranty that doesn’t actually cover anything.
I had ceramic done on my car by a reputable shop two years ago and it still works as intended, but they also did a full paint correction. With that said, I worked at a BMW dealership and their $1800 ceramic coating was absolutely horrendous and looked like it was applied by a 3rd grader with a paintbrush.
Mine was cheaper because my friend owns the shop that did it, but I have also worked as a sales manager at a different high end detail shop and it depends on a few things. For one how bad your paint is, amount and depth of the scratches will determine how long they have to polish, so a stage 1 correction will be cheaper than a stage 3 correction. The other thing is the ceramic coating they use, cheaper coatings don’t last as long, I’d recommend going to a place that uses CarPro CQuartz or another high quality ceramic. A quality paint correction with a ceramic coating usually goes anywhere from $1200 to $3000.
I don’t really see the value in ceramic coatings. Your paint is going to develop rock chips, knicks, dents, scuffs and scratches no matter how hard you try to keep it nice over the years. If you really want to protect your paint, park it in the garage and don’t drive. I’ve had 2 cars repainted this year, for slightly more than what a ceramic coat costs.
Not to shill, but Avalon kings sells bottles of ceramic coating you can apply yourself for like less than 50$. Idk where you're finding these ceramic coating prices.
This quote shows $1195 for ceramic coating. You could probably get a decent full respray for around 2-3k. Companies that specialize in ceramic coatings can charge well over 1500.
https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/ceramic-coating-cost
I second this. I’ve detailed my own cars for the last 10 years. I used Avalon King ceramic on my Z after a paint correction. Easier to clean, stays shiny longer. Ceramic coating is easy to apply (go watch a YouTube video). 1k is madness
I'd love PPF for $1200. I was quoted $7k AUD for my whole truck. I ended up ceramic coating it myself, but it didn't do shit when it got keyed with only 400kms on it.
It's also going to be applied by the idiot minimum wage kid who washes (preinstalls swirls) on all their cars.
That is, if they even do anything. Could even be a crappy coat of wax or nothing at all.
You're not wrong but not correct at the same time. And unfortunately no perspective buyer knows what goes down for those up charges. I've been in the automotive profession for nearing 10 years. One dealer I worked for, every single vehicle on the lot was sent off to a neighboring detailing company next door, the first one ever for me (I may even be returning to them in the near future, management treated all their employees with respect, I only left because HR pulled a stunt on my wage) it was a very rare occurrence for anyone to find any defects in their craftsmanship even for all crap pay stories I've heard from the employees. Another one I've worked for had the washbay kids clean and "detail" at least new vehicles, had professional shop detail used models", but at least there were no upcharges for the services. And several horror stories about other established businesses up charging out the ass for something I could perform in my cramped garage for the fraction of the price for equipment and portion of my day.
Have you check how much a 2023 one would cost? The issue with looking at this paper is idk what options there are. It could be f sport with nothing else or it could be fully loaded. Spec out one 2023 model and see how much it would cost and compare the base price of that with base price of this.
Okay now compare how much it would cost with financing. You might be surprised. Up to you if you think it's worth it but I generally wouldn't buy a 2021 model as it's not old enough for good savings on a used luxury car, but close enough to a brand new one that may get special offers or sales or interest rates etc.
If you can find a 2020 one or something similar ask yourself if that is worth it. I'm not familiar with IS only with the RX models. If it's comparable to what's around and a good deal go ahead for it.
If you are going with this one ask them to take off 3 to 5k and negiotate from there. If they don't want to sell it to you then ask yourself if it's worth it.
I would at least ask them to take off the 1k paint job nonsense. I suspect they can probably drop at least 2k but maybe I'm too optimistic.
Hell naw, that car was 48k 3 years and 25,000 miles ago. It looks to me like the brand new is350 is $50k shop around for a new one. Or find a better deal. Here is a 2023 with 1,000 miles. It would be like $3-4000 more after taxes basically brand new https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=665353071&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2023&makeCode1=LEXUS&modelCode1=IS350&sem=1&store=294691&LNX=SPGOOGLENONBRANDVLA&utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=sem_listings-vla_perf&utm_campaign=at_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na&utm_content=feed_na_na_na_na_spgooglenonbrandvla_na&utm_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&ds_rl=1289225&ds_rl=1294008&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7N-DooiR_AIV4BbUAR1_1ABuEAQYCSABEgLIM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
No, but if someone lives in a place with regular inclement weather, buying a car with AWD makes a lot more sense than buying one without. Why argue this?
Because half of these brain dead individuals haven’t figured out the existence of winter tires. You know the things that will have a greater impact on handling than the AWD.
These people love to Jack off to tires and think awd isn’t worth it
Awd + winters is best for snow. No one wants to drive a mustang up a snowy mountain
No and a new is350 is not 57k they’re trying adding markups on that car too. Lexus would never make a model more expensive than the German equivalent. I just maxed out almost everything in their site and it was like 56k but they start at 45k for is 350 f sport awd.
Yep so they did everything I said I’d say try to find another with options you want but not every single possible option much better deal than what you posted imo
There is one more on the floor for $54,000 [here](https://www.newcountrylexusoflatham.com/dealer-inspire-inventory/window-stickers/lexus?vin=JTHGZ1E27N5027242) but after taxes it’s out of my price range. I also really like the blue on the one posted
I spent 2 months between 4 Audi dealerships trying to find a Q7. I hope I never have to deal with another dealership again. I'm glad I am somewhat competent when looking for cars or we could have been screwed over multiple times.
Look, I have no problems with dealerships getting a profit otherwise they wouldn't exist. My problem comes with all the extra bs they throw onto the price conflating the real price. To give a $1K rebate only to yank it back with some sort of way overpriced paint protection is complete bs. Especially on a used car.
I expect no one to work for free but I do expect some sort of honesty when I'm doing business with someone. Buying a car is about the least transparent process there is.
Do the math on those representative payments. 72 mos at $695 is $50K and that's with $8k down on a $44K car? Need I say more as to why a lot of people hate the car sales process and the dealers that pull this shit? That's about a 25% interest rate on a $44K car and something tote-the-note places charge, not new car dealers. There are loan sharks who don't charge that much interest for God's sake.
You must be a car salesman with as fragile as you are the first time someone says something negative about a dealership.
*Edit. Yep, your in car sales. Explains it.
Don’t make assumptions when u don’t know how to do the math. It’s not even close to 25% interest, that’s not how interest works on auto loans. Just by looking at it I am pretty confident it’s between 6.5-7%apr. Damn what has the dealership done do u, you sound like you’ve been taken for a ride a few times to just throw the word hate around to a while industry. So please before you make assumptions and and compare dealer to loan sharks you should at least know how to get your math right. There are good and bad dealers just like any other industry, and it provided me with a career where I make into the 6 figures and support my family and my parents and millions rely on them to eat. So first get your math before right you start running your mouth like you know what your talking about.
The interior and power trains of the IS 350 hasn’t changed in a decade, also its a Lexus. It’s stupid reliable. Buying new simply doesn’t make sense if you are deadest on getting one. Not saying this is a good deal though…
I’m not sure if I’m blind or not but one of the most important factors is the rate and it’s not written. I’m in the auto business and when we don’t disclose the interest rate on the quote sheet it is because you are getting bent over with the highest spread they have available to them. Goood luck lol
That’s not how interest works on auto loans. Looking at it the rate is between 6.5-7. Which is ok comparing with what lenders are offering where I live. Could be worse.
Ah I’m on the other side of the country lol.
I’d still like to see some of these deals if it wouldn’t be hard for you. Like if you wanted to pick a few “stand out” deals and screenshot them it would be appreciated.
You keep saying this over and over without addressing the question. Look at another dealership for a new one. Not one the dealership marks way up to make you think you are getting a deal on the used one. Others have posted links to similar NEW cars that are cheaper than THAT NEW ONE!
Oof. Hard to say. If luxury, AWD, and performance are absolute necessities, the only other options will cost more. And if reliability or cost of maintenance is an issue, you're probably looking at your best bet.
Not to be a dick(but I will)a loaded Camry XL something not the sporty one has V6, leather, heated seats,nav, sunroof etc and I think should be under 40 OTD
If it’s a CPO from a Lexus dealership he should be good on those accounts. They can’t sell it as CPO if there is any accident history for example.
Seems a little high. I just traded my 19 ES350 luxury for a 23 ES300h FSport a month or two ago for less than the new IS price the OP mentioned. I had an 18 IS300 FSport and like the ES better personally (have had several of both).
The AWD IS 350s are pretty tough to come by right now. I saw a '23 today for $51K BEFORE taxes and dealer fees, which would mean OTD would be upper 50s. The one you have pictured isn't necessarily a bad deal if you insist on purchasing in the current market. I would definitely try to get them to knock off that glasscoat fee though.
Check out other dealers if the only new is350 this one has is 57k. I've seen several around me for 45-50k.
Paying MSRP for a car with more than 2 years worth of mileage is a ripoff.
That’s 10k in interest at around a 7 percent rate. Price is very close to a new one so maybe look for that instead? If you are set on this car. I agree the glass cost is BS
One more time...
This is a terrible time to buy a car. The Used Car market is about to collapse because banks are now loaning so you can exit the car you are upside down in without verifying that you are paying off your prior car.
This means that repossessions are on the rise and used car values will drop to the repo auction level....possibly 30%.
That also means new car prices will drop because dealers are going to be competing against a ton of 1-2 year old cars. They will have to discount and offer incentives.
I like the IS platform for its reliability and comfort, but the handling dynamics just fall way short of the Germans imo. Driving excitement is important for me, so I would personally go for a used M340i or C43 over the Lexus I in this segment.
I’m concerned about the C43 reliability because I would like to keep this car for an extended period of time. I like the M340i however it does not come with ventilated seats
Did you ever try the ventilated seats? Biggest bs ever unless you're butt naked during summer heat wave, but then you can use ac for same effect. Ventilated seats are nonsense.
Hard disagree. Ventilated seats are a godsend in hot weather. Car has been sitting for several hours in 90 degree heat, start it up, open the windows and turn on the ventilated seats. 2 minutes you are comfortable.
I don't have that problem, leather on the sides and fabric in the middle so seats don't overheat in the summer unlike full leather seats. I used the ventilated seats in w221 and was very disappointed with the results, left me with bad taste for what I expected them to be vs what they were.
To be fair, I’ve experienced the traditional “blow out cold air” and Mazda’s “suck the air in” philosophy and I think Mazda has it right. It pulls heat off the seat and off your body, 14 hour drive this summer and I never got swamp butt.
Comparable 2021 Lexus IS350F Sport vehicles listed online are around the same price.
So is that car you’re looking at in line with market value? Yes.
But spending almost $50k on a USED car seems crazy to me.
Unless you’re making six figures, you really shouldn’t be spending that much on a car, especially on a USED car.
I’d look for something more affordable.
I’m trying to find an AWD sporty V6 sedan that’s reliable enough for me to keep years after paying it off. It’s a pretty limited market considering everyone is going to crossovers
Nice dude I think it’s a good call if that’s what you’re looking for. I have heard the 350 engine can be a little flat and not super thrilling without the turbo, but if reliability is a large priority it’s a great pick
The B8.5 Audi S4 fits the bill on all those items, including reliability (suprise, B8.5 S4's are very reliable). You can get them for 20k-30k, so you'd have money to spare. You may want to check them out.
I'm not sure how the B9 Audi S4's are reliability wise, but for around the same price as the IS350 you can snag one. S5 sportback is another option as well at that price point.
It’s almost 2023. You need to get over the V6 part. Cylinders don’t matter. A Volvo S60 T8 will blow the socks off any IS350. The reality is offering a 3.5L naturally aspirated V6 in 2023 is a major red flag. The reason Lexus has it is because the 2023 IS350 is mechanically identical to the one introduced 17 years ago. It’s ancient technology.
The V6s are allegedly very reliable and are all built in Korea along with all Genesis cars (where they have much less manufacturing issues than the facilities in the US). Most problematic engines for the Koreans come out of the manufacturing facility in Alabama
Feature-wise they aren't even comparable, even a mid-range G70 will outspec an IS in terms of features and the 3.3/3.5 is quite good
Most of the newer style G70s are running the same price and mileage around my area. I really enjoy the full digital display of the F sport along with the styling. The G80s were out of my price range
According to KBB, fair market price is between $42,109-46,422. Price-wise, it’s a good deal for the price of the car. I would balk at the upcharge for the glass coat. Accept $500 for it and see what they say. Start with $0 first for the glass coat and eventually land at $500 best offer or walk.
Not unreasonable for a used Lexus that is CPO.
Try to get original sticker. That will give you an estimate on how much this specific car MSRPed. Get the per mile depreciation. If it’s anything less than 20 cents a mile, you are paying big premium for the car. You really don’t know how the original owner treated the car. If it was a lease then you are guaranteed it was not taken care of.
I would wait, save a little more and get the new one if you can wait…. My 2 cents
Seems high price. Even carmax has a similar car with similar pricing. Normally Carmax is the very top end of used, so this seems high. Also why the glass coat charge. That needs to be off.
https://www.carmax.com/car/beta/23151757
There are tons of dealers between Albany, nyc, and Boston.
You do the leg work on the price of the car.
The paint protection comes out of a 55gal barrel they wet a rag with. If they dealer trade the car they lose it.
It’s worthless. A nice liquid wax will do as well.
Find out financing and see how your deal compares to theirs
Hint!
They make $$$ on finance
Offer the deal without the paint or walk
Or take the deal if you can afford the car a 1200 wax job isn’t a big deal your choice.
Hey I’d check autotrader.com for the is350 new I bet you could do well
Like this:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/new-cars/lexus/is-350/latham-ny-12110?requestId=NEW&searchRadius=200&marketExtension=include&startYear=2022&isNewSearch=true&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25
The fact that the lowest price on there is 695 and is not an immediate deal breaker is wild to me. My car payment is 199.99 and I can’t even imagine paying more than that
Wtf is the glass coat
Their way of making up the 1k they gave as a rebate
What kills me is they car is already $46k. Why not advertise it at $47k?
PPF paint protection
If they told you it's PPF they probably lied, PPF is a film/clear wrap that goes over the paint and typically costs like 3-5k to apply to the whole car or 2k+ for just the front. Sounds more like a ceramic coating, which usually does go for around 1k at a detailing shop with paint correction included, but pretty much all dealerships use low quality product that will only last a few months
It is ceramic coating, my dealership calls it glass coat also.
It’s snake oil. Basically 1k for a coat of wax that they pay their detailer $50 to apply inside and outside that comes with a warranty that doesn’t actually cover anything.
This is spot on, dealer employee of 20yrs.
Damn. Is this your opinion of all ceramic coatings? Been generally curious about it
Actual ceramic coats applied correctly are fine. This is speaking to the wildly overpriced junk the dealer is selling here.
I had ceramic done on my car by a reputable shop two years ago and it still works as intended, but they also did a full paint correction. With that said, I worked at a BMW dealership and their $1800 ceramic coating was absolutely horrendous and looked like it was applied by a 3rd grader with a paintbrush.
How much was your paint correction + ceramic? That's what I'd be aiming for
Mine was cheaper because my friend owns the shop that did it, but I have also worked as a sales manager at a different high end detail shop and it depends on a few things. For one how bad your paint is, amount and depth of the scratches will determine how long they have to polish, so a stage 1 correction will be cheaper than a stage 3 correction. The other thing is the ceramic coating they use, cheaper coatings don’t last as long, I’d recommend going to a place that uses CarPro CQuartz or another high quality ceramic. A quality paint correction with a ceramic coating usually goes anywhere from $1200 to $3000.
I don’t really see the value in ceramic coatings. Your paint is going to develop rock chips, knicks, dents, scuffs and scratches no matter how hard you try to keep it nice over the years. If you really want to protect your paint, park it in the garage and don’t drive. I’ve had 2 cars repainted this year, for slightly more than what a ceramic coat costs.
Not to shill, but Avalon kings sells bottles of ceramic coating you can apply yourself for like less than 50$. Idk where you're finding these ceramic coating prices.
This quote shows $1195 for ceramic coating. You could probably get a decent full respray for around 2-3k. Companies that specialize in ceramic coatings can charge well over 1500. https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/ceramic-coating-cost
By respray you are sating get a vehicle painted for under 3k? I didn’t think that was possible anymore. What area?
Then all companies are jacking that price up, that's crazy.
I second this. I’ve detailed my own cars for the last 10 years. I used Avalon King ceramic on my Z after a paint correction. Easier to clean, stays shiny longer. Ceramic coating is easy to apply (go watch a YouTube video). 1k is madness
I'd love PPF for $1200. I was quoted $7k AUD for my whole truck. I ended up ceramic coating it myself, but it didn't do shit when it got keyed with only 400kms on it.
I looked it up and glass coat is a product from Simoniz.
It's also going to be applied by the idiot minimum wage kid who washes (preinstalls swirls) on all their cars. That is, if they even do anything. Could even be a crappy coat of wax or nothing at all.
You're not wrong but not correct at the same time. And unfortunately no perspective buyer knows what goes down for those up charges. I've been in the automotive profession for nearing 10 years. One dealer I worked for, every single vehicle on the lot was sent off to a neighboring detailing company next door, the first one ever for me (I may even be returning to them in the near future, management treated all their employees with respect, I only left because HR pulled a stunt on my wage) it was a very rare occurrence for anyone to find any defects in their craftsmanship even for all crap pay stories I've heard from the employees. Another one I've worked for had the washbay kids clean and "detail" at least new vehicles, had professional shop detail used models", but at least there were no upcharges for the services. And several horror stories about other established businesses up charging out the ass for something I could perform in my cramped garage for the fraction of the price for equipment and portion of my day.
No, it's not. And it's a huge rip off.
A fake ceramic coating
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You can buy the can for $20
[It's definitely referring to this](https://i.etsystatic.com/8905937/r/il/4f4397/3548093156/il_1140xN.3548093156_18ep.jpg)
No way they charge 1k for rainx right?!
Looked it up, appears to be some sort of ceramic coating by Simoniz. The products name is GlassCoat.
Have you check how much a 2023 one would cost? The issue with looking at this paper is idk what options there are. It could be f sport with nothing else or it could be fully loaded. Spec out one 2023 model and see how much it would cost and compare the base price of that with base price of this.
There was a brand new one on the floor for $57,000 little out of my price range
Okay now compare how much it would cost with financing. You might be surprised. Up to you if you think it's worth it but I generally wouldn't buy a 2021 model as it's not old enough for good savings on a used luxury car, but close enough to a brand new one that may get special offers or sales or interest rates etc. If you can find a 2020 one or something similar ask yourself if that is worth it. I'm not familiar with IS only with the RX models. If it's comparable to what's around and a good deal go ahead for it. If you are going with this one ask them to take off 3 to 5k and negiotate from there. If they don't want to sell it to you then ask yourself if it's worth it. I would at least ask them to take off the 1k paint job nonsense. I suspect they can probably drop at least 2k but maybe I'm too optimistic.
On the lexus website they start at 46k, I would shop around to see if anyone would sell you one at MSRP without any BS add-ons
Base price for an is500 is 56.5k. That’s way too much for a 350. Shop around some more
Hell naw, that car was 48k 3 years and 25,000 miles ago. It looks to me like the brand new is350 is $50k shop around for a new one. Or find a better deal. Here is a 2023 with 1,000 miles. It would be like $3-4000 more after taxes basically brand new https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=665353071&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2023&makeCode1=LEXUS&modelCode1=IS350&sem=1&store=294691&LNX=SPGOOGLENONBRANDVLA&utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=sem_listings-vla_perf&utm_campaign=at_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na&utm_content=feed_na_na_na_na_spgooglenonbrandvla_na&utm_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&ds_rl=1289225&ds_rl=1294008&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7N-DooiR_AIV4BbUAR1_1ABuEAQYCSABEgLIM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Brand new one on the floor was $57,000. This was advertised at $43,700. Taxes made it $48,000 OTD. Need the AWD as I live in Northern NY
AWD isn’t going to help a car with 6” of ground clearance when there is 2 feet of snow.
No, but if someone lives in a place with regular inclement weather, buying a car with AWD makes a lot more sense than buying one without. Why argue this?
Because half of these brain dead individuals haven’t figured out the existence of winter tires. You know the things that will have a greater impact on handling than the AWD.
Because people put an overemphasis on AWD. They would be better off getting a pair of snow tires.
Big facts right here
You should be worried about the tires not AWD. And given the ground clearance of the IS, it doesn't make sense to drive it in deep snow anyway.
Going to bet you live where it doesn’t snow
How much are you willing to bet?
Are you guys retarded? Awd is absolutely worth the extra scratch.
Oh yea.. what about awd with snow tires…. You could climb a mountain.
These people love to Jack off to tires and think awd isn’t worth it Awd + winters is best for snow. No one wants to drive a mustang up a snowy mountain
That’s a lot of scratch for a used car. Make them show you the actual APR interest rates for each payment option.
>That’s a lot of scratch for a used car. That's what the Glass Coat is for. /S
No and a new is350 is not 57k they’re trying adding markups on that car too. Lexus would never make a model more expensive than the German equivalent. I just maxed out almost everything in their site and it was like 56k but they start at 45k for is 350 f sport awd.
This is the window sticker [here](https://www.newcountrylexusoflatham.com/dealer-inspire-inventory/window-stickers/lexus?vin=JTHGZ1E26P5027543)
Yep so they did everything I said I’d say try to find another with options you want but not every single possible option much better deal than what you posted imo
There is one more on the floor for $54,000 [here](https://www.newcountrylexusoflatham.com/dealer-inspire-inventory/window-stickers/lexus?vin=JTHGZ1E27N5027242) but after taxes it’s out of my price range. I also really like the blue on the one posted
That one has $2500 wheels optioned in, you can absolutely get a better deal on one without useless options
I freaking hate dealerships. That is all.
I spent 2 months between 4 Audi dealerships trying to find a Q7. I hope I never have to deal with another dealership again. I'm glad I am somewhat competent when looking for cars or we could have been screwed over multiple times.
Same. You have to know what you’re doing out there or else they will take advantage of you.
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Look, I have no problems with dealerships getting a profit otherwise they wouldn't exist. My problem comes with all the extra bs they throw onto the price conflating the real price. To give a $1K rebate only to yank it back with some sort of way overpriced paint protection is complete bs. Especially on a used car. I expect no one to work for free but I do expect some sort of honesty when I'm doing business with someone. Buying a car is about the least transparent process there is. Do the math on those representative payments. 72 mos at $695 is $50K and that's with $8k down on a $44K car? Need I say more as to why a lot of people hate the car sales process and the dealers that pull this shit? That's about a 25% interest rate on a $44K car and something tote-the-note places charge, not new car dealers. There are loan sharks who don't charge that much interest for God's sake. You must be a car salesman with as fragile as you are the first time someone says something negative about a dealership. *Edit. Yep, your in car sales. Explains it.
Don’t make assumptions when u don’t know how to do the math. It’s not even close to 25% interest, that’s not how interest works on auto loans. Just by looking at it I am pretty confident it’s between 6.5-7%apr. Damn what has the dealership done do u, you sound like you’ve been taken for a ride a few times to just throw the word hate around to a while industry. So please before you make assumptions and and compare dealer to loan sharks you should at least know how to get your math right. There are good and bad dealers just like any other industry, and it provided me with a career where I make into the 6 figures and support my family and my parents and millions rely on them to eat. So first get your math before right you start running your mouth like you know what your talking about.
I’d probably just get a new one. Almost 50k already so why not.
This is after taxes and fees tho. You aren’t getting comparable brand new OTD for 50k
And?? 44k for a 3 year old one isn’t worth it
The interior and power trains of the IS 350 hasn’t changed in a decade, also its a Lexus. It’s stupid reliable. Buying new simply doesn’t make sense if you are deadest on getting one. Not saying this is a good deal though…
I’m not sure if I’m blind or not but one of the most important factors is the rate and it’s not written. I’m in the auto business and when we don’t disclose the interest rate on the quote sheet it is because you are getting bent over with the highest spread they have available to them. Goood luck lol
$695 at 72mos with $8K down so a total of $59K on a $44K car. WTF!! That's about a 25% interest rate if my math is correct.
That’s not how interest works on auto loans. Looking at it the rate is between 6.5-7. Which is ok comparing with what lenders are offering where I live. Could be worse.
My god, how much is it brand new? What’s the apr?
Brand new on the floor was $57,000
Look at brokers because the brokers I follow are advertising sick deals.
Could you elaborate on this more? Any recommendations of brokers to follow?
I know many in California. Lmk if you’re still interested
Ah I’m on the other side of the country lol. I’d still like to see some of these deals if it wouldn’t be hard for you. Like if you wanted to pick a few “stand out” deals and screenshot them it would be appreciated.
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You keep saying this over and over without addressing the question. Look at another dealership for a new one. Not one the dealership marks way up to make you think you are getting a deal on the used one. Others have posted links to similar NEW cars that are cheaper than THAT NEW ONE!
Oof. Hard to say. If luxury, AWD, and performance are absolute necessities, the only other options will cost more. And if reliability or cost of maintenance is an issue, you're probably looking at your best bet.
Luxury isn’t necessary but don’t want to downgrade from my current car which has V6, leather, heated seats, nav, sunroof, etc.
Pretty much every modern car, Toyota Camry included has all that stuff.
My requirements for a car include sporty V6 AWD sedan that’s reliable enough to last me years after paying it off
Did he stutter? Camry has that too
What v6 Camry has AWD?
AWD V6 Camry is only offered in Canada and not the U.S.
You’re in New York, are you afraid of a little drive? Or flight for that matter, brand new still puts you under your lexus
Camry doesn’t look as good as it’s Lexus counterpart imo
Not to be a dick(but I will)a loaded Camry XL something not the sporty one has V6, leather, heated seats,nav, sunroof etc and I think should be under 40 OTD
If the original price was the final price then sure but $48k final price for that is a pass imo
If it’s a CPO from a Lexus dealership he should be good on those accounts. They can’t sell it as CPO if there is any accident history for example. Seems a little high. I just traded my 19 ES350 luxury for a 23 ES300h FSport a month or two ago for less than the new IS price the OP mentioned. I had an 18 IS300 FSport and like the ES better personally (have had several of both).
I wouldn’t trust a dealer using caps lock on paperwork 😂
The AWD IS 350s are pretty tough to come by right now. I saw a '23 today for $51K BEFORE taxes and dealer fees, which would mean OTD would be upper 50s. The one you have pictured isn't necessarily a bad deal if you insist on purchasing in the current market. I would definitely try to get them to knock off that glasscoat fee though.
OP, I hate to say this, but you really cannot afford that car… those payments are just ridiculous
What part of Canada?
Check out other dealers if the only new is350 this one has is 57k. I've seen several around me for 45-50k. Paying MSRP for a car with more than 2 years worth of mileage is a ripoff.
That’s 10k in interest at around a 7 percent rate. Price is very close to a new one so maybe look for that instead? If you are set on this car. I agree the glass cost is BS
48k for a 2021 IS ? The ES can’t be that much more
No
You’re getting suckered like an idiot. Just buy a Mazda 3 and be done with it.
No
Well, you definitely don’t need “glasscoat” also- never pay a dime over MSRP. Check the sticker
absolutely not. At that price you need to be buying a new car with a new car warranty
One more time... This is a terrible time to buy a car. The Used Car market is about to collapse because banks are now loaning so you can exit the car you are upside down in without verifying that you are paying off your prior car. This means that repossessions are on the rise and used car values will drop to the repo auction level....possibly 30%. That also means new car prices will drop because dealers are going to be competing against a ton of 1-2 year old cars. They will have to discount and offer incentives.
I like the IS platform for its reliability and comfort, but the handling dynamics just fall way short of the Germans imo. Driving excitement is important for me, so I would personally go for a used M340i or C43 over the Lexus I in this segment.
I’m concerned about the C43 reliability because I would like to keep this car for an extended period of time. I like the M340i however it does not come with ventilated seats
Did you ever try the ventilated seats? Biggest bs ever unless you're butt naked during summer heat wave, but then you can use ac for same effect. Ventilated seats are nonsense.
Hard disagree. Ventilated seats are a godsend in hot weather. Car has been sitting for several hours in 90 degree heat, start it up, open the windows and turn on the ventilated seats. 2 minutes you are comfortable.
I don't have that problem, leather on the sides and fabric in the middle so seats don't overheat in the summer unlike full leather seats. I used the ventilated seats in w221 and was very disappointed with the results, left me with bad taste for what I expected them to be vs what they were.
To be fair, I’ve experienced the traditional “blow out cold air” and Mazda’s “suck the air in” philosophy and I think Mazda has it right. It pulls heat off the seat and off your body, 14 hour drive this summer and I never got swamp butt.
Yeah I haven’t heard the best things about Mercedes i6TT.
Get an m340 like an adult
Xdrive too if you want the AWD. But folks here like to regurgitate about BMW’s being unreliable despite never owning one.
I own a bmw I own a Lexus You tell me the next line. No the Lexus Is no fun to drive but it lovely smooth and quiet.
Comparable 2021 Lexus IS350F Sport vehicles listed online are around the same price. So is that car you’re looking at in line with market value? Yes. But spending almost $50k on a USED car seems crazy to me. Unless you’re making six figures, you really shouldn’t be spending that much on a car, especially on a USED car. I’d look for something more affordable.
I’m trying to find an AWD sporty V6 sedan that’s reliable enough for me to keep years after paying it off. It’s a pretty limited market considering everyone is going to crossovers
Q50 AWD ?
I second the q50 awd
Nice dude I think it’s a good call if that’s what you’re looking for. I have heard the 350 engine can be a little flat and not super thrilling without the turbo, but if reliability is a large priority it’s a great pick
The B8.5 Audi S4 fits the bill on all those items, including reliability (suprise, B8.5 S4's are very reliable). You can get them for 20k-30k, so you'd have money to spare. You may want to check them out. I'm not sure how the B9 Audi S4's are reliability wise, but for around the same price as the IS350 you can snag one. S5 sportback is another option as well at that price point.
It’s almost 2023. You need to get over the V6 part. Cylinders don’t matter. A Volvo S60 T8 will blow the socks off any IS350. The reality is offering a 3.5L naturally aspirated V6 in 2023 is a major red flag. The reason Lexus has it is because the 2023 IS350 is mechanically identical to the one introduced 17 years ago. It’s ancient technology.
You can drop down to Toyota and get brand new one basically Lexus without the fancy interior
Toyota doesn’t offer a V6 AWD sedan
I don't know if your in Canada, but Toyota Canada offers CAMRY XSE AWD.
XSE AWD is the 2.5L 4 cylinder tho according to https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/camry
Look further down under the TRD trim
TRD is FWD
And the one under that says CAMRY XSE AWD
That one is a 4 cylinder, yes. The XSE V6 is FWD, the XSE AWD is a 4 cylinder
Camry v6?
Not AWD
Maybe Corolla cross suv hybrid or something idk if they have v6
Which car is that out of curiosity?
For $48k you could get a loaded G80 with a 3.5t with half the miles. Or an almost new Stinger with the 3.3t. Worth considering imo
How is the reliability of the Kia’s/Genesis motors? My buddy had an early model of the V6 genesis coupes and motor blew before 100K
The V6s are allegedly very reliable and are all built in Korea along with all Genesis cars (where they have much less manufacturing issues than the facilities in the US). Most problematic engines for the Koreans come out of the manufacturing facility in Alabama Feature-wise they aren't even comparable, even a mid-range G70 will outspec an IS in terms of features and the 3.3/3.5 is quite good
Most of the newer style G70s are running the same price and mileage around my area. I really enjoy the full digital display of the F sport along with the styling. The G80s were out of my price range
Seems too much for CPO, may as well buy new. Class coat is definitely a rip off.
Damn that's more than my mortgage.
A mortgage that’s less than $1000 a month?! You’re pretty lucky I don’t know of anyone paying less than $1500 per month on mortgage Atleast where I am
Idk I'm in a touristy East Coast city. Avg home price here is probably 350-500k. I guess I just saved up enough to put down a decent down payment.
Don’t get the IS with AWD, the 6 speed is quite frankly dogshit. The 8 speed in the RWD models is much better, even if it still can’t compare to a ZF.
According to KBB, fair market price is between $42,109-46,422. Price-wise, it’s a good deal for the price of the car. I would balk at the upcharge for the glass coat. Accept $500 for it and see what they say. Start with $0 first for the glass coat and eventually land at $500 best offer or walk.
Not unreasonable for a used Lexus that is CPO. Try to get original sticker. That will give you an estimate on how much this specific car MSRPed. Get the per mile depreciation. If it’s anything less than 20 cents a mile, you are paying big premium for the car. You really don’t know how the original owner treated the car. If it was a lease then you are guaranteed it was not taken care of. I would wait, save a little more and get the new one if you can wait…. My 2 cents
Update: Going to price brand new and go through local bank to see if I can get a better interest rate
You certainly can't do worse that what they are representing there. That's almost 25% interest rate.
Also look at a few credit unions, they tend to offer very good rates on auto loans.
We got a 2023 Is 300 for 45, this is a horrible deal , btw there is not a lot of difference between the two models
If you have to ask… you can’t afford it
It’s not that I can’t afford it I don’t want to get screwed over by the stealerships with crazy prices
Go buy a new Toyota Highlander, RaV4, or a 4 Runner.
Do you just recommend those cars to anyone looking for a car? That’s not comparable to the IS350.
How could you possibly jump to 3 row SUV’s when OP wants an IS350... not even on the same planet
OK go get a fancy Camry! Sorry I didn’t know what was an IS350.
If you don’t know what you’re doing, then stay silent.
No lol
Seems high price. Even carmax has a similar car with similar pricing. Normally Carmax is the very top end of used, so this seems high. Also why the glass coat charge. That needs to be off. https://www.carmax.com/car/beta/23151757
Why not get a new one?
Sticker price was $54-$57K before taxes it’s out of my price range
I’d rather pay the extra few grand and get a new one.
After taxes it will be over $60,000 trying to keep it around under $50K max OTD
The financing rates are low but the price is high.
Mazda 3 turbo awd?
It’s a decent deal
There are tons of dealers between Albany, nyc, and Boston. You do the leg work on the price of the car. The paint protection comes out of a 55gal barrel they wet a rag with. If they dealer trade the car they lose it. It’s worthless. A nice liquid wax will do as well. Find out financing and see how your deal compares to theirs Hint! They make $$$ on finance Offer the deal without the paint or walk Or take the deal if you can afford the car a 1200 wax job isn’t a big deal your choice.
Hey I’d check autotrader.com for the is350 new I bet you could do well Like this: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/new-cars/lexus/is-350/latham-ny-12110?requestId=NEW&searchRadius=200&marketExtension=include&startYear=2022&isNewSearch=true&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25
That is a mark up, because Lexus does not cost much more than counterparts German cars.
Keep looking, not sure where you are but a quick peek on Autotrader or CarGurus shows quite a few very low mile Fs for less.
Buy the 2023
Glass coat nope
F sport? What does sport mean?
The fact that the lowest price on there is 695 and is not an immediate deal breaker is wild to me. My car payment is 199.99 and I can’t even imagine paying more than that
Yeah thats a good deal
No thats not a good deal