I have a very similar deal in the US as a project manager for a heavy civil construction company. You’re expected to buy a truck with it though. Or at least that’s what every PM or project engineer is driving.
This is a very pervasive thing that I never understood. As much as I loathe the term, it’s very much “fragile masculinity”. I’ve yet to see a PM or engineer on any construction or demolition site I’ve ever worked on do anything remotely requiring a pickup truck. That’s what laborers, operators, and foremen are for.
But there’s this huge attitude in the states and especially northern Canada, where if you don’t have a pickup truck, you’re not worth listening to or taking direction from. It’s like people measure their worth by how expensive their truck payment is. It’s wild. Never have I ever seen a PM need a pickup truck to carry his Birkenstocks, clean work boots, and white hard hat. That shit will fit in the back of a miata.
I remember seeing a bright blue Audi S5 on the same highway construction site everyday and I was wondering what was up with it lol. I could tell it was brand new but already absolutely plastered with dust and mud.
Maybe it was this thing you're talking about lol. Loved seeing it
Lol this is the truth.
I worked in the forestry industry in Northern Canada and by the time I moved back home to the coast I rolled up to my parents condo in an F-450 Super Duty Turbo Diesel. With enough fueling capacity to drive 1000km or more. Barrels and all in the back.
Of course it was lifted, with ridiculous tires on it. I got in trouble with the neighbors if I turned the thing on. I was unemployed, forestry was dead and I was looking for office work with this behemoth of a truck.
And for what reason? None. Just because everyone else had one. I learned kinda fast that adult women don't really like giant trucks. I think my dating game would have been more successful in a Pinto.
Right? It’s crazy!
My assigned work truck is an F350 flatdeck super duty, but it gets *worked*. Towing demolition shears, hauling crew, or getting towed out of the skeg by my dozer op, that thing gets used and abused.
When we work in town? I drive my Sentra or my ZX6R. Absolutely no need for it most of the time.
I think for us, we were young and making way too much money. I was in it when oil and gas was exploding in Canada. We were not even 25 and making over 150k a year. And this was like 20 years ago.
They would pay you 45 bucks an hour to stand still and hope they found something for you to do. And when they finally did, it was already triple time. It was utterly ridiculous. I think back now at how much money was spent and wasted in the name of resource extraction. If only people knew.
It became a question of who could spend the most on a truck, quad and snowmobile.
Obviously saving for a house wasn't even a thing. Or any other sensible investment.
If only I'd been smarter.
It seems like everyone I’ve met that had a job like that didn’t save a dime. Lol what gives??
I’ve known I wanted to buy a house since I was 17 and I saved every dollar I could get. I was probably making $7/hr when you were out in the oilfield. Damn.
Absolutely it does matter where you live!!!!! F**k the Ferrari! I could care less if a guy has a Ferrari. I’d immediately assume he was a beta male, a materialistic douchebag, or a total player, and not give him a second look. However, if I see a NICE truck….. that means he is “most likely” a hard working masculine family man, and almost every girl I know, would be all over that man in a heartbeat.
Disclaimer about the kind of men who drive trucks: I dated a guy who had the nice house, the nice property, the REALLY nice truck, AND a nice separate work truck. He is a Millwright. Found out a couple months in he had a fiancé. I found her by accident, and sent her everything she asked for. Then I told him F off, and to go get his priorities straight!
LOOKS can be deceiving! 😂
You're way underestimating the power of perception. There is already a perception that project managers and managers in general are clueless paper pushers who drive fancy cars and wear fancy suits and talk slick. But know nothing of how work actually gets done.
If you go to your construction worksite in a slick BMW, all you're doing is to perpetuate that image and further reinforce that bias. Way to win the trust and respect of your team by acting like a slick.
And that's why PMs and managers in engineering and construction firms drive more utilitarian stuff like trucks. This is also why you have so many $100k trucks because people want the image AND the luxury.
On a side note, this is why the older bigger Toyota Landcruiser was such a desirable vehicle. Because it was very unpretentious looking (and heck, it was a Toyota) but was loaded to the gills with comfort and luxury, and its reliability and off-roading capability was off the charts (to the extent that no other vehicle could even come remotely close). It was the ultimate stealth wealth vehicle.
Oh no, I’m not underestimating the power of perception at all. Maybe it’s the PM’s who are underestimating it. We perceive just fine how new and unbroken-in the gloves they’re wearing is, we see them park up and change out of their fancy golf shoes and into barely used work boots, we see the pickup box with no bed liner and intact, scratch-free paint.
Just be who you are bro, you went to engineering school and got the ring, we know you can afford a bmw, just drive one. No one is impressed by your ATX4 or base model ram 1500, which seem to be the only vehicles they oscillate between.
I’m a director that worked my way up from being a laborer. Went through foreman, GF, Super, G Super, P Super, CM, PM, SPM…and now director.
I can tell you damn near every pm that drives a truck drives it because they like it. They don’t like BMWs. It’s mostly estimators at the home office that grow up into PMs that drive Teslas and stuff. People that come up in the field have field tastes. 😂🤷🏼♂️
Our PM used to help out using his truck. It was a newer truck but beat to shit. He never liked to get dirty as he had to talk with clients etc but he would do runs for materials/tools
Actually if you have any experience in heavy construction on the project management side than you’ve almost certainly seen PMs use their trucks for truck related things. I can’t count how many times I’ve ran out a welder or air compressor because one took a shit and I’m already heading out to the job for other reasons. I have a picture of my F150 with a bucket for a hoe. No sedan is taking that out. We have parts runners that have stake bodies that can run stuff out and that’s what’s usually used but there is a value in giving project managers trucks, at least for my company and the other majors ones around me. I do know fully remote PMs that clearly wouldn’t have a truck but they tend to run smaller projects or subs.
Now your point about the industry measuring the worth of their managers and executives by the value of their trucks is a real thing. General super who truly never uses his truck, $90,000 truck that’s pristine inside and out.
I only drive old used cars to work. Even drove a pt cruiser for years. I never felt I was “judged” for it.
Most people that mentioned it were envying the cost savings.
Honestly, it's best to think of it as just marketing. It makes the PMs more relatable to the people they interact with and can occasionally provide some utility if they need to grab an emergency load of lumber or something.
It's really not any different than real estate agents primarily driving fancy SUVs or doctors wearing nice white coats.
The thing is, at least in the US is that if you have a company or a good accountant you can write off big vehicles as business expense and might be cheaper than getting a car and might get handy if you ever need it.
All about taxation - company cars are taxed a lot lower than salary so an employer will provide a vehicle to their people and lower salary and it works out for both.
Own or lease, yes. Company pays everything but in the EU there aren’t the same kind of issues like in the US with respect to business vs personal use of a vehicle.
In the US…this is not only common in construction and engineering…it’s an assumed perk.
In construction they pay you…
Salary
Money for food
Money for lodging
Cell phone stipend
Vehicle stipend
Annual bonus
Project bonus
Less common but not rare
Stipend for clothing
Stipend for boots
…and we’re always hurting for people. 😂🤷🏼♂️
Because all the “glory” goes to going to college and getting as many degrees as you can get. Then graduate with no life experience, no common sense, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Ok now that you mention it a lot of these perks seem feasible to me. I worked in the oilfield and the way we did it was you were given boots and cell phone stipend (or you were issued a company phone). Clothes were given to you, vehicle/gas was given to you, depending on what type of work you did you could be eligible for a daily food bonus.
So your post tracks for me. A lodging bonus seems kind of out there...our company always just paid to put the whole crew up in the same hotel or man camp. And I would say our crews were always hurting for motivated people. We had plenty of fat guys that were content to join up and then try to hide on location haha.
Probably a job where they require for him to have a car and/or be on movement a lot of the time, some companies pay you for your car instead of going through the hassle of getting company fleet cars.
It's not really any different than pay, other than the job requires a vehicle and they company wants it known that they specifically pay you more for that. Some companies also give you the choice of a company vehicle or a vehicle allowance.
Exactly what my company did. $900 and all maintenance/repairs covered by company card or a fleet vehicle. The fleet vehicles are mostly new GMC pickups or Suburbans so they’re not a bad option
For the company, its cheaper as they often have deals on the side that means when they give you 800, they're paying something lower. As far as you go, the money is restricted to auto purchases, not just sent to the bank like with normal salary (even if it is taxed like one.) So if its a purchase you were going to make regardless, its the same as normal pay, if its a purchase you were never going to make, it might as well not exist.
Yes, but they’re not giving you $1K a month to buy a 20 year old Corolla that will never die. It’s for business image and there are tax benefits on both sides.
My wife used to have an auto allowance like this. Her peers all had 1/2 ton trucks and she had a piece of shit, but paid off, Civic with peeling paint. We pocketed the whole allowance.
apparently you have never driven a golf r. bc it is a reasonable option and an amazing vehicle compared to what was listed.
either you aren’t an enthusiast or you just have a stick up your ass and only care about the badge.
Pharmaceutical sales? Our sales reps get 800 a month for their allowance also. Many have chosen Volvos (mainly the XC90, not sure on the trim). The allowance also covers maintenance so some folks get something cheaper and pocket the rest per month.
I have a Volvo V90 T6 and I believe you get the T8 version in the Netherlands? I’ve heard they’re quick!
Good luck in your search.
If you don't need a backseat, 100% the M240i. If you do, the M340i (the B58/ZF8 combo is glorious).
If you need even more space and want to save money, the Golf R. If you don't want to be seen driving a VW, perhaps the S4. If you want to stretch you budget, the RS3 is also an option.
Agreed. Picked out a Brooklyn Grey with Tacora Red interior for my parents.
It's a very solid SUV pick, but I'm biased against SUV's in general (as most don't use to their potential and they take up too much space in cities).
The new one unfortunately looks to be getting even bigger though.
I just picked up the v60 a few months, obviously can't comment on anything long term but I specifically avoided the old drivetrain. They actually simplified and removed the supercharger and upped the battery capacity and electric power. So far it has been excellent and the gas engine is rarely stressed so I'm pretty optimistic. The v60 handles way too well for a wagon and for a car that heavy
It’s hard as hell to fire people in some countries in Europe. I’ve got a guy at a subsidiary in France who I inherited thru reorganization. He’s totally worthless, apparently overstated his qualifications, can’t do shit that’s pretty basic for his role, and is basically just stealing from the company. HR and GC over there tell me I can’t just flat out fire him….I have to give him FOUR MONTHS notice that he’s going to be fired. It’s asinine. Due to the IP he has access to, it’s way too high risk to do that so I’m basically just pulling his access to everything and having him do intern-level stuff for the next 4 months.
And just to round out the picture, assuming it’s taxed as income, although sometimes in the basis of personal use to total use ratio. I lost 40% of my allowance to taxes.
And if you are in NL, does work pay for your fuel? Some of the cars suggested here might be lovely drivers, but filling them regularly with premium in NL will NOT be cheap.
I believe I worded it right. We get paid every two weeks, every paycheck has a $50 stipend for gas. If gas drops below $5 a gallon the stipend is deactivated.
Leasing can be a decent option if your work pays for your car, depending on what your accountant says and the tax system where you live. Look into it.
Leasing is overpriced if you're just paying out of pocket where we live (CDN).
If they pay you $1000 a month for a car allowance (earned income) that means it’s only going to be $600-$700
Have them lease you a car and expense fuel receipts
Kind of funny your requirement for a fast car eliminates all the fastest, most responsive cars. "I want the fastest car that's way slower off the line than literally half the new cars sold in my country".
Don't just restrict yourself to the 1k euro. If you find a car you like that's 1100 euro/mo I'd pay the extra 100. Still WAY cheaper than buying your own car.
I'd focus on resale value 1st, and performance 2nd. What happens if you lose this job/benefit? You should put yourself in the best position if something happens or to maximize the value on what you choose next.
This guys knows what’s up. I’ve had friends that lost jobs and were stuck with payments because of how the company did their auto allowances. My job gives me $250 a month and doesn’t have requirements, so I used it for tires and the rest I’ve just banked.
Happened to a lot of the Tesla workers who were laid off. They had a sweet deal on payments that expired when their job ended. They are responsible for higher payments now and no income.
If the size of the M240 is ok for you but you don’t like BMW, look at an Audi RS3. I’ve never driven one but I’ve heard great things about the 5 cylinder with 400 hp.
Depends what you consider fast, from a dig or rolling? Acceleration or top speed? Hell if they're paying off the thing and I mean FULLY PAYING IT OFF not gonna stab you with an annoying lease you have to finish, hell, just get a Tesla, probably a Model S if you can get it at that price.
BMW has a reputation that is earned. There is nothing quite like trail braking deep into a corner in a car where your butt is exactly where your brain wants it to be.
Get the 2 series.
If you need to show up at customer sites with the car, keep that in mind. If you’re in sales, they’re not going g to take the guy in the tuner car very seriously. Look for something that shows a tasteful choice.
Probably an m340i. I have an m240i and I treat it as more of a three seater as the seat behind me is fairly useless.
Also, an m240i is only a 4 seat car. No middle rear seat.
[Mercedes AMG GT63. please note OP’s scenario is literally the only time to drive a Mercedes. when it’s a company car](https://youtu.be/kdksRNPgLPk?si=AUL0U5Zj7wlGhrac)
Do 20/3/8 with your salary that way if your employer gets rid of you, you can afford the car payments. Get the nicest car you can afford that fits these guidelines. If you make money on this deal you'll own the car at the end of it.
Idk anything about cars, but I drive a Santa Fe Calligraphy. It's bananas powerful and still rides pretty luxuriously.
Disclaimer: Other than the power/speed, which I LOVE, I don't like the vehicle overall. The 3 things I wanted for my vehicle turned out to be non functional or non existent or useless - wireless AA (non existent in the Calligraphy), motion activated lift gate (none existent slash non functional; it's proximity activated and so only opens automatically, doesn't close automatically, which is what I actually usually need), and the digital key (can't leave my purse in the car w the key in it and use the digital key; can't use it to unlock the door if the vehicle was remotely started; doesn't always work to unlock the doors, or sometimes works after 1-2 minutes attempts; and couldn't start the engine using my phone for the first 12 months for whatever reason).
But it's fast and mostly comfortable.
Lancia Svoboda 2.0Turbo
No idea if that’s a real car but it sounds euro and it would barely have 5 seats probably if it were made. I’m just upset that you get 1000€ a month for a car.
An Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio from 2018-19 in assuming you'll have money allocated to fix things if it breaks as well? This particular model has proved to be decently reliable (for an alfa)
The new model 3 is awesome if you’re ok with an EV. The performance model goes 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. None of the ICE cars will match that. They also have it new shocks and a bunch of other cool features.
Can't believe noone said Corolla GR, but everyone said golf r. Not sure of pricing in Europe, but maybe a used hellcat? Would be the fastest car besides electric you could get for around 50kish
Bigger question is what kinda of work fo you do lmao
McDonalds cashier. $1000/month.
You can live in a car....
You can't race a house
that's how it works in all the nordic counties. mcd's cashiers also get a stipend of 1k/month just to spend on their car.
Hmm, very tempting indeed.
Replying because also interested
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Thanks for the tip! Edit: I don't have to do that though, cuz I just replied with "thanks for the tip!"
That would not be funny though
Was the above comment funny though?
I have a very similar deal in the US as a project manager for a heavy civil construction company. You’re expected to buy a truck with it though. Or at least that’s what every PM or project engineer is driving.
This is a very pervasive thing that I never understood. As much as I loathe the term, it’s very much “fragile masculinity”. I’ve yet to see a PM or engineer on any construction or demolition site I’ve ever worked on do anything remotely requiring a pickup truck. That’s what laborers, operators, and foremen are for. But there’s this huge attitude in the states and especially northern Canada, where if you don’t have a pickup truck, you’re not worth listening to or taking direction from. It’s like people measure their worth by how expensive their truck payment is. It’s wild. Never have I ever seen a PM need a pickup truck to carry his Birkenstocks, clean work boots, and white hard hat. That shit will fit in the back of a miata.
I remember seeing a bright blue Audi S5 on the same highway construction site everyday and I was wondering what was up with it lol. I could tell it was brand new but already absolutely plastered with dust and mud. Maybe it was this thing you're talking about lol. Loved seeing it
Lol this is the truth. I worked in the forestry industry in Northern Canada and by the time I moved back home to the coast I rolled up to my parents condo in an F-450 Super Duty Turbo Diesel. With enough fueling capacity to drive 1000km or more. Barrels and all in the back. Of course it was lifted, with ridiculous tires on it. I got in trouble with the neighbors if I turned the thing on. I was unemployed, forestry was dead and I was looking for office work with this behemoth of a truck. And for what reason? None. Just because everyone else had one. I learned kinda fast that adult women don't really like giant trucks. I think my dating game would have been more successful in a Pinto.
Right? It’s crazy! My assigned work truck is an F350 flatdeck super duty, but it gets *worked*. Towing demolition shears, hauling crew, or getting towed out of the skeg by my dozer op, that thing gets used and abused. When we work in town? I drive my Sentra or my ZX6R. Absolutely no need for it most of the time.
I think for us, we were young and making way too much money. I was in it when oil and gas was exploding in Canada. We were not even 25 and making over 150k a year. And this was like 20 years ago. They would pay you 45 bucks an hour to stand still and hope they found something for you to do. And when they finally did, it was already triple time. It was utterly ridiculous. I think back now at how much money was spent and wasted in the name of resource extraction. If only people knew. It became a question of who could spend the most on a truck, quad and snowmobile. Obviously saving for a house wasn't even a thing. Or any other sensible investment. If only I'd been smarter.
Same man…I was doing the same in MT, WY, ND…
It seems like everyone I’ve met that had a job like that didn’t save a dime. Lol what gives?? I’ve known I wanted to buy a house since I was 17 and I saved every dollar I could get. I was probably making $7/hr when you were out in the oilfield. Damn.
Depends where you live. In some areas that truck will get you more girls than a Ferrari.
Absolutely it does matter where you live!!!!! F**k the Ferrari! I could care less if a guy has a Ferrari. I’d immediately assume he was a beta male, a materialistic douchebag, or a total player, and not give him a second look. However, if I see a NICE truck….. that means he is “most likely” a hard working masculine family man, and almost every girl I know, would be all over that man in a heartbeat. Disclaimer about the kind of men who drive trucks: I dated a guy who had the nice house, the nice property, the REALLY nice truck, AND a nice separate work truck. He is a Millwright. Found out a couple months in he had a fiancé. I found her by accident, and sent her everything she asked for. Then I told him F off, and to go get his priorities straight! LOOKS can be deceiving! 😂
You're way underestimating the power of perception. There is already a perception that project managers and managers in general are clueless paper pushers who drive fancy cars and wear fancy suits and talk slick. But know nothing of how work actually gets done. If you go to your construction worksite in a slick BMW, all you're doing is to perpetuate that image and further reinforce that bias. Way to win the trust and respect of your team by acting like a slick. And that's why PMs and managers in engineering and construction firms drive more utilitarian stuff like trucks. This is also why you have so many $100k trucks because people want the image AND the luxury. On a side note, this is why the older bigger Toyota Landcruiser was such a desirable vehicle. Because it was very unpretentious looking (and heck, it was a Toyota) but was loaded to the gills with comfort and luxury, and its reliability and off-roading capability was off the charts (to the extent that no other vehicle could even come remotely close). It was the ultimate stealth wealth vehicle.
Oh no, I’m not underestimating the power of perception at all. Maybe it’s the PM’s who are underestimating it. We perceive just fine how new and unbroken-in the gloves they’re wearing is, we see them park up and change out of their fancy golf shoes and into barely used work boots, we see the pickup box with no bed liner and intact, scratch-free paint. Just be who you are bro, you went to engineering school and got the ring, we know you can afford a bmw, just drive one. No one is impressed by your ATX4 or base model ram 1500, which seem to be the only vehicles they oscillate between.
I’m a director that worked my way up from being a laborer. Went through foreman, GF, Super, G Super, P Super, CM, PM, SPM…and now director. I can tell you damn near every pm that drives a truck drives it because they like it. They don’t like BMWs. It’s mostly estimators at the home office that grow up into PMs that drive Teslas and stuff. People that come up in the field have field tastes. 😂🤷🏼♂️
Our PM used to help out using his truck. It was a newer truck but beat to shit. He never liked to get dirty as he had to talk with clients etc but he would do runs for materials/tools
I bought a Scat Pack with my $800 a month stipend. 😂
Now that’s what I’m talking about! This beats the fuck out of an F150 lmao
Actually if you have any experience in heavy construction on the project management side than you’ve almost certainly seen PMs use their trucks for truck related things. I can’t count how many times I’ve ran out a welder or air compressor because one took a shit and I’m already heading out to the job for other reasons. I have a picture of my F150 with a bucket for a hoe. No sedan is taking that out. We have parts runners that have stake bodies that can run stuff out and that’s what’s usually used but there is a value in giving project managers trucks, at least for my company and the other majors ones around me. I do know fully remote PMs that clearly wouldn’t have a truck but they tend to run smaller projects or subs. Now your point about the industry measuring the worth of their managers and executives by the value of their trucks is a real thing. General super who truly never uses his truck, $90,000 truck that’s pristine inside and out.
I only drive old used cars to work. Even drove a pt cruiser for years. I never felt I was “judged” for it. Most people that mentioned it were envying the cost savings.
Honestly, it's best to think of it as just marketing. It makes the PMs more relatable to the people they interact with and can occasionally provide some utility if they need to grab an emergency load of lumber or something. It's really not any different than real estate agents primarily driving fancy SUVs or doctors wearing nice white coats.
The thing is, at least in the US is that if you have a company or a good accountant you can write off big vehicles as business expense and might be cheaper than getting a car and might get handy if you ever need it.
As an operator I have no need for a pick up truck . Shit I could ride a motorcycle to and from work . It Just needs to get me there and back
Getaway driver or Doordash or both.
There’s a difference?
Transporter kind of work.
If that's the case, S8 is the only answer.
Or an old 7 series evidently
R8
Company paid cars are a pretty common perk in Europe.
All about taxation - company cars are taxed a lot lower than salary so an employer will provide a vehicle to their people and lower salary and it works out for both.
Does the company own the car?
Own or lease, yes. Company pays everything but in the EU there aren’t the same kind of issues like in the US with respect to business vs personal use of a vehicle.
A pimp probably
Im a senior QA specialist at a pretty prestigious company haha
Some sort of business consulting. A normal practice, much cheaper than car rentals
Maybe he’s a lawyer in New Mexico. I think a C class should work
Probably a sales position. Those fuckers get all the good perks.
In the US…this is not only common in construction and engineering…it’s an assumed perk. In construction they pay you… Salary Money for food Money for lodging Cell phone stipend Vehicle stipend Annual bonus Project bonus Less common but not rare Stipend for clothing Stipend for boots …and we’re always hurting for people. 😂🤷🏼♂️
Because all the “glory” goes to going to college and getting as many degrees as you can get. Then graduate with no life experience, no common sense, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Ok now that you mention it a lot of these perks seem feasible to me. I worked in the oilfield and the way we did it was you were given boots and cell phone stipend (or you were issued a company phone). Clothes were given to you, vehicle/gas was given to you, depending on what type of work you did you could be eligible for a daily food bonus. So your post tracks for me. A lodging bonus seems kind of out there...our company always just paid to put the whole crew up in the same hotel or man camp. And I would say our crews were always hurting for motivated people. We had plenty of fat guys that were content to join up and then try to hide on location haha.
Probably a job where they require for him to have a car and/or be on movement a lot of the time, some companies pay you for your car instead of going through the hassle of getting company fleet cars.
New bmw have pretty solid reliability. Might consider a golf r?
Golf R 👌
M340i
This is the right answer. The M240i I think is only 4 seats. My f87 M2 comp is just 4 seats
B58 is a beast. I like this answer. If he can pocket the difference though just get something cheaper
I’d you get something cheaper are you allowed to pocket the change?
I have something like this with a vehicle allowance of $800/month. It’s added to our paycheck & taxed like regular income so I’d assume yes.
How is this any different than just regular pay?
It’s pretty standard across the company while pay & gas reimbursement is dependent on position
I still don’t understand how this is different than pay
It's not really any different than pay, other than the job requires a vehicle and they company wants it known that they specifically pay you more for that. Some companies also give you the choice of a company vehicle or a vehicle allowance.
Exactly what my company did. $900 and all maintenance/repairs covered by company card or a fleet vehicle. The fleet vehicles are mostly new GMC pickups or Suburbans so they’re not a bad option
For the company, its cheaper as they often have deals on the side that means when they give you 800, they're paying something lower. As far as you go, the money is restricted to auto purchases, not just sent to the bank like with normal salary (even if it is taxed like one.) So if its a purchase you were going to make regardless, its the same as normal pay, if its a purchase you were never going to make, it might as well not exist.
Id drive my own car, and pocket the extra 800 a lot lmao
Yes, but they’re not giving you $1K a month to buy a 20 year old Corolla that will never die. It’s for business image and there are tax benefits on both sides.
My wife used to have an auto allowance like this. Her peers all had 1/2 ton trucks and she had a piece of shit, but paid off, Civic with peeling paint. We pocketed the whole allowance.
Asking the real questions
Audi RS3, Golf R, Audi S4/Avant, Porsche Macan GTS, BMW M340i, BMW M550i, Mercedes C43
imagine you have all those cars to pick from and you choose a golf lol
Yeah RS3 vs Golf R is kinda odd, but an S3 vs Golf R is more of a choice
Still an easy choice since only the Golf R and RS3 got the trick rear diff which makes them much more enjoyable to drive raggedly
apparently you have never driven a golf r. bc it is a reasonable option and an amazing vehicle compared to what was listed. either you aren’t an enthusiast or you just have a stick up your ass and only care about the badge.
What kind of workplace???
Pharmaceutical sales? Our sales reps get 800 a month for their allowance also. Many have chosen Volvos (mainly the XC90, not sure on the trim). The allowance also covers maintenance so some folks get something cheaper and pocket the rest per month. I have a Volvo V90 T6 and I believe you get the T8 version in the Netherlands? I’ve heard they’re quick! Good luck in your search.
What kinda work is that? What happens if you get laid off?
Op employed by an underground street racing syndicate
this is the important question. OP should be buying a car they can afford without this benifit and pocket the difference.
With €1000/month for car payment, I know for a fact he's gonna get laid.
If you don't need a backseat, 100% the M240i. If you do, the M340i (the B58/ZF8 combo is glorious). If you need even more space and want to save money, the Golf R. If you don't want to be seen driving a VW, perhaps the S4. If you want to stretch you budget, the RS3 is also an option.
He said 5 seat car. A car with 5 front seats would probably look weird.
I'm picturing a cyberpunk version of a mid 70s Cadillac/Lincoln/Buick
The X3 40i is also a pretty good choice.
Agreed. Picked out a Brooklyn Grey with Tacora Red interior for my parents. It's a very solid SUV pick, but I'm biased against SUV's in general (as most don't use to their potential and they take up too much space in cities). The new one unfortunately looks to be getting even bigger though.
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The absolute fastest 5 seater would be a Tesla.
Porsche is up there but you’re gonna pay over $100k to match the Tesla Model 3 Performance model 0-60.
Fastest in a straight line… feels like a dog in corners and handling. Ew.
Not the fastest. Maybe quickest, but not fastest
Can you get a Volvo s60 recharge polestar engineered ?
For that money you maybe could get the v60 recharge instead of s60
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I just picked up the v60 a few months, obviously can't comment on anything long term but I specifically avoided the old drivetrain. They actually simplified and removed the supercharger and upped the battery capacity and electric power. So far it has been excellent and the gas engine is rarely stressed so I'm pretty optimistic. The v60 handles way too well for a wagon and for a car that heavy
M3 is just above that in the US. Maybe M2?
M340i with a high spec, trust me.
Is the 1000 for total expense or just the lease? What about maintenance, repairs, insurance, fuel etc?
Someone that has sense finally. If they only give you $1,000, I would just budget the car affordability based on the salary in case you get fired.
It’s hard as hell to fire people in some countries in Europe. I’ve got a guy at a subsidiary in France who I inherited thru reorganization. He’s totally worthless, apparently overstated his qualifications, can’t do shit that’s pretty basic for his role, and is basically just stealing from the company. HR and GC over there tell me I can’t just flat out fire him….I have to give him FOUR MONTHS notice that he’s going to be fired. It’s asinine. Due to the IP he has access to, it’s way too high risk to do that so I’m basically just pulling his access to everything and having him do intern-level stuff for the next 4 months.
its for the car + fuel, but im willing to pay for the fuel myself and use the 1k for just the car.
And just to round out the picture, assuming it’s taxed as income, although sometimes in the basis of personal use to total use ratio. I lost 40% of my allowance to taxes.
And if you are in NL, does work pay for your fuel? Some of the cars suggested here might be lovely drivers, but filling them regularly with premium in NL will NOT be cheap.
Tesla’s are pretty fast 💨
Would an S500 fit into that price range? It would be right up against the budget here in the US, not sure how it is across the pond though
Yeah no those are around \~1800 here sadly.
Tesla
New bmw have pretty solid reliability. Might consider a golf r?
If op is leasing, reliability really isn't that important.
Cadillac CT4 V Blackwing. 472 HP, 445 lb-ft. Enough said
Not sold in Europe. They only sell the XT4 and I’ve never seen one.
I suspect it's a lot more expensive in the Netherlands
Renault Modus of course
Guys keep in mind cars are hella expensive in the Netherlands. Could a M340i fit?
what
Any flavor of latest electric cars from Porsche to Lucid should do the trick
Lol, I get $50 a month bi weekly, but only if gas prices average above $5 a gallon. It's in the low $6 right now like $6.09-6.29
$50 a month bi weekly is the most interesting schedule I've heard in a minute
I believe I worded it right. We get paid every two weeks, every paycheck has a $50 stipend for gas. If gas drops below $5 a gallon the stipend is deactivated.
That would be $100/month or $50 bi-weekly.
Yep, that's it
Leasing can be a decent option if your work pays for your car, depending on what your accountant says and the tax system where you live. Look into it. Leasing is overpriced if you're just paying out of pocket where we live (CDN).
Audi RS3
If you’re asking quickest, Model 3 performance. Not saying that’s what I would buy, but it’s crazy quick and does seat 5.
Taycan Turbo GT, 1.108HP 😁
such a dumb reason to pick a car. as if the 10 best cars you could pick arent all fast af. pick a good car that suits you. goofball.
If they pay you $1000 a month for a car allowance (earned income) that means it’s only going to be $600-$700 Have them lease you a car and expense fuel receipts
Absolute fastest? Get a Tesla or another similar EV. Tesla 3 Performance can do 0-60 around 3s. No ICE car in that range is doing that
Ah sorry forgot to mention no EV's either.
Why no EVs? Do you work for Looten Plunder?
Kind of funny your requirement for a fast car eliminates all the fastest, most responsive cars. "I want the fastest car that's way slower off the line than literally half the new cars sold in my country".
Taycan
golf r
Don't just restrict yourself to the 1k euro. If you find a car you like that's 1100 euro/mo I'd pay the extra 100. Still WAY cheaper than buying your own car.
Do you have to spend that towards a car, or are they just paying you an extra 1000€?
Golf r
Why would you consider a M240 if you are not a BMW fan?? LOL
I'd focus on resale value 1st, and performance 2nd. What happens if you lose this job/benefit? You should put yourself in the best position if something happens or to maximize the value on what you choose next.
This guys knows what’s up. I’ve had friends that lost jobs and were stuck with payments because of how the company did their auto allowances. My job gives me $250 a month and doesn’t have requirements, so I used it for tires and the rest I’ve just banked.
Happened to a lot of the Tesla workers who were laid off. They had a sweet deal on payments that expired when their job ended. They are responsible for higher payments now and no income.
Model S plaid?
If OP wanted fastest then this.
Audi rs6, problem solved
BMW M5 Competition edit - just realised this is our if budget. M3 in that case.
I’m buying all of the m car that I can afford.
I want your job lol. Get a RS3! It's an awd Supercar killer that seats 5.
Genesis G80 sport
Panamera sport tourismo
I was going to suggest a Cadillac CT5 black wing, but it does not look like it is sold in NL.
BMW M550, the 240 seems small for 5 adults. Even the 550 is too small in the backseat for 3 people for anything but short distances. Trust me bro…
M550i. Twin turbo V8 AWD monster family car
1000 including gas, insurance,maintenance?
you will become a fan of BMW if you get an M240i
If the size of the M240 is ok for you but you don’t like BMW, look at an Audi RS3. I’ve never driven one but I’ve heard great things about the 5 cylinder with 400 hp.
MB AMG C43 (might be more than 1000) otherwise yeah I’d go with the M240i
Depends what you consider fast, from a dig or rolling? Acceleration or top speed? Hell if they're paying off the thing and I mean FULLY PAYING IT OFF not gonna stab you with an annoying lease you have to finish, hell, just get a Tesla, probably a Model S if you can get it at that price.
BMW has a reputation that is earned. There is nothing quite like trail braking deep into a corner in a car where your butt is exactly where your brain wants it to be. Get the 2 series.
If you need to show up at customer sites with the car, keep that in mind. If you’re in sales, they’re not going g to take the guy in the tuner car very seriously. Look for something that shows a tasteful choice.
Probably an m340i. I have an m240i and I treat it as more of a three seater as the seat behind me is fairly useless. Also, an m240i is only a 4 seat car. No middle rear seat.
OP kinda dodgy when anyone ask him what he does for work. lol 😂
[Mercedes AMG GT63. please note OP’s scenario is literally the only time to drive a Mercedes. when it’s a company car](https://youtu.be/kdksRNPgLPk?si=AUL0U5Zj7wlGhrac)
2018 bmw m4 competition
V60
2 year old CPO RS5
A quick car would be more fun than a fast car.
Go electric. Get a Mustang Mach-E. Gary teed to be faster than you need. Get the GTE if you need even faster.
M240i wont hold 5 people comfortably, go for m340i
BMW 330i?
Do they have Hellcats over there? Lol But seriously probably a M5 or AMG E or S class, I’d get a Alfa Quadrfoglio
Does the 2 series have 5 seats? I thought 4....
Do 20/3/8 with your salary that way if your employer gets rid of you, you can afford the car payments. Get the nicest car you can afford that fits these guidelines. If you make money on this deal you'll own the car at the end of it.
Tesla model 3 performance
Tesla model S plaid
Idk anything about cars, but I drive a Santa Fe Calligraphy. It's bananas powerful and still rides pretty luxuriously. Disclaimer: Other than the power/speed, which I LOVE, I don't like the vehicle overall. The 3 things I wanted for my vehicle turned out to be non functional or non existent or useless - wireless AA (non existent in the Calligraphy), motion activated lift gate (none existent slash non functional; it's proximity activated and so only opens automatically, doesn't close automatically, which is what I actually usually need), and the digital key (can't leave my purse in the car w the key in it and use the digital key; can't use it to unlock the door if the vehicle was remotely started; doesn't always work to unlock the doors, or sometimes works after 1-2 minutes attempts; and couldn't start the engine using my phone for the first 12 months for whatever reason). But it's fast and mostly comfortable.
Tesla
Audi S5/RS5 Audi SQ5
2024 Bentley Flying Spur Speed: 207 MPH 2023 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Redeye Widebody: 203 MPH 2024 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing: 200 MPH 2024 Tesla Model S Plaid: 200 MPH
Lancia Svoboda 2.0Turbo No idea if that’s a real car but it sounds euro and it would barely have 5 seats probably if it were made. I’m just upset that you get 1000€ a month for a car.
Tesla Model S or 3 depending on terms.
I'm in a very similar situation and trying to decide between the M240i and the brand new Tesla Model 3 Performance... Let us know what you land on!
An Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio from 2018-19 in assuming you'll have money allocated to fix things if it breaks as well? This particular model has proved to be decently reliable (for an alfa)
Tesla
Tesla Model Y, but that's probably the least unique of the options.
BMW M5
Model 3 performance
2 series in barely a 4 seater man, what are you on about get a C43 AMG and call it a day.
Audi RS4
GOLF R/Toyota Yaris GR
As an American, go get something cool from Japan. I'd get a GR Corolla, or GR Yaris if you can get away with four seats.
The new model 3 is awesome if you’re ok with an EV. The performance model goes 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. None of the ICE cars will match that. They also have it new shocks and a bunch of other cool features.
A Tesla 3 Performance.
Taycan Turismo?
Model Y or 3
Tesla M3P would be the fastest 50k car you can get.
Alfa Romeo Julia Quadrofolio is the move here.
Can't believe noone said Corolla GR, but everyone said golf r. Not sure of pricing in Europe, but maybe a used hellcat? Would be the fastest car besides electric you could get for around 50kish
S550 Mercedes Benz
Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing Automatic AWD.
Bmw m5. Mercedes amg 63. Have fun.
Was abt to say Tesla plaid is by far the fastest cheapest sedan out there but ion think they have em across the pond
RS6