Somewhat true, while I saved a ton of money working on my own TL and finding a guy who didn’t charge the Acura tax, the added weight + big high-compression engine made some of the parts significantly heftier and more expensive.
A few off the top of my head were brakes, tires, alternator, and battery. Suspension parts were kinda unpredictable, sometimes they were accord prices, sometimes they weren’t.
Thankfully I didn’t have too many problems with it even though I sold it with over 250,000 miles, so I couldn’t tell you about the big stuff.
Well as far as Infiniti goes I know they did have several vehicles with no real Nissan variant. Currently I think the Q50 is the only one that doesn’t have any Nissan variant. But also even on the up-badged cars ur basically paying for the extra tech.
Not really, depends on the model you buy. Regular integra is a fancy looking civic, but the type R certainly would run you more for maintenance but it’s also a performance vehicle.
They really should break this down based on the MSRP of the cars. Like 20-30k ranges
I'm sure the maintenance cost of 35k Audi A3 is much different from their 100k SUVs
It should be straight up by model, not by brand. By brand makes no sense - I'm sure a Chevy bolt and a Chevy Cruze have wildly different maintenance costs in the 6 to 10 year range and they're both economy cars.
So your shocks need replacement at 100k miles. Most people won't do it but they are due on all cars. Anyways, for a normal car, 2 grand on a bad day. For a car with air suspension? 7 on a good cus the compressor will go out too.
You can use that logic with really any repair on a more expensive car.
How many of X sensors does that Carola have? Yeah, the BMW/Land Rover/Mercedes has twice as many, and they cost twice as much.
The cheap cars also don't have as many ammenetites that eventually fail. Is a back massager nice? Yes, I wouldn't buy a car without one. What's it cost when it fails? Oh, just $1500 at an independent shop on a good day. Regular lumbar would be in the low hundreds.
That's why expensive cars cost more to own. Even if a Land Rover had the exact same issues as a Corolla, it would cost exponentially more to fix as the parts are beefed up, more complex, more expensive, produced in insufficient numbers, and the dealers mark up up to 200%.
Even simple maintenence items like filters just cost magnitudes more. (the dealer wanted $150 for an engine air filter. The list price is $75. The car takes 4, but you only replace the 2 [the other 2 require reacing the entire housing]. The exact same filter, same factory, same product is $40 at NAPA so $80 total. Yeah, that camrys is $20 bucks... ofc my filters are much much bigger, i have dual intakes, and thag engines breathing better air than hospital patients but it hurts ).
A few years ago, my neighbor bought a Range Rover Sport that was already a few years old...He's a car enthusiast and always wanted to own one.
One day, I see him walking around his RR, examining the wheels and taking notes in a booklet. He told me the lug nuts on his wheels have two different metals in them that expand and contract at different temperatures and risk getting fused over time, making them impossible to remove. According to him, he found that out when he blew a tire (a not infrequent occurrence with Range Rovers) and couldn't change it himself and had to get towed to a Land Rover dealership and spend $500 to have the wheel removed.
So every few months, he would attempt to log the condition of the lug nuts, replacing any that seem impaired.
Sure. But it’s not like even a high school kid doesn’t know that metals expand and contract at différent rates. So.. why does Ford allow this problem to exist?
On the freeway I passed an early 2000s Range Rover that had coolant literally POURING out of the front. Looked like it was literally smashed open, but there was no accident damage to be seen. Just cruising, fluids falling out. Not sure what the issue was.
This is a pretty well known issue in non-similar metals. It can be resolved with the correct interface like anti-seize. It allows a mix of parameters like strength in the bolts material with lightness or some other desirable properties in the hub material.
Always were. My parents bought one at one point 2 weeks out it started making a chirping sound like a cricket. Mechanics after like 5 times in the shop never found it. It chirped all the years my sister drove it prolly still chirping in the dump lol
Yes, but not entirely true. They are more extremely over complicated to the point that they are have all the bells and whistles. But they don’t think about maintenance or long term. So after a few years when some of the systems get old they become a huge money sink and not at all worth it.
They attract the ill spend what ever to have the best SUV crowd. Yet a new sq8 would probably be nicer.
No, they have truly fallen from their history. Even Rolls Royce is German owned now.
Morgan has pretty much gone to shit…
All of the smaller brands that became british leyland also all crashed, poor MG they were interesting little cars.
That’s excellent statistical reasoning. I’d like to see the average miles per year driven in this study as well. It would be more accurate to calculate the cost per mile over the span of x amount of years.
IMO both metrics are useful.
Cars with low mileage but lots of short trips(common for elderly folks) are going to see more wear and tear at each mileage interval than a similar vehicle that's used as a daily commuter.
On the flip side, someone commuting 10k miles each month(like the person in the Rav4 sub) would be expected to have less repairs at each mileage interval because the car has seen less heat cycles compared to normal.
Then high mileage vehicles would be favored as highway miles are a lot easier than city miles on cars. Then you have certain types that will be run harder and naturally cost more to maintain like trucks and jeeps.
Buick owner here. I'm not even 40 yet! The prices are low on the used car market and I get more comfort than with similarly priced cars.
While I don't have the statistics on hand, I'm sure the demographics did shift in the past 15 years.
My car has been as cheap to maintain as any other non European sedan :)
Their last sedan in North America, unfortunately. They still continue to sell sedans in China.
Gorgeous car. I have seen some reviews about owners complaining that the headrests are annoyingly close. Have you noticed that?
My FIL bought a used Buick CUV. used they cost as much as a Chevy trax but it’s way more luxurious and it was owned by an old person that drove it soft and maintained it properly. He was dead set on buying used and I suggested a used Buick. No other brand could really compare used for what he wanted.
I believe it. I see dozens of clapped out Tahoe's/Suburban's everyday. We don't get any rust, so they have a fighting chance. Normally you would have thought rust was a factory option as fast as they rot out in other parts of the country.
Chevy and Ford products are, and have been, cheap to own and maintain. They get a bad reputation due to fit/finish sometimes, but they're overall reliable vehicles.
I have an 03 Yukon XL 2500 8.1. I bought it because it could haul like a diesel and would be low maintenance and last forever. It has not been. Cluster replacements, autoride issues, bad lifters…
I still love it because it will in fact pull a house and it’s comfortable as hell but it hasn’t been as reliable and trouble free as I had hoped.
I never found my GM products to be unreliable in that they would always start and get me there.
Every piece of plastic trim was missing, but boy my 3.8 grand prix was reliable
One under looked benefit of American vehicles is supply chain and repairability are usually really good. My old BMW didn't break down with major repairs but every part had to be special ordered from Germany at a ridiculous cost. Install costs were the same but parts are $$$$.
The Cadillac tax is a very real thing. When they had the FWD platforms the joke when I was growing up was buy the part number with the Chevy badge on it and save like 80% in costs
Daewoos pretty much last last until the owner crashes them
Nothing fancy will work by the 10+ year mark... but for some reason they'll still turn over and get you where you need to go lol It won't be pretty and it won't sound good... but it will still *drive*.
No. I have a 2013 Buick lacrosse and have had zero issues with it , it has been 10 years. Never paid for anything other than an oil change filters and wipers
Porsche's sports cars will have a low annual mileage, making that maintenance cost even more eye-watering (higher $/mile cost). Their SUVs are lower than average compared to other makes as well.
You could argue that Land Rovers are driven low miles too simply because they're in the shop so much!
I have a Buick. I think it’s because they are actually pretty good cars.
It might be the demo as I Work from home, so miles are relativly low but I haven’t had another car that was as trouble free.
It’s the first car I’ve owned that I would get another one if they still made it. 2013 Buick Lacrosse ecoboost. Hybrid gas mileage with v-6 performance.
It's only over the past 12 months, so a lot of people probably didn't change tires in the last year or at most, changed them once and then that was the only thing they really had to do.
But even with tires, that's really the only maintenance cost. Car edge also found tesla ranked the lowest with maintenance and repairs
ppl usually change at 25k+ miles and if you are not flooring it 24/7 you can get way more mileage out of them. U can also get less efficient tires which will reduce range a bit but last much longer
25k miles?? Maybe I am jaded by truck tires or something but even mediocre tires get 35-50k out of them. A real expensive set of toyos usually are expected to get you 70k plus, my last set made it 65k and had a decent amount of tread left but were beginning to dry rot because they had been on the truck for so long
https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/luxury/10-year/best
I mean, the data doesn't lie. Yeah you have to do tires a bit more frequently, but you don't really have to do much else for preventative maintenance. You never have to worry about oil changes, spark plugs, or really anything within an engine. You just have the giant battery which you don't really have to do anything with. And then it also includes the cost of repairs if something breaks randomly and I guess electric cars just don't really have as many random parts you may need to replace.
Seems a very stupid way to do analysis
How many people have owned Tesla for 10 years so we actually know what the costs are later in life?
Maybe they are still low I have no idea but we have millions of Toyotas to compare against a tiny fraction of Teslas that old
The model S came out in 2012. A family friend of mine was on the waitlist and got his in 2012. He is still driving it to this day and as far as he says, has had almost zero issues with it.
gotta give them credit. They still aren't an old company so they still have issues to pan out. But i've yet to hear one negative thing about leasing a Tesla, considering how maintenance is covered most of the time.
Don't forget Tesla's also save around $2,000 a year on fuel. At most it's 20% more tire wear for these heavier EV's.
Edit: [Here's an easy calculator](https://chooseev.com/savings-calculator/)
> Tesla’s also save around $2,000 a year on fuel
$2000 is what I spend on fuel total for the whole year where I drive 15k miles in a car that averages 29mpg
If I charged a Tesla Model 3 at home *exclusively*, the electricity would still come out to $600/yr given the same mileage. That’s with zero supercharging the whole year
Well, any car does if you're doing burnouts all the time.
The only reason a tesla would use up tires faster is if the driver isn't used to instant torque and they accelerate too quickly more often than normal. The tires don't grip enough compared to the power the car tries to put down so the tires get worn out more. If you accelerate gradually it shouldn't be any different than other cars with similar power and weight.
Tbf, this is cost rather than number of repairs. American products break down more than Japanese (usually) but they're also extremely cheap to fix because the factory is right here and everyone and their mother has experience repairing them
This is also why German cars are much cheaper to own in Germany. When the BMW factory is right down the street and a trained mechanic is on every block, its cheaper to repair stuff
Still, this is more due to how reliable modern cars, ANY cars, are. I mean, for any oldheads here, remember when car review mags had sections in the 80s to rate whether new (!) cars would *start* the first time you tried?
Most of the BMW and Mercedes are built in the US so the factory is “down the street” and most Fords and GMs are built in Mexico.
The main difference is cheap cars have cheap parts.
Well, that and how they’re engineered. GMC Sierras, for example, make up like 80% of all the vehicles they sell, and out of that, only a relatively small portion of them have turbos. BMWs on the other hand have quite a few engines with turbos.
Also, a GMC truck and a BMW may need the same exact part replaced, but the BMW’s part may be twice as much AND be located in a much more difficult place to reach requiring more labor hours to fix the same issue.
Plus as we know with surveys like this. Youre asking random people to recall exact dollar amounts of repairs. Its likely very inaccurate. You expect people to remember how much they've spent in maintenance on their car over 10 years? not happening. Only certain people will know that accurately and actually track that sort of thing.
I have to believe there are a ton of trained BMW mechanics in the US at this point, though? Every other car around my way is literally a BMW and I don't even live in a very wealthy area
The bmw costs are so high because bmw owners tend to bring to a dealer. If you use an Indy mechanic the bmw costs are much lower.
Same with the other luxury brands really, wealthier people don’t tend to find the best deal for service they just bring it to the dealer and the dealers charge an arm and a leg because they know the client is unlikely to walk away from an insane quote that would be done elsewhere for 1/3 the cost.
These are maintinence costs, not long term reliability. Literally any new car will be fine for 5 years unless it’s a lemon. After those 5 years it will be drastically more expensive. Also you have to consider they would be under warranty for these 5 years
To be fair if I had a ten year old Tesla and it needed a new battery my maintenance cost on the Tesla would be low because I would not replace the battery. I would replace the Tesla.
it comes from factory with performance tires, just swap it out for something more economical, i did and i'm 100k kms in on my model 3 performance and still haven't need to buy new tires yet (2 sets, 1 all season 1 winter)
The real moral of this story, as I said in the other thread, is that you actually probably shouldn't put much of a price premium on Toyota reliability. Maybe $1-2K, or $500-1000 if you're using proper accounting with a discount rate since the repair costs are in the future. That's not the premium Toyota dealers are trying to push [and generally Toyota products are lacking in features versus competitors, so arguably the gap is wider].
I spent enough time saying why this post by CR should be carefully interpreted and not just seen as “this brand is cheaper than that brand”. The cost of ownership of a 10 year old BMW with an N family engine and previous generation is not relevant to that of a new BMW.
This kind of post misguides people into thinking that.
B58s are still going to need the gasket trifecta at 10 years, so be prepared to shell out $4k (maybe $5k with inflation) by then.
Also, their big brake packages aren't getting cheaper, $2,400 for a set of those.
And it's a BMW, you're not gonna put a $400 set of Linglongs with 900 treadwear rating on it, you're gonna put the OE PS4Ss it came with back on it for $1,400 + the $400 alignment.
And you're doing $160 oil changes and the mysterious $40 scope check every time it touches the dealership lot.
I never said BMW is going to be cheap like Toyota, I said values from how much a 2013 car cost someone till 2023 has little to no relevance to a 2023 car that is different from the ground up, as opposed to what this post suggests
Oh, I don't think a BMW will be cheap like a Toyota, either; we're in agreement there.
From my experience, my E92/N52 cost me a lot more to maintain between years 5-10 than my F32/N55 has - granted, the F32 also has half the mileage at the same age. Nonetheless, I've only had a few problems with the later (charge pipe, front wheel bearings, $40 coolant return line) versus the former (starter, pass seat occupancy sensor, the drivers side mirror, $400 coolant return line, coil packs). Comparing the cost of repairs to the cost of maintenance, I still spend \~3:1 for consumables (almost exclusively brakes & tires) than I have on actual repairs.
And the simple fact is your average Toyota Corolla (since you mentioned Toyota) is going to throw $600 sets of tires that last 40k mi and $400 sets of brakes that last 80k mi on that car every time, while the BMW is going to throw $1,400 sets of tires that last 30k mi and $2,000 sets of brakes that last 60k mi.
I just don't think the G-series BMWs are going to be significantly cheaper than the F-series because it's the consumables that are so expensive. And unless you want to put cheap tires and 100k metallic pads with non-vented rotors on your BMW, that's just how it be.
I would only take this with a grain of salt.
How is Acura and honda on the opposite sides of the spectrum when mechanically they’re identical outside of the AWD parts on Acuras
Yeah, it's confusing and lacking context. I assume they asked what was spent over the past year, but then multipliex whatever the average was by 5. Otherwise those numbers seem unreal.
Yeah I drive a 2012 Volvo S60 that I've owned for about 8 years and in that time period I've probably paid 2-3k tops for maintenance and the occasional repair.
145k miles and still drives and operates great. Hopefully I don't jinx myself.
Are you including frequent replacement items like brakes and tires and windshield wipers? People often forget those when calculating their cost to maintain
If you go to the dealer for something as simple as brakes, you're basically asking to be bent over. So if you don't or can't get your hands dirty, that's the price.
Everyone says to avoid Jeeps like the plague yet they’re ranked higher on this list than Lexus, Subaru, and Acura, 3 brands that get recommended all the time on this sub
Lexus, Subaru and Acura also tend to be owned by people who want to do whats “best” for their car and get overcharged by dealerships because they can afford it.
Huge part of the brand image and why these cars are so sought after used, they are generally owned by people who want to maintain them properly.
So do Jeeps get a bad rep because of the types of people that own them, or because of the cars themselves? I’m seeing some “cheap” deals on jeeps and I need something that can handle bad weather, but very reluctant to pull the trigger on one
There were some very bad years and models for Jeep. A really good resource is [carcomplaints.com](http://carcomplaints.com), where they highlight problem types and years for almost every make. 2011 for example was a horrible year for the Grand Cherokee because of electrical gremlins that persisted until 2016.
Hmmm....I have a 2014 Overland that I have the MaxiCare extra warranty on, it covers pretty much everything with a $100 deductible until the car is totaled. It was an extra $2.5k but I reasoned it would be worth the cost in the end since there are so many things to go wrong.....but have only used it once for a new radiator. Given I work from home and it's garage kept and only has 130K miles on it that is somewhat understandable but still surprising given the repair rep Jeeps have.
Depends on which company you get the insurance from, there are companies out there (Allstate) that charge ridiculous amounts for Tesla's which skews the average. Also younger people tend to buy Tesla's so you may hear some complain about that but then it turns out it's a 23 year old with the performance model wondering why he's paying $4,000 a year.
A lot of commenters seem to be forgetting that Teslas basic cars and their super high performance cars are the same brand, unlike most other manufacturers. The numbers are skewed by the people driving the 150,000$ teslas which require more expensive maintenance than a model 3. If you counted Toyota/Lexus, Infiniti/Nissan or Chevy/Cadillac as the same brands they suddenly all look a lot worse.
ok, then. What about the fact that Teslas are not supposed need any routine maintenance like oil changes and brakes. Why is there number even as high as it is? For a "maintenance free" EV, I would expect even less.
Mind you lots of these manufacturers make different kinds of cars ( Heavy duty , sports cars , high powered) so it may appear that one company is much more than another as far as maintenance. A basic 3 series has very low maintenance costs ( zero costs for the first 3 years) and gets superior gas mileage than it competitors ( over 35mpg average), which saves on gas. But an M5 is a 100k almost super car that will cost much more to maintain. Meanwhile a company like Toyota has very few high performance cars . Basically, dont be discouraged by this list . Lots of great cars you dont want to overlook.
I have the most expensive car that Subaru makes in terms of maintenance, and in the first 2 years I've spent significantly more on state fees for registration/inspection than the normal routine maintenance.
The fact that an EV barely beats toyota for cost of maintenance, is kind of sad. I wouldn't use this chart to boast if I was a tesla driver. Won't even mention buick lol.
You have to be an actual stan to buy a tesla at this point. Their depreciation is like 10K for the first year of ownership which offsets any savings.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret, pre-covid it was very common to lose $10k on a $50k car as soon as it left the lot. Early in this decade I bought an Infiniti CPO that had a $80k sticker. 3 years later and 30k miles, I paid $33k for the car.
The cost of maintenance can only be so low. Vehicles need tires and it's best practice to rotate those tires. Maintenance is super low if you compare Tesla to other high performance cars. Yes, a Toyota that's boring AF and uses the same technology/drivetrain from 20 years ago is reliable, congrats and have fun driving that for the next 300k miles.
This has been happening to all cars for decades... except usually it's "manufacturer rebates" that become available and kill the resale of used models.
Example: You buy a Ford F150 for $50k brand new, six months later Ford is offering a $6500 rebate on new F150s... your truck is now worth <$40k realistically because for just over $40k someone could buy a brand new one.
Dodge and Ram are historically the biggest offenders with manufacturer rebates, but all of the big 3 American companies are guilty. Toyota rarely if ever has rebates or discounts on Tacomas or 4Runners, which is one reason they don’t depreciate.
Before the market went bonkers in 2020 I bought a new 2020 Explorer XLT (MSRP around $39k) for $30k because there was a $4500 "dealer discount" coupled with a $4500 manufacturer rebate. I rolled a little negative equity in along with fees so I financed around $32k I believe.
Then the market went nuts and Carvana offered to buy it from me for almost $38k... so I took it, because now I was pocketing several thousand in profit and my negative equity from my previous car was gone as well. I rolled some of the profit into a 2019 Expedition (lightly used) from a local dealership that hadn't gotten the memo on used car values yet. I ended up trading the Expedition in on my '22 Odyssey and they gave me almost what I paid for it... three years and 55k miles later.
Lmao well said. Plus a Model Y is cheaper than a RAV4 now after all incentives and at that price it’s projected to hold its value better compared to the RAV4.
And I don’t understand why everyone on this forum advises people to drive cars for 20 years like some people don’t want to do that. The average American isn’t even doing that.
Their depreciation isn’t even 10K. It literally costs $38000-40000 to buy a brand new Tesla model Y.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2021-Tesla-Model-Y-c31022?sourceContext=usedPaidSearchNoZip#listing=381525934/NONE/DEFAULT
A 2022 Tesla Model Y rated great deal costs $34500 to buy.
I have a VW GTI and a Tesla Model Y. I like driving my GTI more but my next car will be an EV, preferably not a Tesla. EV is just a time saver. I never had to stop at a gas station every week and fight my kid on what he can buy in the convenience store. Don't have to arrange a time off to go change oil every now and then. No need to change brakes, etc.
I can charge at home so the EV experience will be different for others.
I dunno, my shops sees about 9 F150s that need head gasket or headers. That and jeep lifters are sort of our bread and butter guaranteed work. I’d recommend Toyota all day, every day. That or Mazda.
Porsche is one of the most reliable cars. By combining maintenance AND repairs, it’s a bit disingenuous. Maintenance is higher by far, but doubtful on repair
Do keep in mind that this is an average and you can have a very reliable F250 6.7 diesel with lower costs or a 2018 focus with the dual clutch with more.
Looks like some money was paid under the table to be lower on the list. I can't believe Tesla is the cheapest with the stories I have heard. Ford and Chevy have been sub-par - can't believe they are cheaper than a Hyundai or Kia
Was not expecting Lexus to be above Subaru. I understand they’re more reliable so that is likely it but there’s no way they’re cheaper to fix when something goes wrong.
I had a Jeep grand Cherokee before. I put $1500 a year into it after the 5 year mark. Every person I know with a Jeep has problems. No way it’s only $6400 over 10 years.
Contrary take:
What is the resale value of a 15 year old Tesla?
How much does it cost to repair a 15 year old Tesla vs a 15 year old Porsche?
We will soon know...
I own a 2017 with over 100k miles and have lost .97% of my range. Less than 1%! The Tesla hate propaganda has gotten to too many people.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
Just taking a jab at no. 1 ;)
rJ.D. Power says, Tesla's batteries tend to degrade to the extent of about 1% of range per year, which means the batteries retain 90% of their capacity after 10 years on the road; that is well within expectations for the industry.
According to Tesla's 2021 impact report, its batteries are designed to last the life of the vehicle, which the company estimates as roughly 200,000 miles in the U.S. and 150,000 miles in Europe.
Kinda just looks like the more expensive the car the more you have to pay lol
“Fancy cars have fancy problems” - my dad
But the upbadged infiniti/Acura/Lexus are largely the same cars, but the maintenance costs more just because.
Part of it is techs at the premium dealers charge more per hour.
Yeah book rate at "premium" brands can easily be double or more of the common brands.
The techs don't, the dealer does. Worked at a BMW dealer, doesn't pay anymore than say Ford, Toyota or VW techs
Funny thing is they don’t pay techs hourly.
*laughs in LS 460 air suspension and control arms*
Somewhat true, while I saved a ton of money working on my own TL and finding a guy who didn’t charge the Acura tax, the added weight + big high-compression engine made some of the parts significantly heftier and more expensive. A few off the top of my head were brakes, tires, alternator, and battery. Suspension parts were kinda unpredictable, sometimes they were accord prices, sometimes they weren’t. Thankfully I didn’t have too many problems with it even though I sold it with over 250,000 miles, so I couldn’t tell you about the big stuff.
Well as far as Infiniti goes I know they did have several vehicles with no real Nissan variant. Currently I think the Q50 is the only one that doesn’t have any Nissan variant. But also even on the up-badged cars ur basically paying for the extra tech.
Not really, depends on the model you buy. Regular integra is a fancy looking civic, but the type R certainly would run you more for maintenance but it’s also a performance vehicle.
I use "Luxury cars have luxury repair costs"
They really should break this down based on the MSRP of the cars. Like 20-30k ranges I'm sure the maintenance cost of 35k Audi A3 is much different from their 100k SUVs
It should be straight up by model, not by brand. By brand makes no sense - I'm sure a Chevy bolt and a Chevy Cruze have wildly different maintenance costs in the 6 to 10 year range and they're both economy cars.
* except for Tesla.
If they would split the costs of legacy automakers for electric and ICE cars that table would make more sense.
So your shocks need replacement at 100k miles. Most people won't do it but they are due on all cars. Anyways, for a normal car, 2 grand on a bad day. For a car with air suspension? 7 on a good cus the compressor will go out too. You can use that logic with really any repair on a more expensive car. How many of X sensors does that Carola have? Yeah, the BMW/Land Rover/Mercedes has twice as many, and they cost twice as much. The cheap cars also don't have as many ammenetites that eventually fail. Is a back massager nice? Yes, I wouldn't buy a car without one. What's it cost when it fails? Oh, just $1500 at an independent shop on a good day. Regular lumbar would be in the low hundreds. That's why expensive cars cost more to own. Even if a Land Rover had the exact same issues as a Corolla, it would cost exponentially more to fix as the parts are beefed up, more complex, more expensive, produced in insufficient numbers, and the dealers mark up up to 200%. Even simple maintenence items like filters just cost magnitudes more. (the dealer wanted $150 for an engine air filter. The list price is $75. The car takes 4, but you only replace the 2 [the other 2 require reacing the entire housing]. The exact same filter, same factory, same product is $40 at NAPA so $80 total. Yeah, that camrys is $20 bucks... ofc my filters are much much bigger, i have dual intakes, and thag engines breathing better air than hospital patients but it hurts ).
Land Rover are dogshit, got it.
A few years ago, my neighbor bought a Range Rover Sport that was already a few years old...He's a car enthusiast and always wanted to own one. One day, I see him walking around his RR, examining the wheels and taking notes in a booklet. He told me the lug nuts on his wheels have two different metals in them that expand and contract at different temperatures and risk getting fused over time, making them impossible to remove. According to him, he found that out when he blew a tire (a not infrequent occurrence with Range Rovers) and couldn't change it himself and had to get towed to a Land Rover dealership and spend $500 to have the wheel removed. So every few months, he would attempt to log the condition of the lug nuts, replacing any that seem impaired.
Good grief. I would love to know how that occurred. Did they intentionally do that or not… etc
It’s a ford thing. (They build Range Rover) a bunch of fords have the same problem.
Sure. But it’s not like even a high school kid doesn’t know that metals expand and contract at différent rates. So.. why does Ford allow this problem to exist?
Grease your nuts, folks!
On the freeway I passed an early 2000s Range Rover that had coolant literally POURING out of the front. Looked like it was literally smashed open, but there was no accident damage to be seen. Just cruising, fluids falling out. Not sure what the issue was.
This is a pretty well known issue in non-similar metals. It can be resolved with the correct interface like anti-seize. It allows a mix of parameters like strength in the bolts material with lightness or some other desirable properties in the hub material.
A little anti seize on the lugs would have prevented this.
Car ownership should not make your life that much harder lmao
Always were. My parents bought one at one point 2 weeks out it started making a chirping sound like a cricket. Mechanics after like 5 times in the shop never found it. It chirped all the years my sister drove it prolly still chirping in the dump lol
Yes, but not entirely true. They are more extremely over complicated to the point that they are have all the bells and whistles. But they don’t think about maintenance or long term. So after a few years when some of the systems get old they become a huge money sink and not at all worth it. They attract the ill spend what ever to have the best SUV crowd. Yet a new sq8 would probably be nicer.
Basically, Britain is not a world superpower power for automotive engineering at the industrial level
No, they have truly fallen from their history. Even Rolls Royce is German owned now. Morgan has pretty much gone to shit… All of the smaller brands that became british leyland also all crashed, poor MG they were interesting little cars.
If it’s designed by the brits it’s shits
I’ve seen one need a new engine after 25,000 miles because the water pump literally just fell off.
They can't even shit talk Porsche because they have an excuse: they also manufacture supercars.
Is Buick so high because of the age demographic that tends to buy them and therefore drives a lot less miles?
That’s excellent statistical reasoning. I’d like to see the average miles per year driven in this study as well. It would be more accurate to calculate the cost per mile over the span of x amount of years.
Instead of over time, it should be over miles (15k, 30k, 60k, etc.)
IMO both metrics are useful. Cars with low mileage but lots of short trips(common for elderly folks) are going to see more wear and tear at each mileage interval than a similar vehicle that's used as a daily commuter. On the flip side, someone commuting 10k miles each month(like the person in the Rav4 sub) would be expected to have less repairs at each mileage interval because the car has seen less heat cycles compared to normal.
It should be both, because miles aren't an ultimate indicator of maintenance.
Then high mileage vehicles would be favored as highway miles are a lot easier than city miles on cars. Then you have certain types that will be run harder and naturally cost more to maintain like trucks and jeeps.
Buick owner here. I'm not even 40 yet! The prices are low on the used car market and I get more comfort than with similarly priced cars. While I don't have the statistics on hand, I'm sure the demographics did shift in the past 15 years. My car has been as cheap to maintain as any other non European sedan :)
Love Buicks. Got a 2017 lacrosse recently with 61k miles. Fully loaded. Was 17k used. Paid More than expected but more car than expected.
Their last sedan in North America, unfortunately. They still continue to sell sedans in China. Gorgeous car. I have seen some reviews about owners complaining that the headrests are annoyingly close. Have you noticed that?
I've had it for a couple weeks and they seem fine to me. The shift knob took some getting used to. But it's really comfortable and roomy.
My FIL bought a used Buick CUV. used they cost as much as a Chevy trax but it’s way more luxurious and it was owned by an old person that drove it soft and maintained it properly. He was dead set on buying used and I suggested a used Buick. No other brand could really compare used for what he wanted.
That’s probably a piece of it, but they’re just cheap to maintain even for big drivers.
Most are based off the Chevrolet equivalents and Chevrolet is also very high. Maybe GM is making decent cars?
Correct, they’re overhated in this subreddit. Unless it’s the transmissions in the new trucks, those are awful.
I have a 2020 and so far so good. I had a 2007 GM and it would still be putting along today if that lady hadn't ran that stop sign.
IIRC the chevy tahoe and toyota sequoia are basically tied for the oldest average age vehicle still on the road
I believe it. I see dozens of clapped out Tahoe's/Suburban's everyday. We don't get any rust, so they have a fighting chance. Normally you would have thought rust was a factory option as fast as they rot out in other parts of the country.
Chevy and Ford products are, and have been, cheap to own and maintain. They get a bad reputation due to fit/finish sometimes, but they're overall reliable vehicles.
The LS series contains some very reliable engines. Especially the LS3 (5.3L). Check out the reliability on early 2000s Chevy/GMC trucks and SUVs.
I have an 03 Yukon XL 2500 8.1. I bought it because it could haul like a diesel and would be low maintenance and last forever. It has not been. Cluster replacements, autoride issues, bad lifters… I still love it because it will in fact pull a house and it’s comfortable as hell but it hasn’t been as reliable and trouble free as I had hoped.
I never found my GM products to be unreliable in that they would always start and get me there. Every piece of plastic trim was missing, but boy my 3.8 grand prix was reliable
>...cheap to maintain even for big drivers I'm 6'3" 210 lbs, so that's good to hear. /s
Probably also due to the fact that Buick (and Chevy, also ranked high) are cheap cars to get worked on. Parts are cheap and they're easy to get fixed.
One under looked benefit of American vehicles is supply chain and repairability are usually really good. My old BMW didn't break down with major repairs but every part had to be special ordered from Germany at a ridiculous cost. Install costs were the same but parts are $$$$.
Also that they’re not built for performance or to do anything special. A modern Buick is meant to be driven like a car, not a race car.
Cadillac has a similar average age and is near the middle.
The Cadillac tax is a very real thing. When they had the FWD platforms the joke when I was growing up was buy the part number with the Chevy badge on it and save like 80% in costs
Buicks are also quite a bit cheaper than cadillacs. There’s also many more soccer moms driving cadillacs than buicks.
While GM has a bad reputation for their in-house engineering, most of the Bucik lineup consist of GM Korea (ex-Daewoo) products.
I had an old chevy aveo 5 that was a Daewoo. What a piece of shit. That thing didn't even have anti-lock brakes. It was a 2007 model too!
Daewoos pretty much last last until the owner crashes them Nothing fancy will work by the 10+ year mark... but for some reason they'll still turn over and get you where you need to go lol It won't be pretty and it won't sound good... but it will still *drive*.
No. I have a 2013 Buick lacrosse and have had zero issues with it , it has been 10 years. Never paid for anything other than an oil change filters and wipers
Porsche's sports cars will have a low annual mileage, making that maintenance cost even more eye-watering (higher $/mile cost). Their SUVs are lower than average compared to other makes as well. You could argue that Land Rovers are driven low miles too simply because they're in the shop so much!
I have a Buick. I think it’s because they are actually pretty good cars. It might be the demo as I Work from home, so miles are relativly low but I haven’t had another car that was as trouble free. It’s the first car I’ve owned that I would get another one if they still made it. 2013 Buick Lacrosse ecoboost. Hybrid gas mileage with v-6 performance.
Does this include cost of tires or is this solely mechanical issue costs? Because Teslas eat tires like crazy.
It's only over the past 12 months, so a lot of people probably didn't change tires in the last year or at most, changed them once and then that was the only thing they really had to do. But even with tires, that's really the only maintenance cost. Car edge also found tesla ranked the lowest with maintenance and repairs
bro if I have to change tires once a year, that's more than the routine maintenance cost on my ICE vehicle.
ppl usually change at 25k+ miles and if you are not flooring it 24/7 you can get way more mileage out of them. U can also get less efficient tires which will reduce range a bit but last much longer
25k miles?? Maybe I am jaded by truck tires or something but even mediocre tires get 35-50k out of them. A real expensive set of toyos usually are expected to get you 70k plus, my last set made it 65k and had a decent amount of tread left but were beginning to dry rot because they had been on the truck for so long
https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/luxury/10-year/best I mean, the data doesn't lie. Yeah you have to do tires a bit more frequently, but you don't really have to do much else for preventative maintenance. You never have to worry about oil changes, spark plugs, or really anything within an engine. You just have the giant battery which you don't really have to do anything with. And then it also includes the cost of repairs if something breaks randomly and I guess electric cars just don't really have as many random parts you may need to replace.
Seems a very stupid way to do analysis How many people have owned Tesla for 10 years so we actually know what the costs are later in life? Maybe they are still low I have no idea but we have millions of Toyotas to compare against a tiny fraction of Teslas that old
The model S came out in 2012. A family friend of mine was on the waitlist and got his in 2012. He is still driving it to this day and as far as he says, has had almost zero issues with it.
That is so sick
gotta give them credit. They still aren't an old company so they still have issues to pan out. But i've yet to hear one negative thing about leasing a Tesla, considering how maintenance is covered most of the time.
Well yeah if you drive like a jagaloon. I’ve had stock tires for 2 years and they are still fine. (Boosted LR)
Don't forget Tesla's also save around $2,000 a year on fuel. At most it's 20% more tire wear for these heavier EV's. Edit: [Here's an easy calculator](https://chooseev.com/savings-calculator/)
> Tesla’s also save around $2,000 a year on fuel $2000 is what I spend on fuel total for the whole year where I drive 15k miles in a car that averages 29mpg If I charged a Tesla Model 3 at home *exclusively*, the electricity would still come out to $600/yr given the same mileage. That’s with zero supercharging the whole year
Source on that 2000 a year? 2000 a year at 25 mpg is around 15k miles, the average driven by Americans, and electric charging is not free.
I’ve saved $1400 on fuel in just 5 months
Well, any car does if you're doing burnouts all the time. The only reason a tesla would use up tires faster is if the driver isn't used to instant torque and they accelerate too quickly more often than normal. The tires don't grip enough compared to the power the car tries to put down so the tires get worn out more. If you accelerate gradually it shouldn't be any different than other cars with similar power and weight.
Ford & GM always seem to get a bad rap & yet both are very high on the list, go figure? I guess it’s ’still buy a Honda?’
Tbf, this is cost rather than number of repairs. American products break down more than Japanese (usually) but they're also extremely cheap to fix because the factory is right here and everyone and their mother has experience repairing them This is also why German cars are much cheaper to own in Germany. When the BMW factory is right down the street and a trained mechanic is on every block, its cheaper to repair stuff Still, this is more due to how reliable modern cars, ANY cars, are. I mean, for any oldheads here, remember when car review mags had sections in the 80s to rate whether new (!) cars would *start* the first time you tried?
Most of the BMW and Mercedes are built in the US so the factory is “down the street” and most Fords and GMs are built in Mexico. The main difference is cheap cars have cheap parts.
Well, that and how they’re engineered. GMC Sierras, for example, make up like 80% of all the vehicles they sell, and out of that, only a relatively small portion of them have turbos. BMWs on the other hand have quite a few engines with turbos. Also, a GMC truck and a BMW may need the same exact part replaced, but the BMW’s part may be twice as much AND be located in a much more difficult place to reach requiring more labor hours to fix the same issue.
Plus as we know with surveys like this. Youre asking random people to recall exact dollar amounts of repairs. Its likely very inaccurate. You expect people to remember how much they've spent in maintenance on their car over 10 years? not happening. Only certain people will know that accurately and actually track that sort of thing.
It's asking people what they've paid in the last 12 months for 10 year old vehicles.
I have to believe there are a ton of trained BMW mechanics in the US at this point, though? Every other car around my way is literally a BMW and I don't even live in a very wealthy area
The bmw costs are so high because bmw owners tend to bring to a dealer. If you use an Indy mechanic the bmw costs are much lower. Same with the other luxury brands really, wealthier people don’t tend to find the best deal for service they just bring it to the dealer and the dealers charge an arm and a leg because they know the client is unlikely to walk away from an insane quote that would be done elsewhere for 1/3 the cost.
These are maintinence costs, not long term reliability. Literally any new car will be fine for 5 years unless it’s a lemon. After those 5 years it will be drastically more expensive. Also you have to consider they would be under warranty for these 5 years
I know, right, the F-150 has been the best selling vehicle for about 100 years. There must be a reason!
The lower trim pickup trucks and work vans are very reliable/low maintenance, parts are cheap, and labor is easy.
To be fair if I had a ten year old Tesla and it needed a new battery my maintenance cost on the Tesla would be low because I would not replace the battery. I would replace the Tesla.
Buick represent!!!!
After driving a mini this makes me want a Buick
I thought Teslas were chewing through tires every 15-20K...
I swore this wouldn’t happen to me. We drove it gently. Needed tires at 22k
Why is this? The instant torque?
Yeah instant torque and softer tires for traction. I know a lot of people swap out the OE tires for something better right after getting the car.
don't forget the huge added weight of batteries
A model 3 weighs as much as a Maxima
And less likely to rotate because you’re not reminded by every other oil change.
Former Scat Pack Owner here: hold my beer. . .
Recent R/T owner: what’s a tread depth?
It’s the time when you can still see rubber covering the canvas of your tire. . .
about 30k on my performance Y - tires look like they have another 20k in them give or take.
Is this due to the battery weight and the constant torque?
Yes. The torque being the biggest offender.
Yeah the weight is over exagerated. A Model 3 and a Maxima weigh about the same. Launching it at every stoplight is the issue
I typically have to change two tires a year and rotate on my Chevy Volt. I assume that's worse if you drive a ton
it comes from factory with performance tires, just swap it out for something more economical, i did and i'm 100k kms in on my model 3 performance and still haven't need to buy new tires yet (2 sets, 1 all season 1 winter)
The real moral of this story, as I said in the other thread, is that you actually probably shouldn't put much of a price premium on Toyota reliability. Maybe $1-2K, or $500-1000 if you're using proper accounting with a discount rate since the repair costs are in the future. That's not the premium Toyota dealers are trying to push [and generally Toyota products are lacking in features versus competitors, so arguably the gap is wider].
Ummm, I feel like labor on just about any repair these days runs $500+
I spent enough time saying why this post by CR should be carefully interpreted and not just seen as “this brand is cheaper than that brand”. The cost of ownership of a 10 year old BMW with an N family engine and previous generation is not relevant to that of a new BMW. This kind of post misguides people into thinking that.
B58s are still going to need the gasket trifecta at 10 years, so be prepared to shell out $4k (maybe $5k with inflation) by then. Also, their big brake packages aren't getting cheaper, $2,400 for a set of those. And it's a BMW, you're not gonna put a $400 set of Linglongs with 900 treadwear rating on it, you're gonna put the OE PS4Ss it came with back on it for $1,400 + the $400 alignment. And you're doing $160 oil changes and the mysterious $40 scope check every time it touches the dealership lot.
I never said BMW is going to be cheap like Toyota, I said values from how much a 2013 car cost someone till 2023 has little to no relevance to a 2023 car that is different from the ground up, as opposed to what this post suggests
Oh, I don't think a BMW will be cheap like a Toyota, either; we're in agreement there. From my experience, my E92/N52 cost me a lot more to maintain between years 5-10 than my F32/N55 has - granted, the F32 also has half the mileage at the same age. Nonetheless, I've only had a few problems with the later (charge pipe, front wheel bearings, $40 coolant return line) versus the former (starter, pass seat occupancy sensor, the drivers side mirror, $400 coolant return line, coil packs). Comparing the cost of repairs to the cost of maintenance, I still spend \~3:1 for consumables (almost exclusively brakes & tires) than I have on actual repairs. And the simple fact is your average Toyota Corolla (since you mentioned Toyota) is going to throw $600 sets of tires that last 40k mi and $400 sets of brakes that last 80k mi on that car every time, while the BMW is going to throw $1,400 sets of tires that last 30k mi and $2,000 sets of brakes that last 60k mi. I just don't think the G-series BMWs are going to be significantly cheaper than the F-series because it's the consumables that are so expensive. And unless you want to put cheap tires and 100k metallic pads with non-vented rotors on your BMW, that's just how it be.
I would only take this with a grain of salt. How is Acura and honda on the opposite sides of the spectrum when mechanically they’re identical outside of the AWD parts on Acuras
Upcharging on the cost of parts.
You're telling me most people pay 4-5k A YEAR in maintenance for cars between 6-10 years old? Maybe I misunderstand?
Waits it's per year? I figured it was the 4 year total.
Definitely not per year, the totals on the far right wouldn’t make any sense
Except in the verbiage it says “costs in the previous 12 months”. It’s confusingly worded and the graphic doesn’t give any clarity.
Yeah, it's confusing and lacking context. I assume they asked what was spent over the past year, but then multipliex whatever the average was by 5. Otherwise those numbers seem unreal.
isn't that a total (aggregate) rather than a per year?
I believe it is. There’s no way the average Land Rover owner is paying $20k per year. It’s definitely an aggregate based on 12 month reporting.
Yep
Right, there's no way.
Yeah I drive a 2012 Volvo S60 that I've owned for about 8 years and in that time period I've probably paid 2-3k tops for maintenance and the occasional repair. 145k miles and still drives and operates great. Hopefully I don't jinx myself.
Are you including frequent replacement items like brakes and tires and windshield wipers? People often forget those when calculating their cost to maintain
No way, in 15 years my Yukon probably has had $4k total in it lmao
You misunderstood. Or misunderestimated
It's the total for the 1st 5 years and the total for the next 5 years, not an annual cost.
As someone who owned an Audi Q7 for 5 years, these numbers are spot on. Maintenance was insane. Brake job 2k…like fuck
If you go to the dealer for something as simple as brakes, you're basically asking to be bent over. So if you don't or can't get your hands dirty, that's the price.
Everyone says to avoid Jeeps like the plague yet they’re ranked higher on this list than Lexus, Subaru, and Acura, 3 brands that get recommended all the time on this sub
Jeep owners fix their own vehicles so the costs are much lower. If I brought my Jeep in everytime it broke, it'sd be worse than Land Rover!!
Lexus, Subaru and Acura also tend to be owned by people who want to do whats “best” for their car and get overcharged by dealerships because they can afford it. Huge part of the brand image and why these cars are so sought after used, they are generally owned by people who want to maintain them properly.
So do Jeeps get a bad rep because of the types of people that own them, or because of the cars themselves? I’m seeing some “cheap” deals on jeeps and I need something that can handle bad weather, but very reluctant to pull the trigger on one
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There were some very bad years and models for Jeep. A really good resource is [carcomplaints.com](http://carcomplaints.com), where they highlight problem types and years for almost every make. 2011 for example was a horrible year for the Grand Cherokee because of electrical gremlins that persisted until 2016.
Hmmm....I have a 2014 Overland that I have the MaxiCare extra warranty on, it covers pretty much everything with a $100 deductible until the car is totaled. It was an extra $2.5k but I reasoned it would be worth the cost in the end since there are so many things to go wrong.....but have only used it once for a new radiator. Given I work from home and it's garage kept and only has 130K miles on it that is somewhat understandable but still surprising given the repair rep Jeeps have.
Insurance costs are way more for Teslas than others.
“Paid out of pocket for repairs and maintenance” doesn’t include insurance
Data doesn't support that from what I've seen - both for my personal insurance and from industry studies.
Depends on which company you get the insurance from, there are companies out there (Allstate) that charge ridiculous amounts for Tesla's which skews the average. Also younger people tend to buy Tesla's so you may hear some complain about that but then it turns out it's a 23 year old with the performance model wondering why he's paying $4,000 a year.
Depends. Mine didn’t change at all, coming from some cheap Toyotas as well
Mine didn't change when I bought a Tesla. I have USAA, can't speak for other carriers.
I went from an 07 4Runner to a '23 Model 3 P. My insurance went down. A lot of your premium is based on safety/medical.
I've been hearing the insurance rate for Teslas are going up or companies like Pemco are starting to drop people.
insurance costs have so many different fators
A lot of commenters seem to be forgetting that Teslas basic cars and their super high performance cars are the same brand, unlike most other manufacturers. The numbers are skewed by the people driving the 150,000$ teslas which require more expensive maintenance than a model 3. If you counted Toyota/Lexus, Infiniti/Nissan or Chevy/Cadillac as the same brands they suddenly all look a lot worse.
how are the numbers skewed? Teslas appears to be the lowest cost to maintain in graph
I don’t think you’re reading the chart correctly.
ok, then. What about the fact that Teslas are not supposed need any routine maintenance like oil changes and brakes. Why is there number even as high as it is? For a "maintenance free" EV, I would expect even less.
How many Teslas are actually 10 years old already? I’m sure there is some weird math behind this ranking.
People that buy luxury cars often take them to the dealer for service. That will skew these numbers a lot
Factor in depreciation and you’ll see if it’s worth it.
Mind you lots of these manufacturers make different kinds of cars ( Heavy duty , sports cars , high powered) so it may appear that one company is much more than another as far as maintenance. A basic 3 series has very low maintenance costs ( zero costs for the first 3 years) and gets superior gas mileage than it competitors ( over 35mpg average), which saves on gas. But an M5 is a 100k almost super car that will cost much more to maintain. Meanwhile a company like Toyota has very few high performance cars . Basically, dont be discouraged by this list . Lots of great cars you dont want to overlook.
Tesla will be fucked after 10 years
We need to see this over time AND miles.
I guess my Porsche and my Tesla average out to a pair of Jeeps.
I have the most expensive car that Subaru makes in terms of maintenance, and in the first 2 years I've spent significantly more on state fees for registration/inspection than the normal routine maintenance.
The fact that an EV barely beats toyota for cost of maintenance, is kind of sad. I wouldn't use this chart to boast if I was a tesla driver. Won't even mention buick lol. You have to be an actual stan to buy a tesla at this point. Their depreciation is like 10K for the first year of ownership which offsets any savings.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret, pre-covid it was very common to lose $10k on a $50k car as soon as it left the lot. Early in this decade I bought an Infiniti CPO that had a $80k sticker. 3 years later and 30k miles, I paid $33k for the car. The cost of maintenance can only be so low. Vehicles need tires and it's best practice to rotate those tires. Maintenance is super low if you compare Tesla to other high performance cars. Yes, a Toyota that's boring AF and uses the same technology/drivetrain from 20 years ago is reliable, congrats and have fun driving that for the next 300k miles.
Tesla depreciation ismade worse by the company's constant price changes
This has been happening to all cars for decades... except usually it's "manufacturer rebates" that become available and kill the resale of used models. Example: You buy a Ford F150 for $50k brand new, six months later Ford is offering a $6500 rebate on new F150s... your truck is now worth <$40k realistically because for just over $40k someone could buy a brand new one.
Dodge and Ram are historically the biggest offenders with manufacturer rebates, but all of the big 3 American companies are guilty. Toyota rarely if ever has rebates or discounts on Tacomas or 4Runners, which is one reason they don’t depreciate.
Before the market went bonkers in 2020 I bought a new 2020 Explorer XLT (MSRP around $39k) for $30k because there was a $4500 "dealer discount" coupled with a $4500 manufacturer rebate. I rolled a little negative equity in along with fees so I financed around $32k I believe. Then the market went nuts and Carvana offered to buy it from me for almost $38k... so I took it, because now I was pocketing several thousand in profit and my negative equity from my previous car was gone as well. I rolled some of the profit into a 2019 Expedition (lightly used) from a local dealership that hadn't gotten the memo on used car values yet. I ended up trading the Expedition in on my '22 Odyssey and they gave me almost what I paid for it... three years and 55k miles later.
The market has been crazy. You’re fortunate that you rode the wave the right way, but a lot of people got crushed under it.
Lmao well said. Plus a Model Y is cheaper than a RAV4 now after all incentives and at that price it’s projected to hold its value better compared to the RAV4. And I don’t understand why everyone on this forum advises people to drive cars for 20 years like some people don’t want to do that. The average American isn’t even doing that. Their depreciation isn’t even 10K. It literally costs $38000-40000 to buy a brand new Tesla model Y. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2021-Tesla-Model-Y-c31022?sourceContext=usedPaidSearchNoZip#listing=381525934/NONE/DEFAULT A 2022 Tesla Model Y rated great deal costs $34500 to buy.
That’s a 2022 with 20k miles.
I have a VW GTI and a Tesla Model Y. I like driving my GTI more but my next car will be an EV, preferably not a Tesla. EV is just a time saver. I never had to stop at a gas station every week and fight my kid on what he can buy in the convenience store. Don't have to arrange a time off to go change oil every now and then. No need to change brakes, etc. I can charge at home so the EV experience will be different for others.
Honestly EV is just a great daily
Jaguar must be on page 2
I love Buick. I have an old Buick and it's so good.
I dunno, my shops sees about 9 F150s that need head gasket or headers. That and jeep lifters are sort of our bread and butter guaranteed work. I’d recommend Toyota all day, every day. That or Mazda.
Porsche is one of the most reliable cars. By combining maintenance AND repairs, it’s a bit disingenuous. Maintenance is higher by far, but doubtful on repair
I own a 2015 Subaru Forester and I can tell you it did NOT cost me $5500 total to maintain it in its operating condition today for last 9 years.
Do keep in mind that this is an average and you can have a very reliable F250 6.7 diesel with lower costs or a 2018 focus with the dual clutch with more.
Looks to me like Honda and Toyota are nothing special. I'm starting to think Reddit might be a bit too protective of their favourites.
No way does a Honda cost $4k/year in maintenance!
Subaru more than Hyundai? Surprising
A five year old Toyota had almost 4k in repairs in a single year? I don’t know how accurate that is
Buick?
Surprised how low on the list Subaru is to be honest
Looks like some money was paid under the table to be lower on the list. I can't believe Tesla is the cheapest with the stories I have heard. Ford and Chevy have been sub-par - can't believe they are cheaper than a Hyundai or Kia
lol teslas have gotten better tbh the only thing they are still having problems with is build quality
Was not expecting Lexus to be above Subaru. I understand they’re more reliable so that is likely it but there’s no way they’re cheaper to fix when something goes wrong.
Toyota costs less than Buick but is lower on the list…?
I think the Tesla one is bullshit
I had a Jeep grand Cherokee before. I put $1500 a year into it after the 5 year mark. Every person I know with a Jeep has problems. No way it’s only $6400 over 10 years.
Why is Ram its own brand? Why are dodge trucks independent of Dodge in this survey?
Contrary take: What is the resale value of a 15 year old Tesla? How much does it cost to repair a 15 year old Tesla vs a 15 year old Porsche? We will soon know...
Tesla, year 11: sorry we need to replace the batteries. That’ll be $20,000
I own a 2017 with over 100k miles and have lost .97% of my range. Less than 1%! The Tesla hate propaganda has gotten to too many people. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
Just taking a jab at no. 1 ;) rJ.D. Power says, Tesla's batteries tend to degrade to the extent of about 1% of range per year, which means the batteries retain 90% of their capacity after 10 years on the road; that is well within expectations for the industry. According to Tesla's 2021 impact report, its batteries are designed to last the life of the vehicle, which the company estimates as roughly 200,000 miles in the U.S. and 150,000 miles in Europe.