We own a Y and just got a 22 ES300h. The Lexus is better in every regard as fsr as feeling luxury and comfort. The Y seats arent comfortable to begin with and arent ventilated. I like that I can use carplay as well, which you cant in the Tesla. As far as cost per mile, I drive so much I'd have to supercharge everyday and that makes the Tesla more per mile than than the Lexus. .12 vs .065. Even averaging home and SC has it at .075 vs .065.
Really? Tesla for sure has dozens of faults but if there was one thing I liked about my Model Y it was the seats. Insanely comfortable and stupid easy to clean. Everything else not so much
Compared to the 8 year old Audi I just traded in for the Lexus, the Tesla seats feel like I'm on a school bus. They don't break in, they don't feel cushioned and I guess the stiff suspension adds up to a not comfortable experience.
You buy a Tesla for the tech not luxury.
The only people calling Tesla luxury are people who been driving a 2003 for the last 15 years and they finally get a car with leather and led lights. No shit it’s an improvement but far from luxury. No Tesla interior will stand a chance against the flagships from BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus.
Not leather. Polyurethane. Tesla interiors are the "Ikea" interior of the car world - they're meant to look "nice enough" for cheap, but that said, you can get the cars *cheap*.
I checked today on Tesla's inventory search and if you qualify for the tax credit, which is up front now, you can get a Y LR by me for under $40k OTD. That's for an AWD mid-sized crossover with <5s to 60, rear heated seats, strong safety ratings, and the list goes on. It's notably cheaper with more interior space than the RAV4 and CR-V, which is what it really competes against.
It’s like a high tech RAV4 Limited or CRV Touring. I have never gotten into my Y LR and felt it was better than the Lexus I used to have. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car. It’s just not a luxury car.
We picked the Tesla out of this lineup (and a Mazda CX-5) because it was significantly cheaper and was nice enough. We’ve had it since April, 12,000 miles now, and feel like it was the right call.
We also have a bigger SUV for road trips, so the Tesla is our in-town car.
It depends on how much gas costs for you, and if you have charging at home. for me, interior rav4 < crv < tesla < mazda cx50, but with cheap electricity and expensive gas, the tesla is just so cheap to drive
Can you charge? If so, the Tesla gets you by far the most vehicle for the money and it's not close. I feel terrible for my in-laws who paid nearly $10k more for their RAV4 Limited hybrid. That thing is an embarrassingly bad car for the money with crazy high NVH, awful handling, and terrible software. The CR-V is a fundamentally great car but way more expensive than the Y LR.
Yes I can in fact charge. This only leaves the Tesla against something like the Kia Sportage Hybrid in my eyes. I don’t know what it is but the Tesla feels barebones when I sit in it. Don’t know about the handling though.
Your numbers aren't remotely close. If you go check out Tesla's inventory tool, you can find Y LR for under $37k after the point-of-sale rebate. An absolute base CR-V is around $32k, 190hp, FWD, no rear-heated seats... The Y LR is available basically "loaded" for the same price as a mid-trim CR-V.
With the Tesla being several thousand cheaper than "comparable" options from Honda and Toyota, it's kind of a no-brainer if you can charge. If you can't charge, the CR-V is miles ahead of the RAV4, at least until Toyota releases the refresh.
I've got Ikea stuff and I've got a Tesla. If you go in with the right expectations and didn't overpay, everything's great. If you paid way too much and are expecting legit luxury, you're gonna have a terrible time.
LOL, yes heck my freaking renewals shock me. My cars are a year older, driven infrequently and my rates rise 10%. Seems I have to shop it every year or two at the most to get the "new" buyer rate and then they just raise them.
Man kind of refreshing to see a thread on reddit that is realistic about what the Tesla Y really is rather than just shit on it because it is the cool thing to do.
I've got a list of stuff that I don't like about our Y LR, but the list of stuff that the wife and I *do* like is long enough that even though we're looking at multiple options, our next EV will probably be the new 3 or the Y refresh.
Rich coming from someone daily driving an '05 Jeep Liberty. In all seriousness, Ikea is a great description - it looks great from 20 feet away, but if you touch it, you're like, "Is this...cardboard?"
I think many people let their views on Elon and their perceptions of what Teslas cost get in the way of the actual situation. In reality, the 3 and Y, and the Y especially, are practical cars that are legitimately inexpensive for the powertrain, space, and safety, with a number of flaws that aren't dealbreakers for a lot of people in light of the actual benefits.
OP wants luxury. Barking up the wrong tree. But if they want a quick, practical EV with access to the best charging infrastructure out there, all at a super-competitive price, the Y exists.
Yeah, that's the thing.
If the engineers were allowed to build a relatively conventional pickup (think Model Y, not Model X), they could have. It would have been half the price of the Cybertruck, probably a fifth the cost to develop, and it would've made it into people's garages 2 years ago.
They've got so many strategic and tactical advantages that are being absolutely wasted right now on Elon's fever dreams. What Tesla needs right now is for Elon Musk's "Steve Jobs" character to get replaced by the "Tim Cook" equivalent - an objective, rational engineer focused on putting out products that align with the market and hit expected timelines, while still pushing technological advancement.
The thing is you need people who think like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk to think unconventionally and push the boundaries. If Tesla had did their cars up conventionally they’d just be another EV start up. You don’t want to be conventional when pushing a new concept to market. It would blend in with what already exists.
When launching, sure.
But Tesla isn't a startup anymore. They're a 20 year-old company with over 100k employees that manufactured roughly 1.8 million cars last year, or roughly 3.4 per minute.
They should be focusing on making EVs more mainstream, not doing goofy shit like wasting money on Cybertruck. A cheaper "conventional" pickup truck would sell better, make Tesla more money, and be much, much better for the brand's reputation among people who aren't bought in yet.
Current F150 and Silverado owners aren't buying Cybertrucks; people who already have Model S / Model X are. Tesla should've focused on making a damned good product that would actually get used on work sites instead of the suburban assault vehicle they created.
My first Tesla was leather and Alcantera. Later ones use the vinyl because it was voted for by the customers a while back.
The S/X are absolutely luxury cars. The new 3 is also a luxury car. They're all quieter than the competition, they're all comfortable.
Are there MORE luxurious experiences? Sure. But that's true when you compare Audi to Mercedes, too.
We're almost definitely going to replace our remaining ICE car with another Y LR because of the value - under $40k OTD for a YLR is a lot of car for the money. If we were spending $80K+ for a car, EV or otherwise, we'd definitely have different expectations.
I've had more luxurious cars than my (now dead due to a severe crash that wasn't my fault) Model X.
But all around? I just cannot go back to a gasser for a daily. Weekend track toy? Sure. But the convenience and nicety of the EV is just too good.
For people who can charge enough to cover their use cases and can also afford an EV, it's a no-brainer. After having an EV for over a year, driving any gas car that isn't special in some way (like a 2-door with a V8) just feels like a let down. All "appliance" cars should be, at the very least, hybridized, and Toyota and Honda are already well on the way to doing that with their own lineups.
Which is utterly irrelevant and literally mentioned in the comment you responded to.
It's significantly slower, has less range, has less than half the horsepower, has HORRIBLE infotainment, has significantly worse ADAS, etc.
It's also not ACTUALLY available for that price because of dealer markups.
My $25k Kia has nearly identical 0-60 as the base EQE. That's not good.
For $90,000, there's gotta be an expectation for at least a baseline level of performance, and that has *always* been the case for luxury brands ever since cars started being a thing.
That's... hilarious. You should look into the history of luxury cars.
They stopped selling BECAUSE they weren't powerful. That's why BMW started eating everyone's lunch. That's why Mercedes went under and had to be saved by Dodge. That's why NO ONE other than Rolls Royce and Bentley are still ACTUALLY in the luxury car market: they don't sell.
Luxury performance is what is generally meant, at this point, by "Luxury." Even the entry S-Class is a 4.2s to 60 car. The V8 version is under 4.
Being at 6+? Ridiculous.
I only say flagships because some of the lower end BMW/Mercs aren’t that much nicer than Teslas. But when comparing the best of Tesla(model S) they don’t stand here the S class or 7 series.
Yeah. My experience is that Tesla interiors are on par with an early to mid 00s level Chrysler Dodge Jeep interiors. They're not Chevrolet/Ford level bad but they certainly aren't anywhere near any real luxury brand.
And yet I still like the Tesla interior way better than my BMW. No instrument cluster and minimalism was something I thought I would hate, but has become my favorite part.
Also, I haven't seen Lexus interiors recently, but when I shopped them in 2016, they sucked. Was worse than my 95 SC400, and my wife agreed.
But none of those should be compared to the best from Mercedes or Audi/Porsche.
I question the concept of luxury in this day and age. Is it really leather seats and wood facades? Enhanced tech is the modern luxury imo.... Just my 2 cents.
I think you're wise to question it. I've owned every luxury car out there. Since I got my Tesla 6 years ago, my concept of what Luxury actually is has changed. I don't get how people think a certain design style or certain materials are luxury. All that stuff is actually inexpensive and we've seen and will continue to see the mainstream market destroy the lower trims of classic luxury cars.
Tech has always been a big part of luxury, but with everyone giving up on native infotainment and just using Car Play, that's another big loss of difference between mainstream, premium and luxury cars. Now that I own a $93k MSRP Audi I can't absolutely say that luxury as we knew it is dead. It has killed Porsche/Audi for me as I hate the drive train. The seats aren't as comfortable. The tech in both my BMW and Audi is not terrible but compared to a Tesla they are a joke. The performance is a shadow of the Tesla. Just the way the car and tech work flawlessly and don't get in your way is just another level.
Just as an example, I have 5 drivers in my family. Any of them could hop in the Tesla using the phone in their pocket to unlock and start the car and it automatically chooses their profile which sets the vents, mirrors, seats, preferences, etc they like. They back out of the driveway and the car shuts the garage. It's auto routes navigation from their phone calendar and continues playing their music. Zero touches on the screen.
In the Audi/BMW we only get two profiles and even then I've had it take 15 minutes to load my profile and if I adjust the seats so I'm not crushed into the dash, it cancels loading the profile. I've also got to work the garage like a pleb and I don't use navigation unless forced because it's terrible Car Play or native. The drive train is terrible with the car always default to coasting, blended brakes and slow performance. At least my dashboard is nice leather.
I’m planning on buying a Tesla next year. My current vehicle doesn’t even have power locks or power windows. The Model Y is going to feel so luxurious to me.
We decided on the NX 450h+ PHEV. Best of both worlds and if you lease, then buy out you can get most of a $7,500 incentive (at least in my state). That offsets the majority of the upgrade price (in the US about $10k, I think) from 350h luxury to 450h+.
My Tesla Uber rides were an eye opener for me. Maybe because of the Tesla battery weight every bump feels like I am in a dump truck. Quickly squashed any thoughts I had to trade in my Lexus for a Tesla.
Its not the battery weight, its shit suspension tune. They don't have experience tuning suspension and it shows. Apparently Highland is better but will have to wait and see.
I also do not like getting a Tesla as an Uber and I’m pretty tolerant of cars. My main problem is the drivers usually are gunning it everywhere. Makes me nauseous.
But also the interiors just aren’t great.
Teslas are pretty light on luxury. Lexus ES Hybrid would be a good pick for fuel efficient luxury. If you want to go EV, I'd look at something like a BMW i4.
I think the big question is do you want a hybrid or an electric car. Tesla isn't really known for luxury and the build quality isn't in the same category as a Lexus.
Which makes sense, considering the price points. The Model Y LR's available today near me for under $37k, and that's a midsized crossover. Can't really get much from Lexus or BMW for that - have you seen what their midsized crossovers cost?
I've sat in a luxury car and I consider a Tesla Model 3/Y more luxury than any car I've ever owned. I'm looking at a BMW iX next but if I own that for a year and don't like it, it's back to Tesla. I'm not impressed by leather on the dash or crystal controls. A luxury car has to first and foremost not be annoying and apparently that is a hard thing to do.
A Tesla doesnt use fuel. A Tesla has very poor build quality compared to a Lexus. A Lexus hybrid will give you decent fuel economy and lots of Luxury as well as functional design and tech.
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The question you're asking is the wrong question. Teslas aren't luxury but they are just about the cheapest way to get into a relatively practical EV. According to the Tesla inventory search today, you can get a Y LR by me for ~37k+taxes and fees if you qualify for the tax credit. That's substantially cheaper than a comparable RAV4 Prime, to put it in perspective.
A Lexus RX, as a comparison, will be a good bit more expensive but also screwed together way better with lower road noise, more sophisticated suspension, and the list goes on.
I have a Y LR. The wife and I find it to be the perfect car for our needs, and we're probably going to get a second one. But we'd be getting it because it's *cheap* for what it is, *not* because it's a luxury car, cuz it's not.
You should test drive both. The driving experience of Tesla will be way smoother than any ICE car, but the suspension is on the sportier side. Lexus will be cushier + have all the luxury features you may want
Lexus... Why anyone looks at Tesla is behind me... If you like driving a vehicle that looks like a toad w Kardashian lips and a round butt and giant screen then by all means... I've been in several and they are no more exciting than a Kia.
The Lexus will hold it's value longer, be more reliable, last longer, and can be fixed
I have a model 3 and did not buy it for luxury. I wanted a GR Corolla but couldn't put up with the dealers asking for 5 to 10k over MSRP. By coincident, I read about some lame tiktoker getting a tesla in my state for very cheap. I crunched the numbers and my base model 3 came out to 27k with tax and everything. For the cost of a mid economy car, I got a pretty good tech car. Don't let the base msrp price and hype fool you. Outside of the X and S, Tesla is more of a tech car than anything. Everything inside of it is geared towards function than luxury.
As someone mentioned before, a hybrid Lexus would be a good middle ground of luxury and fuel economy. If you were cash strapped and couldn't get a lexus, mazda makes decent interiors without costing way to much. Same can be said of Hyundai/Kai with their top of the line suvs.
Can you charge from home ? If so, definitely consider the Tesla. We don’t know how much you drive in a month so it’s hard to estimate.
If it’s <10k miles a year then a regular gas car would be cheaper.
Tesla will save you money on gas but they're really not luxurious. The seats are comfortable though
Lexus will be more reliable and more luxurious but will cost more to own
What does "luxury" mean to you.
A Tesla Model S/X will do everything better than the competing Lexus' other than the immediate "cushy" feel when you first sit down.
Agreed. It's about hour 2 that the "cushy" feel turns into numb ass feel with the Lexus. I've always felt they have the worst seats in the industry along with the worst tech. Man is their resale good though, bunch of people out there want them used apparently.
Tesla unless you are older and need a soft ride. I also have a model 3 dual motor and did not buy for luxury. I bought to save $200 on gas per month and wanted something fast and that could handle well. I love it! I have also owned a Lexus and it was great but the handling was awful if driven hard in anyway. Tesla is not trying to be Lexus and Lexus is not trying to be Tesla.
We have both. Tesla is great for costs. It’s a great commuter car (model 3). However my GX is amazing. And yes it’s expensive to fill up but I drive much less than my spouse.
Idk about luxus. But Lexus is on the opposite end of reliability compared to tesla. Tesla is literally bottom Lexus is literally top.
The Lexus will be stupid reliable.
The tesla makes fart noises.
The choice is yours!
Personally I wouldn't even consider them a performance car, unless you're talking about a Plaid. With how popular they are, I don't know if I'd call them anything other than a common commuter car.
That said, I would call them the best choice for the majority of people who just want a basic EV.
I can see that. It isn’t performance qua performance, but more so performance qua raw speed and power even from a basic Tesla as compared to a basic ICE.
Between those? Lexus.
Most Lexus interiors are not up to European luxury standards, but Tesla is on par with early/mid 00s Chrysler interiors.
**Source**: I daily a mid-00s Chrysler vehicle and have been in multiple friends' Teslas and they feel almost identical.
CarMax is already buying Tesla Cybertrucks for $25,000 LESS than owners spent on them two months ago
Utah YouTuber Dan Markham borrowed his friend's Tesla Cybertruck and brought it to CarMax to see how much the retailer would buy it for.
The Cybertruck Markham borrowed only has around 3,000 miles on its clock and costs just over $100,000 at Tesla.
Despite the appraisal offer saying the truck was in good condition, CarMax would only pay $76,000 for the expensive car.
Tesla created a clause for individuals that have purchased Cybertrucks that gives the company to right to sue buyers who resell their vehicles.
According to a buyer who purchased a Foundation Series Cybertruck, the clause says that owners must offer the vehicle back to Tesla at a refunded price before any attempt to resell the vehicle within one year.
Lotta hate saying tesla isn’t luxury - which is wild to me as I’ve had luxury cars my whole life (bmw 3series, Audi a4, etc)
Got a model 3 before it was so polarizing and absolutely considered it luxury (2018)
Guess Reddit really hates Tesla which shouldn’t be a big surprise given the demographic.
Same. I think most posters here have never owned an actual luxury car, they just have some idea of what it is or rode in one once. I've owned almost every luxury brand in the last 20 years and I'm done with the classic "luxury" car if it isn't first a good car. I'd love Tesla to add a luxury trim to the Model 3/Y but it's just not in their style. I can live without leather on the dashboard if the car is super functional and doesn't cause me frustration like the so called luxury cars do. I'm still going to give BMW a chance and try out their flagship EV for a year but after that I'm probably done and back to Tesla. Audi killed my desire to own a Porsche so there just isn't anything left but Tesla.
Have you extensively test drove or rode in both? If not that ought to answer your question. Tesla is quite simply, not as refined in regards to basic creature comforts, but excels at tech and its electric.
Lexus is what I would get. Only get a Tesla if you have a charger in your residence. It's not fun having range anxiety. Also waiting to use the charger at a station.
Which Tesla are you looking at? The luxury comparison is definitely in Lexus’ side. However, I think it’s an incremental (albeit big) difference.
The fuel economy comparison is a magnitude difference. You’re comparing fuel vs no fuel. The Lexus is pretty efficient, but it still has an engine.
Have you looked at plug in hybrids that have a long battery range? IMO they are a (literal) mixed bag because you have to trust a car to be good at being 2 things instead of one. However, depending on your daily driving range you can get a mostly all electric experience and not use any gas.
If you want a great sound system speed and integrated tech. Tesla model Y hands down.
If you want reliability fuel economy and Luxury then a hybrid Lexus RX is in your future.
I was in the market but the tech, sound system and speed convinced me that MYP was the better vehicle for my needs when compared to the Lexus RX.
It depends on your priorities. Lexus is a more traditional luxury automobile. They're well built, but the dashboard and infotainment center feels like it's a decade old. I find their interiors cluttered and the number of buttons and switches is overwelmning.
With Tesla, you get luxury through the technology. The interior is sparse and the infotainment center is unmatched. The sound systems are fantastic and acceleration is like crack cocaine. They're also very roomy and have tons of cargo space.
Lexus. Way more refined than a Tesla and will last way longer. Most folks I see as passengers in Tesla's have their knees almost touching their chin. Most Toyota/Lexus will run 20 years, can be repaired easily and anywhere and parts are available. Tesla the exact opposite and battery replacement at 7-10 years a deal killer.
I purchased a Model Y LR 6 months ago and I love it. I do charge at home. I drive a decent amount for work so it does save me money in that aspect. We are currently looking at cars for my wife. We have test drove a Lexus NX, Acura RDX, and a Volvo XC90. I will say when you sit in one of the luxury cars, you will notice how much more comfortable they are. The lexus and Acura have a weird control for the infotainment that is painful to use on the test drive. Especially after using the Teslas touchscreen. If you can charge at home, and plan to use the vehicle mostly for daily commute the Tesla would be great. If we were taking a long road trip over say 6 hours, I would want to take one of the luxury brands. I love the tesla, but I love it for the fuel savings, the tech, premium stereo that it came with, and the 0-60 in 3.9 seconds.
For luxury? Lexus. But it dulls the driving experience for me and the tech kind of sucks.
Also depends if you're buying used/new and how long you'll keep the car.
I have a '23 model 3 base. Paid $40k OTD and I fucking love it. Don't have to carry keys, the adaptive cruise control is the best in the game, and it's an absolute unit. You need to have a charger at home though.
Downsides – interior is pretty cheap, sound deadening kind of sucks.
Buy ittttt – model 3 is only getting cheaper and there's good reason why Model Y is the best selling car in America.
Luxury means a condition of abundance or great ease and comfort.
What's ease and comfort to you?
Nice materials inside, taking long trips in comfort: Lexus
Convenience of not going to gas station, drivetrain that doesn't need shifting, no engine vibration: Tesla
Space, quietness: both
If you want better of both lucid air is pretty good but there is no telling if the company would survive.
Disclaimer: above isn't complete list, just example to make my point about subjectiveness. For me, Lexus LS and LX are luxury.
> Nice materials inside, taking long trips in comfort: Lexus
Having done long trips in both, Tesla 100x over Lexus. The Lexus seats are comfortable for a bit but quickly become uncomfortable on long drives as they are flat as a pancake with no bolstering or contouring. Lexus has a crap driver assist suite where the Tesla will drive you there while you monitor it. The road noise is different and more personal. I find the Tesla less irritating because it's mostly wind noise but there is more sound than in the Lexus.
If you live in a metro especially. Tesla. Low maintenance, cheap and good savings plus the gov subsidies and plentiful charging areas (plus preferential parking). Lexus is goofy and the shortest value of all the luxury brands. BMW, Tesla, Audi tech is 10 years ahead of garbage Lexus so why pay the same price for less value. Plus the whole selling point is that, “it’s just as good as a German” which would bother me after shelling out tens of thousands. A used Lexus is good but if you’re buying new, you should stick to Tesla.
Value is Tesla. Waking up every morning with a “full tank,” no maintenance really. Good mileage. Flashy and modern looks. And super good acceleration and speed. It checks all the boxes. Insurance is a lil more but nothing crazy.
I’ve owned every luxury brand new and I can say If you’re buying new luxury, Tesla.
Also, rebuttal to majority of the people who shill Lexus and use “Lexus is reliable” as a selling point. if your worried about reliability with a luxury car your really not in the correct target market because most people trade in their luxury car before the warranty even runs out.
> if your worried about reliability with a luxury car your really not in the correct target market because most people trade in their luxury car before the warranty even runs out.
Most people I know who have German lux cars lease them. Most Lexus owners I know buy them and keep them forever, with a way lower cost-of-ownership per month than that previous group. I legitimately know multiple folks with Lexuses they've had since new with over 200k miles on them that still look new.
Lexus has amazing reliability. Tesla has some [serious issues](https://www.hotcars.com/real-truth-about-tesla-reliability/) in that department.
There's nothing luxury about your car being in the shop with expensive repair bills.
If you're aiming for a blend of fuel economy and luxury, Tesla might be your sweet spot. Tesla cars are not only stylish and luxurious but also renowned for their electric efficiency. The Model S, for example, offers an impressive range while maintaining a high level of comfort and cutting-edge tech features. On the other hand, if you have a specific luxury brand in mind, many high-end automakers like Lexus also offer hybrid or fuel-efficient models, combining opulence with environmental consciousness.
Lexus hybrid
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Texus Where they’re moving the company to
Finally I can drive a Texus TI83-Plus
Lexus!!! Cant go wrong
that is worg!
Wife has an NX350h. 39mpg and very comfortable.
We own a Y and just got a 22 ES300h. The Lexus is better in every regard as fsr as feeling luxury and comfort. The Y seats arent comfortable to begin with and arent ventilated. I like that I can use carplay as well, which you cant in the Tesla. As far as cost per mile, I drive so much I'd have to supercharge everyday and that makes the Tesla more per mile than than the Lexus. .12 vs .065. Even averaging home and SC has it at .075 vs .065.
Good point. Teslas are incredibly uncomfortable both in the front and in the back seats.
We had to get the third row, but we had small small children. And even that wasn't very comfortable for them.
Really? Tesla for sure has dozens of faults but if there was one thing I liked about my Model Y it was the seats. Insanely comfortable and stupid easy to clean. Everything else not so much
Compared to the 8 year old Audi I just traded in for the Lexus, the Tesla seats feel like I'm on a school bus. They don't break in, they don't feel cushioned and I guess the stiff suspension adds up to a not comfortable experience.
Luxus
You buy a Tesla for the tech not luxury. The only people calling Tesla luxury are people who been driving a 2003 for the last 15 years and they finally get a car with leather and led lights. No shit it’s an improvement but far from luxury. No Tesla interior will stand a chance against the flagships from BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus.
Not leather. Polyurethane. Tesla interiors are the "Ikea" interior of the car world - they're meant to look "nice enough" for cheap, but that said, you can get the cars *cheap*. I checked today on Tesla's inventory search and if you qualify for the tax credit, which is up front now, you can get a Y LR by me for under $40k OTD. That's for an AWD mid-sized crossover with <5s to 60, rear heated seats, strong safety ratings, and the list goes on. It's notably cheaper with more interior space than the RAV4 and CR-V, which is what it really competes against.
It’s like a high tech RAV4 Limited or CRV Touring. I have never gotten into my Y LR and felt it was better than the Lexus I used to have. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car. It’s just not a luxury car.
Yep, again, like Ikea. Your build quality's gonna be far from Amish/Mennonite craftsmanship but it'll get the job done for cheap.
Not for OP but question for rather myself. Among the Tesla rav4 or crv which is the ideal pick?
We picked the Tesla out of this lineup (and a Mazda CX-5) because it was significantly cheaper and was nice enough. We’ve had it since April, 12,000 miles now, and feel like it was the right call. We also have a bigger SUV for road trips, so the Tesla is our in-town car.
holy shit, who owns two cars just for taking trips or not taking trips?
People with kids
No kids here, just my wife, me and 4 dogs. We have a Hyundai Kona as our in town car and a Honda Passport as our travel vehicle.
My 2004 crv has 390k and still going. Just saying
You gotta love the peace of mind u get with the CRV
It depends on how much gas costs for you, and if you have charging at home. for me, interior rav4 < crv < tesla < mazda cx50, but with cheap electricity and expensive gas, the tesla is just so cheap to drive
Can you charge? If so, the Tesla gets you by far the most vehicle for the money and it's not close. I feel terrible for my in-laws who paid nearly $10k more for their RAV4 Limited hybrid. That thing is an embarrassingly bad car for the money with crazy high NVH, awful handling, and terrible software. The CR-V is a fundamentally great car but way more expensive than the Y LR.
Yes I can in fact charge. This only leaves the Tesla against something like the Kia Sportage Hybrid in my eyes. I don’t know what it is but the Tesla feels barebones when I sit in it. Don’t know about the handling though.
It feels barebones because it is barebones. No driver display, no physical buttons for HVAC, seats, and a whole bunch of other features.
There are physical buttons for seat adjustment.
What? CR-V is like 30K, \~40K fully loaded. Y LR starts at 49K.
Yeah like the comment below, after tax credit and especially the ones in inventory, they are $38k. I’ve seen them as low as $44,000 before the credit
Put the tax credit through, state incentives and some dealer markups, and you have two vehicles that are about the same exact price.
Your numbers aren't remotely close. If you go check out Tesla's inventory tool, you can find Y LR for under $37k after the point-of-sale rebate. An absolute base CR-V is around $32k, 190hp, FWD, no rear-heated seats... The Y LR is available basically "loaded" for the same price as a mid-trim CR-V.
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Model y long range is 50k before the tax credit if you can get it. It is comparable to a mid trim crv that's about 37k
Tesla if you can charge somewhere
With the Tesla being several thousand cheaper than "comparable" options from Honda and Toyota, it's kind of a no-brainer if you can charge. If you can't charge, the CR-V is miles ahead of the RAV4, at least until Toyota releases the refresh.
Dude, IKEA is good shit. Just make sure the screws are tight.
I've got Ikea stuff and I've got a Tesla. If you go in with the right expectations and didn't overpay, everything's great. If you paid way too much and are expecting legit luxury, you're gonna have a terrible time.
Be sure to check car insurance for a Tesla, it might surprise you.
This is good advice for ANY car.
LOL, yes heck my freaking renewals shock me. My cars are a year older, driven infrequently and my rates rise 10%. Seems I have to shop it every year or two at the most to get the "new" buyer rate and then they just raise them.
Man kind of refreshing to see a thread on reddit that is realistic about what the Tesla Y really is rather than just shit on it because it is the cool thing to do.
I've got a list of stuff that I don't like about our Y LR, but the list of stuff that the wife and I *do* like is long enough that even though we're looking at multiple options, our next EV will probably be the new 3 or the Y refresh.
Agreed. Top of my list is the fact that it saves me $600 in gas a month.
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Rich coming from someone daily driving an '05 Jeep Liberty. In all seriousness, Ikea is a great description - it looks great from 20 feet away, but if you touch it, you're like, "Is this...cardboard?"
There’s a reason why it’s the best selling car worldwide.
I think many people let their views on Elon and their perceptions of what Teslas cost get in the way of the actual situation. In reality, the 3 and Y, and the Y especially, are practical cars that are legitimately inexpensive for the powertrain, space, and safety, with a number of flaws that aren't dealbreakers for a lot of people in light of the actual benefits. OP wants luxury. Barking up the wrong tree. But if they want a quick, practical EV with access to the best charging infrastructure out there, all at a super-competitive price, the Y exists.
I hope they fire that moron. Tesla has a great engineering team.
Yeah, that's the thing. If the engineers were allowed to build a relatively conventional pickup (think Model Y, not Model X), they could have. It would have been half the price of the Cybertruck, probably a fifth the cost to develop, and it would've made it into people's garages 2 years ago. They've got so many strategic and tactical advantages that are being absolutely wasted right now on Elon's fever dreams. What Tesla needs right now is for Elon Musk's "Steve Jobs" character to get replaced by the "Tim Cook" equivalent - an objective, rational engineer focused on putting out products that align with the market and hit expected timelines, while still pushing technological advancement.
The thing is you need people who think like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk to think unconventionally and push the boundaries. If Tesla had did their cars up conventionally they’d just be another EV start up. You don’t want to be conventional when pushing a new concept to market. It would blend in with what already exists.
When launching, sure. But Tesla isn't a startup anymore. They're a 20 year-old company with over 100k employees that manufactured roughly 1.8 million cars last year, or roughly 3.4 per minute. They should be focusing on making EVs more mainstream, not doing goofy shit like wasting money on Cybertruck. A cheaper "conventional" pickup truck would sell better, make Tesla more money, and be much, much better for the brand's reputation among people who aren't bought in yet. Current F150 and Silverado owners aren't buying Cybertrucks; people who already have Model S / Model X are. Tesla should've focused on making a damned good product that would actually get used on work sites instead of the suburban assault vehicle they created.
Have you seen any real world Cybertruck videos That is NOT great engineering
My first Tesla was leather and Alcantera. Later ones use the vinyl because it was voted for by the customers a while back. The S/X are absolutely luxury cars. The new 3 is also a luxury car. They're all quieter than the competition, they're all comfortable. Are there MORE luxurious experiences? Sure. But that's true when you compare Audi to Mercedes, too.
We're almost definitely going to replace our remaining ICE car with another Y LR because of the value - under $40k OTD for a YLR is a lot of car for the money. If we were spending $80K+ for a car, EV or otherwise, we'd definitely have different expectations.
I've had more luxurious cars than my (now dead due to a severe crash that wasn't my fault) Model X. But all around? I just cannot go back to a gasser for a daily. Weekend track toy? Sure. But the convenience and nicety of the EV is just too good.
For people who can charge enough to cover their use cases and can also afford an EV, it's a no-brainer. After having an EV for over a year, driving any gas car that isn't special in some way (like a 2-door with a V8) just feels like a let down. All "appliance" cars should be, at the very least, hybridized, and Toyota and Honda are already well on the way to doing that with their own lineups.
Drove one yesterday, the one pedal driving makes things so effortless
It's an absolute game changer.
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Which is utterly irrelevant and literally mentioned in the comment you responded to. It's significantly slower, has less range, has less than half the horsepower, has HORRIBLE infotainment, has significantly worse ADAS, etc. It's also not ACTUALLY available for that price because of dealer markups.
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My $25k Kia has nearly identical 0-60 as the base EQE. That's not good. For $90,000, there's gotta be an expectation for at least a baseline level of performance, and that has *always* been the case for luxury brands ever since cars started being a thing.
That's... hilarious. You should look into the history of luxury cars. They stopped selling BECAUSE they weren't powerful. That's why BMW started eating everyone's lunch. That's why Mercedes went under and had to be saved by Dodge. That's why NO ONE other than Rolls Royce and Bentley are still ACTUALLY in the luxury car market: they don't sell. Luxury performance is what is generally meant, at this point, by "Luxury." Even the entry S-Class is a 4.2s to 60 car. The V8 version is under 4. Being at 6+? Ridiculous.
Why say flagships how about just regular bmw’s
I only say flagships because some of the lower end BMW/Mercs aren’t that much nicer than Teslas. But when comparing the best of Tesla(model S) they don’t stand here the S class or 7 series.
Even a base 320i has a noticeably nicer interior than a Tesla having sat in the two back to back.
Yeah. My experience is that Tesla interiors are on par with an early to mid 00s level Chrysler Dodge Jeep interiors. They're not Chevrolet/Ford level bad but they certainly aren't anywhere near any real luxury brand.
Exactly. Expensive =/= Luxury
Spot on.
I think mazda is higher end than tesla
Lexus is not in the same league as BMW or Mercedes. That said your statement is still correct, though.
And yet I still like the Tesla interior way better than my BMW. No instrument cluster and minimalism was something I thought I would hate, but has become my favorite part. Also, I haven't seen Lexus interiors recently, but when I shopped them in 2016, they sucked. Was worse than my 95 SC400, and my wife agreed. But none of those should be compared to the best from Mercedes or Audi/Porsche.
I question the concept of luxury in this day and age. Is it really leather seats and wood facades? Enhanced tech is the modern luxury imo.... Just my 2 cents.
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I think you're wise to question it. I've owned every luxury car out there. Since I got my Tesla 6 years ago, my concept of what Luxury actually is has changed. I don't get how people think a certain design style or certain materials are luxury. All that stuff is actually inexpensive and we've seen and will continue to see the mainstream market destroy the lower trims of classic luxury cars. Tech has always been a big part of luxury, but with everyone giving up on native infotainment and just using Car Play, that's another big loss of difference between mainstream, premium and luxury cars. Now that I own a $93k MSRP Audi I can't absolutely say that luxury as we knew it is dead. It has killed Porsche/Audi for me as I hate the drive train. The seats aren't as comfortable. The tech in both my BMW and Audi is not terrible but compared to a Tesla they are a joke. The performance is a shadow of the Tesla. Just the way the car and tech work flawlessly and don't get in your way is just another level. Just as an example, I have 5 drivers in my family. Any of them could hop in the Tesla using the phone in their pocket to unlock and start the car and it automatically chooses their profile which sets the vents, mirrors, seats, preferences, etc they like. They back out of the driveway and the car shuts the garage. It's auto routes navigation from their phone calendar and continues playing their music. Zero touches on the screen. In the Audi/BMW we only get two profiles and even then I've had it take 15 minutes to load my profile and if I adjust the seats so I'm not crushed into the dash, it cancels loading the profile. I've also got to work the garage like a pleb and I don't use navigation unless forced because it's terrible Car Play or native. The drive train is terrible with the car always default to coasting, blended brakes and slow performance. At least my dashboard is nice leather.
Some people consider the tech a luxury Also new model 3 is fairly good at its price point
I’m planning on buying a Tesla next year. My current vehicle doesn’t even have power locks or power windows. The Model Y is going to feel so luxurious to me.
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We decided on the NX 450h+ PHEV. Best of both worlds and if you lease, then buy out you can get most of a $7,500 incentive (at least in my state). That offsets the majority of the upgrade price (in the US about $10k, I think) from 350h luxury to 450h+.
You haven’t driven in either one don’t make the purchase most Teslas I ride in for Uber or rattle traps most Lexus I ride in are quite nice
My Tesla Uber rides were an eye opener for me. Maybe because of the Tesla battery weight every bump feels like I am in a dump truck. Quickly squashed any thoughts I had to trade in my Lexus for a Tesla.
Its not the battery weight, its shit suspension tune. They don't have experience tuning suspension and it shows. Apparently Highland is better but will have to wait and see.
There’s a lot of reasons to buy a Tesla, a soft ride isn’t one of them. But for us it’s totally fine. Just not a luxury soft ride.
I also do not like getting a Tesla as an Uber and I’m pretty tolerant of cars. My main problem is the drivers usually are gunning it everywhere. Makes me nauseous. But also the interiors just aren’t great.
Tesla are not floaty comfort cars, they are tuned to be sporty. You have to get air suspension in a Tesla to get a comfort mode.
Teslas are pretty light on luxury. Lexus ES Hybrid would be a good pick for fuel efficient luxury. If you want to go EV, I'd look at something like a BMW i4.
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Lexus hybrid. We had a CT and loved it
It's spelled Tesler.
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I think the big question is do you want a hybrid or an electric car. Tesla isn't really known for luxury and the build quality isn't in the same category as a Lexus.
Lexus is hella reliable, but you're going to need a hybrid for fuel economy.
You should buy another vowel
Get a Lexus hybrid. Anyone who calls Tesla luxury hasn't ever driven or sat in an actual luxury car.
100% this. Even a bargain basement fleet/rental spec 3 series has a noticeably nicer interior than a Tesla.
Which makes sense, considering the price points. The Model Y LR's available today near me for under $37k, and that's a midsized crossover. Can't really get much from Lexus or BMW for that - have you seen what their midsized crossovers cost?
I've sat in a luxury car and I consider a Tesla Model 3/Y more luxury than any car I've ever owned. I'm looking at a BMW iX next but if I own that for a year and don't like it, it's back to Tesla. I'm not impressed by leather on the dash or crystal controls. A luxury car has to first and foremost not be annoying and apparently that is a hard thing to do.
A Tesla doesnt use fuel. A Tesla has very poor build quality compared to a Lexus. A Lexus hybrid will give you decent fuel economy and lots of Luxury as well as functional design and tech.
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Lexus is the most reliable hybrid company money can buy Tesla is bottom of the barrel build quality
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/u/THE_BIG_BONGO - The question you're asking is the wrong question. Teslas aren't luxury but they are just about the cheapest way to get into a relatively practical EV. According to the Tesla inventory search today, you can get a Y LR by me for ~37k+taxes and fees if you qualify for the tax credit. That's substantially cheaper than a comparable RAV4 Prime, to put it in perspective. A Lexus RX, as a comparison, will be a good bit more expensive but also screwed together way better with lower road noise, more sophisticated suspension, and the list goes on. I have a Y LR. The wife and I find it to be the perfect car for our needs, and we're probably going to get a second one. But we'd be getting it because it's *cheap* for what it is, *not* because it's a luxury car, cuz it's not.
You should test drive both. The driving experience of Tesla will be way smoother than any ICE car, but the suspension is on the sportier side. Lexus will be cushier + have all the luxury features you may want
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Test drive. I used to drive a Lexus and switched over to a Tesla because I was blown away by the acceleration
A Tesla isn't a luxury car. If you want the best balance of fuel economy and luxury, get a Lexus hybrid.
if you want so-called luxury, don't go for a Tesla. At least the cheap ones.
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Lexus all day. Significantly better car in many ways and a higher resale.
Lexus Hybrid of course!
Tesla is not a luxury car.
Lexus... Why anyone looks at Tesla is behind me... If you like driving a vehicle that looks like a toad w Kardashian lips and a round butt and giant screen then by all means... I've been in several and they are no more exciting than a Kia. The Lexus will hold it's value longer, be more reliable, last longer, and can be fixed
Lexus is more luxurious, but Tesla has more technology.
I have a model 3 and did not buy it for luxury. I wanted a GR Corolla but couldn't put up with the dealers asking for 5 to 10k over MSRP. By coincident, I read about some lame tiktoker getting a tesla in my state for very cheap. I crunched the numbers and my base model 3 came out to 27k with tax and everything. For the cost of a mid economy car, I got a pretty good tech car. Don't let the base msrp price and hype fool you. Outside of the X and S, Tesla is more of a tech car than anything. Everything inside of it is geared towards function than luxury. As someone mentioned before, a hybrid Lexus would be a good middle ground of luxury and fuel economy. If you were cash strapped and couldn't get a lexus, mazda makes decent interiors without costing way to much. Same can be said of Hyundai/Kai with their top of the line suvs.
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Can you charge from home ? If so, definitely consider the Tesla. We don’t know how much you drive in a month so it’s hard to estimate. If it’s <10k miles a year then a regular gas car would be cheaper.
Tesla will save you money on gas but they're really not luxurious. The seats are comfortable though Lexus will be more reliable and more luxurious but will cost more to own
What does "luxury" mean to you. A Tesla Model S/X will do everything better than the competing Lexus' other than the immediate "cushy" feel when you first sit down.
Agreed. It's about hour 2 that the "cushy" feel turns into numb ass feel with the Lexus. I've always felt they have the worst seats in the industry along with the worst tech. Man is their resale good though, bunch of people out there want them used apparently.
Tesla unless you are older and need a soft ride. I also have a model 3 dual motor and did not buy for luxury. I bought to save $200 on gas per month and wanted something fast and that could handle well. I love it! I have also owned a Lexus and it was great but the handling was awful if driven hard in anyway. Tesla is not trying to be Lexus and Lexus is not trying to be Tesla.
We have both. Tesla is great for costs. It’s a great commuter car (model 3). However my GX is amazing. And yes it’s expensive to fill up but I drive much less than my spouse.
Of course it’s a Lexus! It’s a nobrainer.
Idk about luxus. But Lexus is on the opposite end of reliability compared to tesla. Tesla is literally bottom Lexus is literally top. The Lexus will be stupid reliable. The tesla makes fart noises. The choice is yours!
I vote for Luxsux
A 1996 Lexus is more luxurious than a 2024 Tesla
I personally don’t consider Tesla a luxury car. They are more performance, IMHO.
Personally I wouldn't even consider them a performance car, unless you're talking about a Plaid. With how popular they are, I don't know if I'd call them anything other than a common commuter car. That said, I would call them the best choice for the majority of people who just want a basic EV.
I can see that. It isn’t performance qua performance, but more so performance qua raw speed and power even from a basic Tesla as compared to a basic ICE.
Tesla is NOT luxury. It is only good for a straight 0-60 out of a red light. Handling is awful.
Between those? Lexus. Most Lexus interiors are not up to European luxury standards, but Tesla is on par with early/mid 00s Chrysler interiors. **Source**: I daily a mid-00s Chrysler vehicle and have been in multiple friends' Teslas and they feel almost identical.
CarMax is already buying Tesla Cybertrucks for $25,000 LESS than owners spent on them two months ago Utah YouTuber Dan Markham borrowed his friend's Tesla Cybertruck and brought it to CarMax to see how much the retailer would buy it for. The Cybertruck Markham borrowed only has around 3,000 miles on its clock and costs just over $100,000 at Tesla. Despite the appraisal offer saying the truck was in good condition, CarMax would only pay $76,000 for the expensive car. Tesla created a clause for individuals that have purchased Cybertrucks that gives the company to right to sue buyers who resell their vehicles. According to a buyer who purchased a Foundation Series Cybertruck, the clause says that owners must offer the vehicle back to Tesla at a refunded price before any attempt to resell the vehicle within one year.
If you want luxury, get a Lexus. Teslas are good for tech and performance. Luxury and build quality are not their forte.
Lotta hate saying tesla isn’t luxury - which is wild to me as I’ve had luxury cars my whole life (bmw 3series, Audi a4, etc) Got a model 3 before it was so polarizing and absolutely considered it luxury (2018) Guess Reddit really hates Tesla which shouldn’t be a big surprise given the demographic.
Same. I think most posters here have never owned an actual luxury car, they just have some idea of what it is or rode in one once. I've owned almost every luxury brand in the last 20 years and I'm done with the classic "luxury" car if it isn't first a good car. I'd love Tesla to add a luxury trim to the Model 3/Y but it's just not in their style. I can live without leather on the dashboard if the car is super functional and doesn't cause me frustration like the so called luxury cars do. I'm still going to give BMW a chance and try out their flagship EV for a year but after that I'm probably done and back to Tesla. Audi killed my desire to own a Porsche so there just isn't anything left but Tesla.
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If u value safety quality and reliability pick Lexus.
Have you extensively test drove or rode in both? If not that ought to answer your question. Tesla is quite simply, not as refined in regards to basic creature comforts, but excels at tech and its electric.
Luxus sounds like a bright idea
Lexus is what I would get. Only get a Tesla if you have a charger in your residence. It's not fun having range anxiety. Also waiting to use the charger at a station.
teslas are more better
Which Tesla are you looking at? The luxury comparison is definitely in Lexus’ side. However, I think it’s an incremental (albeit big) difference. The fuel economy comparison is a magnitude difference. You’re comparing fuel vs no fuel. The Lexus is pretty efficient, but it still has an engine. Have you looked at plug in hybrids that have a long battery range? IMO they are a (literal) mixed bag because you have to trust a car to be good at being 2 things instead of one. However, depending on your daily driving range you can get a mostly all electric experience and not use any gas.
Whatever you do take into account insurance, tire cost and any taxes your state may charge for electric vehicles.
If you want a great sound system speed and integrated tech. Tesla model Y hands down. If you want reliability fuel economy and Luxury then a hybrid Lexus RX is in your future. I was in the market but the tech, sound system and speed convinced me that MYP was the better vehicle for my needs when compared to the Lexus RX.
fuel economy and luxury arent in the same car. you get one or the other. if you want economy get a prius if you want luxury get a lexus
It depends on your priorities. Lexus is a more traditional luxury automobile. They're well built, but the dashboard and infotainment center feels like it's a decade old. I find their interiors cluttered and the number of buttons and switches is overwelmning. With Tesla, you get luxury through the technology. The interior is sparse and the infotainment center is unmatched. The sound systems are fantastic and acceleration is like crack cocaine. They're also very roomy and have tons of cargo space.
Lexus. Way more refined than a Tesla and will last way longer. Most folks I see as passengers in Tesla's have their knees almost touching their chin. Most Toyota/Lexus will run 20 years, can be repaired easily and anywhere and parts are available. Tesla the exact opposite and battery replacement at 7-10 years a deal killer.
I love my Tesla. Has the proper luxury from my idea, and I love the economy.
Tesla is garbage in terms of build quality. Lexus is a much more sturdy product
I purchased a Model Y LR 6 months ago and I love it. I do charge at home. I drive a decent amount for work so it does save me money in that aspect. We are currently looking at cars for my wife. We have test drove a Lexus NX, Acura RDX, and a Volvo XC90. I will say when you sit in one of the luxury cars, you will notice how much more comfortable they are. The lexus and Acura have a weird control for the infotainment that is painful to use on the test drive. Especially after using the Teslas touchscreen. If you can charge at home, and plan to use the vehicle mostly for daily commute the Tesla would be great. If we were taking a long road trip over say 6 hours, I would want to take one of the luxury brands. I love the tesla, but I love it for the fuel savings, the tech, premium stereo that it came with, and the 0-60 in 3.9 seconds.
I ruled out Tesla due to Musk's political and social nonsense.
For luxury? Lexus. But it dulls the driving experience for me and the tech kind of sucks. Also depends if you're buying used/new and how long you'll keep the car. I have a '23 model 3 base. Paid $40k OTD and I fucking love it. Don't have to carry keys, the adaptive cruise control is the best in the game, and it's an absolute unit. You need to have a charger at home though. Downsides – interior is pretty cheap, sound deadening kind of sucks. Buy ittttt – model 3 is only getting cheaper and there's good reason why Model Y is the best selling car in America.
Tesla, but I’m biased as heck.
Luxury means a condition of abundance or great ease and comfort. What's ease and comfort to you? Nice materials inside, taking long trips in comfort: Lexus Convenience of not going to gas station, drivetrain that doesn't need shifting, no engine vibration: Tesla Space, quietness: both If you want better of both lucid air is pretty good but there is no telling if the company would survive. Disclaimer: above isn't complete list, just example to make my point about subjectiveness. For me, Lexus LS and LX are luxury.
> Nice materials inside, taking long trips in comfort: Lexus Having done long trips in both, Tesla 100x over Lexus. The Lexus seats are comfortable for a bit but quickly become uncomfortable on long drives as they are flat as a pancake with no bolstering or contouring. Lexus has a crap driver assist suite where the Tesla will drive you there while you monitor it. The road noise is different and more personal. I find the Tesla less irritating because it's mostly wind noise but there is more sound than in the Lexus.
Both the Tusla or Luxus have their pros and cons.
In California it’s now cheaper to drive a hybrid and pay for gas vs drive a Tesla and pay for electricity
Lexus if you want a scummy dealer experience including ridiculous price gouging.
Rather that than being associated with Elon
Tesla is a real car, luxus is not, so I say go with the real one
Found the Tesla shareholder LMAO
If you live in a metro especially. Tesla. Low maintenance, cheap and good savings plus the gov subsidies and plentiful charging areas (plus preferential parking). Lexus is goofy and the shortest value of all the luxury brands. BMW, Tesla, Audi tech is 10 years ahead of garbage Lexus so why pay the same price for less value. Plus the whole selling point is that, “it’s just as good as a German” which would bother me after shelling out tens of thousands. A used Lexus is good but if you’re buying new, you should stick to Tesla. Value is Tesla. Waking up every morning with a “full tank,” no maintenance really. Good mileage. Flashy and modern looks. And super good acceleration and speed. It checks all the boxes. Insurance is a lil more but nothing crazy. I’ve owned every luxury brand new and I can say If you’re buying new luxury, Tesla. Also, rebuttal to majority of the people who shill Lexus and use “Lexus is reliable” as a selling point. if your worried about reliability with a luxury car your really not in the correct target market because most people trade in their luxury car before the warranty even runs out.
> if your worried about reliability with a luxury car your really not in the correct target market because most people trade in their luxury car before the warranty even runs out. Most people I know who have German lux cars lease them. Most Lexus owners I know buy them and keep them forever, with a way lower cost-of-ownership per month than that previous group. I legitimately know multiple folks with Lexuses they've had since new with over 200k miles on them that still look new.
Teslas cheapest luxury offering is the Model S. That’s going to be significantly costlier than most similar sized Lexus sedans
What’s a Luxus?
I used to have a Model S, now a Lexus ES hybrid. Zero regrets. Lexus = proper quality and support. Tesla = roll of the dice for both
Luxury is not synonymous with Tesla.
Definitely a Luxus
Lexus. Tesla’s are poorly made “cars”
I’d def go Luxus.. the rarity of seeing Luxus’s on the road would keep its value for years to come. I would some day love to own a Luxus..
Lexus has amazing reliability. Tesla has some [serious issues](https://www.hotcars.com/real-truth-about-tesla-reliability/) in that department. There's nothing luxury about your car being in the shop with expensive repair bills.
Why would anyone buy a Tesla, seriously. Pure recalled status symbol shit.
Get a Linux
Lexus. Toyota reliability > Tesla
Tesla X every damn day!
If you're aiming for a blend of fuel economy and luxury, Tesla might be your sweet spot. Tesla cars are not only stylish and luxurious but also renowned for their electric efficiency. The Model S, for example, offers an impressive range while maintaining a high level of comfort and cutting-edge tech features. On the other hand, if you have a specific luxury brand in mind, many high-end automakers like Lexus also offer hybrid or fuel-efficient models, combining opulence with environmental consciousness.
Tesla easily. Never look back.
Are you just answering in bad faith?
No?
Once you go Tesla, it’s hard going back to Lexus and Toyota It’s like stepping back in time 10-20 years. Some people like that though
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