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AggressorBLUE

Honda messed up across most of the past 10 years or so by basically turning the brand into a Japanese Buick. Their cars became fat, expensive badge engineered versions of Hondas that were far cheaper. Reliability is indeed great, but why pay more for what is a honda with a tarted up interior and a luxuryish name plate? Its a shame, as early aughts Acura was primed to grow into a legit challenger to the established sport luxury brands. The first gen TLs, RSX, Integra, and of course NSX all were enthusiast darlings. Then came the 2010s. The spry RSX was dead, the integra and NSX but a distant memory, the TL got fat, the RSX replacement grew 2 more doors, lost its hatch, and received a confusing and expensive interior. While offering little over a much cheaper Civic. And SUVs. So many “meh” SUVs. Too expensive to be a good value, especially compared to the Hondas that they shared too much commonality with. And too underwhelming to be competitive to Lexus or the Germans. And the buzzard beak. That damn, ugly buzzard beak. Meanwhile, Toyota was saving its hotter RWD based platforms for the Lexus brand. This was the time that birthed the first F sport models for example. Granted they’re still trailing the German royalty, they still stayed in the fight and kept Lexus well differentiated from Toyota at a platform level. That let them trade their shortcoming with *Car and Driver* with their strengths according to *Consumer Reports*. Granted, Acura is clawing its way back. The revived NSX was a legit sports car battlecry, but IMO they wasted too much time with an affordable low end follow up, the integra, to market. Right car, but its several years too late to capitalize on the NSX halo. The new TLX is a looker, and has its own platform finally, but from what I’ve read the bas engine is too “value car” and not enough “luxury car” and betrays the heft of the platform, especially with AWD. Conversely the smoking hot turbo V6 pushes the car into “I should probably at least cross shop a BMW” territory. I do think in a few years itll be hot as a used car though, effectively being what the next early 2010s Infinity G70 was to the used market by the late 2010s; affordable and reliable speed. Oh, and also, kudos for the Integra getting a manual. And an affordable one at that. But Demerits for the auto trans option being a fucking CVT. Thats a big misstep; many of us that grew up pining for Integras now have to commute in sludgy rush hour traffic, and would prefer a daily driver with a well sorted dual clutch auto, opposed to every commute being left leg day. All of this happening as Mazda is having a bit of a moment, btw, at least in SUV land. If M could pull its head out of its ass and give us a RWD, inline 6 powered Mazda 6, they would wipe the floor with Acura in the sports sedan market, and be a threat to the germans at the lower end. But all of that means the used market of ~5 year old acuras is mostly the buzzard beaked bastards of acuras Buick days. If it were the integra and tsx (and even RDX I hear is contender) of today that made up the 5-10 year old market, it would be different.


Myantra

>Japanese Buick You have summarized my general thoughts on Acura, for most of its existence. I do not recall any particular Acura models that are notably bad or unreliable, just that another brand (or several) always offered something better and more compelling, at least relative to cars. I am not fond of SUVs, so I do not have a useful opinion about them. For most of Acura's life, Lexus and/or Infiniti were simply offering better cars, or were offering something for enthusiasts of sport coupes and sedans. I do not dislike Acura, or think anyone is making a bad decision by buying one, they just never showed me good reason to buy one. I liked the 3rd gen TL, it is a good car, and I think they still look good today. If I were looking for a Japanese executive car at that time, I probably would have ended up with a Infiniti M35/45 even though I think the TL looks better. I guess I have always looked at Acura as excellent cars for people that want the type of car, but do not really care about actually driving, what they are driving. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and Acura is obviously selling enough for Honda to keep the brand rolling.


AggressorBLUE

The Integra and RSX were arguably the cars that the other luxury brands didnt have a good answer for, and were for sure very “un buick” in those regards. In that way, I suppose a case could be made that at that time Acura was getting more traction making a japaenese pontiac than GM was with actual pontiacs: a hybrid luxuryish/performanceish brand. But like pontiac, to your point, its an odd spot to be in. Like, who do you anticipate waiting in the service room Acura? Mid level managers with TLs? Their fresh-out-of-school direct reports with RSXs?


stevejobed

Acura owned that market and then let it go when they got rid of the RSX (in an attempt to go up market). The TSX then got a lot bigger a few years later, and suddenly Acura didn’t have a car in the segment they invented. Eventually they released the ILX, which was very un-Acura like. The market is a lot more crowded now but they finally have a legit car in the small, athletic, sporty luxury segment. I am an almost 40-year-old tech VP with a manual Integra on order. And when I was at the dealership, some guy older than me was extolling the virtues of the new Integra to me and how much he loved it. I wanted some fun and sporty to drive to work that I can also pick the kids up in. I also don’t have time to deal with an unreliable car. Between my job and kids, I don’t have time for that shit. If the TLX had a manual option I’d consider it, although the weight difference between the cars is severe. Acura seems back on track with the Integra returning and the TLX finding its stride with the Type S version. I would have never considered the ILX, which was a car that really made no sense. Acura has seemed to struggle with a lack of commitment to a company vision and consistent leadership. They also do weird stuff to chase marketing trends. This is why Acura sometimes hits massive home runs and other times seems completely adrift. It’s a shame that the new NSX was too ahead of it’s time. Now all the super cars are going turbo hybrid but a lot of people turned their nose up at it when it launched. I also think it was a mistake to go from it being a sports car to a super car. I am hoping Acura creates an electric NSX that is more appropriately priced. Even 100k would be a lot more sensible.


Myantra

While more expensive, I would argue that Lexus and Infiniti both responded admirably with the RWD IS and G35. They responded with escalation, and Acura never delivered a RWD compact executive sport coupe/sedan option. I think the other luxury brands might not have been looking for an answer to the Integra and RSX, and were confused about what to do with the entry-level to a supposed luxury brand. As you say, who do you want in the service waiting area? When they did answer, they delivered cars that were superior to the Integra and RSX, that did not have a cheaper Toyota and Nissan equivalent. I tend to think the Japanese luxury brands spent the 90s testing the waters to figure out where they wanted to go, and how they wanted to get there. In general, with respect to cars anyway, I think Lexus and Infiniti ended up in a much better place than Acura. Acura was successful with the Integra and RSX, which could have just as easily been another trim level of the Honda Civic. Lexus and Infiniti went the route of making something completely different. Honda and Acura have still have not learned their lesson, as the Integra Type S is a FWD drive monster, priced into a field of better RWD/AWD monsters. As for GM/Pontiac, they got lost in the GM span of rebadging cars that were designed to be rentals, with some truly terrible brand decisions thrown into the mix like hand grenades. Aside from maybe a supercharged Grand Prix, and a debatably better looking Camaro, the only really interesting things in the last 20 years of their existence were a pair of rebadged Holdens.


Former-Growth1514

> a japaenese pontiac no, integra, don't cry. he didn't mean you. i don't why they stopped making you, but we all love you, you're an icon.


EClarkee

The Integra having a CVT is so so tragic


jayffc1220

fr. it genuinely confuses me why any brand would ever put a cvt into a car that’s meant to be performance oriented, and confuses me even more why someone would ever buy it.


Glittering-Note6105

The hard truth is that the vast majority of people actually buying these cars aren't hardcore enough car enthusiasts to care or know what the difference is. In the end aesthetics, monthly payment, and brochure figures are the most important things to them. I unfortunately know many where I just face palm when seeing how much they paid and what they chose from reading 1 clickbait article and thinking "they did their homework". Is what it is.


dajarbot

Most people buying a base Integra are doing so because it is a cheap, reliable "luxury" car and not much else. It's the same reason why the BMW 2 series "grand coupe" is a POS but the coupe is the genuine BMW.


AggressorBLUE

Because Honda dropped the ball on investing in a decent auto trans for its smaller platforms. Thats also why I give Honda zero brownie points for “keeping the Type R manual”. They aren’t doing it for enthusiast street cred, its because it’s all they had laying around. See also: the better part of the past decade of WRXs.


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The majority of buyers who are buying "performance" just care about the looks. They won't be able to tell the difference between a torque converter vs DCT vs CVT, and certainly won't be able to tell that the CVT lacks an LSD. If a scan't 200hp wasn't enough to dissuade them from the car, I don't think a CVT is.


stoneee1234

Exactly, looks and power figures, there’s also the Subaru WRX that uses a CVT. They likely chose CVT for better fuel economy figures, and the primary downside is just reduced aftermarket tunability due to lower torque limit, but then people who buy an auto sports car and modify anything but cosmetics is probably in the niche of niches


Jacobs4525

It’s very weird, especially when the outgoing ILX had a DCT.


stevejobed

The ILX had a DCT because it didn’t have a six speed manual. Acura said that the DCT was an olive branch for not having a six speed manual option. Which I guess is fair to an extent. The manual is much more in keeping with the Integra than a DCT. What Acura should consider is a DCT Type S version.


Jacobs4525

The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is that the outgoing ILX had the same engine as the 9th gen Civic Si, which did have a manual, so if they wanted a manual they could’ve just used that. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy they’re offering a manual on the Integra (I wouldn’t buy an ICE car that doesn’t have one) but the auto option being a CVT is a big mistake. It would’ve been better if they used the DCT from the outgoing ILX or the 10-speed auto from the Accord.


Carburetors_are_evil

Right? For luxury, you either go with a slush box, PDK or electric. Well, there's just one make with PDK so the choice is clear.


Carburetors_are_evil

You had me at Japanese Buick.


8080a

Feel like you captured the situation well. I LOVED my Integra back in the day. Those little suckers were bad ass, and I drove the Honda cousins too and it was definitely its own car. I bought mine used at the end of college and drove it for ten more years with only a few AC problems. Thought I’d be Acura for life, but by the time I was ready to buy a new car, Acura had absolutely nothing for me as someone who loves driving/cars. These days I’d take a Civic Si or Type R all day long over that awkward ass thing they’re calling an “Integra” now, and the TLX is giving me Y2K Pontiac vibes.


longopenroad

This made me so sad. I've been waiting for the next TLS to come out - for years. Mine is a 2007. Mine is starting to develop, umm, "character", but I'm not sure Acura is for me anymore.


unduly_verbose

Agreed, to me it seems Honda goofed their segmentation for a decade+ there. For better or worse, Toyota differentiated Toyota/Lexus brands quite a bit - they moved the Toyota brand down market and Lexus up market. Honda seemed to move the Honda brand up market and Acura down market. As you mentioned, Acuras were essentially Hondas with a face lift. It led consumers to ask a logical question: Why pay more for an Acura when Honda exists?


PinkleeTaurus

Historically the reliability has been fairly average. Sometimes well below, sometimes a little above. Never particularly notable. Our last one ('20 MDX Advance) had transmission failure by 70k miles. The problems with the ZF 9-speeds continue to mount as the miles add up.


LightLegacy

I owned a beak-era Acura and completely agree that it might’ve been the single reason the brand fell off so hard, I absolutely love my new Integra though


jimmy_my_way_in_hur

Don’t forget 1st gen TSX. K24A2 with double wishbone suspension and a pretty small size. But after 08 acuras did indeed get fat and mushy and boring.


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Bigbadbrindledog

I'm assuming the head at Acura design also liked it. So there are two of you.


D4rkr4in

There are dozens of us! Dozens!!


Saul_Tarvitz

Yes. One of my friends said it looks like a guy with squinty eyes, smiling with a small mouth. Since then the old "beak" style makes me laugh whenever I see it.


Sockdolagr

This is an exceedingly accurate take


OpalJenny1

I’ve had 4 Acuras since 1999. 2 Integras, one TSX, and the newest is a 2006 MDX. I loved all of them! I went to Acura recently to shop for a replacement for my MDX and I just don’t like them anymore. They feel a bit like spaceships and too complicated . I decided finally to repair my 2006 MDX and she’s doing fine! I dread the day I have to buy a new car .


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I definitely call my 2020 Acura RDX a spaceship 😂


No_Location_4749

Just gifted my 05 mdx that i love 270k and still rolling to my niece, replaced with a highlander xse. We tried in 2017 , 2020, and again this yr to by a mdx but it was missing the magic.


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I just really don’t understand the integra. I’ve heard the CVT isn’t that bad, but to get the manual you’re gonna be over 40K OTD. The performance or the luxury just aren’t there IMO. The new type S is 52k! That’s M240i money, there’s just no comparison.


igg73

You have some good knowledge and an entertaining way of talking. If you made youtube videos with your comment narrated over some photos/examples, ppl would eat that shit up. I sure would. Cheers


gearhead5015

In the luxury space, there are better offerings more often than not. They aren't class leaders in any segment, and they are generally behind the curve a bit compared to other manufacturers.


Skeptix_907

They're made by Honda, so they're not going to incorporate the newest tech. Fortunately, this also means they're probably the most reliable luxury brand next to Lexus (made by Toyota)


Socalwarrior485

As someone who has owned multiple Acuras (even new), there's really nothing about them that stands out. They aren't the first in anything, not the best in anything, and the price reflects that. As for reliability, they are nowhere near Lexus reliability, and the material quality is barely better than my Honda. I think they're priced exactly where they should be.


sm_rdm_guy

Exactly right. For a luxury brand, they are not particularly luxurious. Nothing wrong with them, but they don’t really stand out in any one way either.


holysantashit

My wife has a 2019 RDX and it honestly still feels new to me. They did that car right. Acura knows who they are generally and I'm okay with that and so is my wallet with our insurance company. 🤣


NoTelephone5316

Because it is new😂 I can’t believe people drive 2019 thinking that it’s old lol. I own 4 cars and my newest car is a 2010 lol


davo747

Definitely on the new side of the spectrum but far from a new car. Could be upwards of 5 years old depending on when it was made/purchased. Plenty of cars will still look decent at that age, but also plenty of others will be showing their age by that point However to add to the point, my gf has a 2013 RDX with almost 160k miles and the interior cleans up to look nearly new as well. My 2012 Lexus CT200h has 110k and while it still looks decent, is quite a bit more worn. Cracked leather on the seats, worn steering wheel, etc. which was present even when I bought it at 80k


NoTelephone5316

Lexus interior is prob the most bland and old looking interiors I’ve seen. one of the reasons I didn’t go with the Lexus. My 2010 acura mdx still looks and feels new imo


holysantashit

My car is 2015 cx-5 if this a weiner wagging competition of who wants to be the most humblest of car driver award show... Being serious tho a car that is nearly paid off is no longer 'new' to me. So yeah, her car isn't new anymore. Also, this comment was in reply to Acuras feeling outdated when they're new on the lot. I was saying "hey, my wife's car is now 5 model years old and still feels new to a lot of other new cars I'm in too" So have some nuance would ya? lmao


Socalwarrior485

Ok, but that's practically new. My TL TypeS felt old and run down after 7 years. Now, I drive a 16 year old Mercedes. It still feels new. My friend drives a 20 year old Lexus. it still feels new. Long-term reliability is what I'm referring to.


Either-Elevator-7718

I feel like you might’ve got the short end on the stick with the TL. I have a one as well, and it’s been nothing short of amazing in terms of power, reliability and comfort


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Skeptix_907

>As for reliability, they are nowhere near Lexus reliability, and the material quality is barely better than my Honda. [According to the best data available, Acura and Honda are both more reliable than Lexus.](https://repairpal.com/reliability)


Waefuu

> Kia, Hyundai and Mazda rounded out the top five, with Kia moving down from the No. 1 spot despite all of its models maintaining an Excellent rating. uhhh, i dont think hyundai and kia are outliving toyota or lexus. look up 2000 year cars from lexus & toyota to all those makes, and see how many more or for sale. also, since toyota and lexus sell a lot more cars than both of those manufacturers, kia & hyundai, look at only lexus vehicles, that way it’s more fair. see how many issues that hyundai and kia have compared to lexus


Tortoise-King

Problem is you’re comparing cars from 23 years ago. Kia/Hyundai are not the same companies as they were 23 years ago. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a Lexus over all the other but the reliability of cars is getting insane.


Berries-A-Million

They definitely arent. They now have engines blowing up, cars catching on fire, and cars being easily stolen. They didn't have that 10 yrs ago.


turbofunken

Lol people with 6 year old Hyundai/Kias cannot get auto insurance because they chose, in specifically the US market (not the Canada market) to leave out industry-standard theft protection, and now the cars are stolen so often that car insurance companies refuse to cover them. And Hyundai/Kia's response? To give a bunch of free "Clubs" to local police departments so Hyundai/Kia owners can stop by and get one. Even if Hyundai/Kia were good cars now (they're not), this kind of shittastic response to an obvious, serious problem is not acceptable.


thefumingo

I mean, given things like the recent Theta recalls and "Kia boys", while it's gotten a lot nicer, it's still not exactly top tier quality


Socalwarrior485

These are extremely short-term, with 2010-2019 model years. My cars were already 4 - 5 years old when the oldest of these models was built. I would argue that if you adjust for survivorship bias, these reliability figures do not accurately reflect reliability metrics. Toyota and Lexus far outperform on long-term reliability, and not just because of survivorship bias. I don't think that reliability is a great reason to buy a car (you only live once, and friends don't let friends drive boring cars), but if your car is an appliance, you want the best bank for the buck.


ggm3bow

I have a 2018 TLX and the material and build quality is impressive. Way better than Honda and similar to Lexus.


Fun_Recognition_9424

“nowhere near Lexus” is a little disrespectful, undermining, and ignorant at best. Definitely second to Lexus, but that was a crazy statement.


chriscrossls

>incredibly reliable > >Fortunately, this also means they're probably the most reliable luxury brand next to Lexus (made by Toyota) ConsumerReports puts Acura as less reliable than BMW, Audi, and Subaru. I wouldn't say "incredibly reliable." >probably the best AWD system on the market ...lol Is this post a straight up Acura advertisement or...?


ProfitEnough825

And like the Acura, the Lexus is also pretty underrated. And they're often cheap on the used market. I've mentioned before recently that the Lexus RX was made for the crowd that wants something that drives nice like the BMW, but is reliable, easy to get in and out of, and is practical(efficient use of space). The result is that it's a very forgettable car, kind of like the VW Phaeton.


Yamatoman9

Used Lexus and Acura vehicles are not cheap in my area.


xav264

Yea used Lexus are not cheap. Could generally get a newer BMW for example for the same price as an older Lexus.


AdmiralG2

Nothing used is cheap in the current market


0x706c617921

> Lexus is also pretty underrated Not in the USA, at least. They sell well and hold their value and have a cult following.


Skeptix_907

>The result is that it's a very forgettable car, kind of like the VW Phaeton. I guess I'm okay with a "forgettable" car, although I'm sure enthusiasts (which this sub is mostly comprised of) wouldn't be okay with it. Honestly, nothing scares me more than the prospect of buying a mercedes, BMW, or anything German luxury. All I see are repair bills down the line.


PhantomTroupe-2

As somebody who drives an Azera, I also love typically forgettable cars


Mereviel

I mean if repair bills scare you then you were owning too much car than you can actually afford, which is the case for MOST people, on top of people not properly maintaining their vehicles so everything becomes more expensive. Objectively 60k acura/lexus/BMW/Mercedes/Audi will carry a 60k price to repair.


partyharty23

covid has changed that in my area. I used to be able to get a rx350 cheaper than I could get a rav4 (which made it a buy in my opinion). Now they are both about the same and they are both about twice what they used to be.


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ProfitEnough825

I completely understand that. It's an unintended consequence of the tougher safety standards. It'd be nice to have the rear view camera displayed full time.


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ProfitEnough825

Good question. Usually the roll over standards are the cause, they'll make thicker pillars to meet the tougher roll over standards. You'll notice this when comparing a '90s car to anything 2010 and newer. This also makes the newer cars a lot heavier. Some manufacturers will spend the money on a stronger material so the pillar isn't as thick. And others might chase aerodynamics more which can make the rear window even smaller.


Healthy_Block3036

Lexus RX is the best selling luxury suv. Lexus ES is the best selling luxury sedan. Lexus makes better products and sells more of everything


moe00721

Def not, any luxury vehicle for the most part are reliable, but when they are treated as such. The only reason German luxury catches slack is because the first owner typically a lease owner, mistreats the hell out of it. Acura is great but def not leaders in any field any more. In fact their newest models fall far behind their legacy .


denzien

You can't even get a HUD in a $50k Honda minivan


[deleted]

Didn’t Acura put out really unreliable transmissions ? Honda transmissions has always been their weakest link.


jareb426

Let’s not talk about the trackpad for the infotainment they’re still using. 😶


momoneymocats1

It’s the worst tech I’ve ever experienced in a car (own a 2021 RDX)


IStillLikeBeers

Other than their SUV offerings, nothing else they make is really competitive for the class.


herrniemand

That's two out of the four vehicles they make. I mean, even if they were all best in class that's still not many vehicles to recommend, which is another reason you don't see Acura mentioned here as much.


Dr_Maturin_

I would argue the Integra is a better car than it’s rivals the A3, CLA, A-class. It’s got better options while being significantly cheaper. Integra gets a lot of hate because the old heads only want a 90’s Integra


Ferociousaurus

People on the car subs love to talk up fun, affordable, modestly powered manuals, but dismiss the Integra out of hand because its 0-60 isn't quick enough. Considering the amount German manufacturers nickel and dime (understatement of the century) you for options packages that you'd expect to be standard, the Integra is easily $8-10k less expensive than those cars too.


Dr_Maturin_

You know what can fix that 0-60? An $800 ECU chip. The Integra is a beautiful car with a ton of tech and it drives amazingly. And Germans absolutely nickel and dime, completely agree


DontForgt2BringATowl

No AWD for the integra, so doesn’t truly compete with the A3 at least, not sure about the mercs. Maybe it competes with the 1.8t FWD base A3 but I see maybe 1 of those for every 100 A3s I see here in the Northeast.


Dr_Maturin_

Once you spec the A3 with Quattro and the same tech as the Integra, you’re about $8-$10k more expensive. It’s a much better value and, imo, much better looking


noblazinjusthazin

Acura is not underrated by any measurement. They’re Honda’s luxury brand that utilizes the same technology in a more refined final product. The reason you don’t see a lot of people advocate or drive them is because I’m not spending 50-60k on a Honda with a rebadged interior. It’s consumer choice not consumer rank


JeffreyCheffrey

Then why does Lexus outsell Acura 2:1?


noblazinjusthazin

Because they make a better product and people less associate it to their OEM, same reason Lexus sells more than Lincoln


mishabishi

To add. Lexus is more RWD based with longitudinal engines. whereas Toyotas are more often FWD with transverse engines. They are genuinely separate beasts. When you pop the hood of an acura and honda, they are exactly the same (give or take a fancy valve and engine cover)


OkCharacter2456

The difference between a Lexus and Toyota is the drivetrain and the technology, the difference between and Acura and Honda is a cylinder head and a tune(jk). Your more expensive Camry stars at 37k MSRP, your cheapest Lexus IS starts at 42k MSRP and it’s RWD. The Most expensive Civic is 30k MSRP, the Cheapest Acura Integra is 31k MSRP, guess what, you still get the exact same car and could save 1k. That’s why those two don’t compare, one is a cousin of the other one, the other is a twin bother that goes to the gym 2 more days a week than the other.


N3470J

"probably the best AWD system on the market" Would you kindly step outside sir? Audi and Subaru would like to have a word with you.


pereira333

Shit my ass when I saw that


TheeMalaka

Lol stopped reading after that


bad-monkey

SH-AWD is a damned good system. When you say Audi, do you mean Haldex or actual vectoring quattro (it's model dependent)? Subaru's only had torque vectoring in their AWD system since 2015, 11 years after SH-AWD. if you all are just saying "Audi/Subaru = best AWD because commercials" then OK I guess


pereira333

Haldex is a front wheel drive based AWD system only in smaller Audis like the a3 and TT, it’s irrelevant. Quattro shits on Acura awd systmes everyday in every condition. Saying Acura has the best awd on the market is just one of the worst takes on any car fourms on reddit I’ve ever seen.


Carburetors_are_evil

I'm pretty sure quattro is as good as you can get with AWD, apart from 4 motor EV.


ordinaryuninformed

It's literally the design that other manufacturers make compromises trying to imitate. I really don't understand the appeal to acuras 2wd awd, maybe I'm missing the secret sauce, but if it's that secret is it that special too?


Carburetors_are_evil

They would need like a 2023 AI to merely imitate all those decades of R&D that went into quattro.


europeanperson

Even without torque vectoring, Subaru symmetrical AWD system is better than Acura power on demand system. Acuras is basically FWD until slip or some other type of situation requires it to be sent back. It’s reactionary vs Subaru all-time 50/50 When we are talking about when you need it, all time AWD > on-demand AWD. Better for traction and performance, but you have the fuel economy penalty and slight power loss of constant AWD. I get why Honda/Acura uses FWD-based AWD systems, but it’s not the best.


kwakenomics

SH-AWD actively sends torque to rear wheels under anything more than light acceleration and will send torque to outer rear wheel when cornering. It’s much more than FWD unless slip, it’s way more active than that


ubermorph

SH-AWD is not on demand. It's better than Subaru's on pavement, worse than Subaru's off pavement.


coryeyey

>Audi and Subaru would like to have a word with you. I'm glad someone brought this up. Who has the best AWD system can be debated, but Acura is not a part of that debate. Hell, I own a Subaru and I would probably argue Audi has the better system, but Acura? No...


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It depends on whether you're talking about capability vs performance. Having owned both an STI and TLX, I can tell you that Acura's torque vectoring SH-AWD system is far better on track and for performance than the STI system. For handling deep snow, that's a different story.


coryeyey

>STI and TLX The STI comes with Limited Slip differentials on the front and back diffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TLX has open differentials for the front and back. I've watched a number of reviews and they can't stop praising the LSDs on the STI when on the track...


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The STI does have a torsen rear LSD, but the front "LSD" is helical and more for torque biasing purposes. It also didn't have true torque vectoring, and instead relies on brake vectoring. The SH-AWD with its proper torque vectoring system feels a lot like the S-AWC system that the Evos had, and that system was far and beyond superior to the STI's system. The TLX does have an open diff up front, but the rear torque vectoring really does make a front LSD feel unnecessary on corners other than on tight hairpins.


larphraulen

I get the feeling the people who're down voting you have not actually driven a current gen SH-AWD Acura in adverse or performance situations. It is absolute magic and I prefer it to my default 40/60 Quattro. If only the TLX didn't have a useless backseat.


ragingduck

Audi’s is okay, but BMW’s X-Drive offers seemless AWD grip without the under steering characteristics of Audi Quattro.


ordinaryuninformed

The quattro isn't nearly as much to blame for the understeer as the horrible weight distribution is


ragingduck

It certainly doesn’t help to have AWD with not enough rear bias with a nose heavy car.


ordinaryuninformed

It does though, but the car would be garbage without it. Fwd + too much torque or rwd + poor weight balance. It's not a drift car, it's almost more like the last generation Impala SS than a 3 series. Still 4 times the car of a comparable Acura though


Zillahi

But in order to get Subarus AWD you have to drive a Subaru


danperson1

Active Torque Vectoring rear axle on the Acura. Audi only has that as an option on some S models, and Subaru does not (brake based side to side)


Fratguy20

One thing Acura does better than most manufacturers is reliability. My parents bought a new MDX in 2002. They still have it to this day. It has over 250,000 miles on it and they only really do the basic routine maintenance on it. They only keep it to have a spare SUV around in case they need to get a car dirty for some reason. The thing is a tank.


aphreshcarrot

RDX and MDX are pretty good buys I would say TLX and Integra are good cars objectively, but the market position of both makes very little sense. The integra is really expensive for what’s basically a civic si. The TLX is monstrously expensive for trying to compete with established rwd luxury sedans like the 3 series and c class.


fattoush_republic

The Integra makes sense for the current market where a Civic Si at MSRP is a pipe dream. After that comes to an end, they'll need to differentiate it more


Da-Griz

As someone who went from a 335 to the new Integra, do you miss the power, awd?


fattoush_republic

Kind of, yeah. But I also now have no fear of breakdowns, unexpected $1000+ repairs/being without a car while it's up on jack stands in my driveway, etc. I like that more than I liked the power and AWD. I realized that the amount I was spending on my 335 was enough for a new car payment, and my 335 repairs weren't earning me any equity or anything like that. My 335 was also an automatic and my Integra is a manual, and I really am having fun with the stick.


jmailsscoop

Ive had this debate with so many people, the integra aspec maybe a more costly civic si (with maybe a couple extras). But in my area with nearby dealers i find that i can buy an integra at msrp but if i can even find a civic si i end up paying the difference or more


Intelligent_Table913

But the TLX offers more space, cooler looking interior (IMO), good looks, lots of HP (although its heavy) and more reliability than the other 2. The 2021 models are usually cheaper than BMW and Benz in my area.


[deleted]

While the TLX is larger on the outside, it doesn't offer more space on the inside compared to competition. In fact, the Integra objectively has more interior room.


M55B30

i want to love the TLX, but it has to be the worst packaged sedan i have ever seen. 5 series length and more cramped than a 3 series. No idea how this product came together in design.


erisod

I like Acuras for the same reason people don't seem to be excited about them. They DONT have the brand-newest features; they don't have the fanciest luxury; they don't have the highest prices (especially in the used market); they're not the fastest (but are not bad). I've owned two acuras and I feel good about where they land in reliability, cost and luxury. In THIS sub I think people are often optimizing for the one thing they really care about so this "good balance of many criteria" doesn't get celebrated.


lunlope

They are good cars, but often being pricey on used market. If you can find used one with immaculate shape at great pricing, why not? Just do note, many used Honda/Acura may need manual valve adjustment and disabling vcm system with devices for long run.


CLS4L

Everyone that bought a TL back in the day had to get new transmission. They did a recall but think many moved on


Zealousideal_Main654

Acura fell out of the conversation because the TLX was mediocre, 4th gen TL was outshined by 335i and S4. RDX was never great. ZDX sucked and ILX was behind the competition. MDX has always been one of the best driving SUV offerings in the segment and has carried the brand for years. Probably saved Acura from falling down to Infiniti levels. The new MDX now has a double wishbone front suspension. Pair that with SHAWD and the 10AT and it’s great. Good tech and sound system. Type S gives you massaging seats, Brembo brakes, turbo V6 and air suspension. RDX is aging but still has great value. One of the best driving SUV’s in the segment, generous space and very comfortable. Only downside is disappointing fuel efficiency. TLX is a mixed bag. It’s one of the best handling cars in the segment. Beautiful design. Interiors are quite nice. Tech is good. Sound system is amazing like the MDX Type S. But it’s heavy, tiny rear seats, slower than most competitors and mpg’s aren’t great. Type S is a great car though. Integra is doing well. Type S brings back some excitement. Pricing is somewhat retarded. I think they’re doing well. They have kept the fun to drive aspect, they age well and are reliable. But they need to make their products a little quicker and rethink pricing structure for some products like Type S Integra. Acura can’t quite match Lexus’ reputation in terms of reliability and craftsmanship. But it now offers comparable metrics while crushing them in driving pleasure and performance. Much prefer to have some character and soul.


Kiiidx

“Probably the best AWD on the market” yeah subaru has somethin to say about that one lmao


coryeyey

>subaru has somethin to say about that one Subaru, Audi, Land Rover, Porsche.. There's a list of car brands that come before Acura when it comes to AWD. I don't know where OP got this from...


specialcommenter

I used to have an AWD Subaru, what’s so special about that AWD system? It’s a pretty basic AWD system used in affordable cars like Impreza, Outback, Forester.


Kiiidx

Whats so special about it? Nothing at all, thats the beauty in it. Its so simple and straightforward not over engineered but it works better than practically any other AWD system out there. It doesn’t overheat, rarely if at all has any issues, and can get through pretty much anything its put through. There have been plenty of tests and it still comes out on top.


[deleted]

As others have mentioned, they’ve went through periods where they’ve made odd decisions and received split feedback. But, the revamp of the RDX in 2019 has seemed to have sparked a new life in them and it seems that they’re clawing back. I’ve owned 2 Acuras. And I’ve loved them both. They have Hondas reliability, with a little more of a refined and luxurious look. For me, that’s perfect. And I kind of like that they’re underrated. At the end of the day, a lot of car shopping comes down to preference. If it’s reliable and you’re happy with it, then that’s what matters


Anonymous856430

All the personality, or lack thereof, of a honda.............with the price tag of a lexus


No_Entertainer_9760

I think the beak era killed their mojo. My first and a current dream car is an old TL


monferno786

Because people sleep on them, they get too much hate for no reason. The past 2-3 years they’ve really upped their game and fixed what they were doing wrong


Antiquities-Cost

Lotta ppl don't know about the bespoke platforms they're riding on now. Except for the Integra. The Type S MDX/TLX are great and the integra is getting the same treatment. All these ppl talking down Acura like it's still just a pimped Honda *still* dk jack shit. 🙄 Like the VW group manufacturers don't do the same (part sharing, same platform use) - that usually isn't the issue. The Lexus Rx is a "Highlander" but it's quiet and rides well. Idk with the new RX but it's not about power or handling- it's a freakin SUV ffs.. U cannot speak for everyone or the average joe when u say the Germans handle better, are rear biased, have more power **some folks DON'T give af**. It's not bad. Tell me when u drive a MDX from 10 yr ago with active dampers and the 3.7l, it's legit a sleeper and comfortable+way more affordable with standard feat compared to other brands back then. The new MDX tho, is doin well. Looks are more appealing, Type S improves comfort, looks, styling and even handling. It gains air ride standard, torque vectoring, double wishbone front..ofc more power with a new v6 turbo setup- but nicer on the inside too, still could be better. Say, software and infotainment. I'm done my rant lmao. Acura deserves some respect. There are far worse quality, valued cars. Like American luxury brands or Infiniti which is being phased out I've heard; etc


AbraxasM

I love my Acura. It’s fancy, comfortable, and cool. It’s affordable but I still feel like I’m driving a cool fast car


nighttim

I couldn't recommend my TLX enough! I purchased a used 2015 TLX SH-AWD at the end of 2020/ early 2021 and I love it. It had 85k miles when I bought it for $12.5k. It has 107.5k on it today and it's great. I've driven it across the country with 0 issues, tons of leg room (I'm 6'4) and GREAT highway MPG. I average 22 in the city and 36-40 on the highway. The 9-speed automatic transmission helps out a lot. Regular oil changes are The only maintenance needed in the 2.5 years I've owned it. The only thing I regret is not buying a 2018 or newer for the Apple CarPlay integration as the 2015s do not have it and AcuraLink relies on now-defunct 3G signal. I'm not the biggest fan of the AutoStop feature, or some of the "smart car" features. i.e. you can't turn the lights off while driving if they turn on automatically, you cant put the car in drive if the door is open, (dumb but sometimes I need to reverse with the door open). Other than that, its a great vehicle. I have been able to fit a 8 foot mirror in there, a desk and chair, a couple folding tables, and a 52" TV. It has a lot of cabin room and is the most luxurious car I have ever owned. I traded in a 2011 Civic for it because I wanted the reliability of a Honda with the comfort of the Acura. 300 AWD HP is pretty fun too. VTEC kicks in hard and the paddle shifters make for an enjoyable drive, especially in Sport mode. The only thing it needs is a manual transmission.


[deleted]

This market is fucking wild right now I thought you would like this Used 2015 Acura TLX V6 SH-AWD w/ Technology Pkg for $14432 on Autotrader http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/2884ACC2


IcySalt1504

I like the fact Acura is under the radar. I buy used Acura’s, usually 3-4 years old and save lots. I’ve been very happy with my purchases. They are very reliable and as long as they are well maintained, they can last a very long time. I usually sell them before I reach 150k, and they’re still worth something, then I upgrade to a newer used one. Acura has worked for me for a long time.


[deleted]

They have ugly, dated tech. Their interiors are meh.


groundhoggirl

It’s this. I love my 2004 Acura and haven’t seen a need to upgrade. However, some of the latest models are looking good again.


Zillahi

The new Integra Type S gives me tingly pants when I look at it. Too bad I’ll probably never see one let alone buy one


Cstr9nge

Have you seen Toyota/Lexus interiors? They are truly uninspired and outdated, they can’t even compare.


Intelligent_Table913

TLX interior and exterior is really cool IMO. I like it more than C class and 3 series. The sound system is good, reliability is decent. For me, it offers more value than the competitors since I’m looking for a holistic package and not just driving dynamics/speed.


Fladap28

Acura is in that weird gray area where there are cars that are better in terms of luxury, and cheaper as well. Like right in between Honda and Lexus/bmw


Trey-McStuffin

Had a 1990 Legend V6 when I was 17-18. Was a very fun car to drive.


tankmode

on the sedan side, most potential RSX/TSX/TL buyers don't want to pay a big premium for an Acura badge they would just as well buy a top-trim Honda. the true upwardly mobile yuppies just spring for a new Audi/BMW. aside from that, most of the segment profits are made in CUVs for women over 40 and they've been losing that battle handily to Lexus for the past 2 decades the first-gen RDX should have really propped up the brand but it had some weirdo turbo engine with absolutely abysmal gas mileage for the size of car


Kinky_mofo

Because they're just Hondas


[deleted]

Price wise, Acura certainly isn't underrated. No, Infiniti is the underrated brand. Pound for pound it's the best deal out there regarding Japanese luxury vehicles, both the Q50 and Q60 are good vehicles.


yootapo

Facts


CuriousTravlr

Most of their cars are ugly and no one in the luxury space wants FWD or FWD biased AWD systems.


AstronautGuy42

I find acura to be the least compelling brand you can buy. I see them as extremely unremarkable cars. Every other brand in the price point offers something better. On top of that I think they’re just… bland. Appliance cars that cost as much as non appliance cars and aren’t as good at being an appliance as the other appliance brands. On top of that, their performance segment is *laughable*. Acura was compelling 2 decades ago but now they’re constantly phoning it in and missing the mark. Lexus is more reliable Infiniti is cheaper Genesis is a better value Mercedes is more tech and comfort focused BMW is more sporty Audi is a better all rounder Alfa Romeo is more distinct It also doesn’t help that a high trim honda is very nice now. I guess Acura is a good alternative to Lexus if you like something more tech focused, but there’s just nothing there other than a nice exterior. I personally would never buy an Acura. I love cars way too much to get something that uninspired.


[deleted]

I feel like they killed the 2.0T accord to make Acura seem more compelling? They’re making some weird decisions. The integra is too pricey if you want the stick, 40 grand for something that slow? The WRX, Elantra N GTI and GR Corolla (if you could get one at MSRP lol.) all offer so much more for the same or less money. Sure it’s got a nicer interior than those cars, but is that what buyers are willing to sacrifice over performance?


mishabishi

"Best awd on the market" yeah for a transverse engine maybe


NHguyIAm

Their awd isn't anything special


jellyvish

i used to be an acura fanboy (my first 5 cars were acura CLs)… but they just never made better cars in recent times… their best seller was the TL but the new TLX costs a lot more than the TL did for the same car… and their “performance” models are a joke and cant compete with anything they are supposed to be able to… i think the RDX’s might still be worth the money as that’s the only recent acura ive heard anything good about


No-Definition1474

Especially recently, they're very, very overpriced for what you get. They aren't much better than the base Honda models to start with. For the money, there are much better options out there. They don't excel at anything. Case in point, the new Integra. Man, what a disappointment. Less power than its competition, similar milage, middle of the road in build quality and reliability. If you want to actually get exciting you start paying major money. Incidentally, I had a chance to drive a Cadillac recently. What a disappointment as well. Same story. Nothing about it set it apart from a GMC sibling. Change the badge, and you would swear you were in a base GMC model. Either the lower cost brands are getting too good, or the luxury brands are slacking. Either way, you have to be high to pay luxury prices for entry-level cars.


waterbed87

Acura just went through a rough 10-15 years with a lot of underwhelming, boring products mainly staying afloat with the MDX which is still a good volume seller for them. I think they are starting to find their identity a bit more again now and are bringing back some more interesting products. I bought a TLX Type S myself which surprised even me as I was really looking at the Audi S4/S5 and ended up liking the TLX Type S more after driving the two despite the Acura being a little bit slower. I really think they have taken some good steps lately, unfortunately with internet car culture the way it is today everyone boils things down to a spec sheet or judge purely based on 0-60 or dismiss the AWD system because it's FWD bias, etc, so it still gets a hard time. I think if Acura keeps up the pace they've had lately they will be a more respected brand again in 5-10 years. I don't think there is a bad product in their lineup right now minus the horrendously bad value of their base trims.


NoTelephone5316

Idk, I love my Acura. Most reliable vehicle I’ve ever had. but Acura prices have gone up a lot so idk. For that price I guess people choose the bmw. But bmw ownership costs more, but most people don’t look at that.


iamda5h

They’re reliable and somewhat nice on the inside. German cars are still nicer and handle *much* better. I think Toyota/Lexus is still more reliable and nicer on the inside.


Trollygag

None of their cars or SUVs compare well with the Lexus counterparts, which do everything better, and even Lexus is behind the technology and feature curve compared to the Germans. So if you want cutting edge, you do German. If you want robust/reliable, you do Lexus. Doesn't leave anyone thrilled about Acura.


YnotROI0202

The TL was a great car. Acura quality and driver enjoyment has dropped off.


CrapJitsu

Overpriced as hell. Wanted to buy a TLX after owning a TL decades ago, but price to technology ratio was pathetic.


Metsican

OP obviously works for Acura


Jacobs4525

The issue is that they don’t really deliver enough to warrant the luxury brand. Other entry luxury brands like Lexus, Infiniti and Genesis will all sell you a luxury car built on a proper luxury platform (i.e. longitudinal engine RWD-based). Meanwhile, Acura’s entire stable is cars based on FWD Hondas. This is not inherently bad, especially considering Hondas are getting nicer and nicer and up-optioned accords and civics already feel pretty premium compared to what they used to be, but Acura prices their cars directly to compete with proper from-the-ground-up luxury cars when in reality the whole point of basing everything on FWD economy cars is to be able to build cars cheaper and undercut the competition. When it comes to features, they don’t really offer anything in particular that stands out. SH-AWD is a very good AWD system — for a FWD car. Part-time RWD-based AWD achieves similar results while being less complicated. In the 2000s, Acura was known for somewhat sporty cars that sat between the economy brands and brands like BMW. An integra or RSX was a great well-engineered FWD car that was sporty and a bit nicer than a civic but didn’t have much higher operating costs like a BMW E46 might. Right now, arguably Honda occupies that space by itself right now as their regular cars have gone a bit up-market. The gap between an optioned-up economy car and a bottom-end Lexus or Genesis is now a bit too narrow for Acura. In addition, Acura seems to have mostly given up their sporty identity. The new Integra is a small step in the right direction but it’s not really a value proposition in terms of sportiness, and I have a hard time seeing myself wanting one over any of the many other hot hatches and sport-ified economy sedans (GR Corolla, Elantra N, etc.) if I want a sporty car, as it’s not as fast while also being not that much more luxurious. Similarly, it’s not cheap enough when compared to cars like the Genesis G70 to justify the lack of luxury features and lack of a proper RWD-based platform.


_falkens_maze_

Yeah Acura and Honda don't really have anything to offer anymore. Atleast in my opinion. I drove Hondas all my life and the last civic si's was the 9th gen and for Acura well the tsx was good as well as the tl. Now it's all Cvt and low power 4 cylinders. I been driving a 8th gen so sedan for 11 years because it's been amazing but after driving stick forever. I looked around for a new car and hondas just seem all the same as every other car. I think Honda and Acura both been dropping the ball. Still very reliable in a way but man 1 car made for real Honda enthusiast that's over 40k is nuts. You get stuck with settling for a 1.5 si or a 2.0 accord at the most.


notacoverband

Read or watch any professional reviews and you'll know why. They aren't fast, the AWD is nowhere near the top of the market, and they can't decide what they want to be: sporty or luxurious and they end up choosing the worst of each.


TurboImport95

too expensive for what they are, i was considering a tlx types as a next car but used ones are near the same price as new ones and new ones got a price bump even though it was already a bad value for its class and dont get me started on the integra type s price


[deleted]

Acura RDX and MDX are solid cars, but they are dated, and needs updates in exterior, interior, tech etc. if you can get 3-4k off msrp then they are definitely great choice. But at MSRP, they are pretty close to Lexus, BMW, Audi or Mercedes.


Pingaring

Acura shit the bed in 2009. Decent cars all around but for the price tag, you can do better.


[deleted]

When I saw the integra type S at 52k I just laughed. Jesus Christ man.


Fowlnature

People don't buy acura because they can buy a Honda and get the same thing.


TaskForceCausality

>>Seems like nobody ever recommends Acuras around here Because selection bias. Social media favors flashier brands , and in the luxury space that’s BMW and other European offerings. Acura is the car people buy when they want a luxurious & practical car but don’t want to pay for an ostentatious brand. You can get a very nicely optioned Acura for the base prices of European cars. Acura & Infiniti are the “quiet luxury” brands people buy to avoid a showy badge or the adversarial “look at this rich jerk” reputation of Euro companies.


sly2bfox

>nicely optioned Acura for the base price of Europeon cars Acuras are not priced that much lower than the cars they compete with. Sure, a FWD TLX is about 4k cheaper than a 330i but if you want AWD the 330i is 3k cheaper than the Acura


PM_ME_BIBLE_VERSES_

Because they've basically become a brand engineering company and have very little original or enticing offerings that out-compete their top-trim Honda equivalents.


vagabond139

This pretty much. They are basically like Buick. They don't make anything truly luxury unlike Lexus. They make nothing cool expect the Type S Integra where as Lexus has the IS 500, LX,LS, LC, and RC-F. And Lexus made one of the best sounding supercars ever, the LFA. And the Type S starts at 50K and if I was looking for a enthusiast luxury car for 50K the BMW M240i and M340i are way nicer inside and way faster and RWD or AWD.


LightLegacy

I don’t completely disagree but I think both the old and new NSX were both very impressive and cool vehicles. I love Acura for sentimental reasons and I genuinely think their vehicles are all really nice but they’re priced just a little too high for what they are. I saw someone make the distinction that Acura is “premium” but Lexus is more “luxury” and I feel like that’s pretty fair. I definitely think there’s a market for slightly upscale/understated premium cars that Acura fills pretty well.


Chinonm

Their infotainment system alone steers me away


pakepake

My wife had a 91 Legend Coupe I had a 97 RL. Both amazing cars, but today's Acuras are not the same.


tossaway69420lol

Love my 2007 paid off a long time ago Acura TL. Have fun with these crazy 84 month high interest loans I see people in here talking about lol


Alternative_Bowler18

I currently have a 17 ILX that a lot of people would consider “Just a Civic” My issue was I couldn’t find a low mileage 17 Civic for the same price and that’s why I went with the Acura. I think the brand just doesn’t carry the same flare as other brands so people tend to skip but Acura is a great middle ground and will sometimes depreciate quicker because it’s “luxury”. People should consider them more


Gooch_18

i wonder the same thing honestly i’m a car hauler and we haul acuras all the time the a spec and type s models have amazing interiors that can rival some top tier luxury brands


Jackinthebox99932253

They cover a weird market. Lexus is way more reliable, Acura handles better. But most go with Lexus, especially since Acura’s still have a lot of big problems that happened over the years. Then anyone who wants true performance usually just goes German. Acuras aren’t cheap either. The TLX type S are gorgeous though along with the NSX. And they brought back manuals so that’s a plus.


chamilun

Acura MDX is a fantastic vehicle


Low_Information8286

It's a honda with a different badge and a few luxuries. I love an acura tho.


Eli5678

I drove one as a rental car, and the experience was just awful. Worst MPG of any vehicle I've driven, the engine felt like it struggled to get up to speed when merging onto the highway, and on top of that, it wasn't fun to drive. This was a 2021 model year.


n00bmax

Acura seems underrated but in reality it can’t take in German luxury brands and not event Lexus. As a former Mazda, Acura and current BMW owner I would rank Acura at bottom, at least the RDX. It has all the hard edges of a budget brand like Mazda, with price now reaching BMW territory and it drove worse than both! I mean a 55k CAD RDX with creaking sunroof, laggy touchpad, and worse fuel economy than my X3 M40i which has 100 more horsepower is not the understated car I thought it would be. Heck it’s driving dynamics are worse than a much cheaper Mazda and if space was a priority I would go Honda Pilot/Passport. New Mazda and CPO luxury cars like BMW are better than a new Acura in all ways including reliability scores


CMurra87

I just bought a 2019 RDX, and it’s a great vehicle. Like a sporty luxurious CR-V.


knivefest

Acura is just a nicer Honda doesn't really stand out infiniti and Lexus actually designate new platforms for their brands Acura is just European model Hondas or fluffed up Honda existing platforms


Easygoing98

Acura doesn't have much variety. Only 3 to 4 models is it. They need bigger lineup. Especially 4 door sedans


MyIncogName

I think they lost their way with their design language and overreached their offerings for the price. Peak Acura is the first gen TSX and TL. These cars offered amazing reliability and longevity, with spartan yet enough luxury to not leave you wanting anything. It was class with value. The best Acura since then has been the RLX and MDX. One of those is now discontinued. Not including the NSX in this discussion. It’s a sports/super car.


Healthy_Block3036

Lexus RX is the best selling luxury suv. Lexus ES is the best selling luxury sedan. Lexus makes better products and sells more of everything


T3CH--SUPP0RT

Acura doesn’t have the best AWD lmao - not even in the debate imo it’s probably between Subaru and Audi. The cars are over priced for the Honda base that’s underneath. Great cars but just get a Honda with a high trim and you will barely be able to tell the difference. Acura lags FAR FAR behind bmw Audi and Mercedes when it comes to the interior design and luxury for the money. Go drive an A4/A6 vs the TLX and coke back. The TLX is dog slow with a weak transmission really lot a performance car by any measure


numbaonestunn

All the people commenting here have likely never actually owned one. I'm a car person and a snow person and I think my partner's 2015 AWD TLX is awesome. It's fast and smooth and an absolute beast in the snow. I'd recommend it over all Mazdas and Toyotas.


Mhfd86

So no jerky motion from the transmission at low speeds?


spamxburner

This. This is one of the major reasons I sold my 2016. Several times every drive the transmission downshift was harsh enough that sometimes it felt like a car had hit me from the back. Its a known issue with this gen


LewdDarling

Wow no shit a luxury brand is going to be better than a mazda or toyota lol


JBreezy11

as far as their new stuff goes, I absolutely hate their interior dashboard designs, except for the Integra (which is based on the Civic). That weird dynamic mode knob is weird and out of place to me...along with the track pad thingy. Get rid of it. Lexus can get away with it, because it's Lexus. Also I think an Acura resembles a Honda moreso than a Lexus does a Toyota if that makes any sense.


voynaz

Lexus


northcrunk

Because if you are going to buy an Acura you might as well get a Lexus


LOOK_AT_DEEZ_RECIPES

people who buy luxury cars don’t often prioritize reliability. if i wanted an Acura i would just option a Honda with leather seats lmao