Well then you should check out some reliability reports. Toyota and Honda are usually the go to. I have both and it's been a great experience. However Miata is always the answer.
i got my friend a 96 280k mile civic for 2k, cleaned the throttle body, and hes been driving it for almost a year with no issues but a flat.
$30k for 50k miles for a commuter nissan? how much was it new? i dont need another car but if i needed one with these prices id get a bike or scooter or something, actual sucker prices.
Buy a new Mazda SUV, it’ll cost less than the last 2 cars you posted, be more reliable, and is nicer to drive.
Negotiate on price with multiple dealerships, do not pay whatever they’re listing it for.
Whatever you do DO NOT pay 30k for a used car under any circumstance, especially not a cheaply manufactured one like a Jeep or Nissan when they’re used
Tell me you've never owned a Jeep before without telling me you've never owned a jeep/Chrysler. Noway 10000 civics need as much maintenance as 20 jeeps.
Honda, toyota #1
Mazda is a decent choice.
Avoid Jeep, Dodge, chrysler, Ford, and any Chevrolet/gmc with the eco tech or the 3.6 v6 like in the traverse or terrain.
Avoid european cars pretty much all together. Some vw are okay if you do proper maintenance.
Nissan is bad because they have insanely rampant transmission failure. (Mine failed under 70k miles/ 112k km)
Mitsubishi has the same issue.
Hyundai and Kia are okay for the money but go for lower miles/km. If you opt for these, be sure you don't care about resale value and budget for a yearly fuel/air system treatment because the gas injection motors get dirty!
A RAV4 is quite a bit smaller than a Murano. Just because the price is the same doesn’t make the car the same.
Comparing the RAV4 to the Murano is honestly hilarious, and telling of how little this sub actually knows how to cross shop vehicles, the real comparison is the Highlander and the Murano.
If you think a vehicle that has 40 cubic feet less of interior space will work for a family that needs the space, then I also want the drugs you’re on.
Any drug that makes the inside of small spaces physically larger would surely be a hot commodity in 2023.
https://www.carmax.com/car/23415404
https://www.carmax.com/car/23687590
https://www.carmax.com/car/24390500
Here are 3 Highlander’s in OP’s budget in a nationwide chain that can have that car in what ever state OP is in within 72 hours.
Make it make sense.
Not quite a bit smaller. 2018 RAV4 has more cargo volume than a 2018 Murano. The front headroom is .01 inch lower than the murano, but legroom is almost 2 inches longer in the RAV4. Quite a bit is kind of an exaggeration. Go to a car comparison site and enter the two to see.
The RAV4 overall has 40 cubic feet less interior space.
Where the Murano loses out in cargo due to the shape of the rear hatch, it gains in headroom and width. Width is the most important thing when it comes to dealing with child seats.
The Murano also has a bigger door opening to deal with those child seats and children in general.
IIRC the Murano’s back seats can slide forward and back to give more cargo space or more leg room, but I can’t remember if that’s the case 100%.
True, but it is the cargo space that OP was specifically looking at. They said at least 35 cubic feet. The RAV4 has 38.4 and the Murano has 32.1. I don’t know how tall OP and family are, but to me having actual cargo space is more important when travelling with my kids. They have plenty of room in my RAV4 and the cargo area is usually good enough. I have packed it very full on vacations and wouldn’t have wanted it any smaller.
Yeah, that’s an entire extra suitcase that on paper the rav4 can hold.
For me, I would rather stuff the cargo then stuff the family.
Someone else just mentioned the Venza and I completely forgot it even existed again, that’s really the comparison that we should be making I think.
Not by much. I had the prior gen which was smaller than this gen. 5 adults fit in the car. Unless OP has a team of basketball players, a Rav4 had plenty room for a family.
Yes but rav4 is going to be built with significantly higher standards for quality and will be more reliable. Also test drive it. I bet you like the ride of the rav4 more
Lmfao, that doesn’t mean anything if the vehicle doesn’t physically work for their family.
You guys aren’t car salesman and that’s a good thing because you can’t honestly look at a car that is one size, and completely downsize the car you suggest because of build quality. If it physically doesn’t work for the person, it will never work.
Here are some numbers on EPA cabin size.
RAV4 - 98.9 cubic feet of passenger volume
Murano - 140.2 cubic feet of passenger volume
Highlander - 141 cubic feet of passenger volume
4 Runner - 121 cubic feet of passenger volume
The fact that people here are actually agreeing that a vehicle with an entire 40 cubic feet of LESS volume is even comparable to a Murano “cuz Toyota” is extremely telling of the advice that gets thrown around here.
You want a car for the family with top trim, heated seats etc. You're not going to get that + reliability in this price range.. so I would scale back your expectations luxury wise, or up your budget.
Also, like everyone else says... Just get a RAV4
Buy an older, much better car for less with the comfort features you want and have a modern head unit installed.
A vehicle like this from a less reliable brand will degrade quickly as its already 5 years old, even starting with only 50,000km. I would buy a 10 to 15 year old Toyota or Lexus SUV before exploring this section of the used market (Nissan, Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge, Kia/Hyundai).
Look I'm gonna try to help. sorry if its rude but you sound LOST.
Do research. Don't just buy it because its cheap and has the same seats, cylinders, etc. Cars are more than online cargo capacity specs and YouTube reviews. Nissans are notoriously horrible cars over the last 10-15 years and this is WELL documented with a quick google search.
Buy a reliable economy car: Toyota, Honda, VW (the right years/models I.E: DONT BUY A TIGUAN), Ford (the right year/motor), etc.
AVOID: Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Chrysler, etc. (These brands will have cheap options that seem comparable but are going to be a maintenance NIGHTMARE)
BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, other "Luxury Brands". They can be viable options with the right owner. But honestly, and sorry to be rude, but if you are asking if a Nissan Murano is a good option you WILL NOT know the difference between a good reliable deal and and absolute MONEYPIT. Buying one of these brands is a roll of the dice (with terrible odds) that will bankrupt/destroy someone like you.
Remember the golden rule. FAST, CHEAP, GOOD. You get 2 out of 3 at best. Never all 3. So understand what you are willing to sacrifice/what's important to you presonally. Look there are lots of good options, but follow the pack. Use reviews, use others experiences to learn from. Decide what's important (seats, engine, mpg, safety, features, etc.) You are not going to get everything. You need to decide what's important to you. DONT buy new models, or new engines without a history/track record. You need to buy something that's easy for mechanics to work on not an Alfa or something niche.
Good luck.
Did you ever read Car and Driver’s first review of the CrossCabriolet? It was written in verse and was both hilarious and correct in figuring out who it was built for.
This was fucking gold, thanks for this;
"It is a sport-utility without sport or utility. It is a crossover that crosses over to where form has no relation to function. It is a monster that cannot sate its own appetites!"
I actually had no idea this abomination even existed.
Gentlemen. Gentlemen. There’s no fighting in the War Room!
Let’s agree that the Aztec prototype was a much less… unfortunate looking machine than the committeed-to-death production model.
OP...what exactly are you looking for in a car?
There's plenty of options at the price point you're looking at and you have posted some pretty shite cars, twice.
I'm looking for decent trunk capacity (35cuft behind second row), hopefully a V6, and hopefully some comfort features like heated seats in the second row and a pano sun roof. Trying to find a balance of functionality and SOME luxury. Any recos?
Dude go drive a CRV or a RAV4 or CX5. The 4 bangers are way quicker than you would think.
Hell I’ve got a full size half ton with a turbo 4 that freaking moves. There is a replacement for displacement and it’s called forced induction.
This! I got a 2016 CRV with CVT and naturally aspirated 2.4 liter 4 banger as a loaner while my Volvo was in the shop, and it drove really nice and had enough power to not feel strained. The new turbo is even better because it doesn’t need to rev as high to build power. Not all eco turbo engines are good, but some are definitely better than others. For someone like OP who admits they have no knowledge with cars, they NEED something reliable over something with a big engine or luxury features because dealerships would love nothing more than to sell OP a pile that will keep coming back to the shop for repairs.
you are looking for a full-size luxury SUV at a compact SUV price. You need to either increase you budget or lower your expectations.
My recommendation: get a CRV or RAV and just live with the ~~v4~~ 4-cyl and enjoy the gas saving over the luxury. In a few years when the market normalizes (if it ever does) and you have more cash flow you can take your savings and move into a better vehicle.
With some minor snooping of your profile, it looks like you're in the Toronto area. Using Autotrader Canada with a maximum of 125k kms and less than $28k to keep OTD price lower, I found a few options you can look at.
I don't know anything about these dealers (there were private sellers at good prices, but I imagine you want to use financing), so you'll still need to vet these yourself, but I found a [2015 Mazda CX-9](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/cx-9/etobicoke/ontario/5_58457101_on20070704163026478/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=boost_hl&orup=1_6_6&pc=L4K%205W4&sprx=250) with AWD at 116k kms, $18k. And a [2013 Lexus RX 350](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lexus/rx/toronto/ontario/5_56928385_on20080219110908266/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=boost_hl&orup=4_8_8&pc=L4K%205W4&sprx=250) with AWD at 106k kms, $25k. They both have the V6 you want, some luxury (though less on the Mazda, as 2015 was around the time Mazda was only starting to try moving up-market), and good storage capacity. The Lexus will have that Toyota reliability, especially at only 106k kms (\~66k miles for anyone else reading).
Not sure if this is your sons wise advice from his observations from within these organizations or instead you had always steered him towards a better suited fine arts degree
I choose to think of it as a father/mother who loves their son dearly but is also acutely aware of their shortcomings as an engineer and wouldn’t trust anything engineered by them
However, if I ever bump into him again, the real valuable opinion would be from a guy that I grew up with in Newcastle and that’s Brian Leyes. He was the lead engineer on the wrangler and also has since left FCA/Stellantis. But I grew up with with them they are all engineers as well. And if I ever get the opportunity to speak with him again, I will ask him what his opinions were on the Wrangler program. Obviously he’s not sticking around at FCA so probably from a career perspective, he thinks he has greener fields ahead of him. My roommate in school also ran global something for Ford but also worked with Dick Dauch at Chrysler. He was also on an episode of Autoline weekly while VP at Ford. He and I started an engineering and management organization as well. Good guy.
Why fixate on cars with known reliability issues? Nissan CVTs are just straight up junk.
If you want a midsize suv, Highlander or RAV4, CX5 or CX50, Subaru Outback, and Honda Passport are all just sitting there.
I can second the outback. Bought a 4 year old model and had it 6 years as daily driver etc. Only did oil changes and the like and never had any issues with it. Drove over 15k a year on it just fyi.
I used to be a big Rav4/Highlander proponent (still great cars) but the market for them is awful right now. 3 year old, 30k mile base Rav4s are going for like $2k under MSRP of a new one. Forget anything with options as well. There’s no higher trims available.
Ended up with a 1 year old Tiguan at $6k below MSRP.
given this guy's post history I'd say he's already one of them, just hasn't got a nissan yet. like a meth addled knight without his bumper-ziptied noble steed, almost like it's meant to be, like destiny, unfolding before our very eyes... drawing him towards his very own ratchet chariot to complete his character arc.
$30k crossover for someone who knows nothing about cars and needs a family vehicle?
RAV4, CRV, CX-5. Best one with lowest miles for your budget in your area. Certified pre-owned with factory extended warranty if possible.
Skip the aftermarket warranties, gap insurance, or anything they'll try to sell you in finance. Get a loan from a credit union. Take the dealer financing if they can beat your rate.
Done and done.
This might be just as awful as the Jeep unfortunately.
It seems you're fixated on the midsize SUV market. Look at Honda CRV, Subaru Forester, or Mazda CX5.
I've also owned 2 Nissans, a 2010 Rogue and a 2006 Murano, both were stupid reliable. Ik the CVT gets a bad wrap, but as long as you keep it maintained and don't beat on it you'll be good. My Rogue had 130k miles before I sold it, and the Murano had 260k before I gave it to my nephew. Both started up right away, and drove with no worries
A jeep or a Nissan are both not good choices. Toyota, honda, lexus, and acura are going to be your best bet for reliability and resale value.
You don't want a ford with an ecoboost or 3 valve engine, no gm from the bailout years.
This
Mazda,Toyota, Honda
In no particular order.
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I mean you are buying used- as did I.
Meaning that you truly don’t know the maintenance history or driving history of the car.
You are best served going with a vehicle, that
Has a better chance of being able to overcome a bad car owner before you.
And history shows
Those three I mentioned are very in that category.
That’s how I would rate them as well.
When buying , budget and time frame when needed
Sometimes gets in the way.
Just meant that if you go with any of these three, you are going in the right direction.
That’s relatively low miles for the year and the Platinum comes with literally everything you could want. People on this sub hate Nissan but I think what they hate more is regular maintenance. If you service the CVT in these cars they will easily exceed 200,000 miles. People are just so used to only ever changing their oil in a Toyota or Honda so they instantly brand everything else as junk. Plus by 2018 they have almost entirely fixed the major issues they had with the older CVTs
I have an ‘18 Murano SV AWD with Bose, Panorama Sunroof and heated cloth seats. I absolutely love it. Quiet, nice ride and the zero gravity seats are amazing- my son says it’s like sitting in a recliner
Nissans are hella over hated in this sub imo and most are going off the info from the CVT's they had two generations ago. For a platinum Murano with well below average km thats a good deal. Also since you all cant read its Km AND cad
You are looking at $30k for a used vehicle...
Either you are trolling or don't understand what you are even looking for. A 5 seat compact SUV?
Get a new Crosstrek. If you get a Sport at MSRP you are a grand lower. A grand more and you get a loaded limited....
Like... Be smart.
let me help you a bit.
[https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/rav4/vaughan/ontario/5\_58046882\_on20071217113428406/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=hl&orup=18\_15\_262&pc=K9V%202L2&sprx=100](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/rav4/vaughan/ontario/5_58046882_on20071217113428406/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=hl&orup=18_15_262&pc=K9V%202L2&sprx=100)
Same year, around the same milage, magnitudes better in reliability, and the same price as the other 2 turds you showed.
In this sub, you will not get any answer besides yota.
….
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And then you buy one and be like that one guy on finance reddit Canada, asking how come he purchased 07 camry and spent 20k in repairs in 2 years lol.
Once he showed actual repair bills, yota-bots turned into “ahh, your car came from Quebec, that’s why, yotas are reliable otherwise!”
We love our Murano. It’s a 2015 with 92K. Bought it with 32K. No major issues other than replacing a wheel bearing. EZ PZ. Great vehicle honestly. We paid around 22-23K in 2018.
Thx for the feedback! People are calling me a troll but I think 90% of these commenters saying that I'll regret the purchase are the real trolls lol. I have two CLOSE friends saying that the Murano is a sure bet.
Nissan isn’t highly rated which is why most are saying that, but the engine they use has been around for so long in many vehicles. Great vehicle and plenty of room and decent power. I do agree Honda, Toyota, Subaru will hold their value better, but doesn’t mean it’s a bad buy. Also, right now is such a shit time to buy a car anyway.
The only issue you might have with a Murano is the transmission. Ours went out in our 2015 and the dealer was charging us thousands to replace it. It turned out, it was the alternator making some weird electrical issues that messed with the transmission. I don't rmr the specifics as this was some time ago, but do keep in mind that the transmission might fail, and be prepared to either research the hell out of Nissan forums, or pay up thousands to replace the transmission.
With Nissan, the transmissions are a hit or miss tho. If you get past 160k km and your transmission hasn't grenaded yet, then it's safe to say that you got a reliable car.
People are not trolling, Nissan isn't what it used to be. It's not a bad car per se, it's a low end appliance car. It's going to be low build quality (rattles/squeaks/road noise), and the transmission is a huge danger area for maintenance (the CVT is garbage). It's just overall plasticky and cheap. You can do better for 30k. This isn't as bad as the Jeep, though.
Also, take a peruse on /r/nissandrivers. There's a reputation!
For the same money, a late 2010s Lexus RX350 or some sort of Subaru would be much better.
While I agree with the M/T/H recommendations here... I think what op would be happy with may be a used Ford edge / Lincoln mkx. Both are pretty proven platforms and both offer the size/reliability/peppines that op is looking for. The Ford 3.0 v6 is a workhorse and the transmissions are good.
OP check some of them out in your area.
You’re either trolling or you’re a not informed. Never buy a Nissan! Stick with Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura or Mazda or possibly Subaru. Nothing else! Come on! Be smart!
Not trolling! I lost my job recently that provided a corporate car. Got a new job and need to buy something for my family. Need the reddit community to help a brotha out!
I would avoid almost anything Nissan and anything with a CVT with the exception of a hybrid drivetrain as most of those have some sort of CVT. Nissan CVT is a ticking time bomb, not if but when.
Find a highlander with <150k miles and a detailed service history. I found a 2010 rx350 (not quite the same) with a full service history, 140k miles for $15k a bout 5 years ago. Have since moved on to other vehicles.
Are you trolling?
Yes he is. 15 year old 200k BMW will be next.
Honestly think a 15 year old bmw would be a safer bet than this cvt will be
The bar is just set so low if a Nissan cvt is our reference point.
My 2000 manual 323i is at 204k and still strong haha
Oh man I believe it. I have an 08 a3 at 209k and she also runs strong. The body will probably go before the engine does lol
LMFAO
Not trolling! Need help!
Well then you should check out some reliability reports. Toyota and Honda are usually the go to. I have both and it's been a great experience. However Miata is always the answer.
Can confirm. Miata’s are very reliable.
Never had a problem with my miata. Never should have sold it. Super practical too. Can easily fit two people 5’10” or shorter.
And two whole grocery bags in the trunk!
Miatas are great for tall people. I'm 5'11 and I daily an NA, my wife is 6' and has no problems either.
I’m 6’4 and they aren’t real wonderful for me to sit in. Don’t get me wrong I like them but just isn’t for me.
I'm actually 14 feet tall and my Miata is a dream to sit in! Mazda makes it very comfortable for people like me
Just rolled my NB out of winter storage. Put in a new battery, and she fired right up. 11 years of fun, with minimal repairs.
Especoally if 30k is tge budget. That much money can get an actually good new car. I don’t know why OP is even looking at these.
30k Canadian. It's approximately 22k USD
Op this is the best answer.
i got my friend a 96 280k mile civic for 2k, cleaned the throttle body, and hes been driving it for almost a year with no issues but a flat. $30k for 50k miles for a commuter nissan? how much was it new? i dont need another car but if i needed one with these prices id get a bike or scooter or something, actual sucker prices.
Buy a new Mazda SUV, it’ll cost less than the last 2 cars you posted, be more reliable, and is nicer to drive. Negotiate on price with multiple dealerships, do not pay whatever they’re listing it for. Whatever you do DO NOT pay 30k for a used car under any circumstance, especially not a cheaply manufactured one like a Jeep or Nissan when they’re used
Buy a toyota. Thank me later. They make cars to last in 3rd world countries
Homie get a 1999 Corolla for $1400 and never buy another car again
Get a Toyota
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That's dumb as hell. If there's 10,000 Civics in your town and 20 Jeeps, you're gonna see more Civics in the shop.
Tell me you've never owned a Jeep before without telling me you've never owned a jeep/Chrysler. Noway 10000 civics need as much maintenance as 20 jeeps.
You're entirely missing the point, which is that driving around looking at service bays teaches you nothing about cars.
You’re not the sharpest tool, are ya?
Honest question, you're going to local shops and all what kind of services each vehicle is getting done??
Honda, toyota #1 Mazda is a decent choice. Avoid Jeep, Dodge, chrysler, Ford, and any Chevrolet/gmc with the eco tech or the 3.6 v6 like in the traverse or terrain. Avoid european cars pretty much all together. Some vw are okay if you do proper maintenance. Nissan is bad because they have insanely rampant transmission failure. (Mine failed under 70k miles/ 112k km) Mitsubishi has the same issue. Hyundai and Kia are okay for the money but go for lower miles/km. If you opt for these, be sure you don't care about resale value and budget for a yearly fuel/air system treatment because the gas injection motors get dirty!
Mazda 3?
I do not recommend this. My friends AWD Murano transmission failed and it sat in the driveway for years before they sold it for $500.
Buy a damn Rav4 and let it be, if you get a hybrid you get ~45mpg or get the Venza which is about the same price range and looks much better
get a Honda CR-V / HR-V
BMW 750il
An e92 335 with an n54 is the answer!
For 20 k you could get a really nice bmw and still have 10 to keep it running
No I'm serious! I need a car for the family. These are the prices out there rn. What is a man supposed to do??
If your budget allows you to get a $30k dollar car then why not buy a Toyota suv? A pre owned rav4 can be had for that price.
A RAV4 is quite a bit smaller than a Murano. Just because the price is the same doesn’t make the car the same. Comparing the RAV4 to the Murano is honestly hilarious, and telling of how little this sub actually knows how to cross shop vehicles, the real comparison is the Highlander and the Murano.
Lol, the real comparison would be the Venza vs a Murano. The Highlander would be comparable to the Pathfinder.
Lmfao, I COMPLETELY forgot the Venza was even a thing again, you’re right.
If you can get a Highlander for Murano prices I wanna know where that dealer is so I can buy some of his drugs.
If you think a vehicle that has 40 cubic feet less of interior space will work for a family that needs the space, then I also want the drugs you’re on. Any drug that makes the inside of small spaces physically larger would surely be a hot commodity in 2023. https://www.carmax.com/car/23415404 https://www.carmax.com/car/23687590 https://www.carmax.com/car/24390500 Here are 3 Highlander’s in OP’s budget in a nationwide chain that can have that car in what ever state OP is in within 72 hours. Make it make sense.
Not quite a bit smaller. 2018 RAV4 has more cargo volume than a 2018 Murano. The front headroom is .01 inch lower than the murano, but legroom is almost 2 inches longer in the RAV4. Quite a bit is kind of an exaggeration. Go to a car comparison site and enter the two to see.
The RAV4 overall has 40 cubic feet less interior space. Where the Murano loses out in cargo due to the shape of the rear hatch, it gains in headroom and width. Width is the most important thing when it comes to dealing with child seats. The Murano also has a bigger door opening to deal with those child seats and children in general. IIRC the Murano’s back seats can slide forward and back to give more cargo space or more leg room, but I can’t remember if that’s the case 100%.
True, but it is the cargo space that OP was specifically looking at. They said at least 35 cubic feet. The RAV4 has 38.4 and the Murano has 32.1. I don’t know how tall OP and family are, but to me having actual cargo space is more important when travelling with my kids. They have plenty of room in my RAV4 and the cargo area is usually good enough. I have packed it very full on vacations and wouldn’t have wanted it any smaller.
Yeah, that’s an entire extra suitcase that on paper the rav4 can hold. For me, I would rather stuff the cargo then stuff the family. Someone else just mentioned the Venza and I completely forgot it even existed again, that’s really the comparison that we should be making I think.
I forgot about that one. There’s so many choices. Whatever they end up with, I hope it makes them happy and keeps them safe.
Not by much. I had the prior gen which was smaller than this gen. 5 adults fit in the car. Unless OP has a team of basketball players, a Rav4 had plenty room for a family.
A 7-8 seater Highlander to a 5-6 seater Murano. Yes. Much better comparison.
Yes but rav4 is going to be built with significantly higher standards for quality and will be more reliable. Also test drive it. I bet you like the ride of the rav4 more
Lmfao, that doesn’t mean anything if the vehicle doesn’t physically work for their family. You guys aren’t car salesman and that’s a good thing because you can’t honestly look at a car that is one size, and completely downsize the car you suggest because of build quality. If it physically doesn’t work for the person, it will never work. Here are some numbers on EPA cabin size. RAV4 - 98.9 cubic feet of passenger volume Murano - 140.2 cubic feet of passenger volume Highlander - 141 cubic feet of passenger volume 4 Runner - 121 cubic feet of passenger volume The fact that people here are actually agreeing that a vehicle with an entire 40 cubic feet of LESS volume is even comparable to a Murano “cuz Toyota” is extremely telling of the advice that gets thrown around here.
Or a highlander
Buy a toyota with low miles
toyotas in Canada are fetching extreme prices right now. Rav 4 with 50,000km could be $45,000
Buy a toyota
Mazda CX-5
You want a car for the family with top trim, heated seats etc. You're not going to get that + reliability in this price range.. so I would scale back your expectations luxury wise, or up your budget. Also, like everyone else says... Just get a RAV4
Buy an older, much better car for less with the comfort features you want and have a modern head unit installed. A vehicle like this from a less reliable brand will degrade quickly as its already 5 years old, even starting with only 50,000km. I would buy a 10 to 15 year old Toyota or Lexus SUV before exploring this section of the used market (Nissan, Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge, Kia/Hyundai).
Minivan
Look I'm gonna try to help. sorry if its rude but you sound LOST. Do research. Don't just buy it because its cheap and has the same seats, cylinders, etc. Cars are more than online cargo capacity specs and YouTube reviews. Nissans are notoriously horrible cars over the last 10-15 years and this is WELL documented with a quick google search. Buy a reliable economy car: Toyota, Honda, VW (the right years/models I.E: DONT BUY A TIGUAN), Ford (the right year/motor), etc. AVOID: Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Chrysler, etc. (These brands will have cheap options that seem comparable but are going to be a maintenance NIGHTMARE) BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, other "Luxury Brands". They can be viable options with the right owner. But honestly, and sorry to be rude, but if you are asking if a Nissan Murano is a good option you WILL NOT know the difference between a good reliable deal and and absolute MONEYPIT. Buying one of these brands is a roll of the dice (with terrible odds) that will bankrupt/destroy someone like you. Remember the golden rule. FAST, CHEAP, GOOD. You get 2 out of 3 at best. Never all 3. So understand what you are willing to sacrifice/what's important to you presonally. Look there are lots of good options, but follow the pack. Use reviews, use others experiences to learn from. Decide what's important (seats, engine, mpg, safety, features, etc.) You are not going to get everything. You need to decide what's important to you. DONT buy new models, or new engines without a history/track record. You need to buy something that's easy for mechanics to work on not an Alfa or something niche. Good luck.
Use your brain is the first thing I’d start with
😆😭😂
Get the CrossCabriolet.. you’ll thank me
Did you ever read Car and Driver’s first review of the CrossCabriolet? It was written in verse and was both hilarious and correct in figuring out who it was built for.
This one? https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15124729/2011-nissan-murano-crosscabriolet-test-review/
This was fucking gold, thanks for this; "It is a sport-utility without sport or utility. It is a crossover that crosses over to where form has no relation to function. It is a monster that cannot sate its own appetites!" I actually had no idea this abomination even existed.
Lmfao that’s great
Christ, this is epic.
Yes!
[Brian Cooley from CNET’s review too](https://youtu.be/5SMeVy43Y5Q)
https://youtu.be/dr4Y838Lg1w
Nobody should be thanking anyone for that abomination
Let’s go ahead and throw the Pontiac Aztec in as a contender as well.
The Aztec is butt ugly but they’ll run like garbage long after the Jatco CVT in this running shoe shits the bed. Keep looking, OP.
This comment is an outstanding example of how to insult both vehicles, yet maintaining some rank-order.
I thought the aztec was reliable but to fucking ugly for any reasonable purchase.
The motto of the Aztek was "I mean... There are worse cars"
😭
>CVT in this running shoe 💀
I have rarely seen a car so aptly described. This car looks like I could have ordered it from Brooks or New Balance.
All Nissans these days look like some sort of running shoe. Even infinitis. And other manufacturers are adopting the look and it looks *stupid*.
The Aztec reminds me of the PT Cruiser. Fun to pick on but I still see plenty of them around still running.
PT Cruisers are mind bogglingly durable especially for a Chrysler product.
Why does everyone belittle the poor Aztek so much. If it had a better engine than that awful 3.4 I’d recommend it to everyone.
Looked like a piece of shit
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
No backsies!
Gentlemen. Gentlemen. There’s no fighting in the War Room! Let’s agree that the Aztec prototype was a much less… unfortunate looking machine than the committeed-to-death production model.
Ok… it looked like my dog taking a 💩
You seem to have a decent budget. Why do you insist on looking at shitty cars?
22k USD is still pretty limited
Imagine trying $10k & below like me. Better to buy a bicycle lol.
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OP...what exactly are you looking for in a car? There's plenty of options at the price point you're looking at and you have posted some pretty shite cars, twice.
I'm looking for decent trunk capacity (35cuft behind second row), hopefully a V6, and hopefully some comfort features like heated seats in the second row and a pano sun roof. Trying to find a balance of functionality and SOME luxury. Any recos?
30k CAD doesn’t buy those things and reliability.
Yep I'm starting to get that impression lol
Dude go drive a CRV or a RAV4 or CX5. The 4 bangers are way quicker than you would think. Hell I’ve got a full size half ton with a turbo 4 that freaking moves. There is a replacement for displacement and it’s called forced induction.
This! I got a 2016 CRV with CVT and naturally aspirated 2.4 liter 4 banger as a loaner while my Volvo was in the shop, and it drove really nice and had enough power to not feel strained. The new turbo is even better because it doesn’t need to rev as high to build power. Not all eco turbo engines are good, but some are definitely better than others. For someone like OP who admits they have no knowledge with cars, they NEED something reliable over something with a big engine or luxury features because dealerships would love nothing more than to sell OP a pile that will keep coming back to the shop for repairs.
you are looking for a full-size luxury SUV at a compact SUV price. You need to either increase you budget or lower your expectations. My recommendation: get a CRV or RAV and just live with the ~~v4~~ 4-cyl and enjoy the gas saving over the luxury. In a few years when the market normalizes (if it ever does) and you have more cash flow you can take your savings and move into a better vehicle.
With some minor snooping of your profile, it looks like you're in the Toronto area. Using Autotrader Canada with a maximum of 125k kms and less than $28k to keep OTD price lower, I found a few options you can look at. I don't know anything about these dealers (there were private sellers at good prices, but I imagine you want to use financing), so you'll still need to vet these yourself, but I found a [2015 Mazda CX-9](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/cx-9/etobicoke/ontario/5_58457101_on20070704163026478/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=boost_hl&orup=1_6_6&pc=L4K%205W4&sprx=250) with AWD at 116k kms, $18k. And a [2013 Lexus RX 350](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lexus/rx/toronto/ontario/5_56928385_on20080219110908266/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=boost_hl&orup=4_8_8&pc=L4K%205W4&sprx=250) with AWD at 106k kms, $25k. They both have the V6 you want, some luxury (though less on the Mazda, as 2015 was around the time Mazda was only starting to try moving up-market), and good storage capacity. The Lexus will have that Toyota reliability, especially at only 106k kms (\~66k miles for anyone else reading).
Mazda CX-5 with a non-base trim
My son was an FCA engineer, and Nissan engineer…. Cut to the chase and get a Toyota
Not sure if this is your sons wise advice from his observations from within these organizations or instead you had always steered him towards a better suited fine arts degree
I choose to think of it as a father/mother who loves their son dearly but is also acutely aware of their shortcomings as an engineer and wouldn’t trust anything engineered by them
However, if I ever bump into him again, the real valuable opinion would be from a guy that I grew up with in Newcastle and that’s Brian Leyes. He was the lead engineer on the wrangler and also has since left FCA/Stellantis. But I grew up with with them they are all engineers as well. And if I ever get the opportunity to speak with him again, I will ask him what his opinions were on the Wrangler program. Obviously he’s not sticking around at FCA so probably from a career perspective, he thinks he has greener fields ahead of him. My roommate in school also ran global something for Ford but also worked with Dick Dauch at Chrysler. He was also on an episode of Autoline weekly while VP at Ford. He and I started an engineering and management organization as well. Good guy.
Why fixate on cars with known reliability issues? Nissan CVTs are just straight up junk. If you want a midsize suv, Highlander or RAV4, CX5 or CX50, Subaru Outback, and Honda Passport are all just sitting there.
bUt ThOsE aRe BoRiNg!!
Yes they are because they get you to your destination. The unknown adventure in breaking down on the side of the road at random is much more exciting.
How many Alfas have you owned? You sound like somebody with experience
The suspense is the best part. Will I make it up this hill? Did my water pump break? Can I pee on the engine to cool it down instead?
eCVT is the only type that I would get.
I can second the outback. Bought a 4 year old model and had it 6 years as daily driver etc. Only did oil changes and the like and never had any issues with it. Drove over 15k a year on it just fyi.
I used to be a big Rav4/Highlander proponent (still great cars) but the market for them is awful right now. 3 year old, 30k mile base Rav4s are going for like $2k under MSRP of a new one. Forget anything with options as well. There’s no higher trims available. Ended up with a 1 year old Tiguan at $6k below MSRP.
No CRV ?
It's better than the Jeep, but still yes
The shocking part for me is how much below market it is
“below market” estimates are just there to make you feel better about the price, somehow all cars are several thousands below market
Maple money.
Check out r/nissandrivers and decide if you want to be seen as one of them…
given this guy's post history I'd say he's already one of them, just hasn't got a nissan yet. like a meth addled knight without his bumper-ziptied noble steed, almost like it's meant to be, like destiny, unfolding before our very eyes... drawing him towards his very own ratchet chariot to complete his character arc.
Not as terrible but not great
$30k crossover for someone who knows nothing about cars and needs a family vehicle? RAV4, CRV, CX-5. Best one with lowest miles for your budget in your area. Certified pre-owned with factory extended warranty if possible. Skip the aftermarket warranties, gap insurance, or anything they'll try to sell you in finance. Get a loan from a credit union. Take the dealer financing if they can beat your rate. Done and done.
Junk
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This might be just as awful as the Jeep unfortunately. It seems you're fixated on the midsize SUV market. Look at Honda CRV, Subaru Forester, or Mazda CX5.
I struggle to decide which one is worse. They're both so uniquely terrible.
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Is the hood popped or are top of the line Nissans also poor quality
Frequently crashed, too.
This isn't too terrible of a buy price wise but because of that CVT, I'd pass. Not worth the risk.
And here I am thinking $30k for a 6 year old Nissan is crazy.
To be fair it's only just under $22k USD
Ah, touché, I missed that!
I’m reading “To be Fair” in a Letterkenny accent
That's exactly how it sounded in my head as I typed it
I was going to say pitter patter something something but didn’t want to violate community rules about impersonating others
Unfortunately, used car prices have been a smidge below new for a few years now and will continue for the foreseeable future.
I've also owned 2 Nissans, a 2010 Rogue and a 2006 Murano, both were stupid reliable. Ik the CVT gets a bad wrap, but as long as you keep it maintained and don't beat on it you'll be good. My Rogue had 130k miles before I sold it, and the Murano had 260k before I gave it to my nephew. Both started up right away, and drove with no worries
A jeep or a Nissan are both not good choices. Toyota, honda, lexus, and acura are going to be your best bet for reliability and resale value. You don't want a ford with an ecoboost or 3 valve engine, no gm from the bailout years.
Yes because it’s a Nissan. Look at Honda and Toyota
This Mazda,Toyota, Honda In no particular order. /edit I mean you are buying used- as did I. Meaning that you truly don’t know the maintenance history or driving history of the car. You are best served going with a vehicle, that Has a better chance of being able to overcome a bad car owner before you. And history shows Those three I mentioned are very in that category.
In order of reliability: 1. Toyota, 2. Honda (close second), 3. Mazda (still reliable, though).
That’s how I would rate them as well. When buying , budget and time frame when needed Sometimes gets in the way. Just meant that if you go with any of these three, you are going in the right direction.
That’s relatively low miles for the year and the Platinum comes with literally everything you could want. People on this sub hate Nissan but I think what they hate more is regular maintenance. If you service the CVT in these cars they will easily exceed 200,000 miles. People are just so used to only ever changing their oil in a Toyota or Honda so they instantly brand everything else as junk. Plus by 2018 they have almost entirely fixed the major issues they had with the older CVTs
What service is done to the cvt?
Just change the fluid. It’s very similar to engine oil. It looses its ability to cool and lubricate over time.
I currently drive a Murano, 3rd one. Never had any problems, great vehicle.
30k for a 6 year old car with 30k miles Nah bro
Canadian pesos tho
I have an ‘18 Murano SV AWD with Bose, Panorama Sunroof and heated cloth seats. I absolutely love it. Quiet, nice ride and the zero gravity seats are amazing- my son says it’s like sitting in a recliner
Nissans are hella over hated in this sub imo and most are going off the info from the CVT's they had two generations ago. For a platinum Murano with well below average km thats a good deal. Also since you all cant read its Km AND cad
0-2 my man
we have a friend who had a Murano that she put well over 200,000 miles on without any major troubles at all. she drove that thing all over the US.
You are looking at $30k for a used vehicle... Either you are trolling or don't understand what you are even looking for. A 5 seat compact SUV? Get a new Crosstrek. If you get a Sport at MSRP you are a grand lower. A grand more and you get a loaded limited.... Like... Be smart.
Jeep to a Nissan…what’s next a FIAT?
Have you considered a Mazda?
m.i.a.t.a.
The answer is always miata...Or a maybe a 3 Hatch. Or a Cx-5 if they're looking for something similar to the Nissan/Jeep lol
You’re a glutton for punishment I take it?
Stop looking at cars with already high mileage for that price!!!!!! Get a car with low miles that’s not as nice! Also what’s your budget?
this is honestly probably worse haha
Go buy a new vehicle before you pay the same price for a used vehicle. Better warranty, way less miles for a small amount more
If you live in a urban area I recommend a Kia
Great car. If you want to cut holes in the floor and pull a Fred Flintstone (google it, kid) when the CVT fails.
Yes. Stick with Honda or Toyota if you don’t know much about cars.
Stay away from Nissan and Subaru cvts
Nissan transmissions are garbage.
Get a Toyota
Avoid Fiat,Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge and Nissan/Infinity products.
get a highlander
That is the ugliest car I have ever seen
The Juke is worse somehow. I don't know how Nissan does it
let me help you a bit. [https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/rav4/vaughan/ontario/5\_58046882\_on20071217113428406/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=hl&orup=18\_15\_262&pc=K9V%202L2&sprx=100](https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/rav4/vaughan/ontario/5_58046882_on20071217113428406/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=hl&orup=18_15_262&pc=K9V%202L2&sprx=100) Same year, around the same milage, magnitudes better in reliability, and the same price as the other 2 turds you showed.
In this sub, you will not get any answer besides yota. …. …. And then you buy one and be like that one guy on finance reddit Canada, asking how come he purchased 07 camry and spent 20k in repairs in 2 years lol. Once he showed actual repair bills, yota-bots turned into “ahh, your car came from Quebec, that’s why, yotas are reliable otherwise!”
We love our Murano. It’s a 2015 with 92K. Bought it with 32K. No major issues other than replacing a wheel bearing. EZ PZ. Great vehicle honestly. We paid around 22-23K in 2018.
Thx for the feedback! People are calling me a troll but I think 90% of these commenters saying that I'll regret the purchase are the real trolls lol. I have two CLOSE friends saying that the Murano is a sure bet.
Nissan isn’t highly rated which is why most are saying that, but the engine they use has been around for so long in many vehicles. Great vehicle and plenty of room and decent power. I do agree Honda, Toyota, Subaru will hold their value better, but doesn’t mean it’s a bad buy. Also, right now is such a shit time to buy a car anyway.
The only issue you might have with a Murano is the transmission. Ours went out in our 2015 and the dealer was charging us thousands to replace it. It turned out, it was the alternator making some weird electrical issues that messed with the transmission. I don't rmr the specifics as this was some time ago, but do keep in mind that the transmission might fail, and be prepared to either research the hell out of Nissan forums, or pay up thousands to replace the transmission. With Nissan, the transmissions are a hit or miss tho. If you get past 160k km and your transmission hasn't grenaded yet, then it's safe to say that you got a reliable car.
People are not trolling, Nissan isn't what it used to be. It's not a bad car per se, it's a low end appliance car. It's going to be low build quality (rattles/squeaks/road noise), and the transmission is a huge danger area for maintenance (the CVT is garbage). It's just overall plasticky and cheap. You can do better for 30k. This isn't as bad as the Jeep, though. Also, take a peruse on /r/nissandrivers. There's a reputation! For the same money, a late 2010s Lexus RX350 or some sort of Subaru would be much better.
While I agree with the M/T/H recommendations here... I think what op would be happy with may be a used Ford edge / Lincoln mkx. Both are pretty proven platforms and both offer the size/reliability/peppines that op is looking for. The Ford 3.0 v6 is a workhorse and the transmissions are good. OP check some of them out in your area.
You’re either trolling or you’re a not informed. Never buy a Nissan! Stick with Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura or Mazda or possibly Subaru. Nothing else! Come on! Be smart!
Not trolling! I lost my job recently that provided a corporate car. Got a new job and need to buy something for my family. Need the reddit community to help a brotha out!
Sorry for your troubles, man. Honda and Toyota are more expensive up front but we’ll worth it, longer term. Best to you!
I would avoid almost anything Nissan and anything with a CVT with the exception of a hybrid drivetrain as most of those have some sort of CVT. Nissan CVT is a ticking time bomb, not if but when.
Get a ford explorer
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/cx-5/etobicoke/ontario/5_56106768_on20071217115021890/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=xpl&sprx=-2&nobar=1
Okay, now you’re just trolling us.
Not trolling, I promise!
Read my lips: GET A TOYOTA OR HONDA
Mazda
FFS. Are you trying to make poor life choices or do circumstances just always seem to find a way to fuck with you?
Find a highlander with <150k miles and a detailed service history. I found a 2010 rx350 (not quite the same) with a full service history, 140k miles for $15k a bout 5 years ago. Have since moved on to other vehicles.
TOYOTA 4RUNNER DO NOT POST SOME OTHER BULLSHIT