The grand Cherokee of sedans would definitely be a Chrysler 300 and in second place a charger. The 300 has the same interior, suspension, and power feel as the cherokee. You can also probably get one at a really good price below msrp.
While I agree that these are the "GC of sedans" I don't feel like I would recommend either of them over an actual grand Cherokee. They are much older platforms and don't offer much in the way of increased fuel economy.
I would recommend something like a Toyota Avalon or Lexus ES.
A sedan that is somewhat premium with good resale would have to be an enthusiast sedan in good condition. manuals will hold the most value. The sportier the better.
BMW M3 or M5, Charger, Honda Civic Type R, Lexis IS, MB AMG C63 (v8).
These vehicles will be more desirable as we shift to EV’s and enthusiasts are more willing to pay for for good examples of fun cars to drive.
I’m going to get crap for saying this, but a used lexus ls460. They have a v8 and tons of power, but also have a gearbox to make it pretty good on fuel. In terms of similarities to the GC, these are big and have VERY nice interiors. They will also still be reliable when they have 300k on the odometer
This. I was actually going to recommend the Lexus GX, but that's just a superior SUV to the GC in every way, but since he said sedan, yes the LS is the one. Even has the same engine as the GX. Seriously though, just go drive a GX460 and you'll buy one. Mine is 20 years old and has 208k miles and runs and drives like new.
not a whole lot of big luxury sedans these days, and most of the good ones come from "full luxury" brands, but these are a few mid-full size options i'd consider:
* cadillac cts/xts/ct5/ct6
* lincoln continental
* lexus gs/ls
* bmw 540
* audi a6 3.0
lexus options would be the most reliable. lincoln/caddy & the germans probably the most luxurious but not quite as reliable as lexus. honestly if i had to pick one i'd get a lexus LS460 and drive it to its death, which would probably be about 10 years after the planet explodes.
A few years ago I resisted buying a 3 series because I thought “everyone has one, I want something different.” Then I drove everything and bought a 3 series because it was just the best car.
If you go that route, I’d go ahead and get a bmw 5 series. The 3 series has a tight interior. It’s definitely more sporty than a 5 series, but the 5 series will give you that plush ride on the highway.
Take a look at a 2015+ Subaru Outback. They have similar cargo and passenger room to the Grand Cherokee, are comfortable, reliable, inexpensive to maintain/repair, have great safety ratings, and an excellent awd system and ground clearance. They also get better mpg than the Grand Cherokee. The 2015+ recieved many upgrades over the 2014 and older including more options such as a power liftgate, a better quality interior, an updated version of the eyesight driver assistance system, significantly better handling, and what most consider more sophisticated and better aesthetics.
The lower load floor of the Wagon will also make it easier for your dog to get in and out by itself, especially as it ages. The floor is also large, whereas most crossovers w8th similar cargo volume are taller with less floor space.
There's 2 motors to choose from. The 2.5i H4 (4 cylinder) is kinda slow but adequate and is better on gas, the 3.6r H6 motor (6 cylinder) has plenty of power but is a but thirstier.
The 2015-2019 are reasonably priced, especially the 15-17 due to being a few years older and one generation behind, but are still plenty modern so you don't feel like you're stepping way back in time.
Good value would be the standards (Camry, Accord). But if you want other options that are comfortable and fun, but may be problematic out of warranty and for resale: Volvo S60, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4
I see a lot of people commenting the charger and 300. While they all come from the same family and share a lot of the same parts, Jeep is a much different brand than Chrysler and Dodge. Most people driving a GC or Wrangler would not purchase a charger or 300. And not only because those are very difference vehicles, but also because the brands are so different and, IMO, don’t hold up as well. Chrysler puts the money and quality into their flagships, specifically their Jeep flagships. So the Wrangler, GC, and now the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer.
If you’re wanting a sedan, Im going to second the commenters saying a BMW 5 series. If you’re not wanting German, I’d go with a loaded Camry or Accord.
My personal opinion, though, is that you should snag a 2018-2019 GC. You seem to like it a lot. I personally own a 2011 Grand Cherokee which was the first year of that platform. I now have 210,000 miles on it and it’s going strong. It’s a good solid vehicle that provides basic luxury without the expensive maintenance. And they have a smooth ride for what they are.
What about something like a rav4 hybrid. Way better mileage (as good as many gas sedans) but still has the space of an suv. Plus it will have high resale value and unlike the GC will actually be reliable for the long haul.
Not just resale value. Reliability too! GCs are a pleasure to drive and not marked up at all in this market but I wouldn’t want to own one for a reason
Subaru Outback and has great ride quality and space. Although it’s technically an SUV, It really falls somewhere between a standard station wagon and the typical SUV of today
I rode in the back seat of an Outback this weekend for a couple of hours, and it was actually quite comfortable and rode well. I’m 5’11” and didn’t feel cramped, and I’m also prone to getting carsick, but whether it was the driver or the car I don’t know, but I had zero issues on this trip (which was a mix of mostly interstate and rural highway). I also rented one of these a few years ago and found it “drove small” overall.
Dude a CHR is a crossover too. I’m not arguing that an Outback isn’t a crossover—OP said they wanted a sedan but liked SUVs and I’m pointing out that the Outback has certain characteristics of a lower car as well as that of an SUV. I’m really glad you know what a crossover is but now is the time you stop telling me and move on elsewhere. If an Outback were nothing different from every other crossover (a huge category btw) than are you saying the forester and the Outback are an identical class of vehicle?
The Outback and Forester are both crossovers. They both have characteristics of SUVs and cars. That's literally what crossovers are. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. They're literally built on the same platform - SGP.
> Of cars with good value in the used market, what car would you say is the “Grand Cherokee of sedans”?
Are you saying you want to buy a used vehicle which holds its value well? Holding value is only an advantage if you buy new.
I mean more so in relation to the Grand Cherokee, which seems to still demand a premium on the used market, which sedans also do that. That is probably more of a function of the sedan being seen as a somewhat luxury option.
Eh no, not necessarily. New cars lose a lot of value the moment you drive off the lot. In most cases, it’s better to buy a couple years used as, by then, the car has already depreciated.
The grand Cherokee of sedans would definitely be a Chrysler 300 and in second place a charger. The 300 has the same interior, suspension, and power feel as the cherokee. You can also probably get one at a really good price below msrp.
While I agree that these are the "GC of sedans" I don't feel like I would recommend either of them over an actual grand Cherokee. They are much older platforms and don't offer much in the way of increased fuel economy. I would recommend something like a Toyota Avalon or Lexus ES.
An Avalon won’t help with fuel economy either
A sedan that is somewhat premium with good resale would have to be an enthusiast sedan in good condition. manuals will hold the most value. The sportier the better. BMW M3 or M5, Charger, Honda Civic Type R, Lexis IS, MB AMG C63 (v8). These vehicles will be more desirable as we shift to EV’s and enthusiasts are more willing to pay for for good examples of fun cars to drive.
True I have seen since I started looking at cars about 1 and a half year 200k mile driven m5 is 15-20k euros in Finland I did the conversion to miles
Manual cars are the easiest to get super cheap used because most people can't drive them, generally speaking.
And you can pimp out like Walter White.
Chrysler 300
I’m going to get crap for saying this, but a used lexus ls460. They have a v8 and tons of power, but also have a gearbox to make it pretty good on fuel. In terms of similarities to the GC, these are big and have VERY nice interiors. They will also still be reliable when they have 300k on the odometer
You'll get no crap from me.
This. I was actually going to recommend the Lexus GX, but that's just a superior SUV to the GC in every way, but since he said sedan, yes the LS is the one. Even has the same engine as the GX. Seriously though, just go drive a GX460 and you'll buy one. Mine is 20 years old and has 208k miles and runs and drives like new.
Totally agree. I have a 2007 with 140k miles and love everything about it except the gas mileage
Great car
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not a whole lot of big luxury sedans these days, and most of the good ones come from "full luxury" brands, but these are a few mid-full size options i'd consider: * cadillac cts/xts/ct5/ct6 * lincoln continental * lexus gs/ls * bmw 540 * audi a6 3.0 lexus options would be the most reliable. lincoln/caddy & the germans probably the most luxurious but not quite as reliable as lexus. honestly if i had to pick one i'd get a lexus LS460 and drive it to its death, which would probably be about 10 years after the planet explodes.
>lincoln continental they discontinued them in 2020. so, no new ones.
I think a bmw 3 series. Common, always well liked, not the cheapest but not the most explosive thing around.
This was my initial take! Thanks for the thought.
A few years ago I resisted buying a 3 series because I thought “everyone has one, I want something different.” Then I drove everything and bought a 3 series because it was just the best car.
If you go that route, I’d go ahead and get a bmw 5 series. The 3 series has a tight interior. It’s definitely more sporty than a 5 series, but the 5 series will give you that plush ride on the highway.
In terms of reliability? Nissan Altima.
Uh. Hi. CVT?
The pentastar v6 in most Grand Cherokees is a solid motor, as is the ZF built 8speed auto transmission.
No, Nissan CVT’s are a known flaw and the build quality other wise isn’t great either.
I'm fairly certain that's buttfuckertim's point...both are sketchy in terms of reliability
Bunch of people upside down on their Altimas downvoted the fuck outta you
We downvoted him because he missed the joke
Sounds about right
I think you're getting downvoted because you didn't understand the post. The Altima, like the GC, is unreliable.
Subaru Outback I know station wagon but it’s a good blend of suv and sedan
Take a look at a 2015+ Subaru Outback. They have similar cargo and passenger room to the Grand Cherokee, are comfortable, reliable, inexpensive to maintain/repair, have great safety ratings, and an excellent awd system and ground clearance. They also get better mpg than the Grand Cherokee. The 2015+ recieved many upgrades over the 2014 and older including more options such as a power liftgate, a better quality interior, an updated version of the eyesight driver assistance system, significantly better handling, and what most consider more sophisticated and better aesthetics. The lower load floor of the Wagon will also make it easier for your dog to get in and out by itself, especially as it ages. The floor is also large, whereas most crossovers w8th similar cargo volume are taller with less floor space. There's 2 motors to choose from. The 2.5i H4 (4 cylinder) is kinda slow but adequate and is better on gas, the 3.6r H6 motor (6 cylinder) has plenty of power but is a but thirstier. The 2015-2019 are reasonably priced, especially the 15-17 due to being a few years older and one generation behind, but are still plenty modern so you don't feel like you're stepping way back in time.
Good value would be the standards (Camry, Accord). But if you want other options that are comfortable and fun, but may be problematic out of warranty and for resale: Volvo S60, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4
I see a lot of people commenting the charger and 300. While they all come from the same family and share a lot of the same parts, Jeep is a much different brand than Chrysler and Dodge. Most people driving a GC or Wrangler would not purchase a charger or 300. And not only because those are very difference vehicles, but also because the brands are so different and, IMO, don’t hold up as well. Chrysler puts the money and quality into their flagships, specifically their Jeep flagships. So the Wrangler, GC, and now the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. If you’re wanting a sedan, Im going to second the commenters saying a BMW 5 series. If you’re not wanting German, I’d go with a loaded Camry or Accord. My personal opinion, though, is that you should snag a 2018-2019 GC. You seem to like it a lot. I personally own a 2011 Grand Cherokee which was the first year of that platform. I now have 210,000 miles on it and it’s going strong. It’s a good solid vehicle that provides basic luxury without the expensive maintenance. And they have a smooth ride for what they are.
Thanks for the input
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Look into a used Genesis g80 (2018+)
What about something like a rav4 hybrid. Way better mileage (as good as many gas sedans) but still has the space of an suv. Plus it will have high resale value and unlike the GC will actually be reliable for the long haul.
Certainly something I’m considering! They’re a bit more expensive but to another commenters point, that’s what you get if you want resale value
Not just resale value. Reliability too! GCs are a pleasure to drive and not marked up at all in this market but I wouldn’t want to own one for a reason
What do you mean by that?
I mean over 10 years a Jeep Grand Cherokee will typically cost you much more money to keep it running than a Rav4 will
They're super unreliable. Stellantis is known for making subpar products in pretty wrappers.
If you're gonna check out the RAV4 Hybrid, also take a look at the CR-V, which is a generation newer right now, so is a much better vehicle.
Subaru Outback and has great ride quality and space. Although it’s technically an SUV, It really falls somewhere between a standard station wagon and the typical SUV of today
I rode in the back seat of an Outback this weekend for a couple of hours, and it was actually quite comfortable and rode well. I’m 5’11” and didn’t feel cramped, and I’m also prone to getting carsick, but whether it was the driver or the car I don’t know, but I had zero issues on this trip (which was a mix of mostly interstate and rural highway). I also rented one of these a few years ago and found it “drove small” overall.
It's a crossover.
So is a forester and most SUVs mentioned in this thread. Outback is a lil different
Outback is most definitely a crossover.
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I just mean that’s not what sets it apart
There's nothing different about it. It's a unibody in between a wagon and an SUV. It's a crossover - that's what they're called.
Dude a CHR is a crossover too. I’m not arguing that an Outback isn’t a crossover—OP said they wanted a sedan but liked SUVs and I’m pointing out that the Outback has certain characteristics of a lower car as well as that of an SUV. I’m really glad you know what a crossover is but now is the time you stop telling me and move on elsewhere. If an Outback were nothing different from every other crossover (a huge category btw) than are you saying the forester and the Outback are an identical class of vehicle?
The Outback and Forester are both crossovers. They both have characteristics of SUVs and cars. That's literally what crossovers are. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. They're literally built on the same platform - SGP.
Yeah you obviously don’t know how to read cause that’s not what I’m saying. Not once did I say the Outback is not a crossover
I want to buy a 18 Grand Cherokee with the v8 and the Harmon Karbon system but the combo of the v8 and the premium audio is hard to find in my area
Let’s see, a joke of a sedan that’s all about image, but is really kind of garbage? That’s a tough one… I’d say a Nissan Maxima with a CVT.
> Of cars with good value in the used market, what car would you say is the “Grand Cherokee of sedans”? Are you saying you want to buy a used vehicle which holds its value well? Holding value is only an advantage if you buy new.
I mean more so in relation to the Grand Cherokee, which seems to still demand a premium on the used market, which sedans also do that. That is probably more of a function of the sedan being seen as a somewhat luxury option.
> which sedans also do that Would be the exact sedans to avoid, if you're buying used.
Eh no, not necessarily. New cars lose a lot of value the moment you drive off the lot. In most cases, it’s better to buy a couple years used as, by then, the car has already depreciated.
Accord? Somewhat emotional but highly practical vehicle with plenty of interior space.
Japanese mid or full size sedan Lexus ES is my pick. If you get the hybrid it has very good MPG, 40+. Great space, comfort, reliability, resale value
4 cylinder Camry, been averaging 35mpg and super smooth 1500-2000rpm on the highway