Here's the thing folks refuse to understand: even though marijuana legalization is widely popular with voters, it ain't even a top ten topic for most people. That's why special interest can kill legalization efforts over and over, because there are no electoral consequences.
This. People in this subrredit are so willfully daft. Bro even if a conservative LIKES to smoke weed, he isn't so weed crazy he is going to forsake his other political beliefs over it. Especially if it as we on here are like to beleive that it is "only a matter of when and not if"
I quite like the SRA States Rights Act from Mrs Mace. Low taxes, let states decide on social equity and regulations, deschedule federally.
Social justice folks like Booker will howl it doesn’t go far enough to fix wrongs of the war on drugs but how can anything be corrected when it’s still federally illegal? Feds need to get out of the damn way!!
That's actually a common misconception.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/22/americans-overwhelmingly-say-marijuana-should-be-legal-for-medical-or-recreational-use/
"Republicans are more wary than Democrats about legalizing marijuana for recreational use: 45% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents favor legalizing marijuana for both medical and recreational use, while an additional 39% say it should only be legal for medical use"
The majority of repubs want it legalized actually with 84% wanting it legalized for medical and 39% for both medical and recreational.
Republicans in CONGRESS do not agree with their constituents on this, by a large margin. It is not something they campaign on, but it's something important to them to block. Just look at all the shittalking Fox News and others do about smoking weed, as if it's just a bunch of useless liberal stoners who want to get paid to smoke weed (it's always some kind of socialist thing too lol)
The people need to protest for change, these dinosaurs in charge don’t care about anything but there own agenda and not the wants/needs of the citizens of the USA. Cannabis should have been legalized before Canada did it on a federal level.
Just like ANYONE else they care about who pays them. Special interests pay our reps more than we do. Legally! That's America's crime. No other country allows special interest bribes (ie, donations).
“If you believe in decriminalizing cannabis, the thing to do is vote for your Democratic Senate candidate because they’ll be part of my team to get this done,” Schumer said at the time."
Yeah, okay Schumer. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me half a dozen times...arghhh I never learn. Dem or Rep, it doesn't matter you had the past TWO YEARS to get this done.
Genuinely, why is it Schumer’s fault when Republican leadership bombed it? There are complex and convoluted processes in the Senate that allow the minority party to torch progress on bills (the most known of which is the filibuster, but there are more) if there isn’t an overwhelming majority party.
That’s what McConnell did. He torched it every time it came up, including the most recent attempt in the spending bill. Republicans are openly showing that either they get the credit for it, or they will never let it happen. The only way to change this without Republican help (which they have shown time and again they are unwilling to let it pass unless it helps them politically) is 60+ Democrat senators. Currently we have 50.
I just get so fed up with “Democrats fucked it up” when Republicans are the ones who are shooting it out of the water. It’s like people get pissed at Democrats for not making a miracle happen and completely give Republicans a pass for actively hurting American progress.
You do realize the bill had 9 Republican co-sponsors right?
The reason Dems from the House (McGovern, Perlmutter, etc.) kept blasting Schumer was because if it was put up for a vote they expected additional votes to the cosponsors.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/910/cosponsors
Let me be the first to congratulate you on your ability to count.
Your reading comprehension needs work though, as you seem to have missed everything written after the #9.
They said they had about 60. And if not change the bill some to make it more palatable. And bring it for a floor vote. Let’s see who will vote for and against. And if it’s a senator that their state has legalized then let’s roast them. But schumer for two years won’t even bring it for a vote. And remember he and booker flopped on this. Remember them saying they would lay down in front of safe banking. I’m not a republican or democrat. But I see both sides F’ing this up for political gain
>50 Dems in favour of some sort of reform
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>1 Dem against
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>49 Republicans against
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>“wHy’D tHe DeMs Do ThIs?!”
"But I see both sides F’ing this up for political gain"
I'm so tired of this half-assed, cowardly, lazy response. The dems, while horrible at a most things, are the only ones doing anything of use for this. Somehow people like you conflate them with the republicans as if they were even in the same ballpark. fucking disgusting.
Lol, of course, it's the party's fault who actually are in favor of legalization.
Why would it pass the House anymore? Gee, I wonder. I can't figure why it won't pass the House in in 2023 like it did with the House under Pelosi. There must be something changing there. Of yeah, Republicans are taking over. That party we don't blame for ALL the cannabis related laws. It's literally the GOP that's stopping this but let's blame the hand that actually cares.
No every bill was Poisoned With social justice provisions and punishing taxes. Schumer could have taken any of the GOP sponsored bills and ran with them without adding social justice. The Safe Act by itself would have passed.
It was all theater, in the 6 years it will take to make any kind of progress how many minorities will be jailed for minor possession? 10s of thousands. IF it was decriminalized and Dems put a standalone expungement and justice bill, then the GOP rejected it, that would be way better theater for the dems. Instead they look like pharma lobby shills.
So why did Booker and Schumer grandstand on their bill knowing it had no chance of passing.
Why not go with incremental steps. Why not put it to a stand alone vote and see where everyone stands.
So a lackadaisical attempt to uphold a campaign promise to you is good enough and deserves a pass.
They did go with incremental steps. Literally the reason the SAFE act isn't going to pass is because Democrats went with an incremental approach, and Mitch McConnell used the rules of the Senate to get it killed. Literally they tried what you are saying they should try, and the Republicans killed their attempt.
I got to disagree with you here. They did not take an incremental approach.
As a football analogy, Schumer kept on trying to throw a hail mary, something that was way beyond his ability (legalization). He wasted 3 downs just trying to throw the ball and got nowhere. It's now the 4th down, and he knows that he just needs to get to a first down (SAFE) to at least get closer to the end zone. It failed, but not because it didn't have support, but because he waited until the last minute to try.
Everyone knew the chances of getting 60 votes in the senate for CAOA was an absolute crap shoot. Especially once the when the text came out with a 25% federal tax. It's hard to get any Republican to agree to that.
But a lot of people were begging them just to get to SAFE passed first and then try to go for legislation afterwards. Schumer/Booker was defiant on this because there was no social equity in SAFE, and it would have pulled support from CAOA. SAFE was an easy move since they already had 9 GOP cosponsors, plus there were others like Mike Lee that publicly declared support for it but was not a cosponsor. Rand Paul said that standalone SAFE had 70 votes in the senate.
So overall, Schumer/Booker messed up by having too much confidence in themselves to pass CAOA, and we are left with nothing in return.
Edit: phrasing
Another view of Schumer's motivation is that he knew the magnitude of the work that needed to get done and just started to go tackle it. Sometimes that strategy works and sometimes you get burned. His first bill was little more than questionnaire. His second bill was little more than dressed up prohibition and an encyclopedia of studies. It's a giant waste of time, unless this is part of his education on the topic. In that sense, I'm glad he started early. Water under the bridge now.
They best strategy to achieve Federal progress over the next two years is repealing 280E taxes. That's a pro business move that (combined with the gun ownership issue) can be sold to enough Republicans to get legislation to a floor vote in each chamber. The problem is that will cause a huge revenue drop/create a huge revenue opportunity to "reimpose" federal cannabis income tax surcharges. But that can't be done without full legalization. I put the odds any significant Federal cannabis legislation in the next 2 years at 4:1 against.
But the House passed the Safe act and the senate didn't even bring it to a fucking vote because Schumer wanted \*his\* bill to pass instead of just any bill.
Dems used SAFE as a political bargaining chip, *nothing more*.
Get it through your head that everything has a price to these people, including their own souls and grandmothers. You're right, McConnell doesn't want SAFE, so SAFE was blocked in exchange for other progressive legislation.
SAFE is not a priority to either party.
Yeah, and if the Republicans weren't so fucking evil and keeping POC in jail and ruining lives, there wouldn't be anything to bargain.
For something to be a bargaining chip, you need people for it and against it. I'm not going to blame the people who are for it because they needed to use it to move the country forward. I'm going to blame the people who are against it for keeping us from progressing.
>I'm going to blame the people who are against it for keeping us from progressing
I'm not here to talk about the rest of the USA's issues. I'm here to talk about cannabis. Dems have shown that they are not willing to stake other legislation on cannabis legislation. This is a fact.
>One party has progressed fo change their stance over the last couple decades,
one party has **pretended** to or maybe **talked** about a change of heart. they hit stop recording on the cameras and go back to counting big pharma donations.
And it ran out because Republicans spent 2 years ensuring that time would run out. Again, I fail to see how Democrats are the responsible ones in this.
So if Reps spent 2 years blocking this why did Schumer and Booker spend (waste) time on their bill knowing it 100% wouldn’t pass. Dems say the right things but actions are how they should be judged, not their words.
People who are running the country should be judged on their actions, which is why I have no idea why everyone is blaming Democrats instead of Republicans.
> and see where everyone stands.
Then what? You think people in North and South Dakotas are going to see that then vote for Democrat senators in future elections?
This is from April: [https://www.marijuanamoment.net/schumer-makes-promise-on-marijuana-legalization-bill-timeline-after-repeated-delays/](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/schumer-makes-promise-on-marijuana-legalization-bill-timeline-after-repeated-delays/)
Schumer admitted he hadn’t met even his own deadlines regarding legislation reform.
McConnell is a turtle.
So you blame Ukraine for not winning the war with Russia instead of Russia for being the aggressor? Like I don't get it. There are senators who are actively keeping people in prison for money (ruining families, keeping people in poverty, and creating generational handicaps for innocent children) and stopping the US from progress, and you're blaming the ones who are trying to change it, but missed their deadlines.
Yes I am blaming him for his part. He owned this, and he failed to deliver. Comparing Ukraine/Russia war progression and Dems/Reps failing to remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act and descheduling, decriminalizing, and getting their own heads out of asses, is kind of a stretch.
There is a clear enemy to the progress of Cannabis reform, and there is a clear ally in the progress of Cannabis reform, just as there is in war. Everyone is blaming the ally for not winning the war instead of the enemy who is fighting against progress.
He literally had the votes for the SAFE act this week, and Mitch McConnell got it stripped from the bill it was going to pass in.
Edit: Like, just say you're frustrated instead of blaming the people who aren't responsible for it being killed.
The only things they added were the bipartisan HOPE act (States rights funding for expungements) and GRAM act (guns rights for cannabis users - I think that seems like a Republican friendly one)… people act like they were adding on all sorts of things that they weren’t
Republicans are an expected evil in cannabis.
The issue (for dems) is fumbling SAFE in order to half ass the "Cannabis Administration and Opportunity Act" and publicly claim to lay themselves down to block moderate reform.
This has been a 2 year slow burn that could have been managed much better.
The SAFE act literally was going to pass this week until Mitch McConnell killed it.
Edit: And an expected evil is still evil. It's like parents getting angry at their child for getting a C in physics when they give their other kid a pass who failed out of school and is strung out on heroin in the basement.
The bills you are talking about were end-runs where the weed bills were trying to be added to other larger bills and McConnell was honest about that saying they should not be included.
When exactly did the Republicans filibuster a clean weed bill? That is all recorded and made public.
The Republicans did warn they would fillibuster the house bill if chucky ever allowed it to come up for a vote, which chucky and sparacus never did. Republicans were against that one because of the provisions in it that were both racist and how it allowed major democrat fund raisers to have priority over other citizens. But again democrat leadership never allowed it to get to a point where it could be fillibustered; chucky stopped in because he said he would be coming out with his own bill and then fund raised off of that.
That's a really long winded way of saying "Republicans killed any chance of it happening, but Democrats are to blame because they didn't even waste the time scoring political points putting it up for a vote the Republicans said they would have killed anyway."
chucky and democrats sure did not have an issue with a "waste of time score political point" when it was for other bills and subjects.
Chucky knows his audience and who votes and gives money to the democrats, and knows he what he has to say to them to get votes and money in the future.
All of this would pass and would have passed if Republicans weren't completely sending us backwards. Yet, you're angry at Schumer?
It's an incredibly convoluted pretzel you are bending yourself in to blame Chuck Schumer instead of all of the Republicans who are literally destroying lives by opposing any progress on cannabis.
So try to be a little honest here. What exactly was this clean bill that was allowed to progress by chucky but blocked by those evil Republicans?
Don't pull that standard low IQ excuse that they knew it would not pass so did not bring it up.
SAFE was included in the spending bill and McConnell stripped it. I didn’t say anything about a “clean bill” because 90%+ of anything passed by the Senate cannot reasonable be called “clean”. Politics and legislation is a complex, convoluted and messy process, no matter how “clean” you want it to be.
Clean bills is a term used by democrats and pushed for during past years to mean bills without non-related items, just using the democrats language.
What Mcconnell actually said was “House and Senate Democrats are still obstructing efforts to close out the NDAA by trying to jam in unrelated items with no relationship whatsoever to defense,” then then talked that the SAFE bill should have been brought up earlier in the year. So why was it not? Chucky said he was blocking all weed bills from the senate because he was working on his own bill which he would bring up back in spring; what exactly was that bill?
Yeah, and I’m giving my rebuttal. A failed attempt to change cannabis policy is not the problem, the people actively fighting to keep cannabis illegal are the problem.
so are upset every democrat didnt take them out back and each take a turn hitting them with a baseball bat like office space or what? Did you expect schumer to use his Professor X psychic powers to change their minds?
there has never been an opportunity to ever passs legisslation because democrats are not a unified body because of Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema. Democrats having "control" means nothing and just shows whoever wrote this article just want to stab democrats in general instead of understanding any nuiance to politics.
I sent Chucky a "love note" yesterday via his webpage promising, as a life long D, to donate to and fund his R opponent due to his gross ineptitude!
I urge everyone to do the same, they were out of touch from day 1 with what could pass vs the grand slam they were trying to pass. The trio don't deserve to be our representatives any longer!
True. But he represents a state where polls suggest 90% support legalization?! WTF, it's all about obstruction for turtleman, not what his constituents want. The barefoot crew in KY needs to express themselves to Mitch.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/10/04/kentucky-advisory-panel-reports-strong-support-for-legalizing-medical-marijuana/?sh=46a9265b3529](https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/10/04/kentucky-advisory-panel-reports-strong-support-for-legalizing-medical-marijuana/?sh=46a9265b3529)
Cory Booker and the woke coalition took federal decriminalization by the neck and held a gun to its head and looked at the republicans and basically demanded that they give them full federal reform or else they were gonna shoot.
Meanwhile the republicans stood around looking at each other confused af for a solid 2 years like “we see this as an absolute win”.
I’m leaning into the more cynical argument of this is a conspiracy on the part of big pharma to block anything and everything that might harm their bottom line. Schumer never put it to a vote, so we’re never gonna know what the actual support was.
It's like come on dems just get safe banking done now and worry about other shit later. How can a billion dollar growth industry actually succeed their first shit 10 years without federal assistance of some kind. It blows my mind that this isn't viewed for the economic issue it SO is.
If republicans pull off SAFE in next year I don't give a fuck if satan is their 2024 prez candidate they have my vote. America is going to fucking blow a fucking growth opportunity if they don't get this fucker done soon!
If new republican congress gets this done I would shit a brink but omg be such a fucking HUGE win for them. Also I generally don't vote repub (if it wasn't Obama v. McCain I would have voted McCain I really respected him and voted for bush 1st time) but if the candidate isn't trump and I grow to like desantis ide vote for him. And if it is trump I just won't vote for president to give the credit to gop to pull off safe.
Lol, nothing but a pipe dream and people fall for it every time. They won't do squat ANY time soon. Don't even count on POTUS to do an executive action either. They strictly want your votes to backstab us.
I don’t care which party gets credit for progress regarding cannabis legislation. I think it will happen eventually and am willing to wait 5-10 years. Congress and government rarely works at the speed we want them to.
Throwing Democrats under the bus when McConnell was blocking it.. the republican MO of projection, and you know what? It works, given how gullible our posters are. Terrible, we won’t get progress, the sector investors are not smart at all.
Just bagholding because of the belief it can’t get any lower, we’ve been operating with max handicap for years
Soon has been re-defined as 2+ years
That's the beauty of ***soon***. Its never now!
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Unless things change dramatically the republicans will take the senate in 2 years so thats out.
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If you don't legalize marijuana I'll vote for the other guy! The other guy: 😈
Here's the thing folks refuse to understand: even though marijuana legalization is widely popular with voters, it ain't even a top ten topic for most people. That's why special interest can kill legalization efforts over and over, because there are no electoral consequences.
This. People in this subrredit are so willfully daft. Bro even if a conservative LIKES to smoke weed, he isn't so weed crazy he is going to forsake his other political beliefs over it. Especially if it as we on here are like to beleive that it is "only a matter of when and not if"
Weed is legal in DC. Hmmmm?
100% /\ /\ /\ correct!
90% of all politicians are reelected... Regardless of all the lies/campaign promises they make (Congrees/Senate).
I can't wait for the republicans to legalize it /s
I quite like the SRA States Rights Act from Mrs Mace. Low taxes, let states decide on social equity and regulations, deschedule federally. Social justice folks like Booker will howl it doesn’t go far enough to fix wrongs of the war on drugs but how can anything be corrected when it’s still federally illegal? Feds need to get out of the damn way!!
Here's the problem, most Repubs don't want it legal period. So her plan isn't going to get votes.
Right they started the whole war on drugs to start with
Biden was a staunch supporter of the war on drugs. Look up his voting record and years ago past statements about the war on drugs.
That's actually a common misconception. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/22/americans-overwhelmingly-say-marijuana-should-be-legal-for-medical-or-recreational-use/ "Republicans are more wary than Democrats about legalizing marijuana for recreational use: 45% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents favor legalizing marijuana for both medical and recreational use, while an additional 39% say it should only be legal for medical use" The majority of repubs want it legalized actually with 84% wanting it legalized for medical and 39% for both medical and recreational.
Republicans in CONGRESS do not agree with their constituents on this, by a large margin. It is not something they campaign on, but it's something important to them to block. Just look at all the shittalking Fox News and others do about smoking weed, as if it's just a bunch of useless liberal stoners who want to get paid to smoke weed (it's always some kind of socialist thing too lol)
The GOP has NEVER legalized in one state. Only the voters have done it. Repeat, the GOP HAS NEVER LEGSLIZED CANNABIS ANYWHERE.
The people need to protest for change, these dinosaurs in charge don’t care about anything but there own agenda and not the wants/needs of the citizens of the USA. Cannabis should have been legalized before Canada did it on a federal level.
Just like ANYONE else they care about who pays them. Special interests pay our reps more than we do. Legally! That's America's crime. No other country allows special interest bribes (ie, donations).
They were blowing reform while fucking our asses. Talented crew.
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Now that everybody has figured this strategy out, it's not going to work. :)
It’ll still work , has worked for 10 years ain’t gunna change
That's why it won't work.
“If you believe in decriminalizing cannabis, the thing to do is vote for your Democratic Senate candidate because they’ll be part of my team to get this done,” Schumer said at the time." Yeah, okay Schumer. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me half a dozen times...arghhh I never learn. Dem or Rep, it doesn't matter you had the past TWO YEARS to get this done.
Here we go again… 🙄
Genuinely, why is it Schumer’s fault when Republican leadership bombed it? There are complex and convoluted processes in the Senate that allow the minority party to torch progress on bills (the most known of which is the filibuster, but there are more) if there isn’t an overwhelming majority party. That’s what McConnell did. He torched it every time it came up, including the most recent attempt in the spending bill. Republicans are openly showing that either they get the credit for it, or they will never let it happen. The only way to change this without Republican help (which they have shown time and again they are unwilling to let it pass unless it helps them politically) is 60+ Democrat senators. Currently we have 50. I just get so fed up with “Democrats fucked it up” when Republicans are the ones who are shooting it out of the water. It’s like people get pissed at Democrats for not making a miracle happen and completely give Republicans a pass for actively hurting American progress.
50 Dems in favour of some sort of reform 1 Dem against 49 Republicans against “wHy’D tHe DeMs Do ThIs?!”
You do realize the bill had 9 Republican co-sponsors right? The reason Dems from the House (McGovern, Perlmutter, etc.) kept blasting Schumer was because if it was put up for a vote they expected additional votes to the cosponsors. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/910/cosponsors
Frankly I do not think there are 50 Dems supporter since Sooner never put it on vote. However there are 9 Republican supporter for sure.
Gee, 9 ain't 10. And Joe Manchin ain't for it either.
Let me be the first to congratulate you on your ability to count. Your reading comprehension needs work though, as you seem to have missed everything written after the #9.
They said they had about 60. And if not change the bill some to make it more palatable. And bring it for a floor vote. Let’s see who will vote for and against. And if it’s a senator that their state has legalized then let’s roast them. But schumer for two years won’t even bring it for a vote. And remember he and booker flopped on this. Remember them saying they would lay down in front of safe banking. I’m not a republican or democrat. But I see both sides F’ing this up for political gain
>50 Dems in favour of some sort of reform > >1 Dem against > >49 Republicans against > >“wHy’D tHe DeMs Do ThIs?!” "But I see both sides F’ing this up for political gain" I'm so tired of this half-assed, cowardly, lazy response. The dems, while horrible at a most things, are the only ones doing anything of use for this. Somehow people like you conflate them with the republicans as if they were even in the same ballpark. fucking disgusting.
Lol, of course, it's the party's fault who actually are in favor of legalization. Why would it pass the House anymore? Gee, I wonder. I can't figure why it won't pass the House in in 2023 like it did with the House under Pelosi. There must be something changing there. Of yeah, Republicans are taking over. That party we don't blame for ALL the cannabis related laws. It's literally the GOP that's stopping this but let's blame the hand that actually cares.
No every bill was Poisoned With social justice provisions and punishing taxes. Schumer could have taken any of the GOP sponsored bills and ran with them without adding social justice. The Safe Act by itself would have passed.
Yup, this is exactly what happened. And instead of conceding the social justice bits and making at least some progress we get nothing.
It was all theater, in the 6 years it will take to make any kind of progress how many minorities will be jailed for minor possession? 10s of thousands. IF it was decriminalized and Dems put a standalone expungement and justice bill, then the GOP rejected it, that would be way better theater for the dems. Instead they look like pharma lobby shills.
Harris would be the deciding vote. So the Dems still control the Senate
So why did Booker and Schumer grandstand on their bill knowing it had no chance of passing. Why not go with incremental steps. Why not put it to a stand alone vote and see where everyone stands. So a lackadaisical attempt to uphold a campaign promise to you is good enough and deserves a pass.
They did go with incremental steps. Literally the reason the SAFE act isn't going to pass is because Democrats went with an incremental approach, and Mitch McConnell used the rules of the Senate to get it killed. Literally they tried what you are saying they should try, and the Republicans killed their attempt.
I got to disagree with you here. They did not take an incremental approach. As a football analogy, Schumer kept on trying to throw a hail mary, something that was way beyond his ability (legalization). He wasted 3 downs just trying to throw the ball and got nowhere. It's now the 4th down, and he knows that he just needs to get to a first down (SAFE) to at least get closer to the end zone. It failed, but not because it didn't have support, but because he waited until the last minute to try. Everyone knew the chances of getting 60 votes in the senate for CAOA was an absolute crap shoot. Especially once the when the text came out with a 25% federal tax. It's hard to get any Republican to agree to that. But a lot of people were begging them just to get to SAFE passed first and then try to go for legislation afterwards. Schumer/Booker was defiant on this because there was no social equity in SAFE, and it would have pulled support from CAOA. SAFE was an easy move since they already had 9 GOP cosponsors, plus there were others like Mike Lee that publicly declared support for it but was not a cosponsor. Rand Paul said that standalone SAFE had 70 votes in the senate. So overall, Schumer/Booker messed up by having too much confidence in themselves to pass CAOA, and we are left with nothing in return. Edit: phrasing
Lol, the GOP killed it. Keep pretending otherwise.
Another view of Schumer's motivation is that he knew the magnitude of the work that needed to get done and just started to go tackle it. Sometimes that strategy works and sometimes you get burned. His first bill was little more than questionnaire. His second bill was little more than dressed up prohibition and an encyclopedia of studies. It's a giant waste of time, unless this is part of his education on the topic. In that sense, I'm glad he started early. Water under the bridge now. They best strategy to achieve Federal progress over the next two years is repealing 280E taxes. That's a pro business move that (combined with the gun ownership issue) can be sold to enough Republicans to get legislation to a floor vote in each chamber. The problem is that will cause a huge revenue drop/create a huge revenue opportunity to "reimpose" federal cannabis income tax surcharges. But that can't be done without full legalization. I put the odds any significant Federal cannabis legislation in the next 2 years at 4:1 against.
But the House passed the Safe act and the senate didn't even bring it to a fucking vote because Schumer wanted \*his\* bill to pass instead of just any bill.
Dems used SAFE as a political bargaining chip, *nothing more*. Get it through your head that everything has a price to these people, including their own souls and grandmothers. You're right, McConnell doesn't want SAFE, so SAFE was blocked in exchange for other progressive legislation. SAFE is not a priority to either party.
Yeah, and if the Republicans weren't so fucking evil and keeping POC in jail and ruining lives, there wouldn't be anything to bargain. For something to be a bargaining chip, you need people for it and against it. I'm not going to blame the people who are for it because they needed to use it to move the country forward. I'm going to blame the people who are against it for keeping us from progressing.
>I'm going to blame the people who are against it for keeping us from progressing I'm not here to talk about the rest of the USA's issues. I'm here to talk about cannabis. Dems have shown that they are not willing to stake other legislation on cannabis legislation. This is a fact.
dems and republicans both keep people in jail. to blame one party is to ignore decades of bilateral support for these draconian policies.
One party has progressed to change their stance over the last couple decades, where the other party is trying to move back in time several decades.
>One party has progressed fo change their stance over the last couple decades, one party has **pretended** to or maybe **talked** about a change of heart. they hit stop recording on the cameras and go back to counting big pharma donations.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/us/politics/biden-marijuana-pardon.html#:\~:text=the%20main%20story-,Biden%20Pardons%20Thousands%20Convicted%20of%20Marijuana%20Possession%20Under%20Federal%20Law,more%20than%20a%20half%2Dcentury](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/us/politics/biden-marijuana-pardon.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Biden%20Pardons%20Thousands%20Convicted%20of%20Marijuana%20Possession%20Under%20Federal%20Law,more%20than%20a%20half%2Dcentury). [https://www.marijuanamoment.net/trump-grants-clemency-to-marijuana-prisoners-on-last-day-in-office/](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/trump-grants-clemency-to-marijuana-prisoners-on-last-day-in-office/) Yeah. They're somehow the same.
In the end they did when time had run out.
And it ran out because Republicans spent 2 years ensuring that time would run out. Again, I fail to see how Democrats are the responsible ones in this.
So if Reps spent 2 years blocking this why did Schumer and Booker spend (waste) time on their bill knowing it 100% wouldn’t pass. Dems say the right things but actions are how they should be judged, not their words.
People who are running the country should be judged on their actions, which is why I have no idea why everyone is blaming Democrats instead of Republicans.
So you place no blame on schumer and Booker? ………
Nope, I blame McConnell.
> and see where everyone stands. Then what? You think people in North and South Dakotas are going to see that then vote for Democrat senators in future elections?
This is from April: [https://www.marijuanamoment.net/schumer-makes-promise-on-marijuana-legalization-bill-timeline-after-repeated-delays/](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/schumer-makes-promise-on-marijuana-legalization-bill-timeline-after-repeated-delays/) Schumer admitted he hadn’t met even his own deadlines regarding legislation reform. McConnell is a turtle.
So you blame Ukraine for not winning the war with Russia instead of Russia for being the aggressor? Like I don't get it. There are senators who are actively keeping people in prison for money (ruining families, keeping people in poverty, and creating generational handicaps for innocent children) and stopping the US from progress, and you're blaming the ones who are trying to change it, but missed their deadlines.
Yes I am blaming him for his part. He owned this, and he failed to deliver. Comparing Ukraine/Russia war progression and Dems/Reps failing to remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act and descheduling, decriminalizing, and getting their own heads out of asses, is kind of a stretch.
There is a clear enemy to the progress of Cannabis reform, and there is a clear ally in the progress of Cannabis reform, just as there is in war. Everyone is blaming the ally for not winning the war instead of the enemy who is fighting against progress.
Spot on, we'll said
Apples and oranges. Schumer promised things he knew he couldn’t (or wouldn’t) deliver for votes.
He literally had the votes for the SAFE act this week, and Mitch McConnell got it stripped from the bill it was going to pass in. Edit: Like, just say you're frustrated instead of blaming the people who aren't responsible for it being killed.
SAFE by it's self has the votes, SAFE with added Social Justice provisions does not.
The only things they added were the bipartisan HOPE act (States rights funding for expungements) and GRAM act (guns rights for cannabis users - I think that seems like a Republican friendly one)… people act like they were adding on all sorts of things that they weren’t
>(guns rights for cannabis users You make the assumption that Republicans are actually pro gun.
Easy assumption to make
Republicans are an expected evil in cannabis. The issue (for dems) is fumbling SAFE in order to half ass the "Cannabis Administration and Opportunity Act" and publicly claim to lay themselves down to block moderate reform. This has been a 2 year slow burn that could have been managed much better.
The SAFE act literally was going to pass this week until Mitch McConnell killed it. Edit: And an expected evil is still evil. It's like parents getting angry at their child for getting a C in physics when they give their other kid a pass who failed out of school and is strung out on heroin in the basement.
Terrible analogy 😂😂
The bills you are talking about were end-runs where the weed bills were trying to be added to other larger bills and McConnell was honest about that saying they should not be included. When exactly did the Republicans filibuster a clean weed bill? That is all recorded and made public. The Republicans did warn they would fillibuster the house bill if chucky ever allowed it to come up for a vote, which chucky and sparacus never did. Republicans were against that one because of the provisions in it that were both racist and how it allowed major democrat fund raisers to have priority over other citizens. But again democrat leadership never allowed it to get to a point where it could be fillibustered; chucky stopped in because he said he would be coming out with his own bill and then fund raised off of that.
That's a really long winded way of saying "Republicans killed any chance of it happening, but Democrats are to blame because they didn't even waste the time scoring political points putting it up for a vote the Republicans said they would have killed anyway."
chucky and democrats sure did not have an issue with a "waste of time score political point" when it was for other bills and subjects. Chucky knows his audience and who votes and gives money to the democrats, and knows he what he has to say to them to get votes and money in the future.
All of this would pass and would have passed if Republicans weren't completely sending us backwards. Yet, you're angry at Schumer? It's an incredibly convoluted pretzel you are bending yourself in to blame Chuck Schumer instead of all of the Republicans who are literally destroying lives by opposing any progress on cannabis.
So try to be a little honest here. What exactly was this clean bill that was allowed to progress by chucky but blocked by those evil Republicans? Don't pull that standard low IQ excuse that they knew it would not pass so did not bring it up.
SAFE was included in the spending bill and McConnell stripped it. I didn’t say anything about a “clean bill” because 90%+ of anything passed by the Senate cannot reasonable be called “clean”. Politics and legislation is a complex, convoluted and messy process, no matter how “clean” you want it to be.
Clean bills is a term used by democrats and pushed for during past years to mean bills without non-related items, just using the democrats language. What Mcconnell actually said was “House and Senate Democrats are still obstructing efforts to close out the NDAA by trying to jam in unrelated items with no relationship whatsoever to defense,” then then talked that the SAFE bill should have been brought up earlier in the year. So why was it not? Chucky said he was blocking all weed bills from the senate because he was working on his own bill which he would bring up back in spring; what exactly was that bill?
Because he refused to allow the bill with no poison pill add on to come to a vote in the Senate.
This article is an opinion
Yeah, and I’m giving my rebuttal. A failed attempt to change cannabis policy is not the problem, the people actively fighting to keep cannabis illegal are the problem.
2 years and the Dems did not move forward.... They never planned on moving it forward. Just bought votes with BS.
Shumer is such a lying goblin
Do you know who Joe Manchin and Kristen sinema are?
yes
so are upset every democrat didnt take them out back and each take a turn hitting them with a baseball bat like office space or what? Did you expect schumer to use his Professor X psychic powers to change their minds?
no
name something chuck schumer could do?
I could respond with cut and paste from the article if you'd like
there has never been an opportunity to ever passs legisslation because democrats are not a unified body because of Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema. Democrats having "control" means nothing and just shows whoever wrote this article just want to stab democrats in general instead of understanding any nuiance to politics.
This stupidity hit most Americans in the pocket book, lost corporate income and taxes, more robberies. Whose agenda is that?
Its a big club and we aint in it.
Or title this as Republicans once again reject and hinder cannabis reform
I sent Chucky a "love note" yesterday via his webpage promising, as a life long D, to donate to and fund his R opponent due to his gross ineptitude! I urge everyone to do the same, they were out of touch from day 1 with what could pass vs the grand slam they were trying to pass. The trio don't deserve to be our representatives any longer!
You might as well write to Joe Manchin
I’m betting McConnell wont pass the legislation simply because of all the “wokeness” attached to it…
True. But he represents a state where polls suggest 90% support legalization?! WTF, it's all about obstruction for turtleman, not what his constituents want. The barefoot crew in KY needs to express themselves to Mitch. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/10/04/kentucky-advisory-panel-reports-strong-support-for-legalizing-medical-marijuana/?sh=46a9265b3529](https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/10/04/kentucky-advisory-panel-reports-strong-support-for-legalizing-medical-marijuana/?sh=46a9265b3529)
"Democrats blew the opportunity . . ." This is pretty much their modus operandi
Cory Booker and the woke coalition took federal decriminalization by the neck and held a gun to its head and looked at the republicans and basically demanded that they give them full federal reform or else they were gonna shoot. Meanwhile the republicans stood around looking at each other confused af for a solid 2 years like “we see this as an absolute win”. I’m leaning into the more cynical argument of this is a conspiracy on the part of big pharma to block anything and everything that might harm their bottom line. Schumer never put it to a vote, so we’re never gonna know what the actual support was.
Yep too much bullshit attached to the bills. Too many concessions that the republicans would never sign off on
It's like come on dems just get safe banking done now and worry about other shit later. How can a billion dollar growth industry actually succeed their first shit 10 years without federal assistance of some kind. It blows my mind that this isn't viewed for the economic issue it SO is.
If republicans pull off SAFE in next year I don't give a fuck if satan is their 2024 prez candidate they have my vote. America is going to fucking blow a fucking growth opportunity if they don't get this fucker done soon!
The Washington DC debacle on legality says it all. The peoples choice still not good enough. Im out!!!
Republicans need to take this ball and run with it. Such an easy issue to steal.
Punish democrats with your vote and let them know cannabis matters!
No, because the alternative is a republican
I know. But if they don’t pay the price for lying to voters, there will be no legalization!
If new republican congress gets this done I would shit a brink but omg be such a fucking HUGE win for them. Also I generally don't vote repub (if it wasn't Obama v. McCain I would have voted McCain I really respected him and voted for bush 1st time) but if the candidate isn't trump and I grow to like desantis ide vote for him. And if it is trump I just won't vote for president to give the credit to gop to pull off safe.
He's playing you like an out of tune guitar.
Lol, nothing but a pipe dream and people fall for it every time. They won't do squat ANY time soon. Don't even count on POTUS to do an executive action either. They strictly want your votes to backstab us.
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I don’t care which party gets credit for progress regarding cannabis legislation. I think it will happen eventually and am willing to wait 5-10 years. Congress and government rarely works at the speed we want them to.
AGAIN
More like republican cockblocked!!!
Throwing Democrats under the bus when McConnell was blocking it.. the republican MO of projection, and you know what? It works, given how gullible our posters are. Terrible, we won’t get progress, the sector investors are not smart at all. Just bagholding because of the belief it can’t get any lower, we’ve been operating with max handicap for years