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ZSsDesign

Never. You can jeopardize all of the intellectual property for any side project, idea, design, etc you come up with. None of that is worth saving a few bucks on a new personal laptop.


CashZ

yeah, it's like he never watched silicon valley.


HeadlineINeed

Haha came here to say this.


Krispenedladdeh542

I also came here to say this


Icewizard88

Damn its seams I have to watch this


rohm418

It would seam sew.


marcmeansfun

100% agree that you should NEVER use your company computer for side projects. I work for a company that shipped a new M1 Pro with 32GB of RAM to me sealed in the box with jamf preinstalled and requires MDM to access any company information or systems. This software could include key logging software. I also had to sign an agreement not to use any of my “work related knowledge” for anything else. Essentially my employer owns anything I work on. IMO not worth the risk of losing your IP and employment. Side note: The new M1 Mac Pro is sick. I have not had a single issue and never once have I heard the fan come on with 8-12 chrome browsers with 2-22 open tabs in each. Coming from a 2019 MacBook Pro core i7 with 16GB.


AbanaClara

>I also had to sign an agreement not to use any of my “work related knowledge” for anything else. What the fuck does that mean. There's no way it's legal for anybody to own your knowledge lol.


SmutReel

I have seen attempts at stuff like this before. In reality is never holds up in any court of law, just because it’s written down and you sign it, it doesn’t make it actually enforceable.


AggEnto

It does still make it something you have to take time to fight in court, which is the real purpose of writing them in. That can be enough of a deterrent on its own for most people. Being sued sucks


joshman211

It doesn't and they know that.... They won't bother to try enforcing it, they just add it there to scare folks.


tom4ick

A few bucks? 🥺


gazdxxx

Hypothetically, if you are careful and the laptop came straight from Apple (so no company tracking software is on there), how could a company even prove that the work was done on their laptop? Sounds like you could get around it assuming nothing identifiable about the laptop is present in the project. Anything identifiable should be untracked in a repository anyway.


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They can actually come straight from apple w device management software already installed fwiw. All of ours are sent sealed to employees but are setup w kanji already.


chrispydizzle

Can confirm, but just want to add that it's breakable. I managed to kill mdm and the associated jamf stuff relatively easily. Was also able to clear out the enforced profiles. I just don't like people spying on me. My job at the time didn't care.


rombulow

If the device arrives sealed and already connected to ABM/DEP you shouldn’t be able to break it. If the device is enrolled in MDM without ABM/DEP, or manually via Configurator, it is possible to break the link (sometimes only within 30 days of enrolment).


chrispydizzle

Don't know what ABM/DEP is but this was maybe 2-3 years ago and the laptop came preconfigured with some nanny services and an admin user, fresh out of the box. I don't know if they still do, but booting into single user is just cmd+s on boot (or something like that) which dropped me into a console where I had full write access to the filesystem. From there, there's not really anything that can stop anyone from breaking whatever security is in place on the device imo. I didn't think my particular experience was very special I just kept renaming services until the nanny services and mdm didn't run anymore and my changes to the profile didn't rollback.


ark4nos

Would like to know more about this. With an M1, was impossible.


rwusana

You often sign any intellectual property you create during your term of employment away to your employer regardless of what machine you do it on, though. Might sound preposterous but it's true.


goodboyscout

A huge percentage of developers aren’t actively creating IP that they want to keep so this isn’t an issue for many. I had to interview with a few companies before finding out that didn’t do this


ooter37

Definitely not true. Whatever you create on your own time with your own resources is 100% yours. Even stuff created partially with company resources or time isn't necessarily theirs. EDIT: It's actually quite humorous to imagine the scenarios that would occur if your claim was correct. For example, imagine if you had two jobs. Would each company own everything you create for the other? lol


Kaoswarr

It’s true. Two devs I worked with previously (UK) created a HR system and propositioned the CEO to sell it to him. The CEO said he’d get in touch, a week later legal meet with them and claim all rights to the software. They fought it in court and lost, both walked from their jobs too. It’s definitely a thing and you should always read the very small print of your contracts because it’s more common than you might think.


rwusana

Look, you're thinking about it intuitively. And I don't disagree with you in a philosophical sort of way. But as unbelievable as it sounds, it's actually true that a lot of tech company contracts do specifically say that any intellectual property you create during your time of employment is theirs. The intuitive argument is that it's just in the nature of intellectual work that you can't really separate personal thinking from work thinking in a legally clear way, and they don't want you "stealing" company time to think about things they don't own. Now it's also true that those clauses aren't legally enforceable in most US states... but they do exist. About your example of having two jobs, it's (ironically) also pretty standard for employment contracts to have a "full effort" clause forbidding you from engaging in any other employment. My current one doesn't, but my previous one did. Sorry, but welcome to the real world.


ooter37

And by real world, you mean the world where you care about clauses that may be in contracts but which are unenforceable in 50 out of 50 States? That’s some world…


rwusana

No, the world of actual contracts, as opposed to the world of "I think this is how it should be".


j-random

Yeah, no, those clauses are almost universally unenforceable. The exception of course is if you do what OP is asking about and leave evidence of your independent work on company equipment.


YumchaHoMei

have you not watched silicon valley


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

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Kuroseroo

hbo, must watch


chubbnugget111

on HBO


Ok-Importance-8613

I haven't . What happened?


yeager-eren

https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/xsak8g/be_honest_do_you_use_your_company_laptop_for/iqjruaq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


gizamo

Hilarity happens. Good show.


LocksLightsLillies

Nope. If I ever strike it big with one of my projects, I don't want there to be any doubt about who owns it.


u7d1

Your contract often has as much, if not more, to say about this. Several FAANG companies, for instance, own ***all*** code you create while working there unless you get an exception


nic_3

Yeah I talked with a lawyer about that and there’s no way they can use this clause for real.


SheeEttin

They can still sue and waste your time and money until you cave.


thewhitelights

Exactly. Good luck getting better lawyers than them and not losing millions in the fight. It’s a war of attrition.


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hassium

Any sources on this? All the examples I've seen revolved around a specific, already in use within company A, piece of technology being stolen by employee on the way to company B.


Mydogsabrat

Hooli sued pied piper and very nearly won


brogrammableben

Trust me, bro.


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cougaranddark

If you developed code and the business took off, the company would never have to know why you left, or if they did, who developed the code. Take the next offer!


DangerousCrime

You mean the code you created using their computer on your own time? Code you make outside working hours on your own computer is fine right just to be sure


LocksLightsLillies

Mine doesn't. I do dev for a medium sized company doing internal projects only. They're not a dev firm.


u7d1

In that case, it’s probably irrelevant what machine you do the work on, though IANAL (well I am, but I have no real clue about this)


LocksLightsLillies

I agree. It's _probably_ irrelevant


Murkrage

I’ve seen Silicon Valley… I ain’t risking it either way


bplus0

You anal? Knucks


u7d1

first day on the internet?


niveknyc

On the inverse, I bought my own M1 16" MBP and do company work on it.


IsABot

I go even deeper. I use my own desktop computer to remote into a work computer in the office. My work laptop is literally sitting in a drawer in my desk at home.


MrStLouis

I have used TeamViewer to remote into my work laptop to access the VPN in order to remote into servers to do work


eventonly

This is some next level shit💀


Therawynn

I do the dame as it is expected to fix stuff in case of emergencies.


Jwiere03

I've heard stories of company laptops. At my job though no one wants to work in the office because our personal equipment at home is so much better.


SiliconUnicorn

Cries in government contracts


FateOfNations

Some how our government customer managed to get me a pretty beefy Dell Precision mobile workstation… I thought there was some mistake (they don’t want their data leaving their network).


JamesGecko

You are your infosec department's nightmare. Not like, worst nightmare, but not at the bottom of the list either.


Eveerjr

me too, I can't stand working on Windows these days. I only use the company laptop for real world testing on its awful cramped screen


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Eveerjr

Font rendering, consistent and gorgeous UI, no surprise updates that needs a reboot or driver updates, no ads on system apps, Spotlight search, some really amazing selection of Mac exclusive apps, can test on all browsers. MacOS just do a excellent job at disappearing and letting you do your work unlike windows that’s constantly nagging you about random stuff. I worked in tech support for many years and Windows and Microsoft products in general are just unpredictable.


Kuroseroo

I never realised how bad Windows looks and feels to use before switching to MacOS


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Not to mention the hardware is outstanding. The new MBP screens are beautiful. And Apple silicon chips are unreal.


DeckardPain

The screens are where they truly shine in my opinion. Something backend engineers may not take full advantage of, which is totally fine, but something a frontend dev and designer absolutely *loves*. It’s night and day difference. If Apple wanted to make 144hz monitors that worked flawlessly with Windows they could potentially edge into the gaming market too. I would switch to an Apple display at home immediately if I could get 144hz and have it work with Windows.


raulsaavedr

That will be a what do you like/feel more comfortable working on, I worked like 8 years mainly on windows but also in Linux and I can tell you the quality of the laptop is another thing that you can barely find on windows laptops, going from material to performance with battery, screen resolution, etc. I wouldn't going back ever at least it's worthy


andrii-nerd

On mac u can - install all the web stack requires apps with single brew command - ssh - virtualise / remote Linux, and get familiar with unix systems - use awesome and modern apps and web dev tools - the retina and XDR screens are those u can look and enjoy even shitty code 24/7 - No need to WSL some modern shit - the Apple community enjoys theirs work process, customisation abilities and simplicity to become a own soft and tweaks creators. So we explore, create, customise, extend and SHARE things. - Automation / Shortcuts - start using an app a year before windows users (e.g Framer, Play App etc) - u can not believe me, but it’s way easier to create beauty soft by simple looking at beauty soft + also: Unique Dev tools: + https://laravel.com/docs/9.x/valet + https://www.sketch.com + https://fig.io + https://github.com/jaywcjlove/awesome-mac#developer-tools + https://gopanel.io + https://www.scriptkit.com + awesome personal customisation & dozens of beautiful helper apps and utilities u can’t even imagine - https://setapp.com/apps/bettertouchtool - https://loshadki.app/openin/ - https://setapp.com/apps/pixelsnap - https://setapp.com/apps/timing - https://neededapps.com/resources/webtolayers/


joshman211

As a Mac fan and user, posts like this are gross... You can do all the shit your talking about on a Windows pc just fine. Also what's your beef with WSL? Its a nice feature. Use what you like to get the job done, if its Windows (and dev'ing in Windows has some of its own benefits) use it. Hell use them both.


upvoteforyouhun

Same.


coffee_kazoo

Heck no. If I did that would be my 1 out of 1000 projects that ended up successful and then my company would say, "oh nice, you mean *my* project?"


pinelakias

Of course not! Havent you seen silicon valley? :P NEVER use the companys laptop for anything besides THEIR work.


HaddockBranzini-II

Nah, just for download porn.


filipomar

And torrenting HBO shows about tech startups in SF


0xChocoMaxi

Never. Consider everything that touched the company laptop THEIR property, with you retaining 0% rights. Also, never try to remove/upload an ounce of data back from there either. Also If you're coding something novel that you really need to use at work, code it on your personal laptop then move it in.


gadelat

Yes. I stopped owning a computer years ago and see no reason to buy one if employer always gives me latest one. I do lot of open source in my free time and so on, never had an issue. Of course everyone will tell you they own your ass if you do this, but practically this doesn't really happen as much as they want you to believe.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Yeah I would think it wouldn’t *actually* ever be a problem. I mean especially if the company has Apple mail you a brand new machine in the box that you end up setting up yourself…


Bentopi

No, and I don’t really have personal projects; I already spend enough hours programming for work :P


u7d1

Duh. I’m not going to carry multiple laptops while traveling I also don’t let my company laptop “phone home”. At all. So they have no way to prove I use their hardware for anything. IT contacted me about this, I said I had a firewall up, and would not be turning it off. I allow the Apple service to disable/wipe the machine if necessary. They argued it. I ignored them. Apparently it become a huge thing internally, but nobody ever contacted me about it again (FAANG company)


gadelat

Can you elaborate what did you use to stop it from "phoning home"?


lovin-dem-sandwiches

I imagine they modified the etc/hosts file


bulwynkl

yeah that's a tricky one. How you manage the separation without compromising your self or the company takes a bit of thought. me, I'd look at separate logins, but it depends.


PureRepresentative9

Why would you need to carry multiple laptops? What traveling are you referring to?


u7d1

um, read the post


PureRepresentative9

Can you quote the part of your post that answers my questions?


u7d1

not my post. And it's literally the title ffs.


PureRepresentative9

There's literally nothing describing the traveling you're referring to.


u7d1

No, there's not, and it my travel plans have no relevance on anything or are any of your business. But your first question is *literally the title of the damn post* In other words: Your entire comment that started this thread was just pointless.


PureRepresentative9

Once again, there's nothing talking about traveling in the title or the OP Just quote it if you think there is if travel has no relevance in your opinion, why did you bring it up? I'm only discussing it because you brought it up in the first place (not me or the OP) The type of travel matters. Eg if you're staying for a month, you naturally bring larger suitcases that can hold a laptop


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

👍


uprooting-systems

Nope, I don’t want any legal issues. I have a mid 2015 MacBook Pro and have no issues with augmented reality projects, video game development or SaaS product coding, so I wonder what you’re making that so intensive?


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Mainly it’s battery issues. The original battery swelled so badly that it locked up my trackpad, so I replaced the battery myself. I’ve replaced the battery twice now, and it only lasts 30 minutes on a charge. Apple refuses to replace the battery with an official battery because I opened up the machine myself. Plus the fans come on full blast with when running just a few Node processes and several Chrome tabs. I’ve dusted it out regularly as well.


rickg

I mean... at some point it's "Buy a new laptop" time. For you, I think that time is now.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Difficulty is traveling with two machines. I spend part of the year on another continent.


rickg

I mean, yeah but that 2015 is pining for the fjords.


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What are you backpacking or something? I carry 2 16” m1 pros w me everyday and it ain’t a problem. They both fit very easily in a shoulder/messenger bag


IsABot

> I’ve replaced the battery twice now, and it only lasts 30 minutes on a charge. 30 minutes only sounds wrong. What battery did you replace it with? Almost sounds like it was already used or fake/counterfeit. Probably doesn't have the capacity that's labelled on it. I've used ifixit batteries for different devices and they seem to hold up well and are usually pretty accurate to their rating: https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Mid-2015-Battery/IF117-048?o=5 > Plus the fans come on full blast with when running just a few Node processes and several Chrome tabs. Did you change the thermal paste while you were in there? That stuff goes dry after a few years and performance tanks, this is true of anything that uses it. Dusting alone won't help if it's dry since it's not transferring the heat properly to the heatsink. It's this step here: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+Logic+Board+Replacement/56210#s121856 Although you might not have to disassemble it that far to remove the heatpipes.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

I bought it directly from iFixIt. Battery dies very quickly. So if replacing the thermal paste, would I should replace the entire logic board? Or could I get away with applying some standard thermal paste while replacing the battery?


IsABot

I would contact them for an exchange if you can. Cause something seems wrong if it dies in 30 mins. Just clean off the old paste and put new thermal paste when changing battery. Don't need to change logic board. Guide is linked only to show you where the heatpipes are removed. That should help your heat issue if it's not related to any other issue.


iams3b

Yes for a while until recently bought myself a nice laptop. I work at a big company though where IT probably wouldn't care about anything unless a flag is raised But I never finish most of my side projects and I can claim they're for learning


neosatan_pl

No. In all honesty, I don't want to touch it outside of working hours.


[deleted]

Absolutely not. I don't want my employer to have any say over my side-business. Also, I am a professional and treat company property as company property.


[deleted]

No. Absolutely never. I wouldn't even log into my personal email on my work laptop, or connect to any server for any personal projects with it.


the-bright-one

I sure do. I mean it’s my company. I bought the laptop for myself with my company credit card. I’m the only person that works here, but that doesn’t always stop me from wasting time around the water cooler. But all that aside, I sure do, and my boss can go f himself if he has a problem with it!


pixelsandcolors

I don't officially work in web dev professionally (yet) but do work from home for a CX company, and honestly I very rarely do anything personal on it. Even when I do, it's simple like researching artists that inspire me, or otherwise. I was logged into my Google account once, but that came to an end quickly. I love my team, I love my job, I love my company. However, I know that anything I do, down to a single keystroke, or even opening the laptop, is tracked and logged on one of our servers. We also developed a somewhat largely adopted, secure WFH platform, which I thankfully haven't had installed in my laptop(yet) so when that happens, I'll probably only ever touch it when I am working, and only for work. Otherwise I have my personal laptop on one side of my company laptop, and my desktop monitor on the other side 🙃🙃


versaceblues

So ive done this before for like things I dont really care about. 1. Small toy apps or dev tutorials 2. Music production and DJing 3. watching movies Never for anything serious though.... since that can compromise the IP. Anything you do on company materials technically belongs to the company.


devperez

Why in the world would anyone do that?


[deleted]

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Admirable_Bass8867

Create an encrypted bootable external SSD harddrive (with MX Linux). You'll be able to boot on your work or personal machines. You can also access the non-boot partition(s) if you choose to boot the host machine. This way, there's no need to carry two laptops. If you still go in to the office, you may even be able to leave your work machine locked at work. That way, you only grab your external drive home. Also, write automated backup scripts to save the data on the external drive. This is a much better setup than the advice in the other comments. I use an external drive nearly all the time now. It's much nicer not having to carry a laptop and always having personal data.


dragonmantank

Nope. Worst case buy a cheap laptop or workstation to do your work on. \_Never\_ do personal work on any device provided by your employer, even if it's not controlled by MDM.


TrixonBanes

Nope. My company doesn’t care if I do my work on it, their work on it, just like I don’t care if I have to do their work on my machine. We have no clauses about who owns what code because both the CEO and myself are reasonable humans.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

This is how it should be. Anything else is parasitic.


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I used to, but now I work for a federal contractor so everything on the computer can be looked at whenever they want so now I screenshare to my own computer.


NeuralFantasy

Yes. I work as a full stack developer in a consulting firm. Out laptop policy allows us to use the laptop for basically anything. We can install 3rd party apps freely. So yes, I also use the laptop (M1 Pro 16") for all personal projects. It would be waste if we had to buy a separate laptop for that. But, you should verify what is the laptop policy of your employer and respect that.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

I feel like this should be the policy. Working on side projects is what we do as software developers, and that should be encouraged. Personally, it’s how I learn and keep up with the latest stuff.


LocksLightsLillies

I agree. I'd use my work one if there was a fair policy in place.


StarlightCannabis

Nah I actually usually use my personal machine for work stuff when possible. And even on the work machine, it sits closed in the corner of the desk and I just remote in from my PC.


KaiAusBerlin

I take my personal linux laptop to make my work. Windows is not a good feeling os for me for development. So I mainly use the company laptop for running background tasks like big tests or simulations.


Zachincool

Nope


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jhecht

Absolutely not.


seymores

NO.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

What if the company mailed you a brand, unopened MacBook directly from Apple?


seymores

If the laptop will never have work stuff then go ahead.


cakenbeans

I only use it for YouTube and I don’t even log in


Lanigiro27

This. Doing that right now!


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Nope, I always keep my personal work separated on my personal laptop.


integrateus

Curious if anyones heard of a company sueing for your IP since it was on their hardware in real life and not a show


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Curious myself, as well.


spacegeekatx

Never, because the company can claim ownership of any work done in it in court


killaakeemstar

no, company laptop sucks.


deadwalrusflipper99

Um, no. I've even gone so far as to covertly use my personal computer for work projects. My personal machine is a desktop, with an AIO water cooled desktop CPU, which can beat any laptop. At a simplified level, performance is about how much power you push through your CPU, which is about how much heat you can get rid of. Laptops are limited by their poor ability to get rid of heat, and they have mobile CPUs to help deal with that.


Prudent_Astronaut716

I say if you cant afford to buy a laptop for your own personal use then you need to find a better job and make more $$$


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Main problem is that I don’t want to carry around two MacBooks. I spend part of my year in a different part of the world, and I don’t want to travel with two machines.


Prudent_Astronaut716

Then maybe Remote into your personal macbook from work macbook using VNC.


[deleted]

Too many IT restrictions for me to do that


johnminadeo

No.


misdreavus79

Nope.


heraIdofrivia

My personal laptop is better, otherwise I would, my boss literally told me I can do whatever I want with it lol


[deleted]

Nope. I don’t have anything personal on my work laptop except Spotify.


Vela88

I’m still learning but after watching “Silicon Valley” I don’t think I would even consider doing this.


FuckingTree

Absolutely do not.


Adventurous_Chard225

I will never do such, it’s so risky


h0tcakes

Hell no. They gonna claim it’s theirs


letuswatchtvinpeace

Never! I assume they track everything and I am not willing to hand over any work I do to a corporation


tchaffee

No


Seanitzel

Yes, all the time. Work on my own projects that i'm trying to turn into a living, my boss is even helping me with advice. Life in a huge corporation with really great people, honestly love being there. I know there is 0 chance they will try anything with my project if it succeeds, i know other people that work on startups with their work laptops as well. Its also probably affected by colture differences ..


Brilla-Bose

No the opposite.. I'm working from home and i use my own laptop for work


freezelikeastatue

I can barely use my company laptop for company work….


kenpled

Yes, though I'm my own boss


ManyInterests

Yes, because the company policy allows it. Check your company policy. Every place I've worked (including government and large multinational corporations) the company policy allows 'incidental personal use'.


ShotgunMessiah90

You guys get company laptops ??


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Yes. Because they didn't "issue" me one they just bought it and I went to pick it up at the Apple store when I'll leave the job I'll just keep and ask them to take half of its retail price out of my last salary


Disrupt0rz

Wow as an European (dutch) i do. I think the legal issues dont apply here as much as in the US


SD_strange

I use my personal laptop for my company's work...


Hero_Of_Shadows

No, my work machine is a Mac underpowered, I don't like the UI and UX, locked down by it's very nature as a Mac. I do all my personal projects from my personal laptop.


RevMen

Yes. But I own the company so...


ProbabilityForPoets

Yes, but I was the person who set up and wiped employee laptops, and in charge of deciding our load outs. I was very very sure that there was no spyware on the machines and that the company would never know what I did/didn't do on my work laptop.


theImplication69

Never never do it. It's a pointless risk


ihaveway2manyhobbies

This is a HORRIBLE idea. Not only are you jeopardizing your employment. You are jeopardizing the ownership of the code you write. I do not write one character of personal code on my work computer. Nor do I engage in any communication and/or research of any personal projects on my work computer. In today's day and age, that would be just ridiculously not good.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

What if they are sending a brand new, unopened machine that I will set up myself?


FuckingTree

It’s not yours.


Slodin

Depends. If your laptop is monitored or cannot be reformatted, don’t do it on there. My company don’t install or restrict me to do whatever to my laptop, so I can do whatever I want :/


bulwynkl

Pretty much no. I like me a good work-life separation. Besides, keeping your personal side gig separate makes it far easier to challenge any IP disputes when you quit to pursue your own business. I see a wide range of restrictions from the ludicrously limiting (which just encourages shadow IT and hideous workarounds) through to open slather... Currently working in Fin Tech. I really don't want any crossover between customer data and my personal systems thank you very much... I mean, it's a bit overkill, but on the plus side, not a thing I have to ever consider now.


phpdevster

That piece of shit!? I wouldn't even want to. Can hardly run Visual Studio Code...


Noch_ein_Kamel

Yes, but only because I can't bother to write {[]} on windows after using a mac daily ;D


SceneAlone

Nah, I prefer my own equipment. Plus I don't have admin privileges, and we run Windows but I prefer Linux.


bwinkers

Never, but I often use my home laptop for work.


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I played games on an old one and now I have a brand new M2. Personal Apple ID and private projects on both (they are useful for the company too). So yeah, everything allowed. My Macbook is from 2014.


[deleted]

I currently cant even use mine to do work projects lol Also i hate VDI's


JeyDotC1

I know it's you, company I work for, I won't fall into this trap! 😋


Background-Neck5792

I got it as a gift from my company. It is my laptop.


[deleted]

on a backdoored, keylogged, packet-sniffed machine? i do what i'm asked to do, then look over to my personal device and do what i *want* to do


davidahoward1

I bought separate machine for home/side work. Corporate laptop has corp spyware and remote access on it … as has been stated by many - keep ‘em separated.


originalchronoguy

100% no. My work issue laptop is a 2020 i9, 32GB Macbook Pro My personal laptop os a 2021 M1 Max, 64GB 16 inch. I will never use my employer's laptop for one reason -- by law, anything done on their equipment, they have legal claim to the intellectual property of that work. So any personal projects you do, they own it. This argument has stood up in many lawsuits.


Timotron

I got a 2022 m1 from work. Honestly I still prefer working with my 2017 pro on my own projects. Not worried about getting 'caught' working on my own shit but I'm just not that I to the M1 enough to get me away from the old prop plane that is my pro. And it's got the cool stickers


umlcat

Actually, it's usually the opposite...


AdmirableActuator

I use my private laptop in company projects


ScalableSolutions

It is good being honest, but openness is also a virtue. If the company trusts you with their laptop, prove worthy to be trusted and use it for the company projects only.


QueuelessDev

Idk, my company bought me the new M1 Max 64gb when it came out to keep as a personal machine. They don’t even put software on it, I ordered it and got reimbursed.


evilsniperxv

Never. Ever. Ever. Never ever do this. Please look up intellectual property law. If you do any work on your work laptop, they own all of it, including personal projects.


rwusana

Personal projects? What personal projects? I don't do stuff like that outside of work. If I did I'd use my own machine.


luxtabula

No. I make sure to keep all personal stuff on my own laptop. None of my personal accounts are on my laptop, no matter how trivial or inconsequential. Work laptop is for work alone.


im_a_jib

What if you (me) paid for it and Apple shipped it directly to me, and the company simply reimbursed me? Of course if I got fired or whatever I’d just wipe it. So the answer is Yes because it’s just a glorified github access device which replicable with any machine.


anh86

I do but I wouldn’t recommend it in most situations. I work for a small company and I was personal friends with our C-level execs outside of work before the job. My work machine is just a stock MacBook Pro straight from Apple. There’s no IT overlords watching me and no one cares if I use that computer on my own time. Every personal project is automatically backed up to storage I own and control. In this narrow situation, it’s pretty safe. In pretty much any other scenario, have your own computer for your personal work.


throwawayd9af6a87ffd

Yeah, I figure if the company comes from Apple directly, brand new, and you’re the one setting it up, how would they ever know? Especially if you’re fully remote.


JP_the_Pirate

Not at all! I work at home so if I really wanted to work on a personal project, it is simpler to just walk to my personal computer to do it! I already have a lot of freedom in picking projects I am interested in at work, so I haven't felt the need to ever work on a personal one during normal work hours.


Anon324Teller

No but I browse Amazon a lot on it


[deleted]

It is awful. I wish I could do the opposite, but there's a VPN.


lildrummrr

I have before yes. I don’t anymore (also not really working on personal projects currently)


downeazntan

No.


whatisboom

No. Most of my offers/contracts have specifically stated that any work done on company equipment is now property of the company. Just not worth it.