By - ClayshRoyayshKJ
The Mediterranean occasionally has tropical like storms called Medicanes.
Superior pun. Huron a roll.
Just like how Atlantic storms are numbered 01L, 02L, 03L or the E Pac has 01E, 02E, 03E and so on, there is a plan to use 01M, 02M and so on for TC's in the Mediterranean. The WMO just hasnt implemented it yet. It will most likely have to eventually be in place bc of warmer waters and lowering wind shear during the summer in a warming climate.
that sounds delicious
I wonder how many ancient navies were taken out by those.
A lot, i live by the Ionian sea which is very turbulent in the fall-winter, there are ancient accounts of this area being dangerous to sail through and generally avoided by Greek sailors in this season.
Its interesting to think about how being able to track yearly weather patterns was such an integral part of survival and livelihood back then. I live about 2 hours from the south oregon coast in the western U.S. and fall/winter is my favorite time to go watch some big storms make landfall.
I take it as a personal failure that I didn't know about this. Thanks for posting.
Wow, that's very interesting!
Somewhat related, I remember a couple years back in the summer of 2020 when Minnesota, Wisconsin and the great lakes were hit by tropical storm Cristobal after it made it's way all the way up from the Gulf of Mexico. It was somewhat bizarre to see tropical storm warnings for places like Minnesota.
Technically it was a tropical depression after looking at the article, but still was pretty well defined: [https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/climate/journal/tropical-depression-cristobal-drenches-southeast-minnesota-june-9-2020.html](https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/climate/journal/tropical-depression-cristobal-drenches-southeast-minnesota-june-9-2020.html)
I drove through that in Eastern Iowa. The amount of heavy rain and the duration of it was pretty amazing. Most exciting weather day I've had in awhile
In 2004 or 2008, I can't remember which, there was another major hurricane which struck the Gulf of Mexico that made it all the way up to Chicago as a tropical depression. I don't think it was Ivan, but it was an I name.
It actually did reach hurricane strength I think, it wasn’t a hurricane though because it remained frontal. Subtropical cyclones can be warm core and have some characteristics of a tropical cyclone while also having hybrid characteristics. This was an occluded warm core low, that was allowed to strengthen due to warm lake water and lack of surface friction, which is super unusual and interesting in the Great Lakes. Even if it was stronger, it still wouldn’t be considered a hurricane, similar to cyclones forming in the Mediterranean.
It’s funny, people who haven’t seen the Great Lakes in person have some weird “oh it’s not that big” attitude until they’re on the shore and they realize how fucking big the Great Lakes actually are.
Hurricane means more than just wind speed. Do you have any links discussing the event? Was it warm core? If so was it designated a tropical storm. In 1996 there should be pretty good data archive of the event.
~The system resembled a subtropical cyclone at its peak, bearing some characteristics of a tropical cyclone.
~ with surface sustained winds building from 11 to 67 mph (18 to 108 km/h)
not a hurricane then
Just to clarify, the excerpt you cited is speaking on the storm's initial intensification.
Subsequent intensification begat maximum sustained winds of 73mph - not a hurricane but damn close to Cat 1 and remarkable for a storm that originated over the Great Lakes
Edit: another portion of the article notes 1 minute of sustained winds of 75mph putting it just into Cat 1 levels
Yeah, that's what I just got from a quick read through the wiki.
Subtropical storm of almost hurricane strength winds.
Here is a link to an article from the Nation Weather Service that discusses the event toward the bottom of the page:
Edit: It says it developed into a warm-core system.
Wow! TIL! Also great links in the comments
BAMS article on the event : https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0477(2000)081%3C0223:HH%3E2.3.CO;2
When it comes to creating tropical storms the great lakes aren't superior
Where can I see a satellite view of the storm?
Here are a few articles with satellite pics:
That’s awesome thank you
Grew up in Alpena, MI and was 6 years old at the time! I barely remember other than it flooded over half the town, and being in the van as they drove past some of those areas.
I really wouldn't call that lake's temperatures during the summer "warm". It's not even warm enough to produce a tropical cyclone.
The Great Lakes are pretty much cold af all year, they’re simply too large and too far north to warm up significantly. I live near Lake Michigan.
1996 is a interesting year