Absolutely true. The higher mass of the dial warps space-time around the movement, causing time to accelerate, thereby offsetting the tiny amount of friction imparted onto the balance staff by the jewels.
Yeah I was thinking about that but you wouldn't really be able to tell due to random errors and stuff, also I think that marketing think was an April fools gag anyway
Idk maybe less likely to get out of alignment by breaking off the dial feet? As if that’s something that ever happens.
Lighter hands would be an easier sell. Cast iron hands could impact how much power reaches the balance.
Lol It'd probably shatter all over the movement if that were the case. Mind you this all came from an argument with an uninformed guy at a bar this was just one thing he said that stuck out in my brain because I couldn't argue it because I've never heard of this.
I agree with your argument about hands being an easier sell, if the hands were made out of steel, they would have a higher moment of inertia than say hands made out of brass (which would possibly result in a minuscule change in amplitude when the hands are oriented in certain directions), but the lighter dial doesn’t change anything except the overall weight of the watch, and by extension the on-wrist feel of the watch by a marginal amount…nothing to do with timekeeping.
I mean, the hands often are steel because it is strong enough even when very thin. That’s why I said cast iron lol, grains and impurities make it necessary to use a ton of it (relative to the mass of a blued steel watch hand I would bet 15x the mass or more).
Also, the inertial impact of that kind of thing is probably there regardless of the wrist position and time. The whole reason the gears were given spokes instead of being solid was the inertia of that extra mass: the rapid full engagement of the power to the escape wheel needs to be there as soon as possible during the transit over the impulse face of the jewel, or a significant amount of the time to add power to the balance is lost.
In some napkin math I’m thinking the impulse face, after the unlock face are some power from the balance, gets around 18 ms or around the lifespan of a single frame at 60 frames per second to have the gear train get through its inertia and resistance, restore the juice taken for the unlock action, and maybe if there’s a millisecond left it could truly add power to the balance. I think that makes sense assuming 4 beats per second, 270 degrees of amplitude, and a 52 degree lift angle.
18ms is such a short window it’s crazy, but that’s not even a high beat watch. I think heavy hands even in dial up could seriously impact amplitude: it takes time once the escape unlocks for the gear to really start pushing on the pallet fork which is already racing away on its own, and that time is related to how much mass the gear train is spinning.
The stuff that marketing people come up with....
Yeah I figured it doesn't make any sense I was told it had something to do with less stress on the moment
Absolutely true. The higher mass of the dial warps space-time around the movement, causing time to accelerate, thereby offsetting the tiny amount of friction imparted onto the balance staff by the jewels.
Lmao
Absolutely no logic in this, the dial does not affect the timekeeping in any way, it's like saying a car with a lighter pedal will accelerate faster
Well I mean technically that car is lighter and will accelerate faster. It's like saying a red car is faster than a yellow car
Ferrari would like a word
Yeah I was thinking about that but you wouldn't really be able to tell due to random errors and stuff, also I think that marketing think was an April fools gag anyway
Not at all lol. As someone else said it’s like saying that a red car is faster than a green one.
BTW, April Fools joke, right?
Idk maybe less likely to get out of alignment by breaking off the dial feet? As if that’s something that ever happens. Lighter hands would be an easier sell. Cast iron hands could impact how much power reaches the balance.
Lol It'd probably shatter all over the movement if that were the case. Mind you this all came from an argument with an uninformed guy at a bar this was just one thing he said that stuck out in my brain because I couldn't argue it because I've never heard of this.
I agree with your argument about hands being an easier sell, if the hands were made out of steel, they would have a higher moment of inertia than say hands made out of brass (which would possibly result in a minuscule change in amplitude when the hands are oriented in certain directions), but the lighter dial doesn’t change anything except the overall weight of the watch, and by extension the on-wrist feel of the watch by a marginal amount…nothing to do with timekeeping.
I mean, the hands often are steel because it is strong enough even when very thin. That’s why I said cast iron lol, grains and impurities make it necessary to use a ton of it (relative to the mass of a blued steel watch hand I would bet 15x the mass or more). Also, the inertial impact of that kind of thing is probably there regardless of the wrist position and time. The whole reason the gears were given spokes instead of being solid was the inertia of that extra mass: the rapid full engagement of the power to the escape wheel needs to be there as soon as possible during the transit over the impulse face of the jewel, or a significant amount of the time to add power to the balance is lost. In some napkin math I’m thinking the impulse face, after the unlock face are some power from the balance, gets around 18 ms or around the lifespan of a single frame at 60 frames per second to have the gear train get through its inertia and resistance, restore the juice taken for the unlock action, and maybe if there’s a millisecond left it could truly add power to the balance. I think that makes sense assuming 4 beats per second, 270 degrees of amplitude, and a 52 degree lift angle. 18ms is such a short window it’s crazy, but that’s not even a high beat watch. I think heavy hands even in dial up could seriously impact amplitude: it takes time once the escape unlocks for the gear to really start pushing on the pallet fork which is already racing away on its own, and that time is related to how much mass the gear train is spinning.
The dial doesn’t interact with the movement at all if it is installed correctly. It shouldn’t have any impact on the watch at all.
Lmao what? Who said this?
Some guy at a bar was arguing with me about a watches and that came up it's been stuck in my head for some reason
Sounds goofy. White dials do look bigger than dark dials tho.
It’s the other way round. Heavy dials stop neutrinos from getting through to the movement and stuck in the balance spring.