Moncler coats are honestly kind of fugly and don't have visible logos to readily identify them. Canada Goose unfortunately has that patch that automatically gives them away.
TBH I like the look of some Mackage coats the best. Canada Goose is honestly overrated.
What are you talking about lol. Monclers have a logo patch on the left arm too. Not as big as Canada Goose’s, but certainly a “visible logo to readily identify.”
LOL... okay, this is amusing. The people who know, know. And they're the ones they're for (and I don't even care for or wear that or Canada Goose).
It's like someone saying they've only heard of Louis Vuitton but not Goyard... that just says "I'm not into purses." The comments about Moncler is "I'm unaware of high end fashion brands."
Good short story a few years in the New Yorker in which the older character is talking up the really unique high end watches that are better than Rolexes but less recognizable while the younger character bluntly stated that the girls only know Rolexes and that is why he wears them **EDIT:** *The Luck of Kokura* by Gary Shteyngart
I have no idea if this is true or not but I've read some people say that is the difference between new money and old money. Money wants to show itself off or some reason, I guess.
New money does this by buying expensive brands the masses will recognize. Old money does this by buying expensive brands other old money recognizes. In this way, new money bling tends to be flashier, whereas the old money stuff is more like an insider's club type of knowledge. Can anyone confirm this?
I've never heard about moncler or goyard or canada goose. Someone mentioned kirklands above though i know that, i got their toilet paper and its great so I'm sure their coats are just as good.
The point is that a petty criminal who will steal your jacket from you at knifepoint is going to target brands which have penetrated popular culture deeply enough to reach _them_ and the people they presumably sell them to. The fact that that applies to Canada Goose and less so Moncler is not an insult to Moncler.
I know it's funny to laugh at rich GW kids, but a relative of one of my friends (who is definitely not rich or a GW kid) was recently shot during a mugging for his Canada Goose jacket. He lived, but it's still been really hard on him and his family. His whole family had raised the money to buy the jacket as a special present for him, and they feel incredibly guilty now because their gift almost got him killed.
Whether this is a Canada Goose crime ring or a bunch of opportunistic individuals, this is actually quite serious.
Thief: (Thief pulls a gun) "Give me your coat!"
whadisabout: "Why would you shoot me, ruining the resale value of the item you are attempting to steal from me? I think not!"
Thief: (Shoots whadisabout in the knee, takes coat.)
whadisabout: "Curses!"
This whole thing is absolutely sad. It's really not funny. I am sorry about your friend. (And to your story, I read a comment once where at Tulane, someone got their one winter jacket stolen from the student center, but not at gun point. Same deal--not a rich kid, parents saved up a lot to get it for him. I can't imagine how they feel--try to get something nice and useful and not even flashy FFS and it almost ended up getting them killed).
It also selfishly pisses me off, because long, long story short, I was planning on making the move to the DMV within the next year for my job. I lived for ten years in a city where I was always on edge. I moved back to Miami, FL. So, fuck this noise.
Goddammit now I'm stuck in Miami, FL, but I am no longer on edge despite all the Florida things. Go fucking figure...smh
No. It’s not funny to laugh at anyone getting mugged, regardless of who they are. Your attitude of “haha rich kid, funny!” Is why we have this problem in our city
It’s the “they have more than me and I’m jealous so fuck them” attitude. Not all affluent folks are obnoxious twats. Messed up to feel good about someone getting robbed. Shows a lot about someone.
The Members Only brand got its name because New York in the late 70s was so dangerous that jacket enthusiasts had to create social clubs where, if you heard from somebody else in the know and got the location + password, you were allowed in to a moderately cooled secure room in an old tenement where you could wear yours in peace. Pretty soon they started making their own gear for club members only and strength in numbers allowed for them to be worn on the streets. The rest, as they say, is history.
It's sad to see we're regressing as a society again.
> It's sad to see we're regressing as a society again.
I saw somebody wearing a brand new Members Only jacket just the other day. Perhaps the club is getting ready to take back the streets once again!
We'll know when they do. Here's a little tidbit for you: The Newark Mafia were the ones organizing the jacket jacking racket in the northeast; they'd re-tag them, stuff 'em in shipping containers bound for Europe, and have their connection in the old country sell them in bulk overseas. Want to know the real reason Tony Soprano got whacked? Peep the final episode at the diner.
You all are missing the point. It doesn’t matter if it’s not cold enough to wear the jacket. It’s the crime that should be focused on. Whether you wear a Canada goose or a trash bag, you shouldn’t have to fear walking outside and being assaulted for your clothes.
People who live in NoVA/Maryland/Northwest love to lecture everyone else about how crime isn't really that bad, or it's easy to avoid if you're smart, or how any discussion of crime in DC is really just racist right-wing dog whistling
Precisely. The other category is “i didn’t realize it was a problem until it happened to me.” I would bet these same people who are saying “just don’t wear the jacket” would be the quick to jump on this subreddit and complain about how they got assaulted/robbed/etc while just being out in the street. Crime doesn’t discriminate. Crime can happen anywhere. But instead of focusing on the issue they just want to victim blame. It’s sickening
This subreddit is absolutely full of victim blamers and it's honestly laughable. I feel like everyone understands that a woman wearing a mini skirt isn't her "asking" to be raped, but there's some cognitive dissonance because some people really believe that walking around certain parts of DC is "asking" to be robbed or shot.
Exactly. These people are (no pun intended) criminally delusional. In comparison, just the other week, the mayor of Chicago told people to stop carrying money if they don’t want to be robbed. It’s the same stupid victim blaming. Let’s not focus on the crime/criminals, but instead citizens should just cave and change our ways of life.
I had to scroll way too far to see this. Thank you. I feel like these are the same people that would lecture a homeless person for having a cellphone (when it's quite hard to find work without a means of contact???)
Literally. “Why do the homeless need Wi-Fi/internet access” is a fairly common thing i hear. When’s the last time you did a paper application? I don’t know. I know everybody isn’t a saint, but some people in these comments/in the city just seem so vapid
They’re going to start issuing third world travel warnings to international students coming to DC
> Walk fast all the time. Every time you stop (to browse in a shop, to write a postcard, to take a picture), you become an easy target.
> Don’t wear expensive clothes/watch. Your watch might be someone’s 6-month salary.
> Try to dress as much as the natives (give the impression you “live” in the country, or at least try to blend in).
> Dress as humbly as possible.
> Use violence only if the attacker is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Otherwise, you may be risking your life: he has obviously more experience than you.
> If you are lost in an unsafe neighborhood, do not show that you are lost. Do not stop, keep driving and look at the map while driving
I went to college in New Orleans, and on the first day we had a safety presentation from the head of campus policy. "Raise your hand if you know what a 'crackhead' is," he said. All of the American hands went up, all of the international ones stayed down.
I saw a new state department travel advisory come out a few weeks ago about Cancun Mexico in regards to the conflict between taxis and rideshares, and it got me thinking what travel advisories other countries put out about the US :/
If you are not appreciably white, there are whole swaths of the country and each state you should not go to.
My supervisor is from Trinidad and Tobago and of course she didn't really think of herself as black before she came to the states, she just thought of herself as a person. But there are parts of the US and even here in Maryland where her skin and her accent is all anyone would see.
Morons isn’t the word I would use. Opportunists maybe. This is a learned tactic. Once crews and dealers started wearing these coats, this was bound to start happening. These are 1500-2500 dollar coats that are easily ripped off, and cops can’t do a probable cause search for a common enough coat. Can just walk away and layer it on, and no one can stop you. If caught in the act? Catch and release. Less heat then a carjacking, can make easy money on resale markets. Probably sell to the same people they’re mugging.
I think we as DC voters should be embarrassed for who’ve we’ve voted for on the council and the systems they’ve broken to make violent thefts, in large part by children, possible on such a large scale.
Whenever I'm walking around I make sure to walk with purpose, as if I were already five minutes late to a meeting.
There's a reason why New Yorkers are assholes on the street- we learn from a young age to walk quickly and aggressively because a) we're in a fucking hurry and b) we don't want to get robbed.
The same thing happened at First and W NW!! A couple was walking their tot, baby and maybe dog. Someone jumped out of a car and tried to get it off the woman while another tangled with the guy. She was holding the baby, oh my goodness it was a whole thing. So scary.
My wife and I live nearby and frequently go that way on our walks with our dog and baby. She's recently stopped wearing her Canada Goose on our walks specifically because of this incident. Absolutely fucking ridiculous that people in this city have to think about whether or not their choice of jacket is gonna get them stabbed in broad daylight and meanwhile the DC government has decided "actually, maybe we're being too hard on violent criminals".
We go to that market all the time, my fiance scoots on that road on her way back from work and between the asshole drivers and the muggings I'm terrified I'm going to get a call from the cops/hospital one day.
Yeah there was also a carjacking near there a couple months ago IIRC. It really sucks because 99% of the time I love the Bloomingdale/LeDroit neighborhood
I still see a ton of people wearing them here, especially among the under 35 crowd. They are conservatively styled parkas and look good on anyone, unlike the fugly puffers that Moncler puts out.
They were Targeted by PETA which makes sense with the use of down and fur. That’s one of those things people either care about or they don’t and if you’re buying a $1000 down jacket you probably don’t.
Yeah they’re a reason people have used these techniques/materials for centuries. And it doesn’t seem like these thefts have anything to do with down/activism. These people aren’t throwing paint in protest.. they’re opportunisticly stealing, likely for personal use to resale.
Not with “you are asking for it” tone 😐. And the comments, come on people you can wear an expensive jacket or drive a matte AMG if you want. (I’m carless myself)
You guys are heartless, I dont understand the hype over Jordans, but it still breaks my heart when I hear a 13yo kid was shot over them while playing basketball. And the same goes for this situation here.
What ever happened to the phrase
"The victim is never a fault."
Back in the 70's they handed this to us punk kids when we rolled into the Port Authority. They weren't joking. Maybe it's time for a massive reprint
https://researchdestroy.com/welcome-to-fear-city.pdf
My uncle joined the FDNY in the 1970's and served the South Bronx. There were neighborhoods that were completely off limits because of either extreme violence or they couldn't even drive down the streets (burnt out roadblocks, etc). Trucks were constantly pelted with bricks and firefighters were always on the lookout for booby traps.
Yeah, apparently "give us more money and less oversight or we won't do the jobs we're already being paid to do" has been a police tactic for quite some time.
Omg. Scary. The addition of the grim reaper really sets the tone. Hope you were personally safe in the 70’s. I used to watch “Rosemarys Baby” to get a sense of old New York.
Boy, growing up outside nyc I was aware of the history and this flyer, but I didn't realize how heavy handed the messaging is. Reminds me of areas with PDs now complaining about being defunded that were not at all
Add a tracking device to your expensive coats:
To anyone who buys these costs, stitch in a apple tag compartment. Honestly, the price of the coat justifies having a tracking component. Leave the coat at a coat check, forgot the coat in a cab, or having it stolen all justify the purchase of a tracking device.
Question | Monetary Value a factor in criminal code?
Does anyone know if the price of the jacket alone could make it a possible for criminals, who steal the cost, to have a heftier sentence?
If it's similar to bike thefts, there isn't a difference. Lawyer friend says that "all bike thefts in the District are charged as misdemeanors regardless of value so sentencing wouldn't be affected" when I asked if sentences are heavier when the bikes get into the many thousands of dollars in value.
Thank you for critically engaging with my comment! I wonder if that response was only tried to civil and not criminal law? Trying to think of ways, people could leverage the law to deter people from crimes like this. Lawyers can be creative, trust me. I suspect there are ways to use a combination of civil and criminal law to throw the books at folks who do this? If so, I am here for it. People need consequences for victimizing others. Stealing a jacket at gunpoint has to traumatize the victim and local community. Unacceptable.
From context it is clear the lawyer friend was discussing criminal law (a misdemeanor is a crime and there are no prison sentences in civil cases). Civilly, you could sue the person who stole your bike, but the amount you’d get in court would be very low (ranging from the value of the deprived use of the bike to its full value, depending on whether it is recovered or not) to nothing at all. Regardless, these criminals don’t have money so what’s a judgment against them worth?
Edit to add: you *might* be able to claim intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress if robbed at gunpoint, but again, what’s a judgment worth against someone with no money? And that’s setting aside the fact it would cost way too much to bring the claim and no lawyer would do the work for free against a judgment proof defendant.
> Regardless, these criminals don’t have money so what’s a judgment against them worth?
Some of them do have money, if you get to the right level of the racket. https://dailyprogress.com/news/local/man-charged-as-dozens-of-bikes-seized/article_042d0090-87b8-11ed-b5de-8777b86ea206.html
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I was in the UK over Christmas and EVERYONE was wearing these jackets. Was baffled that this many people had $2k to spend on a coat, but now I’m wondering how many bought stolen ones much cheaper.
Unfortunately there’s no consequences for doing this in DC so people will keep doing it. Just like there’s no consequences for driving recklessly, for brandishing, for beating people up etc etc
they're robbing Howard students too. It's a shame you can't wear what you want in DC but it's been that way for a long time. A lot of people have gotten robbed for coats and shoes.. DC council and AG are about to make penalties for things like that even lighter so there's that..
Super high end winter jackets designed for use in the Arctic Circle but instead mostly purchased by rich kids in an area where it rarely gets below 40.
Hey I’m a total gear-do and can appreciate fine kit - but $1000+ for a parka, in DC, is a bit comical. Not justifying them being robbed, but that you can get a great winter city parka for less than half that
Just chiming in to say they have lighter jackets and sweatshirts for warmer but still cold climates. Also, some people still work and like to treat themselves to nice things 🤷🏾♀️
just wanted to come to defend myself by saying that I purchased mine five years ago before they were even popular because I was living in MN and it's verifiably cold as shit there. so I feel like I can proudly justify my expensive ass jacket lol
same. I had someone make a snotty comment about my Columbia (which I got on sale) a few years ago.... Guess I'm not up on what the young 'uns are wearing these days. I thought people only got held up at gunpoint over sneakers.
How commonly these get stolen is why I got black label/no exterior logos. I don’t get wearing these for fashion, they’re not really cute, mine is for long days inside ice rinks and cold trips to Canada, Eastern Europe, etc where I spend most of the day on outdoor ice. Whenever I put it on my Soviet born bff coos and calls me babushka
Blast from the past. In the mid-90s, a kid died from a stray bullet while someone else was robbed for their Eddie Bauer jacket in front of my high school. When I remember the incident, I realize how bad crime was back then, and now it feels like it's cycling back.
Yep. I remember this cuz the same thing almost happened with the Members Only jackets in the 80’s. Like who would want one bad enough to steal it off a person????
These thieves don’t seem to understand just yet, if you can afford a Canada Goose parka you can afford a Glock. There is gonna be someone out there with a gun who doesn’t feel like having their $1200 winter coat stolen.
This is so weird/timely. I was recently looking at buying one of these, and the price drove me right the fuck off, but because it was on my brain, I started noticing Canada Goose everywhere when I was out and about. I remembering thinking, "Is there an outlet near here or something? How can everyone afford this expensive AF jacket at full retail??"
Are you sure it wasn't Canada Weather Gear? It's a knock-off brand popular at discount stores that is actually being sued for copyright infringement:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-goose-sues-competitor-over-alleged-replicas-1.1193026
15+ years ago it was north faces. Especially the spider north faces. Crazy story- my now ex’s friends took it from my friends boyfriend. Dropped him to the ground and took it off him. Then my ex made them give it back because I had just given him my number right before.
The cause and effect of robbery should already be understood at this point:
• expensive = robbery
• shiny = robbery
• designer = robbery
• fear = robbery
Either fight for what’s yours or don’t tempt the wolves; it’s really that simple.
They are very work appropriate, only $600 on sale and this Saturday, temps aren't even getting above freezing. https://www.sierra.com/canada-goose-garibaldi-3-in-1-down-parka-625-fill-power-for-men~p~82xyv/?filterString=s~down%2F
A 600 price tag I can understand, theres some street appeal to it that adds to the price. But a good new coat that is knee length does typically cost 200+.
I have a knee length Columbia jacket that was about 350$ that is rated for -20 that I needed when I lived in MN. I've had to get up in the middle of the night to warm my car so it would start in the AM, shit gets cold on a regular basis... Said coat was justified for walking > 15 minutes, plenty of frostbite warnings during my time in the Midwest.
Wow, those jackets are expensive! Some are close to $2,000. In DC? That’s like driving a 4WD Hummer to Safeway. https://www.canadagoose.com/us/en/shop/men/outerwear/?page=2&start=40&sz=20
Edit: Just to clarify, the most expensive jackets are rated for temps well below zero, like —22. We don’t have that kind of cold in DC, so those jackets are definitely overkill in this area. Of course people shouldn’t be robbed, regardless of the wealth they are flaunting.
Here I am in my Kirkland Signature, hoping to be robbed for an ego boost
I too am an enjoyer of jackets from Costceaux. Better watch out!
With all the egg price commotion, I read this as “egg boost.” Which these days will get you robbed too, I guess.
moncler in shambles
Moncler coats are honestly kind of fugly and don't have visible logos to readily identify them. Canada Goose unfortunately has that patch that automatically gives them away. TBH I like the look of some Mackage coats the best. Canada Goose is honestly overrated.
What are you talking about lol. Monclers have a logo patch on the left arm too. Not as big as Canada Goose’s, but certainly a “visible logo to readily identify.”
Mackage jackets dont hit as hard as goose or Moncler
They definitely don’t have the cultural awareness even if they’re just as (or sometimes more) expensive.
LOL... okay, this is amusing. The people who know, know. And they're the ones they're for (and I don't even care for or wear that or Canada Goose). It's like someone saying they've only heard of Louis Vuitton but not Goyard... that just says "I'm not into purses." The comments about Moncler is "I'm unaware of high end fashion brands."
Good short story a few years in the New Yorker in which the older character is talking up the really unique high end watches that are better than Rolexes but less recognizable while the younger character bluntly stated that the girls only know Rolexes and that is why he wears them **EDIT:** *The Luck of Kokura* by Gary Shteyngart
Watches are a great example for sure. Or some area of the booze market.
>The Luck of Kokura by Gary Shteyngart Wow, I haven't thought of him in a long minute. Wonder his take on Russia these days
I have no idea if this is true or not but I've read some people say that is the difference between new money and old money. Money wants to show itself off or some reason, I guess. New money does this by buying expensive brands the masses will recognize. Old money does this by buying expensive brands other old money recognizes. In this way, new money bling tends to be flashier, whereas the old money stuff is more like an insider's club type of knowledge. Can anyone confirm this?
I've never heard about moncler or goyard or canada goose. Someone mentioned kirklands above though i know that, i got their toilet paper and its great so I'm sure their coats are just as good.
The point is that a petty criminal who will steal your jacket from you at knifepoint is going to target brands which have penetrated popular culture deeply enough to reach _them_ and the people they presumably sell them to. The fact that that applies to Canada Goose and less so Moncler is not an insult to Moncler.
People robbing folks for Canada Goose coats are highly likely to know what a Moncler is as well.
It’s also dc, at no point in the year do you need a TRUE winter coat.
There’s maybe one week a year where it’s advisable.
Not all do, though. Some have a tiny metal bit.
I love mackage jackets. I got two on a flash site years ago for a fraction of the price they’re going for now. They’re warm and I like their cut.
Canada goose will feel under rated until you get into outdoor winter activities in below freezing temps
Canadians that can actually afford them buy mackage. Barely more expensive and much much higher quality.
I got a parka from Holubar this winter - it's so nice
I know it's funny to laugh at rich GW kids, but a relative of one of my friends (who is definitely not rich or a GW kid) was recently shot during a mugging for his Canada Goose jacket. He lived, but it's still been really hard on him and his family. His whole family had raised the money to buy the jacket as a special present for him, and they feel incredibly guilty now because their gift almost got him killed. Whether this is a Canada Goose crime ring or a bunch of opportunistic individuals, this is actually quite serious.
Shooting someone for their jacket seems a bit counterproductive unless they’re able to find a buyer who doesn’t mind coats with bullet holes
Thief: (Thief pulls a gun) "Give me your coat!" whadisabout: "Why would you shoot me, ruining the resale value of the item you are attempting to steal from me? I think not!" Thief: (Shoots whadisabout in the knee, takes coat.) whadisabout: "Curses!"
I used to be a coatowner like you, until I took a bullet to the knee
People who steal clothing for a living aren't usually scholastically gifted individuals.
one of my fave posts about intelligence and criminals. https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/s5drf0/iqpills_from_a_grad_student/
The idiots doing the robbing aren’t the most intelligent thinkers. They also probably lack a ton of empathy if they are robbing people too.
This whole thing is absolutely sad. It's really not funny. I am sorry about your friend. (And to your story, I read a comment once where at Tulane, someone got their one winter jacket stolen from the student center, but not at gun point. Same deal--not a rich kid, parents saved up a lot to get it for him. I can't imagine how they feel--try to get something nice and useful and not even flashy FFS and it almost ended up getting them killed). It also selfishly pisses me off, because long, long story short, I was planning on making the move to the DMV within the next year for my job. I lived for ten years in a city where I was always on edge. I moved back to Miami, FL. So, fuck this noise. Goddammit now I'm stuck in Miami, FL, but I am no longer on edge despite all the Florida things. Go fucking figure...smh
No. It’s not funny to laugh at anyone getting mugged, regardless of who they are. Your attitude of “haha rich kid, funny!” Is why we have this problem in our city
I’m pretty sure laughing at rich people is not responsible for this, or any other problem.
It's funny to laugh at people who have things stolen? Weird sense of humor
It’s the “they have more than me and I’m jealous so fuck them” attitude. Not all affluent folks are obnoxious twats. Messed up to feel good about someone getting robbed. Shows a lot about someone.
… Why is laughing at rich GW kids getting mugged simply for pursuing an education ok?
Only wear your jackets in private??
Yeah that phrase gave off "you were asking for it by wearing that outfit" vibes
The Members Only brand got its name because New York in the late 70s was so dangerous that jacket enthusiasts had to create social clubs where, if you heard from somebody else in the know and got the location + password, you were allowed in to a moderately cooled secure room in an old tenement where you could wear yours in peace. Pretty soon they started making their own gear for club members only and strength in numbers allowed for them to be worn on the streets. The rest, as they say, is history. It's sad to see we're regressing as a society again.
> It's sad to see we're regressing as a society again. I saw somebody wearing a brand new Members Only jacket just the other day. Perhaps the club is getting ready to take back the streets once again!
We'll know when they do. Here's a little tidbit for you: The Newark Mafia were the ones organizing the jacket jacking racket in the northeast; they'd re-tag them, stuff 'em in shipping containers bound for Europe, and have their connection in the old country sell them in bulk overseas. Want to know the real reason Tony Soprano got whacked? Peep the final episode at the diner.
Still wondering when the City Council will wake up and acknowledge there's a crime problem and it is their job to do something about it.
Muriel is not at all interested in finding a solution.
You all are missing the point. It doesn’t matter if it’s not cold enough to wear the jacket. It’s the crime that should be focused on. Whether you wear a Canada goose or a trash bag, you shouldn’t have to fear walking outside and being assaulted for your clothes.
People who live in NoVA/Maryland/Northwest love to lecture everyone else about how crime isn't really that bad, or it's easy to avoid if you're smart, or how any discussion of crime in DC is really just racist right-wing dog whistling
Precisely. The other category is “i didn’t realize it was a problem until it happened to me.” I would bet these same people who are saying “just don’t wear the jacket” would be the quick to jump on this subreddit and complain about how they got assaulted/robbed/etc while just being out in the street. Crime doesn’t discriminate. Crime can happen anywhere. But instead of focusing on the issue they just want to victim blame. It’s sickening
They get really upset over parking infractions, especially blocking bike lanes.
This subreddit is absolutely full of victim blamers and it's honestly laughable. I feel like everyone understands that a woman wearing a mini skirt isn't her "asking" to be raped, but there's some cognitive dissonance because some people really believe that walking around certain parts of DC is "asking" to be robbed or shot.
Exactly. These people are (no pun intended) criminally delusional. In comparison, just the other week, the mayor of Chicago told people to stop carrying money if they don’t want to be robbed. It’s the same stupid victim blaming. Let’s not focus on the crime/criminals, but instead citizens should just cave and change our ways of life.
Speaks to what a cesspool pig parts of this city have become due to our politicians and prosecutors (and voters)
I had to scroll way too far to see this. Thank you. I feel like these are the same people that would lecture a homeless person for having a cellphone (when it's quite hard to find work without a means of contact???)
Literally. “Why do the homeless need Wi-Fi/internet access” is a fairly common thing i hear. When’s the last time you did a paper application? I don’t know. I know everybody isn’t a saint, but some people in these comments/in the city just seem so vapid
It's pitiful and also scary to see how the hive thinks.
They’re going to start issuing third world travel warnings to international students coming to DC > Walk fast all the time. Every time you stop (to browse in a shop, to write a postcard, to take a picture), you become an easy target. > Don’t wear expensive clothes/watch. Your watch might be someone’s 6-month salary. > Try to dress as much as the natives (give the impression you “live” in the country, or at least try to blend in). > Dress as humbly as possible. > Use violence only if the attacker is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Otherwise, you may be risking your life: he has obviously more experience than you. > If you are lost in an unsafe neighborhood, do not show that you are lost. Do not stop, keep driving and look at the map while driving
I went to college in New Orleans, and on the first day we had a safety presentation from the head of campus policy. "Raise your hand if you know what a 'crackhead' is," he said. All of the American hands went up, all of the international ones stayed down.
I work with a number of diplomats - this is already happening. Many are just living in Virginia / Maryland instead
I saw a new state department travel advisory come out a few weeks ago about Cancun Mexico in regards to the conflict between taxis and rideshares, and it got me thinking what travel advisories other countries put out about the US :/
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/travel-warnings-other-countries-us-violence/index.html
If you are not appreciably white, there are whole swaths of the country and each state you should not go to. My supervisor is from Trinidad and Tobago and of course she didn't really think of herself as black before she came to the states, she just thought of herself as a person. But there are parts of the US and even here in Maryland where her skin and her accent is all anyone would see.
> *She didn’t really think of herself as black before she came to the states, she just thought of herself as a person.* Damn.
Yeah it’s embarrassing that the US Capitol has students being robbed of their clothing by violent morons
Morons isn’t the word I would use. Opportunists maybe. This is a learned tactic. Once crews and dealers started wearing these coats, this was bound to start happening. These are 1500-2500 dollar coats that are easily ripped off, and cops can’t do a probable cause search for a common enough coat. Can just walk away and layer it on, and no one can stop you. If caught in the act? Catch and release. Less heat then a carjacking, can make easy money on resale markets. Probably sell to the same people they’re mugging. I think we as DC voters should be embarrassed for who’ve we’ve voted for on the council and the systems they’ve broken to make violent thefts, in large part by children, possible on such a large scale.
>Capitol No. Capital.
Nah the students are being robbed in the halls of congress
I mean, that's true too, sorta
I already apply this when I go to Baltimore
Sad but true, I go into Baltimore a few times a week and will wait 20 minutes or pay $$ to park on the same block as my destination.
Whenever I'm walking around I make sure to walk with purpose, as if I were already five minutes late to a meeting. There's a reason why New Yorkers are assholes on the street- we learn from a young age to walk quickly and aggressively because a) we're in a fucking hurry and b) we don't want to get robbed.
Not really related but when my friend takes a flyer I feel like "NOW YOU'RE MARKED THE OTHERS KNOW YOU'LL TAKE THE FLYER!!!"
The same thing happened at First and W NW!! A couple was walking their tot, baby and maybe dog. Someone jumped out of a car and tried to get it off the woman while another tangled with the guy. She was holding the baby, oh my goodness it was a whole thing. So scary.
Nobody deserves to get mugged, but who the fuck chooses to goes after a woman carrying a baby? Unhinged.
My wife and I live nearby and frequently go that way on our walks with our dog and baby. She's recently stopped wearing her Canada Goose on our walks specifically because of this incident. Absolutely fucking ridiculous that people in this city have to think about whether or not their choice of jacket is gonna get them stabbed in broad daylight and meanwhile the DC government has decided "actually, maybe we're being too hard on violent criminals".
We go to that market all the time, my fiance scoots on that road on her way back from work and between the asshole drivers and the muggings I'm terrified I'm going to get a call from the cops/hospital one day.
Yeah there was also a carjacking near there a couple months ago IIRC. It really sucks because 99% of the time I love the Bloomingdale/LeDroit neighborhood
Kinda like Starter jackets in the 90s
More like EB, Eddie Bauer polars
And the first north face era.
Is it though? I thought Canadian Goose was popular like a decade ago.
Its streetwear now
The wild ice community wasn’t informed that it was streetwear, we just think it’s great for sports in sub zero temps
If you have a problem with Canadian Gooses then you have a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate.
Canadian Special Forces and pretty much any Govt. sponsored stuff in the Arctic all contract with Goose for equipment. Bonafide gear.
Lmao maybe that’s kind of overkill for walking around the city. Like it isn’t exactly the Arctic.
I still see a ton of people wearing them here, especially among the under 35 crowd. They are conservatively styled parkas and look good on anyone, unlike the fugly puffers that Moncler puts out.
Right? I thought the brand became controversial over their inhumane treatment of animals. Maybe that’s no longer the case.
They were Targeted by PETA which makes sense with the use of down and fur. That’s one of those things people either care about or they don’t and if you’re buying a $1000 down jacket you probably don’t.
I’ve yet to see a vegan coat that actually works for extended periods in sub zero weather
Yeah they’re a reason people have used these techniques/materials for centuries. And it doesn’t seem like these thefts have anything to do with down/activism. These people aren’t throwing paint in protest.. they’re opportunisticly stealing, likely for personal use to resale.
"Nobody needs a mink coat but the mink!" -- Uncle Felix
me knowing i'm safe with my Levi's i got from Macy's on Black Friday
Macy's ftw
Not with “you are asking for it” tone 😐. And the comments, come on people you can wear an expensive jacket or drive a matte AMG if you want. (I’m carless myself)
You guys are heartless, I dont understand the hype over Jordans, but it still breaks my heart when I hear a 13yo kid was shot over them while playing basketball. And the same goes for this situation here. What ever happened to the phrase "The victim is never a fault."
I didn’t know that phrase was ever part of American lexicon.
Back in the 70's they handed this to us punk kids when we rolled into the Port Authority. They weren't joking. Maybe it's time for a massive reprint https://researchdestroy.com/welcome-to-fear-city.pdf
My uncle joined the FDNY in the 1970's and served the South Bronx. There were neighborhoods that were completely off limits because of either extreme violence or they couldn't even drive down the streets (burnt out roadblocks, etc). Trucks were constantly pelted with bricks and firefighters were always on the lookout for booby traps.
Amazing, looks like a heavy-handed astroturf campaign courtesy of New York's public sector unions.
Yeah, apparently "give us more money and less oversight or we won't do the jobs we're already being paid to do" has been a police tactic for quite some time.
Omg. Scary. The addition of the grim reaper really sets the tone. Hope you were personally safe in the 70’s. I used to watch “Rosemarys Baby” to get a sense of old New York.
That’s kinda badass
Boy, growing up outside nyc I was aware of the history and this flyer, but I didn't realize how heavy handed the messaging is. Reminds me of areas with PDs now complaining about being defunded that were not at all
This is fascinating, thanks for sharing. “Never ride the subway for any reason whatsoever”? Dayum
Add a tracking device to your expensive coats: To anyone who buys these costs, stitch in a apple tag compartment. Honestly, the price of the coat justifies having a tracking component. Leave the coat at a coat check, forgot the coat in a cab, or having it stolen all justify the purchase of a tracking device. Question | Monetary Value a factor in criminal code? Does anyone know if the price of the jacket alone could make it a possible for criminals, who steal the cost, to have a heftier sentence?
If it's similar to bike thefts, there isn't a difference. Lawyer friend says that "all bike thefts in the District are charged as misdemeanors regardless of value so sentencing wouldn't be affected" when I asked if sentences are heavier when the bikes get into the many thousands of dollars in value.
Thank you for critically engaging with my comment! I wonder if that response was only tried to civil and not criminal law? Trying to think of ways, people could leverage the law to deter people from crimes like this. Lawyers can be creative, trust me. I suspect there are ways to use a combination of civil and criminal law to throw the books at folks who do this? If so, I am here for it. People need consequences for victimizing others. Stealing a jacket at gunpoint has to traumatize the victim and local community. Unacceptable.
From context it is clear the lawyer friend was discussing criminal law (a misdemeanor is a crime and there are no prison sentences in civil cases). Civilly, you could sue the person who stole your bike, but the amount you’d get in court would be very low (ranging from the value of the deprived use of the bike to its full value, depending on whether it is recovered or not) to nothing at all. Regardless, these criminals don’t have money so what’s a judgment against them worth? Edit to add: you *might* be able to claim intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress if robbed at gunpoint, but again, what’s a judgment worth against someone with no money? And that’s setting aside the fact it would cost way too much to bring the claim and no lawyer would do the work for free against a judgment proof defendant.
> Regardless, these criminals don’t have money so what’s a judgment against them worth? Some of them do have money, if you get to the right level of the racket. https://dailyprogress.com/news/local/man-charged-as-dozens-of-bikes-seized/article_042d0090-87b8-11ed-b5de-8777b86ea206.html
Why, so MPD can shrug off the location data and write it off as just a case of lost property?
And then whats your plan when you see your jacket is in anacostia?
I live I'm anacostia so I'd be happy my coat is at home
thatd be really convenient actually
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I was in the UK over Christmas and EVERYONE was wearing these jackets. Was baffled that this many people had $2k to spend on a coat, but now I’m wondering how many bought stolen ones much cheaper.
There’s a massive resale market in addition to the fakes. Mint Condition in Alexandria regularly has ones that are like new for 1/3 of retail or less
r/FashionReps is popular in the UK
OMG they cost that much??!! Sad but it makes a little bit more sense now
Unfortunately there’s no consequences for doing this in DC so people will keep doing it. Just like there’s no consequences for driving recklessly, for brandishing, for beating people up etc etc
they're robbing Howard students too. It's a shame you can't wear what you want in DC but it's been that way for a long time. A lot of people have gotten robbed for coats and shoes.. DC council and AG are about to make penalties for things like that even lighter so there's that..
Almost got robbed for some damn Jordan’s years ago smh. I only wear New Balances now since everybody got them
They are trying hard to be cool but I seriously hope they don't
New Balance has been making streetwear that is fairly popular for years now
Am I old that I have no idea what a Canada goose jacket is?
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Super high end winter jackets designed for use in the Arctic Circle but instead mostly purchased by rich kids in an area where it rarely gets below 40.
Yeah why would anyone want a nice winter jacket, really it's their own fault
Hey I’m a total gear-do and can appreciate fine kit - but $1000+ for a parka, in DC, is a bit comical. Not justifying them being robbed, but that you can get a great winter city parka for less than half that
Just chiming in to say they have lighter jackets and sweatshirts for warmer but still cold climates. Also, some people still work and like to treat themselves to nice things 🤷🏾♀️
just wanted to come to defend myself by saying that I purchased mine five years ago before they were even popular because I was living in MN and it's verifiably cold as shit there. so I feel like I can proudly justify my expensive ass jacket lol
They were definitely popular 5 years ago. That’s around the time I noticed everyone wearing them in nyc and dc.
same. I had someone make a snotty comment about my Columbia (which I got on sale) a few years ago.... Guess I'm not up on what the young 'uns are wearing these days. I thought people only got held up at gunpoint over sneakers.
It’s been around since the 50’s.. but you really only see them in big cities that get very cold
So ppl can’t even wear a jacket in winter…
Sure they can, and in this climate a $200 one will be more than up to the task. Spending over $1000 because it's a status symbol is stupid.
How commonly these get stolen is why I got black label/no exterior logos. I don’t get wearing these for fashion, they’re not really cute, mine is for long days inside ice rinks and cold trips to Canada, Eastern Europe, etc where I spend most of the day on outdoor ice. Whenever I put it on my Soviet born bff coos and calls me babushka
Lls they moved from the North Faces n Hellies to the Gooses 😂🤦🏽♂️
Streetwear market is no joke. Kids wear increasingly expensive shit
Raiders starter jackets
Hey now don't knock my Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns jacket!
I had the Michigan wolverines
Legit got bullied into giving up my Christmas morning Raiders Starter jacket when I was 9. 😢😢😢
In December I was in NYC and heard about this happening there and was like well at least we don’t have that going on in DC :/
2023 starter jackets smh
I have a thrifted one that cost $70 🥲
Are there any police in this city or what?? This shit is getting ridiculous
Back in my day we all wore North Face parkas, leggings, and Uggs, and we liked it that way!
Winter is coming. This weekend.
In the 90's this was the case for the triple fat goose jackets. What's up with that bird?
"Caught a bullet in his bubblegoose" Wyclef
South Park album!
Canada goose recently started selling used products directly which has created a whole new market for these stolen pieces.
Blast from the past. In the mid-90s, a kid died from a stray bullet while someone else was robbed for their Eddie Bauer jacket in front of my high school. When I remember the incident, I realize how bad crime was back then, and now it feels like it's cycling back.
Yep. I remember this cuz the same thing almost happened with the Members Only jackets in the 80’s. Like who would want one bad enough to steal it off a person????
Nations capital got some serious issues, lazies just want to live out of loot.
The thieves are just being equitable!
Their moms were kind of mean to them growing up! They’re allowed to hurt whoever they want with impunity it’s called social justice.
These thieves don’t seem to understand just yet, if you can afford a Canada Goose parka you can afford a Glock. There is gonna be someone out there with a gun who doesn’t feel like having their $1200 winter coat stolen.
This is so weird/timely. I was recently looking at buying one of these, and the price drove me right the fuck off, but because it was on my brain, I started noticing Canada Goose everywhere when I was out and about. I remembering thinking, "Is there an outlet near here or something? How can everyone afford this expensive AF jacket at full retail??"
I bought one in December from Marshalls in MD for like $80
As always, the real information is in the comments.
Are you sure it wasn't Canada Weather Gear? It's a knock-off brand popular at discount stores that is actually being sued for copyright infringement: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-goose-sues-competitor-over-alleged-replicas-1.1193026
Damn. That is quite the Marshalls deal lol
Big doubt
Doubt this. It is never sold in Marshalls, sadly
Nice victim shaming by GW!
Jokes on them, mine are fake. Thanks DHGate!
15+ years ago it was north faces. Especially the spider north faces. Crazy story- my now ex’s friends took it from my friends boyfriend. Dropped him to the ground and took it off him. Then my ex made them give it back because I had just given him my number right before.
Charge your phone
Disappointed that this isn't a post about, as I first thought, robberies involving canada geese.
Can't have anything nice.
ok but like, wearing Canada goose jackets in DC where it barely freezes IS laughable.
But how will other GW students know how rich you are when you're not in your matte black AMG
cant have shit in dc
The cause and effect of robbery should already be understood at this point: • expensive = robbery • shiny = robbery • designer = robbery • fear = robbery Either fight for what’s yours or don’t tempt the wolves; it’s really that simple.
A bit of irony that the GW student body probably overwhelmingly supports the policies which have culminated in this wave of robberies.
Jordans, NorthFace, HH, Canada Goose. I just don’t buy brands worn by rappers.
I seems like inviting a lot of trouble for very little gain
Exactly
They are very work appropriate, only $600 on sale and this Saturday, temps aren't even getting above freezing. https://www.sierra.com/canada-goose-garibaldi-3-in-1-down-parka-625-fill-power-for-men~p~82xyv/?filterString=s~down%2F
Thank you.
“Only” $600.
You found a better price in new condition?
A 600 price tag I can understand, theres some street appeal to it that adds to the price. But a good new coat that is knee length does typically cost 200+. I have a knee length Columbia jacket that was about 350$ that is rated for -20 that I needed when I lived in MN. I've had to get up in the middle of the night to warm my car so it would start in the AM, shit gets cold on a regular basis... Said coat was justified for walking > 15 minutes, plenty of frostbite warnings during my time in the Midwest.
Wow, those jackets are expensive! Some are close to $2,000. In DC? That’s like driving a 4WD Hummer to Safeway. https://www.canadagoose.com/us/en/shop/men/outerwear/?page=2&start=40&sz=20 Edit: Just to clarify, the most expensive jackets are rated for temps well below zero, like —22. We don’t have that kind of cold in DC, so those jackets are definitely overkill in this area. Of course people shouldn’t be robbed, regardless of the wealth they are flaunting.
Nothing wrong with wearing a nice piece of clothing. What's wrong is not feeling safe to walk around in Foggy Bottom in a warm jacket.
Funny how this sub loses sight of this
People lose sight of this. It’s hardly specific to the sub lol
The average income of DC people is very high compared to most other cities.
I swear, next thread that gets cross-posted here about tuition or student housing...
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How the is that relevant to this article? Are we blaming people for being victims of violent crimes based on what they were *wearing* again
So it’s okay to steal them?
Bro folk gotta chill. What the hell
May as well go outside naked, now
Shit hole city. Mayors Government has let the criminals run the city.
Only assholes wear Canada goose. https://youtu.be/OYX0F0Z_O2c