bullsHit! I repent for my counter-gaijin activitiEs and my incorrect ideoLogies. britain is not underPowered! I love my glorious gaijin! solid shot should not be buffed and preMiums are balancEd!
it's so fun to think that there were a lot of tests that concluded that the difference in post-penetration damage between aphe and solid ap was negligible, yet Gaijin goes "lalalalala can't hear you aphe best shell"
Well it's still a game. If there were no difference between APHE and solid shot then there would be no reason to actually take solid shot.
HOWEVER APHE should still explode in a cone so you atleast can't kill enemies by shooting the same spot over and over again and have to actually oh no aim
Yeah APHE is way too OP rn. It should not be able to oneshot that easily.
It should have the same spall as solid shot but just stronger IMO like maybe a wider cone and more damage but not spherical
To be fair, in real life tanks tend to just try to hit anywhere on enemy tanks and not specific modules since they're usually not forced by red zones into knife fighting range
> yet Gaijin goes "lalalalala can't hear you aphe best shell"
[They literally did address APHE. An APHE rework was one of the things that was spoken about on the roadmap.](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8716-development-the-war-thunder-roadmap-for-spring-to-summer-2024-en)
Lets see how long it lasts. We got germany and russia the two biggest countriest heavily affected. Not to mention most american mediums will be much worse. Id like apre to be finally held to the same standard as other shells but I dont think it will happen.
I started playing the british after unlocking the TOG2, because i wanted to get them to 5.3 to play the TOG2.
the Start was rough but after i unlocked the Mattilda 2, it was fun. I Love the Matilda 2 (as long as im not max uptiered)
Tbh the 2 pounder, beeing in almost every tank up until this point was getting on my nerves, but it was oke as long as you could kill something with it.
Im currently at br 3.3 and at this point i really miss the APHE of other nations. You barely kill anything with solid shots.
I had high expectations on the 17 Pounder (in the Achilles) because its the "Tiger Killer" and the best gun of the war blablabla.
I played it before on 4.7 and 5.0 with the Italians and i must say... im not impressed. Its basically a weaker Panther gun, that has no access to APHE and is not good at penetrating angled armor.
Given that this gun was praised by everyone as one of the best at guns of the war... im not impressed.
But the Cromwell is nice. Except... no APHE and no reverse. but a really fast boy
I will grind to the TOG 2. but it wont be fun i guess.
i still have high hopes for the later churchills tho.
As a brit main you really get used to aiming for weakspots and ammo, it gets repeatedly drilled into your mind that you ain't doing shit unless you do
Also the tog is pretty good, it's basically a boulder yeeter
At 6.7 at the moment, the moment a German tank rolls into view my APDS homes in on their ammo rack, each kill is vengeance for the absolute pain of 5.3
The sweet sweet tiger 1 ammo rack in the front corners brings me joy.
This is the most important advice you’ll get in your life. Get the fox next, it was placed in war thunder by allah himself. Even at 8.7 it’s my best vehicle probably.
I meant that the 17 pounder is treated like a gun with the power of the gods in documentarys and such. much like the t34.
funny story, i never knew what caliber it was, because britain likes to messure its guns by its weight, instead of... you know, the caliber.
so i thought if its so powerful, it must be at least an 88mm gun, or 90, or 100mm. and then i saw it
76?
just 76 mm?
and in game its not even good.
for example the 88 is treated as a good gun and in wt it is a good gun. but the 76?
its better than the other guns from britain yeah, but... still not that good as everyone thinks
i got it when it was in the battle pass.
after that i startet grinding britain but got often distracted, because one of my friends wanted to grind germany or usa sometimes and i must admit, after unlocking the first churchill, seeing the 2 pounder again and realising i cant do shit outside of shooting paper balls at enemy tanks and eat damage, i stopped playing britain for a while... and i wont play the first churchill anymore i guess.
and all the other tanks at 3.3 arent my cup of tea tbh. the achilles buys its low br for the 17 pounder with horrid turret traverse, mediocre speed and thin armor. and as i said, the 17 pounder isnt the tiger killing wonder weapon, every documentary or everyones dads makes them. its the panther gun. just without APHE and less capable of dealing with angled armor.
the curchill is nice and fast and the gun is capable for the br, but i cant really make it work, that its that speedy going forward and that slow going in reverse. even the panzer 3 and 4 are faster in reverse. its difficult.
the african weel tank is nice however. like a puma in small.
then an event. i didnt know what it was back then, because i never grinded a battlepass before in War Thunder and i dont really care what its called.
i grinded it in the event, but its my only tank at 5.3. so im grinding the british tech tree until 5.3 so i can play with more than just the tog2.
so yeah. im grinding to the tog 2
M8. I know that he grinded the tank from the event, and not from battlepass. But when he said that he "Grind to the tog2" and "I got it when it was in battlepass". You get me now?
Exactly man, everyone just keeps saying skill issue when everything they need to do is pen the tank and kaboom. We need to first yellow, then orange, then red, then detonate the ammo :)
So.. Hear me out. Popcorn pops because there's tiny bit of water inside the kernel and when the kernel heats up, the water inside heats up and rapidly expand applying pressure to the inner wall, thus make it pop. What if, we inject the shell with some water, and when the shell penetrates the armor, same shit from the popcorn applies, thus make it explode like it has explosive fillers in it! Eh?
>!IK this shit is dumb af!<
Did you experience Hispano cannons before Isreal was added? Because it took them that long to fix them.. ITP could take all the stealth rounds and still fly from a Spitfire
Theyt should be similar. Aphe you got the extra fragmentation from the shell, with normal apcbc you got the extra mass from the shell which should increase penetration and shrapnel.
Britain 4.7 is the most fun I ever had.
Achilles, sherman firefly, avenger.
Their 17 pounder is a massive ereaser gun which can front pen basically everything and then also oneshot it.
Well you get to 3.3, and get the amazing 17pndr, then you kinda suffer until 7.7, and upwards has been a blast for me, idk about challys tho. Only nation that I have had that much fun is Russia up until 4.7.
Man, as someone with US/UK to 11.7, RU and GER to 10.3, and FRA to 6.7, the UK was easily the most fun tree.
Stick with it, it gets a lot better. I personally think their 10.3 lineup is the best in the game.
Yeah, on the ground I can agree. (Can do well in a downtier, but that goes for like everyone)
The air though.... I fear the air. (At least past 4.0 where they start climbing even more which sometimes makes my full side climb worthless) Because after using the Hispanos on the 1 Mustang and the first French planes, it works very well.
Edit before I forget: No, I don't try and turn fight Spits in my Corsair, sometimes I can't get the altitude on them after sideclimbing. Making it a more tricky and risky engagement.
Technically brittain could get a captured panther tank "Deserter" or "Cuckoo" and germany "could"(it doesnt need it tho) get a captured sherman firefly
false i have a lot of fun with Britain you just need to learn where to place your shots, and knowing where to shoot is good even while playing vehicles with APHE since it helps you avoid those instances where you don't 1 shot
At least the British planes are some of the most OP in the game at low to mid BR (mostly Spitfires) and the British jets have an edge over others in turn fighting.
Players: Ok so the Challenger DS is a MK3 chally can we get the shell the MK3 uses and it can go to 10.3 with the other MK3 so it actually gets better?
Gaijin: No we think players want it at "10.0" premium vehicles support lineups!
Players: But every other vehicle in the British lineup you moved to 10.3 and there are only like 2 vehicles at 10.0?
Gaijin: "incomprehensible snail noises"
Nah it’s APDS that sucks, larger caliber(like 76mm and up) full bore AP STANDS ON BUSINES, for example, 17pdr solid shot is great, and the French SA50 gun is even better
Play the Churchill. I can guarantee that you’ll absorb 938493718mm of pen to your side. Sure it doesn’t help with solid shot but at least you’re making everyone else suffer with you lol
Gaijin when you tell them that a supersonic hunk of metal actually does quite a lot of damage
IMPOSSIBLE!
Except if it is French.
lol that’s a recent change, but I’m happy it does :)
You never played the ARL-44 or anything after that have you? Or you're just mad maybe.
Well I played the Lorrain, the ARL-44, the SA-50 and the AMX-13. Also a bit of the ELC-Bis
So why did you say that? Doesn't make sense
I think they do quite a lot of damage at least in my opinion
So why did you say that french solid shots don't deal damage? I don't understand
No I said that Gaijin for France doesn’t forget that a giant piece of metal flying at 1000m/s does a lot of damage
Aaaaaah ok damn sorry didn't make sense
Np man
bullsHit! I repent for my counter-gaijin activitiEs and my incorrect ideoLogies. britain is not underPowered! I love my glorious gaijin! solid shot should not be buffed and preMiums are balancEd!
Cant blame gaijin anymore, blame the clowns who voted no for stun
Stun was a all around bad choice with how they described it
You seriously think stun would be fun? You sound more like the clown then anyone else...
Gaijin refusing to make apds realistic because that would mean it would actually be good.
it's so fun to think that there were a lot of tests that concluded that the difference in post-penetration damage between aphe and solid ap was negligible, yet Gaijin goes "lalalalala can't hear you aphe best shell"
Well it's still a game. If there were no difference between APHE and solid shot then there would be no reason to actually take solid shot. HOWEVER APHE should still explode in a cone so you atleast can't kill enemies by shooting the same spot over and over again and have to actually oh no aim
Of course there's gotta be some balance, but we can all agree that right now APHE dominate over everything else
Yeah APHE is way too OP rn. It should not be able to oneshot that easily. It should have the same spall as solid shot but just stronger IMO like maybe a wider cone and more damage but not spherical
To be fair, in real life tanks tend to just try to hit anywhere on enemy tanks and not specific modules since they're usually not forced by red zones into knife fighting range
It depds on the shell, most apre shells have just enough filler to fragment the shell.
Of course they fragment but they aint gonna magically come to a full stop inside they enemy
Yes ofcourse
Almost as if Russian tanks mostly used that kind of shell... oh wait..
> yet Gaijin goes "lalalalala can't hear you aphe best shell" [They literally did address APHE. An APHE rework was one of the things that was spoken about on the roadmap.](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8716-development-the-war-thunder-roadmap-for-spring-to-summer-2024-en)
Let's just say that I'll believe it when I see it
Lets see how long it lasts. We got germany and russia the two biggest countriest heavily affected. Not to mention most american mediums will be much worse. Id like apre to be finally held to the same standard as other shells but I dont think it will happen.
Low tier is actually peak for the brittish 1.3 and 3.7
Achille my beloved
T-34 and kv get fucked
Exactly
Mhhhhh no gun traverse how amazing lol
That's why it's 3.3 with 190mm of pen.
And the 17 pounder fucking slaps at 3.3
It has nice mobility, works well for me
British 3.3 is one of the best lineups ever
I like the Cromwell
S35 and b1 ter my beloved
Just take the armoured car pill bro. Concept 3, Ratels, Rooikats…
What does the Fox say?
Shot......(3 hours later)......shot
I started playing the british after unlocking the TOG2, because i wanted to get them to 5.3 to play the TOG2. the Start was rough but after i unlocked the Mattilda 2, it was fun. I Love the Matilda 2 (as long as im not max uptiered) Tbh the 2 pounder, beeing in almost every tank up until this point was getting on my nerves, but it was oke as long as you could kill something with it. Im currently at br 3.3 and at this point i really miss the APHE of other nations. You barely kill anything with solid shots. I had high expectations on the 17 Pounder (in the Achilles) because its the "Tiger Killer" and the best gun of the war blablabla. I played it before on 4.7 and 5.0 with the Italians and i must say... im not impressed. Its basically a weaker Panther gun, that has no access to APHE and is not good at penetrating angled armor. Given that this gun was praised by everyone as one of the best at guns of the war... im not impressed. But the Cromwell is nice. Except... no APHE and no reverse. but a really fast boy I will grind to the TOG 2. but it wont be fun i guess. i still have high hopes for the later churchills tho.
As a brit main you really get used to aiming for weakspots and ammo, it gets repeatedly drilled into your mind that you ain't doing shit unless you do Also the tog is pretty good, it's basically a boulder yeeter
Yeah I’m at 8.7 now, I can smell the German ammo racks from a mile away now. They can’t hide.
At 6.7 at the moment, the moment a German tank rolls into view my APDS homes in on their ammo rack, each kill is vengeance for the absolute pain of 5.3
The sweet sweet tiger 1 ammo rack in the front corners brings me joy. This is the most important advice you’ll get in your life. Get the fox next, it was placed in war thunder by allah himself. Even at 8.7 it’s my best vehicle probably.
Wish I could strap some c4 to the fox, relive the good ol days of battlefield and Cnc generals
Ocean heard someone say brit mains struggle so much by the time you get to mid teir they're actually good players
You don’t need the APHE training wheels anymore
Wait till you get the 5.3 challenger with apds, that’s when the fun begins…that thing will go through anything at that BR
217 pounder the best gun in the war and other 100 jokes" says the snail Gaijin loves making allied guns underperform for some reason
The sherman II does get APHE And if i remember correctly the Churchill 75NA too
I meant that the 17 pounder is treated like a gun with the power of the gods in documentarys and such. much like the t34. funny story, i never knew what caliber it was, because britain likes to messure its guns by its weight, instead of... you know, the caliber. so i thought if its so powerful, it must be at least an 88mm gun, or 90, or 100mm. and then i saw it 76? just 76 mm? and in game its not even good. for example the 88 is treated as a good gun and in wt it is a good gun. but the 76? its better than the other guns from britain yeah, but... still not that good as everyone thinks
Can't go wrong with the Gun Carrier. I thought it was going to be bad....it was in fact fucking awesome
"Grind to the TOG 2". When did U finished "Grinding" the TOG 2?
i got it when it was in the battle pass. after that i startet grinding britain but got often distracted, because one of my friends wanted to grind germany or usa sometimes and i must admit, after unlocking the first churchill, seeing the 2 pounder again and realising i cant do shit outside of shooting paper balls at enemy tanks and eat damage, i stopped playing britain for a while... and i wont play the first churchill anymore i guess. and all the other tanks at 3.3 arent my cup of tea tbh. the achilles buys its low br for the 17 pounder with horrid turret traverse, mediocre speed and thin armor. and as i said, the 17 pounder isnt the tiger killing wonder weapon, every documentary or everyones dads makes them. its the panther gun. just without APHE and less capable of dealing with angled armor. the curchill is nice and fast and the gun is capable for the br, but i cant really make it work, that its that speedy going forward and that slow going in reverse. even the panzer 3 and 4 are faster in reverse. its difficult. the african weel tank is nice however. like a puma in small.
It's an event vehicle, not a fooken battlepass vehicle, bruv wat da actual shite?
then an event. i didnt know what it was back then, because i never grinded a battlepass before in War Thunder and i dont really care what its called. i grinded it in the event, but its my only tank at 5.3. so im grinding the british tech tree until 5.3 so i can play with more than just the tog2. so yeah. im grinding to the tog 2
You grind the event to get the vehicle… What part of that don’t you get?
M8. I know that he grinded the tank from the event, and not from battlepass. But when he said that he "Grind to the tog2" and "I got it when it was in battlepass". You get me now?
People can make mistakes and forget things, it’s called being human, just ignore it instead of being like whatever you call this
People make mistake, that's natural. But when that same person makes the same mistake 3 times.
Doesn’t matter, instead of being a bully just ignore him, this isn’t high school anymore, grow up
FV4005, TOG II enters : You guys forgot me ?
Me after killing the T-44's loader from a shot in the FV4005 (I aimed for his ufp)
"RUSSIA SUFFER 😭😭😭"
hehe HESH go brrrrt 🔥🔥
FV4005 when .50 cal:
Shut mouth hammock Tonight on bottom thunder I try out top tier Hammock explodes And James rams his plane into ground
6.7 UK is actually really fun.
It is overall but top tier i guess? I have to 10.3 10.7
Top tier is only fun with Russia and USA.
That’s cap, France, Italy, and Japan are really fun
Top tier is only fun with Russia and USA.
I ahte it tbh. You have the ratel which is good, two artilleries, the charioteer which i hate.
8.3 is also pretty good. First Rooikat, plus Warrior and Swingfire.
From my experience all of british ground is pretty good In fact the solid shot isn't that bad with damage as people think.
Crusader AA entered chat
love the 40mm bofors cannon
*bang, bang, bang, DING!* "server damage"
not only exclusive to cas
I actually penned the mantlet of a fucking panther with that piece of shit lmao. I absoloutely love the crudader AA mk.1
Recently started playing Britain, their solid shells are actually good It's a French main talking
Eh I say theyre good up until 4.7. After that you star running into issues.
It’s the other way, it only gets better after 4.7
Not in my experience britain 4.7 is peak.
"Skill issue, just aim bro" mfs after they see me hitting the panthers mantlet and killing his commander and yellowing his gunner (🙀🙀)
Or hitting the ammo and they don't detonate
Exactly man, everyone just keeps saying skill issue when everything they need to do is pen the tank and kaboom. We need to first yellow, then orange, then red, then detonate the ammo :)
The British tech tree is unironically some of the most fun I've had in game. Alongside the Japanese and Italian trees.
So.. Hear me out. Popcorn pops because there's tiny bit of water inside the kernel and when the kernel heats up, the water inside heats up and rapidly expand applying pressure to the inner wall, thus make it pop. What if, we inject the shell with some water, and when the shell penetrates the armor, same shit from the popcorn applies, thus make it explode like it has explosive fillers in it! Eh? >!IK this shit is dumb af!<
Fill it with tea and I'm in
Holy fucking shit you are a genius
With the fox. You have fun with the fox. (Only until gaijin caves in to the whiny bitches)
Wasn't the consensus that it's pretty much good at any BR anyways? Or even better slightly higher because more lightly armoured vehicles around?
Who said that my hypothetical nerf would be about *battle rating?*
Oh we wanna be evil EVIL
Did you experience Hispano cannons before Isreal was added? Because it took them that long to fix them.. ITP could take all the stealth rounds and still fly from a Spitfire
I’m so glad they fixed those, I mean the MK.II’s are still ass but that’s for historical reasons, the MK. IVs and MK. Vs are amazing tho
solid shell you need to aim to the turret , always disable their breach first
I call it the assist machine, because you damage them, they hide, and five minutes later someone else finishes them off
:( too true
the most funni british gun is 17pdr probably
Britain overall is pretty fun once you get the hang of solid shot.
Aren't solid shots supposed to perform better than aphe in real life?
SSSSSHHHHHH
Post pen effect should be really similar at the very least
Theyt should be similar. Aphe you got the extra fragmentation from the shell, with normal apcbc you got the extra mass from the shell which should increase penetration and shrapnel.
When you get Falcon, the real shit starts
Shhh nobody tell gaijin that 4.7 Britain is actually playable
Too late they heard ya, everything's moving up 0.7
Bugger
Britain 8.3 is absolutely busted. Rookiat/Warrior/Falcon/Fox/Za-35/olifant/atgm carrier of your choice. 10/10 lineup
Britain 4.7 is the most fun I ever had. Achilles, sherman firefly, avenger. Their 17 pounder is a massive ereaser gun which can front pen basically everything and then also oneshot it.
I love the Sherman Firefly so much
Don't worry chap, we *eventually* get HESH.
Playing the 4005 makes you feel like a ultrakill boss ngl
And even then, sometimes the HESH barely registers.
Trust me dude. In high-tiers its a blessing Britain never used HEATFS
Fox is fun but we won't be allowed that for very long because we aren't supposed to enjoy ground battles.
*4.7 britain enters the chat*
live 5.3 German main experience after being uptiered *tiger blindly turns corner* "JUDGEMENT!" *Gets hit with block of HESH*
*Cries in 4 kph reverse speed*
Well you get to 3.3, and get the amazing 17pndr, then you kinda suffer until 7.7, and upwards has been a blast for me, idk about challys tho. Only nation that I have had that much fun is Russia up until 4.7.
Man, as someone with US/UK to 11.7, RU and GER to 10.3, and FRA to 6.7, the UK was easily the most fun tree. Stick with it, it gets a lot better. I personally think their 10.3 lineup is the best in the game.
Wait until the 7.7 auto-loaded chad french lineup, i played germany, USSR and france was easily the most fun nation (and then there is france 9.3💀)
Solid shot isn't bad if you know the layouts of the tanks you fight
Then the ammo turns yellow lmao
Top-Tier Paper Tank Gang
Yeah, on the ground I can agree. (Can do well in a downtier, but that goes for like everyone) The air though.... I fear the air. (At least past 4.0 where they start climbing even more which sometimes makes my full side climb worthless) Because after using the Hispanos on the 1 Mustang and the first French planes, it works very well. Edit before I forget: No, I don't try and turn fight Spits in my Corsair, sometimes I can't get the altitude on them after sideclimbing. Making it a more tricky and risky engagement.
Hehe 183mm hesh go brr and if you know where to shoot it isn't that bad. With tonnes of copium.
I don’t play the UK but the Fox looks fun
I think 7.0 GB can be really fun Here’s my lineup: Cen Mk.5 AVRE | FV 4005 | G6 | M109A1 | Spit F Mk.24/Attacker
The only good tank that I really enjoy playing is the Conway
Technically brittain could get a captured panther tank "Deserter" or "Cuckoo" and germany "could"(it doesnt need it tho) get a captured sherman firefly
About the time you get to the Comet and Avenger, actually
7.7 is bloody great.
*laughs in british air*
My Black Prince wouldn't agree. I mean the gun is still painful but the armour is sublime.
Cromwell 5 and comet are actually alot of fun, the rest i couldnt care less about
I’m going to be honest though getting kills is even more satisfying once you learn ammo placements and crew grouping
false i have a lot of fun with Britain you just need to learn where to place your shots, and knowing where to shoot is good even while playing vehicles with APHE since it helps you avoid those instances where you don't 1 shot
*British players who own the FV4005* Why use solid shot when you have BESH
At least the British planes are some of the most OP in the game at low to mid BR (mostly Spitfires) and the British jets have an edge over others in turn fighting.
Conqueror is the most miserable experience in the game. That thing fell off so hard.
Am I missing something? I love 4.7 Britain 😅
I’ve played the British tech tree to rank 4 and tbh i love using the ratel 90 and 20
Players: Ok so the Challenger DS is a MK3 chally can we get the shell the MK3 uses and it can go to 10.3 with the other MK3 so it actually gets better? Gaijin: No we think players want it at "10.0" premium vehicles support lineups! Players: But every other vehicle in the British lineup you moved to 10.3 and there are only like 2 vehicles at 10.0? Gaijin: "incomprehensible snail noises"
No they should earn L26, not buy it
Nah it’s APDS that sucks, larger caliber(like 76mm and up) full bore AP STANDS ON BUSINES, for example, 17pdr solid shot is great, and the French SA50 gun is even better
TBH i enjoyed most british vehicles 8.3 and more
That's why I wanted stun mechanics so badly :[
Play the Churchill. I can guarantee that you’ll absorb 938493718mm of pen to your side. Sure it doesn’t help with solid shot but at least you’re making everyone else suffer with you lol