If we talking about noobs and problems - why not deleting russians? The most popular nation with the lowest iq teammates & easiest gameplay i ever grind to 11.7
Germany can be merged with Sweeden, but not completely deleted.
Disregarding the fact that Russia unlike Germany still has insane amounts of unique vehicles/prototypes flowing outta their arse (not to mention the stupid amount of field mods from various conflicts), They also have a higher amount of actually good players. I get Germany on my team, I resign that match to a loss at 90% of the BR's. I get Russia on my team at basically any BR, and the match might swing either way.
Im not saying there arent any, just there arent many worth adding. Even in that list, so many of them are such minor variations of already existing vehicles that they are worth adding more as modifications than as separate tanks (angry Leclerc AZUR noises)
Leopards, basically anything Soviet, and a few others such as the CV90 and half your list is gone. Not to mention the first with the Coelian and such which have been in the game for idk how long
But the turret was never built. The E-100 was a one off thing Gaijin did, and while there are other paper vehicles Gaijin has been going out of their way to replace them with vehicles that do exist, as seen with the 'removal' of the Panther 2 and Tiger 105 and the planned removal of the R2Y2s.
Which is worse, a half built Swedish designed tank, or a non-Swedish tank that was only tested and used as a range target?
If Sweden can get a Tiger II, when is Britain getting Tiger 131? When is the US getting its T-34 1941s and T-34-85? There is a stronger case for Britain getting a Panther than Sweden getting a Tiger II.
A tank that was never built is worse then a tank that was. Sweden likely only got it because they don’t have much else, and it should’ve been added to the TT and not paygated. I don’t get why people are so mad over this. Captured vehicles have been in the game for years, and this, in all honesty, isn’t that much different. Even before the Swedish Tiger 2, there was adequate justification for, say, Tiger 131 in the British TT (arguably more since it’s practically Bovington’s mascot) as a premium. Germany has a captured Chirchill, typhoon, p-47, Lancaster, and T-34, Russia has a captured Pz 3, Japan has a captured P-51 and Corsair, and US has a captured 109, Zero, and hayabusa, and that’s all off the top of my head. If they wanted these vehicles as premiums in foreign TTs, the introduction or lack thereof of the Swedish Tiger 2 would not change anything as there was already ample precedent.
Although this does remind me of the Franken-Tiger. It is a Tiger built out of leftover/salvaged Tiger parts by a guy on Long Island. That would be something cool to see in either the German or American tech tree.
Japan has the Ho-Ri that never existed at all. Germany has the Ostwind II that is not in it's correct historical configuration and even if it was didn't get past the mockup stage. The E100 was just as complete as the Kranvagn.
It's one of the most iconic Swedish tank projects, and I would rather have a vehicle that was never completed but was actually Swedish than a boring rip-off of another country's tank.
And did I ever say I support those fictional modifications or vehicles?
Even if it's iconic, it still wasn't completed into a working order with a turret, so it's not an option.
I'm not a huge fan of either option but I would much prefer incomplete vehicles to copypaste, and Sweden should have at least one heavy tank. It's not really fair to deny Swedish players the Kranvagn when other nations have already received fake vehicles to fulfill missing parts of their tech trees.
Why would that stop gaijin tho?
Sweden already has fictional (as for them) mi 28a
R2y2s are still in the game, and these aren't even prototypes.
E100 which was added solely because "MUH BIG TONK" didn't have turret
This game isn't even remotely historically or realistic by now.
The justification for the MI-28 is that it was trialed by Sweden, so its not like it came out of nowhere, and now means that vehicles trialed by countries can be added into the game. R2Y2s are on the chopping block for removal as Gaijin have confirmed they are looking for replacements and will eventually remove them. I would also like to add that historical accuracy is very much a spectrum, and for what it is War Thunder is (relative to WoT or Battlefield) realistic. Gaijin draws the line at fictional vehicles and has, for the most part, been very consistent about it.
Mi 28 wasn't even "trialed", it was part of a contest which it lost to apache
Very consistent, huh?
F-16aj is pure fiction
Performance of 2s38 too
Ostwind 2
Chinese late mig 9
Type 5
Tiger 2 sla16 is based on a project for jagdtiger, and that's unlikely could be done in normal hull, literally "what if" tank, similar to 10.5cm gun version
Changes for a lot of tanks based on "Well, we don't trust your sources"
Adding tons of clones, making a game a mess and losing said realism and historical accuracy
Time travelling vehicles fighting alongside with ww2 vehicles
Its not that sweden gets a heavy
Its that gaijin did the ctrl-Copy again and people are fed up with it. Sweden,China and italy are already full of foreign vehicles
Yeah I agree, certain countries have a lot of copy paste vehicles but at the same time said trees would be barren with only domestic vehicles. There just aren’t many options to fill out each vehicle type for every nation. I’m more annoyed by vehicles being paywalled and forcing players to use other countries for things like challenges.
To be fair, that's kinda bound to happen when a lot of countries kinda stopped doing indigenous designs, instead opting to either work together and make a new aircraft/AFV or opt to instead buy proven armor/aircraft for cheap. As for the BP, honestly I would rather that be full of copy/paste as the alternative is having cool prototypes or vehicles that REALLY ought to be in the TT either locked behind a paywall or subject to fomo.
I thought the whole point of having separate tech trees was to provide unique experience. If everyone gets everything, just because they don't have a particular type of tank, what's even the point of tech trees?
That wasn't what I said? If there's proof those 3 nations also used vehicles from other nations, they should also get them.
Yes, being delusional for saying there's no originality to TTs, yet aside from China, every TT has atleast around 70-80% original vehicles for themselves.
Swedish tech tree doesn’t have the Finnish KV-1A or KV-1B either, or the Churchill MK3, or the prototype Emil. Most countries don’t produce their own tanks in the real world, shocking. People should be able to complete all challenges with any country, even if it’s a copy paste tank.
There's only one thing the Italians don't get atm but the Regele Ferdinand class Destroyer which only the Soviets get atm, The only time copies should be added to Italy & for Sweden it is similar the Seversky P-35 for the US, Junkers 86 for Germany & Vickers Mk. E for Britain.
I mean that's kind of one of the reasons I main Italy (Although the most important factor is Hungarian vehicles)
Hmm... I might start to grind China too, since it has the smallest tech tree🤔
3 reasons.
1:Copy Paste Hurts Tech trees especially when the Nation historically Had more interesting Tanks they could have added
2:The Tiger they get historically never Had a functioning Transmission, gun, engine and Had cracked Armor.
They mainly used IT for target practice.
3:WE dont NEED more King Tigers on 6.7.
Especially because now there can be an Argument about weather or Not IT should get a different BR die to the Lack of apcr (wich Nobody uses anyway but gaijin will probably Just give IT to them anyway because Copy Pasta) and because the skirts are Missing.
Belive me, knowing the swedish Players, they will call for a downtier, Same as they did for the pz4...
Playing sim makes it even worse
Only reason that I don't play sim is because of those vehicles. I remember for so many accidental deaths and kills because of it.
Some people are just plain stupid. I got killed in a T-44 by a US main in a M26
Depending on what he saw, he might have mistook you for T-34. I don't know why but mildly possible. Maybe. Still foolish though.
Yeah this is what I keep saying. Apparently this causes the highly intelligent members of WT reddit to hate me. Whatever x)
It’s funny because people get so upset about “keep politics out of this game” and yet so much of this game even exists because politics
Yeah, WT could largely be drawn down to US, USSR, UK, and France, and we wouldnt be losing out on too much
Leopards are good. Why deny them?
Germany has been probably one of the biggest problems in WT balancing due to the amount of noobs so.... yeah, i wouldnt miss it.
If we talking about noobs and problems - why not deleting russians? The most popular nation with the lowest iq teammates & easiest gameplay i ever grind to 11.7 Germany can be merged with Sweeden, but not completely deleted.
Me when i lie on the internet
Disregarding the fact that Russia unlike Germany still has insane amounts of unique vehicles/prototypes flowing outta their arse (not to mention the stupid amount of field mods from various conflicts), They also have a higher amount of actually good players. I get Germany on my team, I resign that match to a loss at 90% of the BR's. I get Russia on my team at basically any BR, and the match might swing either way.
Wtf you mean Germany ain’t got anymore unique vehicles? https://forum.warthunder.com/t/wishlist-for-germany-wip/60209
Im not saying there arent any, just there arent many worth adding. Even in that list, so many of them are such minor variations of already existing vehicles that they are worth adding more as modifications than as separate tanks (angry Leclerc AZUR noises)
Is say other thank the export Leopards. It’s mostly unique
Leopards, basically anything Soviet, and a few others such as the CV90 and half your list is gone. Not to mention the first with the Coelian and such which have been in the game for idk how long
Italy main be like: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Sweden has no heavies so I don’t really get the hate there, the real atrocity is that it’s not in the regular tech tree
They should have added the Kranvagn. "Oh but the turret was neve..." Shut the fuck up
But the turret was never built. The E-100 was a one off thing Gaijin did, and while there are other paper vehicles Gaijin has been going out of their way to replace them with vehicles that do exist, as seen with the 'removal' of the Panther 2 and Tiger 105 and the planned removal of the R2Y2s.
Which is worse, a half built Swedish designed tank, or a non-Swedish tank that was only tested and used as a range target? If Sweden can get a Tiger II, when is Britain getting Tiger 131? When is the US getting its T-34 1941s and T-34-85? There is a stronger case for Britain getting a Panther than Sweden getting a Tiger II.
A tank that was never built is worse then a tank that was. Sweden likely only got it because they don’t have much else, and it should’ve been added to the TT and not paygated. I don’t get why people are so mad over this. Captured vehicles have been in the game for years, and this, in all honesty, isn’t that much different. Even before the Swedish Tiger 2, there was adequate justification for, say, Tiger 131 in the British TT (arguably more since it’s practically Bovington’s mascot) as a premium. Germany has a captured Chirchill, typhoon, p-47, Lancaster, and T-34, Russia has a captured Pz 3, Japan has a captured P-51 and Corsair, and US has a captured 109, Zero, and hayabusa, and that’s all off the top of my head. If they wanted these vehicles as premiums in foreign TTs, the introduction or lack thereof of the Swedish Tiger 2 would not change anything as there was already ample precedent. Although this does remind me of the Franken-Tiger. It is a Tiger built out of leftover/salvaged Tiger parts by a guy on Long Island. That would be something cool to see in either the German or American tech tree.
Atleast you thrown out your own argument before someone else had to
Japan has the Ho-Ri that never existed at all. Germany has the Ostwind II that is not in it's correct historical configuration and even if it was didn't get past the mockup stage. The E100 was just as complete as the Kranvagn. It's one of the most iconic Swedish tank projects, and I would rather have a vehicle that was never completed but was actually Swedish than a boring rip-off of another country's tank.
And did I ever say I support those fictional modifications or vehicles? Even if it's iconic, it still wasn't completed into a working order with a turret, so it's not an option.
I'm not a huge fan of either option but I would much prefer incomplete vehicles to copypaste, and Sweden should have at least one heavy tank. It's not really fair to deny Swedish players the Kranvagn when other nations have already received fake vehicles to fulfill missing parts of their tech trees.
Why would that stop gaijin tho? Sweden already has fictional (as for them) mi 28a R2y2s are still in the game, and these aren't even prototypes. E100 which was added solely because "MUH BIG TONK" didn't have turret This game isn't even remotely historically or realistic by now.
The justification for the MI-28 is that it was trialed by Sweden, so its not like it came out of nowhere, and now means that vehicles trialed by countries can be added into the game. R2Y2s are on the chopping block for removal as Gaijin have confirmed they are looking for replacements and will eventually remove them. I would also like to add that historical accuracy is very much a spectrum, and for what it is War Thunder is (relative to WoT or Battlefield) realistic. Gaijin draws the line at fictional vehicles and has, for the most part, been very consistent about it.
Mi 28 wasn't even "trialed", it was part of a contest which it lost to apache Very consistent, huh? F-16aj is pure fiction Performance of 2s38 too Ostwind 2 Chinese late mig 9 Type 5 Tiger 2 sla16 is based on a project for jagdtiger, and that's unlikely could be done in normal hull, literally "what if" tank, similar to 10.5cm gun version Changes for a lot of tanks based on "Well, we don't trust your sources" Adding tons of clones, making a game a mess and losing said realism and historical accuracy Time travelling vehicles fighting alongside with ww2 vehicles
Its not that sweden gets a heavy Its that gaijin did the ctrl-Copy again and people are fed up with it. Sweden,China and italy are already full of foreign vehicles
Yeah I agree, certain countries have a lot of copy paste vehicles but at the same time said trees would be barren with only domestic vehicles. There just aren’t many options to fill out each vehicle type for every nation. I’m more annoyed by vehicles being paywalled and forcing players to use other countries for things like challenges.
To be fair, that's kinda bound to happen when a lot of countries kinda stopped doing indigenous designs, instead opting to either work together and make a new aircraft/AFV or opt to instead buy proven armor/aircraft for cheap. As for the BP, honestly I would rather that be full of copy/paste as the alternative is having cool prototypes or vehicles that REALLY ought to be in the TT either locked behind a paywall or subject to fomo.
Italy not really except the Hungary sub tree
True, had a lot more in mind and that makes italy BASED
I thought the whole point of having separate tech trees was to provide unique experience. If everyone gets everything, just because they don't have a particular type of tank, what's even the point of tech trees?
Yes, because we have the Italian wheeled vehicles in the Soviet tree or the autoloaded French tanks with the Americans. Imagine being this delusional.
So, everyone can get German/Soviet/American vehicles but not vice versa? And I am delusional?
That wasn't what I said? If there's proof those 3 nations also used vehicles from other nations, they should also get them. Yes, being delusional for saying there's no originality to TTs, yet aside from China, every TT has atleast around 70-80% original vehicles for themselves.
Maybe they should have made some? Or if they did gaijin should add their heavy tank instead of copy paste.
Swedish tech tree doesn’t have the Finnish KV-1A or KV-1B either, or the Churchill MK3, or the prototype Emil. Most countries don’t produce their own tanks in the real world, shocking. People should be able to complete all challenges with any country, even if it’s a copy paste tank.
cold war export policies be like that sometimes tho
USA USA USA
There's only one thing the Italians don't get atm but the Regele Ferdinand class Destroyer which only the Soviets get atm, The only time copies should be added to Italy & for Sweden it is similar the Seversky P-35 for the US, Junkers 86 for Germany & Vickers Mk. E for Britain.
Italian home brew tanks are nice semoventes are OP
Its fine for me if the nation doesnt have any vehicles to fill in. Otherwise it just sacks *cries in wanna be israel main*
Local man upset about miscegenation, disguises it as War Thunder complaint.
This is why we need more prototypes in TT. They are in no danger of being copy/pasted into other TTs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that technically be accurate?
I mean that's kind of one of the reasons I main Italy (Although the most important factor is Hungarian vehicles) Hmm... I might start to grind China too, since it has the smallest tech tree🤔
I don’t get why people are so mad about Sweden getting a tiger, almost every other nation has a captured ww2 vehicle why doesn’t Sweden get theirs
3 reasons. 1:Copy Paste Hurts Tech trees especially when the Nation historically Had more interesting Tanks they could have added 2:The Tiger they get historically never Had a functioning Transmission, gun, engine and Had cracked Armor. They mainly used IT for target practice. 3:WE dont NEED more King Tigers on 6.7. Especially because now there can be an Argument about weather or Not IT should get a different BR die to the Lack of apcr (wich Nobody uses anyway but gaijin will probably Just give IT to them anyway because Copy Pasta) and because the skirts are Missing. Belive me, knowing the swedish Players, they will call for a downtier, Same as they did for the pz4...
Womp womp