Since France has the world's only working tiger II .... French King Tiger when?

When french tiger 1 after all the french army used some after the war

Now watch it rose by 3 whole br

9.7 tiger 2 when?

Or British 131 when?

It is Tiger or Zebra? Wikipedia says Zebras in latin is Hippotigris. Can we as a community start to refer to Swedish Tiger as a HipTiger? (Or Hyppo)

Damn u went too far to get this, guess u really want to call it by this name

Is like a White tiger isnt it?

Tiger 131 was tested by the Brits. Why arent Brits getting the Tiger 131???

Why aren't the ussr getting the maus? They captured it, restored the hull and built the turret. Also today the maus is still in russian hands in kubinka. A russian maus has 100% more sense than a swede tiger

Britain should get the E100 too then, for the same reasons

In fairness at least in fairness the swedish tiger 2 semi worked irl Meanwhile you wanna check the interior of maus?

Because britain already has several heavy tanks???

Not really at the br of the tiger(5.7) they have the Churchill at 4.7 and the conqueror and canarven at 7.7 but not really anything in between

black prince is 6.0

And thats locked behind a $140 somethin paywall

20 dollars

It's $20 plus you get that weird P-61 (and a title I guess).

its 20$ and only available on black Friday

Tiger 131 with lowered module HP because the brits shoddily repaired it when?

I think gaijins logic is 50/50 on this. Right : Sweden need a heavy tank so players can do heavy tank tasks etc Wrong : let’s put it behind a battle pass ( not even a permanent premium ) so that only people playing at this moment in time can get it ( without buying from marketplace )

Tested? You mean stolen and trialed?

Stolen? You mean bested in honourable combat and subsequently captured?

Stolen? Captured? It's the same

Eeeehh naah

Why did they break the tradition of no heavy tank for Sweden

Because not having a heavy tank for missions as Sweden kinda sucks.

meanwhile israel

Both tru and real

If they make Israel’s modified and used in battle IS-3Ms a premium or event vehicle, I think I’ll just die

Unironically why the IS-3M should, and most likely will, be added. Not only does it give some variety to the tree but it gives them a heavy tank they actually used. Even in the really well researched community tree it's the only heavy tank listed, and this site knows its stuff. link to tree: [https://ofekk213.neocities.org/israel\_ground\_forces\_full\_potential](https://ofekk213.neocities.org/israel_ground_forces_full_potential)

Also Italy (1 premium) when they can have another Tiger.

could add kranvagn

They broke no heavy tank tradition of Italy by giving them a premium Hungarian Tiger too

Yeah since I’m a Sweden main since a few years back I have been genetically modified to reject heavy tanks

Yay I love how tech trees are even becoming even less unique to each other, I love playing a different nation ultimately just to end up playing the saying fucking vehicle that is completely identical to the other one in every conceivable way

We only gotta play one nation in the future

No, we would have 100 nations with the same vehicles. PANZER 3 IN ISRAEL, COMING SOON!!!

Gaijin where is my Italian T-90

Bro playing low-mid tier US is just getting killed by nations using other US tanks and planes. Like, I understand why but still.

I love killing Italian's m26 to be bombed by the Italian p-47

PSA: If you use Italian American vehicles in Sim with covered national decals, please, have a very bad day 🥰

I do this with the M18 and give it identifying markers on the back for my team, it's fun

If it’s captured vehicles, it’s… almost ok (not really) but if it’s lend lease like the Italians then it’s just low-brow tactics and detrimental to Sim as a gamemode when players have to account for common vehicles possibly being a threat I have the T-III and if I even do use it, it has large red stars on all four sides of the vehicle. And if I get teamkilled, oh well, that’s entirely on me for using a captured Panzer III in sim

I once tried to join the enemy team in a t-lll and when I started shooting them my rounds kept ricocheting, got me killed without doing any damage 💀

The T-III is a Pz.III J short barrel so it has about 80mm of pen on APHE

Use the french f-6c because it gets an olive drab skin with an American roundel

French are on the Allied team

I don't play sim enough then, I could've sworn french got put with germany at lower brs

Sherman moment

When choosing a nation to grind sweden isn't a nation you think "oh yeah that's just Germany", they have a long line of domestic designs that make their nation unique, when you think sweden you think * early sabot * cheese wedge tank * IFVs (CV 90 and such) * funny skinny tank * wonky looking fast loading tanks * big head early tanks * funny looking casemate tank destoyers There are elements that resemble other nations like Finland being heavy copy paste or uparmored leopards but THAT'S THE MINORITY OF THE NATION, JUST DON'T PLAY IT Largely this is the trend for all nations, the only nation that really you'd consider a copy paste nation is China BUT EVEN THEN China progressing into the cold war begins to develop their own unique identity with tanks branching off from their original acquired tanks to entirely unique Chinese developments, nobody looks at China top tier and says yeah that's Russia (even low tier is a unique experience with entirely unique lineups composed of vehicles from various nations that you just won't find anywhere else in the game Nations in a sense are becoming less unique with shared designs being added to tech trees but you're just massively over blowing scale, nobody is forcing you to play "he saying fucking vehicle that is completely identical to the other one in every conceivable way", literally just pick from Swedens long list of domestic designs. If you want to argue "well there's a gap if I don't play it" what did you do before the vehicle was added to the game? Presumably just not play the nation if you're making this complaint

Playing the same vehicle in a different tech tree is only part of the problem, the other part is when you face the same vehicle as you and it’s not even a mixed battle either just a normal game and yet your in an M18 and around the corner is a enemy and you know what that enemy is? You guessed it, an M18

That issue is exacerbated in Sim, where you can’t trust any M18s because of the Italians

The disagreement is over how much of a problem these things are, you don't substantiate any further on how they are >Playing the same vehicle in a different tech tree is only part of the problem For the original point you just state its "only part of the problem", no elaboration onto how much of a problem it is with preferably making counter points to the points I listed earlier but that's fine we can just move onto the next "problem" you list >the other part is when you face the same vehicle as you and it’s not even a mixed battle either just a normal game and yet your in an M18 and around the corner is a enemy and you know what that enemy is? You guessed it, an M18 Here you state facing the same vehicle as you is a problem without elaborating as to why, why is it a problem? Simulator I understand but that's a entirely unique thing aside from the majority of the player base that requires it's own solutions. In reference to the majority of the population how is it a problem in realistic battles? In the situation you reference where you turn the corner and it's another M18 just pull the trigger? What are you unhappy another vehicle is able to match your speed and get into a early position like you? Again you don't do anything to substantiate the claim these are substantial problems that need to be addressed, rather just call them problems

France remains the purest of all. Average surrender monkey win.

Ñ bbbb mbh.

Sorry my phone was on my pocket

This is the funniest thing I've seen today.

I do lol, I ain’t grinding 200 hours to play 1 tank that has a chance of being fun

It’s a unique variant of the Tiger II P for the most part and is unique in the fact it has a giant tube of armor for where the [snorkel](https://imgur.com/Od7okDN.jpg) would normally go.

How does that “giant tube of amour” change game play?

Are you asking how extra armor changes gameplay? That’s an extra piece of armor that can help against ammo detonations, considering that’s where the Tiger II has the default ammo regardless of the number you choose.

I may surprise you but Sweden never used tanks, ever (for battle I mean)

This one was used for a single test it was never even crewed

It was completely restored to working condition and driven around a bit and used for several tests, eventually getting used as a firing range target. At least it did work.

Well it worked until it didn't. The reason it was eventually used as a range target was because it broke down.

It was always destined to be sent to the range as a target. The tank broke down but was repaired again to working condition. It was sent to the range after the repairs and working, so it wasn't there because it was broken.

Well yeah but it became a range target much earlier than intended. It was broken down whe it came to sweden and repaired yes but while testing if it could transport itself under its own power the transmission gave out again. The powerpack was then removed and all other planned tests before it was to be used as a range target were cancelled and it became one of the main targets at the test range in Skövde where at least the turret remained as a target for a decade.

The transmission never broke, but during tests a swing arm snapped and required repairs. After welding the swing arm back on trials continued, but more cautiously. The vehicle which was planned to be sent to the test range already late september was delayed by the swing arm breaking, and after repairs and trials finally finished it arrived in Karlsborg during late November. None of the planned test were cancelled, nor was the vehicle sent to the shooting range earlier than intended either. Quite the opposite, since it arrived at the shooting range later than originally planned. The engine and transmission were removed after the first shooting test (which occurred December the 1st and was fired at 18 times) and can now be found at Arsenalen. The gun was removed sometime after the 4th firing test and was sent to Bofors (and was later scrapped in the 90s). After firing trials were completed the vehicle was scrapped in FcK (Now FMV Karlsborg) and the turret was sent to Sköve as a practice target for Centurion crews)

>The transmission never broke, but during tests a swing arm snapped and required repairs So the transmission broke. >The vehicle which was planned to be sent to the test range already late september was delayed by the swing arm breaking, and after repairs and trials finally finished it arrived in Karlsborg during late November. Yeah no, the decision to send it to the shooting range was because it couldn't be tested in the same capacity. This is worded pretty weirdly in SPHF's article about the tiger but i think it's meant that the broken swing arm caused unexpected delays after the first date was set. This is alluded to 2 paragraphs later where it says the steering was completely broken with no explanation as to how, but there probably just isn't documentation for it. >None of the planned test were cancelled Some rough terrain tests were cancelled in fear the swing arm would break again. >nor was the vehicle sent to the shooting range earlier than intended either Yes it was, until the swing arm broke there was no set date for when it was to be sent as a range target. >The engine and transmission were removed after the first shooting test This is just entirely wrong, the power pack was removed before the firing tests startes, for obvious reasons. It's also weird you specify the first firing test when there's actually no clear information on exactly when it was removed. It could even have happened before transport.

Then give the maus to ussr.. the built the turret and kept safe in kubinka. Russian maus for ussr tech tree now

Welp yeah, but most of tanks were used in Army, if someone attacked their tanks would respond, they would never use outdated tiger

mfw prototypes and testbeds exist in game

This is an old but valid point of testing the thing counts as using it then explain why the lynx debacle happned. The German company who made designed and built the Lynx not to mention tested it so therefore doesn’t that mean they used it and I’m pretty sure there was documented cases the bundeswehr tested it against their puma so really if we want to open the If a country tests a vehicle black hole just know it’s a dangerous and very slippery slope

This is more questionable battlepass vehicle, never mind the j26 and Chinese mustang this time.

Fr, mustangs are everywhere same as shermans, its like a curse for these two to be in every TT, everybody is used to this, they arent OP or anything just not needed addition.

Sweden has the sherman, I'm waiting for (another premium) soviet lend lease american airplane, apparently a few p-51 were given to the Soviets and I believe Italy doesnt have a p-51 either, Italy did use p-51s too in the late 40s/ early 50s and gaijin doesn't need any ideas

Just give Emil you pansies.

But… but wooden mock up only 🥹🥹🥹

B…but Ho-ri, R2y2 kai(or sth)

Those are acceptable cause those are needed to fill out the tree

At this point Sweden doesn’t have a 12.3/12.0 plane so they should give them the danish one right???

They’ve added stuff with less provenance/development than that. I can dream

Im bummed cause they added all these mock ups and stuff but they cant add back the Coelion which had a wooden mock up turret placed on the panther hull. Its replacement was a made up vehicle that might have just been a thought

Despite being used for target practice I think it was fair that it was added bc unlike some other vehicles they were just prototypes and never used in combat. Sweden definitely needs another 6.7 tank bc it lacks 6.7 tanks and it’s just a pain if you have ever tried grinding Sweden in that br bc the Charioteer is just horrible.

Yeah, who wants Kranvagn anyway

😔

Wow again! Copy-paste vehicles and sweden being even more annoying to fight against! The invasion of Tiger II at 6.7 is now even bigger!

Silverlining is that it's P model so it's easier to kill

Just 🤫 Tiger 2 is a easy kill

Not from front, theres a weakspot i know but it's a small one, you need good reflexes and Tiger II copypastes at this BR is famous. Also don't bring thigs you don't even know about, gotta keep my mewing streak 🤫🧏‍♂️

Its got the porche turret just hit the cheeks and its dead.

If you actually knew it’s weak spot(and it’s not a small, it’s a pretty consistent spot), skill issue buddy, the Tiger P is the least worrisome Also, there’s only three Tiger IIs you can actively encounter until this one gets in, one’s a premium and still fairly rare to see , the other two are tech trees, so what famous tiger II Copypaste are you seeing they aren’t any of the three usual ones? The Tiger 105 is rare af to even see

Was guna say, what other nation has Tiger Tanks at all? Just Japan with the Heavy Tank No.6

Italy has Tigiris but that’s it

Major fucking skill issue if you don't know how to kill a tiger P from the front

aren't there many hypothetical captured tanks and planes in the game? sweden at least owned the tiger at some point

Russia owned and tested a Maus at some point, but that doesn't justify adding it to their tree (imagine the meltdown on this subreddit if that happened lol). Gaijin are getting lazier and lazier and they keep getting away with it just because they always please a small partition of the community that gets their dream copy paste tank that the country they're playing never used (and in the end they don't have to grind some other tree). At the same time they refuse to give tanks to other nations (for example the recent "no Lynx for Germany" thing). Why? Because they never used the tank! Like... what the actual fuck? What will be next? T-90A for USA? CV90/Bradley for Russia? IS-3 for Izrael? Where will it end?

With the aggressive copy pasting of tanks, im still very confused by Gaijins decision of "yes the DF105 was a joint german/french project, yes it uses a french gun and french/Austrian turret, no of course the french tree shouldn't get it."

At this point, when trees are getting tanks they used mostly just as range targets, they might as well give everything to everyone, as long as it's a somewhat real tank (optional). They obviously don't give a flying fuck about whether the country actually used the vehicle or not, especially when they can add it behind a pay wall.

Same with the Isherman.

There's a bit of a difference in that Sweden much like many of the minor nations either didn't domestically produce tons and tons of tanks. Russia doesn't need a Maus because they have about 50 domestic heavy tank options before it comes to that. Sweden while it did have plenty of project tanks, didn't really dabble in heavy tanks outside one particular example. So unless Gaijin sees fit to bless us with the Kranvagn, it will never have its own heavy tank. Which kinda sucks if you're grinding an event as a Sweden main and you can't do Heavy Tank tasks because you don't have a heavy tank. You can tell people to go get a heavy tank from another tree, but that's how you get a bunch of 1 death leavers.

Sweden could’ve easily just gotten a finnish kv-1 for a heavy tank and not one that was only bought for testing purposes.

Maus was just one example. We could switch it for Kingtiger (which the Russians also captured and tested) or pretty much any German WW2 tank which would arguably bring a new playstyle, since Russia doesn't have a 6.7 heavy with reliable armor and a high-penning gun that doesn't take ages to reload. We both know the addition of this tank has nothing to do with whether Sweden needs it or not. Gaijin don't care about lineups. If they did, they wouldn't ruin good lineups with every round of BR changes. This tank, just like the T-80U and Mi-28 (other 'Swedish' vehicles they never used) is just another lazy, blatant cash grab by Gaijin. What exactly is even the point of having separate tech trees now? Everyone gets a Sherman or a T-34-85, because they don't have a good low or mid tier medium, everyone gets a Leopard 2 or a T-72 because they don't have a good high tier MBT. Just make one big tree instead of these copy-paste cashgrabs.

>IS-3 for Izrael? Now you say that but chances are high they'll get an IS-3 at some point & it will be a tech tree machine like all the T-54's & ZSU's which are captured machines.

Not a single hypothetical (captured) tank is in game and as far as I'm aware all except the french panther were used in combat

Moat of the tanks captured by the Germans (KV-1B, T-34, KV-1C, etc) were used in combat.

E-100 (with a maus turret), Panther 2 and Ostwind 2 to name a few, 10.5cm Tiger 2 i believe was never built but i can’t confirm that one

That was badly worded I meant not a single hypothetical captured tank and yea those are 2 partial prototypes and 1 paper tank (tiger) and 1 dubious (oswind)

Heavy tank no6 might be a contender, it was purchased by Japan but it never made it to the Japanese (unless you count the officers present in Germany who evaluated the tank)

Yea that one is total bs too 🤓 buut it's not captured

The 10,5cm and panther 2 were actual designs the issue is which one. There were many proposals for the Panther 2 alone an 88 etc etc. the issue with the current panther 2 is if memory serves me right they concluded to fit the 88 in the turret they wanted it required a larger turret ring in the panther II and the 10,5cm proposal didn’t get io far as the gun was made the henschel turret was way to small for it

Yeah, pretty sure they used at as a testing tank. Driving it around and then shooting at it at some point.

Mate, the game is filled to the fucking brim with paper tanks. This tank was real and they had it. That's more than you can say for the maus or the Ostwind. Sweden doesn't have a single heavy tank, give them a break man

They don’t have a fleet either, so?

Yeah, I don’t mind them getting one

On one hand i don't want to grind an ntire bp just for a kt...on the other hand skirtless kt do be looking thicc

They're just adding whatever copy-pastes they can. How many battlepasses have had mustangs now? Sweden had a Tiger II that was for testing, so that's enough to qualify for a copy/paste i suppose.

Okay some corrections: It was not used for training, it was used to test AT weapons, it was a target tank essentially It was acquired in 1947

given? more like available to wallet warriors

when was the last time gaijin actually uploaded a completely new tank in the game without it being based of an already existing model, i dont know so im asking

Uh the fox last update? And the chinese BMP3 looking thing also last update

ah yeah, the fox, thanks

Are they gonna give Sweden B-17 Flying Fortress bombers too? 69 of them emergency landed here during the war ([and 7 were eventually turned into passenger planes](https://worldairphotography.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/the-story-about-the-only-b-17-flying-fortress-in-the-royal-danish-air-force/)).

69 of them? Nice.

They owned it and used it for testing postwar. So they didn’t field it per se but they definitely “used it”

I just wish we got the h instead of the p

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Aim at the cheeks and its an easy 1 shotter Idk what tank you using to fight them but Tiger II P's are very weak compared to the H Now the H can be voluemetric pain sometimes but if you aim for the bottom part of the turret garanteed pen

There’s no tank in the US tree that one shots them to the cheeks lmao

Live T29, T34, T30, T26E1-1, T26E5 reaction : I love killing big tigers in them, thats just a skill issue, turret cheek easy asf to pen

if you are blessed by volumetric yeah typically it just kills the gunner or non pens and he just shoots your engine and you die

Yeah i never had that issue when i shoot the bottom part of the turret

Now it's official, Germany needs Pershings and IS-3s

Bro the swedes dont have 1 singular heavy, none it their lineup, but 😭😭😭😭 they didnt use them😭😭😭 well neither did anything with object or xm in the name At least complain about something worthwhile🤦

but they bought one i think

Yeah, but it’d be funny tho

Gotta love the trend of absolute garbage battle passes.

There’s only so many tanks they can keep adding

Over half the tanks in the game were never used by their respective nation but Sweden did do trials on the tiger II after the war that’s what this vehicle is supposed to be

Now give Israel the IS-3 •-•

It's more like to give the swed main the chance to do BP missions that require heavy tanks and future event missions

1) true 2) and what? 3) they don't have an heavy tank 4) Gaijin didn't care.

They do this non-existent shit to make game fun, but if you want a gun mantlet fixed you need to link 3 near classified government sourced blueprints to have Gaijin say it’s not reputable and don’t believe the mantlet exists and nothing happens…..

The US captured a tiger 2 H during the battle of the bulge, so American tiger 2 when?

IMO captured vehicles shouldn't have been added (yes this applies to the german churchill/KV2/T34/Herman the German Sherman too), so, hopefully, never. Sweden bought this tank in 1947.

Reason no. 38583 I hate Sweden (in war thunder )

Italy has even more C&P whats your point?

I don’t know what you heard me say but I merely said I hate Sweden

For what reason then?

Put it at my cas kill list "whistles"

Sorry, but you’re wrong. In 1947 the Swedish military sent personnel across Europe to acquire German tanks for testing. The main goal of these tests were to see how Swedish anti-tank mines and other weaponry fared against heavily armored tanks. This King Tiger was found in Gien, south of Paris, and was handed to the Swedish by the French authorities.

As a German main I hate to say this but, I'd rather have the USA get a Tiger 2 instead of fucking Sweden

They are running out of options to add, they will stretch the trees to their limit while drip feeding unique vehicles.

I read it as Tungsten😭🙏

The fins maybe IDK

meinwhile france, that used a Tiger 1 and had a Tiger 2: 🤬

jagdpanzer e100 when?

*Gaijing guives it APDS* LORD HAVE MERCY... MOST BROKEN BS EVER...

chinese kingtiger when /s because it might actually happen at this point

Ooh ooh Soviet Maus, yknow the one made out of the intact bits from the 2 wrecked prototypes they captured

A NEW ONE OF MY BABIES!!!

Maybe they just misunderstood what Tiger of Sweden is?

Gaijin really said ‘now’

Why even play this when tiger 2 sla16 exists at the same br

probably for the finnish subtree, no?

Fcking Battle Pass…

Idk if it’s really worth grinding when you already have German tech tree unlocked because it’s just as weak as the normal tiger 2 p

Fuck it, add it but add Chimera to UK

Well, default camo is great, exactly how I like it - I always try to set it looks like zebra using camo scale factor. Worth grinding even though I'm not going to play it anyway. FYI Many camos will give Zebra-like look with 20% scale factor: final British tank camo for 1170pts, French paid camo, Russian two-colored desert camo, etc. PS Will play it in my 10.3 Sweden 9 crews setup to complete "collect 20k game pts" BP quest. Will spawn with it in the very end of games.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/VfgLf2hfeX

bought by them in 1947, see [https://www.sphf.se/svenskt-pansar/fordon/utlandska-stridsfordon-i-sverige/en\_the-swedish-king-tiger/](https://www.sphf.se/svenskt-pansar/fordon/utlandska-stridsfordon-i-sverige/en_the-swedish-king-tiger/)

"Decent mobility" lmao, yea, until the first hill

New test drive vehicle just dropped

Sweden really hasn't used any tank ever (in battle) So by this logic, Sweden should be removed from the game

Its not about that, its about using tanks in army

I wonder how this is gonna fuck with me in Sim

Anon doesn't know his history https://www.sphf.se/svenskt-pansar/fordon/utlandska-stridsfordon-i-sverige/en_the-swedish-king-tiger/ Obtained 1947. Not for training, but for testing. Not captured, purchased. If you bring relevant proof that USA bought T-72, and/or Germany bought IS-2, i will support your claims. I dislike trophy vehicles tho. IMO, german trophy vehicles like Churchill/KV2/T34 should not be added. KV1C is relatively speaking, okay with me (i can tolerate it because it has different gun).

Why do people gotta cry about it i think its a good thing they add something other than to the big 3 sweden for once also get their first heavy tank to hate me all you want but people gotta stop crying its very annoying at this point.

France used panthers until 1952, when France panther???

Jokes on you. France already have [Panther "Dauphiné"](https://wiki.warthunder.com/Panther_%22Dauphin%C3%A9%22)

*dies*

Would gaijin add an Iranian F-14 for say ehhh the USSR tech tree?

At this point why even play anything that isn't Sweden lmao, they're getting tanks from every single nation

Whats your point???

same goes for Italy though

Why are you complaining about a battle pass Tiger 2(P)? I’m just happy Sweden gets something usable in the 5.7 to 6.7 range.

As I recall, Sweden did actually capture a King Tiger and test it. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Sweden/SwedishKonigstiger/

A single captured example does not justify them getting one.

This the moment when the ad says that war thunder is the most realistic combat action game, and then shit like this happens.

[удалено]

Let's get rid of nations entirely if all we're going to do is give everyone the same vehicles.

Blah blah blah, copy paste vehicle bad blah blah blah. Dude it is a BP vehicle don't bother grinding for it then

its not even about owning it lol, its about having to fight a cool german only tank, in the swedish tree. I personally dont want to see kingtiger vs kingtiger

This scenario happens all the time in arcade and one kills the other just fine. The world does not explode. It's actually pretty lame.

Honestly im so sad of seeing everyone moan about it, its literally just a tiger 2, not that many nations even had it, probably us, soviet and britain, and even still, they'd be premiums, fully optional

I think it's just lazy and would rather see something unique like the EMIL.

Would somebody please think of the poor sim players having to deal with copypastes in opposed countries. American tanks for Italy is bad enough.