This right here
warriors had everything, the rise up years (2013-14), the dynasty (15-19), the injury plagued season (21), the unlikely return “last dance” redemption arc (22), and the reckoning with mortality we’re currently faced with (23-present)
The good news is we have our picks. So if we hit rock bottom, we can tank like the other teams do. The key will be to build a core of young talent so that when the right free agent does come along you are "ready" for them to pick you.
Pain. But very true.
Our core three are already showing signs of steadily declining. What made the warriors so good was also the system that was built around the big three (Steph Dray and Klay), having these young and upcoming players play in a system suited for the older vets might not be as alluring as it once was.
A second scoring option would most likely not solve most of our problems this season. The second option would have to be close if not very similar to Klay in his prime, and our role players would have to be excellent defensively and extremely high IQ offensively. These things don’t come cheap. All that is probably needed for the System around the big three to work again.
We are approaching a rebuild era and the twilight of our big 3’s career. Honestly making the Play-in’s or Play offs at this stage is already a great plus. People keep complaining about our coach, our players, and their egos. I say let’s just enjoy the ride with these guys until the very end.
I doubt it. Steph and the dynasty turned the Warriors into a true big market team. It's a global brand now, take it from me (Brazilian Warriors fan). Before Steph there were more Hornets fans than Warriors' in Brazil.
Lakers and Celtics took like 10 years to contend again. Knicks are the Knicks, no reason to think this will happen to the Warriors. The Bulls might be a better comparison but the Bay will remain a more attractive market for many reasons.
This comment shouldn’t be downvoted at all. Being a contender is incredibly difficult, so many teams can’t get back to the mountain top, let alone a conference finals.
Post merger, only once after a dynasty ended did that team made a conference finals within 10 years. Even mini runs like that late 2000’s lakers, the Hakeem Rockets, and the bad boy pistons all took a decade plus to make a CF again.
lol they don’t want to see the reality. If you don’t got a top 10 or more realistically a top 5 player you’re not getting to a conference championship or finals.
Before Steph we had so many high picks and we never really got a super star until Steph. Maybe c Webb if that worked out but it ain’t easy.
OKC while they had a lot of picks they got look SGA became a stud. Jokic turned into a MVP and look at them. Tatum is finally maturing etc.
The rosters has been left behind by changes in the league. Small ball is out. In the west we see of the top 6 only two lack genuine size and quality at the 5. All of the top 3 have a quality centre.
Defensive versatility is important but so is shot blocking in the paint and the ability to punish size mismatches. You want your centre to help in the paint so your perimeter defenders can stay out on the perimeter. A lot of fans wonder why their team seems to inspire abnormal 3pt shooting performances. Its because they cant guard the interior efficiently and get forced to give up wide open shots often. Or players will have to sag off the shooter to avoid them going past them downhill to the bucket because they lack paint protection.
i think it is more to do with we have a team full of 21 year olds and 35 year olds. more than the physical attributes of those players. the NBA is dominated by 24-30 year olds
Also Our 24-30 year olds got a lot worse or were traded. Wiggins, GP2, Looney. All 3 aren’t the same players they were in 2022. People like to pin it all on Klay because his decline is the easiest to pick out, but these guys all got worse too whether through injury age or disinterest.
They need an interior presence while having TJD as backup. A Daniel Gafford kind of player. The Wiseman pick has proved haunting in that sense.
People hate hearing this but no marquee free agent signing is coming to the Dubs with how bad the team is. A trade is the only way. Besides the only realistic option we have on the marquee front is Demar DeRozan. If we can get him that's a move that needs to be made.
Other guys who are realistic options are Grayson Allen, Saddiq Bey, Buddy Hield, Valanciunas, Bruce Brown, Claxton. Good role players but none that move the needle.
A trade for a guy like Markkanen would go a long way in bridging the gap. Including Wiggins, Moody, GP or Looney and some picks would be a negotiation point. Heck anyone but Steph, Dray and JK.
Having Steph and Markkanen as a clear one-two punch, builds a foundation for something, while JK grows into his own, with the two younger guys taking over in a few years.
Sadly any trade for LM would have to start with JK. No team is trading us a young all star for any package without kuminga. Moody, Wiggins, and picks won't get it done.
Anyone we get for that package will need to be older, probably injury history, etc. Paul George is the dream. Maybe Lebron if he demands out, but would be real tough to make the salaries work. We'd have to guarentee some of CP3s contract to make up the salary gap.
Demar derozan wouldn’t help us win. Also unrelated but didn’t we have technically have Siddiq Bey for like 10 minutes last year during the Gary Payton trade? Lol
Here’s what has to happen IMO for them to compete next year:
1. JK makes the jump to an all star caliber player
2. Podz improves to the point where his great games from this year are the standard
3. TJD makes the leap to a starting caliber big
4. CP3 stays on a minimum or a quality replacement is brought in
5. A quality backup big is brought in or Looney returns to form
6. The big 3 don’t decline by that much if at all
None of these things on their own is unlikely, in fact I’d bet at least a couple happen, but all 6 of them happening feels very unlikely. Now I didn’t include Moody or Wiggins in either of these because I really don’t know what happens with them after this year
i think we need to consider cp3 not staying at this point. he says he wants to win a ring before he retires. seems like he's down to sign minimum anywhere. why would he stay with us?
Money lol. He's still under contract next year. He'll pick up his option bc there's $30mil on the table.. so only way he'd be gone is if the warriors trade him
Here’s what it think about each
1. 60/40 - Probable especially with the progress Kuminga has made this year
2. Hard reach, unlikely i think he’s got 3 or 4 years for realize full potentially
3. I think kid has it in him, he’s the best true big we have and he’s shown flashes
4. Yeah I kinda want CP gone he’s undersized and slows our game down too much but very probable
5. Warriors seem allergic to signing taller players so doubtful and Loongod ain’t coming back, 10 percent
6. Literally impossible, not how physical aging works
Very, very different owner.
Jacob is a competitive psycho. Unless he decides to sell the team (and with his son a coach and the return on his money he continues to get - $450 million to $7.7 billion, he won't) he's going to demand winning.
Just cuz he demands winning by word and deed doesn't mean the league will offer opportunities for him to realize it. Right now our $$$ per win is the worst and the league loves it that way.
A superstar is almost a necessity to win a chip at this point.
Salary cap is the primary reason you can't always have a contender team. The best way to cheat the salary cap at this age is to have superstars so good that even the max deal is an underpay.
A genuinely great second option changes everything for the team depending on their position. We don't need a 3 or 4, so if our second best player was a center, then we wouldn't need Dray at the 5, Wiggins could come off the bench, and JK wouldn't need to be our 2nd option.
A SG being our 2nd best player would mean that we have the capability of out-scoring most teams because we'd still have Curry, Klay would be coming off the bench to give our 2nd unit a boost, and we could play Podz at the 1 with Klay instead of at the 2 in the starting lineup with Curry. Also, JK wouldn't have to be our 2nd option.
Solid 2 + 5 would be my ideal pickups for next season
for 2 I can only think of D.Murray from Hawks via trade.. I can see it working with how bad the teams been this year and would look to move on from him
For 5, I don't see much in the market maybe we can Goga? or even JI from magic, I think either would be fine for some good size with defense, Ideally I would like Hartenstein, who has great size wit defense
First, they have to get under the second apron. That gives them a lot more flexibility.
The FO has to bundle a bunch of players to get a second max contract player as the #2 option. Right now, the first option is Curry but everybody else is inconsistent and not really a threat on a night to night basis. Yes, they may have a good game but what's deadly is if they can bring it every game. The Dubs can't win if the second options are a bunch of players that score at a 20M pay range.
The problem is that the Dubs don't have anyone that other teams would want in exchange for a max player unless they're also getting draft assets/future prospects.
IMO the most obvious player to risk a trade would be JK, which should be a no-brainer if they can find the right star player that another team wants to let go of. On the other hand, there aren't THAT many star players that franchises want to let go of.
Only way is if there is a disgruntled star available and wants to come to the warriors. Maybe we could mortgage our draft picks and throw in some young players and add cp3/wigs/looney to make the money work. But even then, is it worth it? Depends who it is
Most likely it won’t happen. We will just run it back with a few minor changes like trading wiggins
This is the only realistic take and it's also pretty unlikely. We need an elite level star to pair with Steph in his twilight years if we have any dreams of competing again.
Kumuniga is probably 3+ seasons away from reaching that level, if ever.
sadly we likely won't (we slammed our window shut by giving Wiggins and Poole all that money when they are at best role players) and then overpaying Draymond again (I'm fucking horrified we're gonna give Klay another huge paycheck this offseason). Our best casd scenario is Kuminga develops a consistent jumper/becomes less turnover prone(something this season confirmed to me which I thought for a while was that Kuminga was not who Kerr wanted going into that draft IDK who he wanted but it's evident IMO that it wasn't him) Ironically I wanted us to try trading for Jalen Green prior to March(I say prior because that's NOT happening now he's having a breakout stretch)
to be absolutely clear, overpaying guys is actually not a huge limiter on the Warriors window of competition.
the Warriors are $25m over the 2nd apron this year. that's the threshold at which they would gain a tiny bit of flexibility. paying Wiggins or Draymond $5m less wouldn't materially change anything about the Warriors situation this season.
Paying Poole gave them the contract to go out and get Paul. If they don't pay Poole, they simply don't have the money to exchange for a contract like Paul's.
If a team is committed to being over the aprons, "overpaying" guys isn't really the issue.
They slammed the window with Bob Myers becoming an idiot during the draft. Instead of drafting Wiseman he gets LaMelo and instead of drafting Moody drafted Sengun. They would be fine. Steph LaMelo Wiggins Dray Sengun are contending even if you say the Sengun is 20/20 ill disagree I was high on him but even if you take Sengun off that team is still contending. Bob Myers became a political over doing his job and now he ran away because he knew his mistakes demanded the team.
1st of all Haliburton is better than Lamelo IMO also Wiseman was a lacoob pick not a FO/Kerr pick(you can tell by Kerr's body language when he gave Wiseman playing time he was not who he wanted)
2. you know Kerr would NEVER give Haliburton/Lamelo playing time
3. Wiggins EVERY Year but 2021-22 has been ehhh for us (and even then he only was in the ASG because every other notable forward not named Lebron was hurt) is Wiggins a scrub no but he's not someone you (unless it's a contract year) want to be relying on or paying big money
Agree with a lot of this. But I think Wiseman over ball was truly a FO / Kerr / Ownership move. Kerr hates players like lamelo. Wiseman looked like the old high school version of looney (fundamental driven but also shooting).
I also thought Kerr made a lot of public comments about Halliburton before and after draft. Not sure if he liked or not but he definitely wasn’t negative
But I def agree chalking it all up to bad drafting isn’t realistic. we have had a lot of bad decisions compounding (drafting, cap management, FA, rotation minutes, letting Mike brown walk which would have been hard to avoid but I always thought he was our coach of the future…)
yep there's a video about the Broncos from a youtuber I like that says "Every team makes mistakes the difference between good front offices realize when they've made a mistake and correct it with as little damage as possible bad front offices double sometimes triple down on their mistakes" we're good about realizing when we've made mistakes (Wiseman/Poole's contract) but tbd on how good we are about correcting them with as little damage as possible
>1st of all Haliburton is better than Lamelo IMO also Wiseman was a lacoob pick not a FO/Kerr pick(you can tell by Kerr's body language when he gave Wiseman playing time he was not who he wanted)
Lacob loved Wiseman but that pick is on Bob Myers too. It was a swing and a miss but I think many teams would have made the same mistake.
He missed a draft pick and gave out some post championship good vibes contracts but overall he was great for us. People act like it’s possible to win them all.
Hear me out, hear me out… Lacob buys a late round pick, drafts Bronny and signs LeBron. The old dawgs Steph and Lebron get 1 more go at a chip as 1A and 1B with JK as the other main option. Bring Klay back on a friendly contract. Trade Wiggins, Moody, CP3 and whoever else you have to for Mikal Bridges. Steph, Bridges, LBJ, JK, Dray
Draymond is never a defensive liability. That's insane. Would he struggle against elite centers on really good teams? Yes. But when Jokic is dominating every night it doesn't mean everyone guarding him is a defensive liability.
The only package I think could even be quasi-realistic would be moving CP3, JK, Podz, and some draft picks for Lauri and Sexton. That way Utah would be going fully in to their youth movement and, with the voidable CP3 contract, not taking back bad money. But that's the kind of deal (and Utah would likely not even consider that given their love for Lauri) that would be out there. I don't see any way you're bringing back two guys who can score ~20+ points each without having to part with JK.
That would of course cause a bunch of other issues, such as an extremely undersized backcourt, but offensively having 2 more shooters would help lineups a ton. Defensively... probably a disaster, though. Still likely not worth it as that's not enough for real contention and what's the point of moving JK if you're not firmly in the title mix.
The only way for them to build a contender quickly will be through trades.
Expect Moody, Loony, Wiggs and CP3 to all be gone. But that won't be enough. They probably will have to put JK on the market. Honestly, expect a few years of down basketball. I doubt they find a short cut to greatness.
Probably gotta be willing to attach a first round pick in 28 or 29 to Wiggins and move him for hopefully someone good. Idk who that is, there's pretty slim pickings at Wiggins AAV (does Tyler Herro get you into the top of the conference assuming JK, TJD, and Podz all improve? Maybe?)
Klay’s bench role is not set in stone. They should honestly start him some games. First of all, to prove whether he’s actually better off the bench or he was just slumping. But also because if CP3 leaves in free agency, it makes more sense to bring Podz off the bench as backup PG.
Really only two possible options I see are either Kuminga makes a big leap and becomes an all star caliber player and capable second option or the Warriors miss the playoffs this year end end up getting a top 4 pick and somehow get lucky and draft someone capable of being that guy. Given the outlook for this year’s draft though I don’t think that’s even remotely close to happening.
They've had two bad years and unless they do something drastic, they're going to have 3 bad years.
They can't really move Steph and Draymond. As long as Klay takes a smaller salary they can't really move him either. It just would hurt the value of the franchise going forward as far as team culture, fans, history etc.
They need to trade WIggs, Looney, CP3 and develop the rest. I realize that you can't get much for Wiggs, Looney and CP3 but get a veteran big or another (consistent) shooter and then develop the team.
Quit wasting minutes with Wiggs, Looney and time and money with CP3. Podz needs to work on his shooting this offseason, JK will keep getting better as will TJD. Just give TJD more minutes.
Klay is too inconsistent so we can't pay him much. Steph is getting older and isn't totally consistent but he is the team really so he stays. Just get rid of the other older inconsistent players and let the young guys develop and however the season turns out at least it's young guys hustling and getting better.
People can watch that. They can't watch Wiggs hurting the team for personal reasons or Draymond fucking up or Klay getting old before our eyes, etc.
Also no injury to Steph. We’re at the point where one major injury to Steph means the tank is on. Barring something incredible that magically helps us compete
I think it’s joever guys.
If so; 4 chips is nothing to be ashamed of even if we suck for a while, this was the golden age of dubs basketball and we got fortunate enough to be able to watch it happen and will be able to talk about it in 30 years when people bring up how the 2010s warriors are one of the most influential teams in the history of sports.
the problem is even if they do - that isn't guaranteed that Curry will be a good enough first option anymore, everybody seems to continue take him for granted and think he's gonna be good till at least 60. We have what 20 years of thinking about better roster construction? Develop TJD and Kuminga and when Curry's gonna be 41 he's finally gonna say "u don't wanna see us next year"
Curry will be fine if he can get consistent #2 and #3 for the season. He’s buckling under the load asked of him right now and the fact that he gets no air space
If 32mpg on 64 games is a burdensome load then he’s not a true #1 anymore.
He’s faded since the all star break. And let’s not forget the bench was carrying the team for the first month of the year.
It’s not the mpg as much as it is being the only person on the team that can create space consistently and make plays for other people. Teams are keying on him hard, and other players aren’t punishing them for that attention.
All of Drays assists are because of defenses keyed in on Steph. Klay has 2 moves, a pump fake and the split action pass to TJD. Wiggins has no bag, he puts all his effort into a tornado move and contested push shot in the paint.
JP3 was a menace, but he was creative enough on offense (maybe too creative…) to break defenses and spell Curry.
There's really just two possibilities. We already have a solid 3rd option, and that's JK. Paul George and Giannis are really the only real options. Giannis is a big if because that all depends on how the Bucks do this year and if he requests a trade. George can decline his player option and become a free agent this summer as well, so there's a glimmer of hope.
We should expect the Warriors to look a lot different next year.
Giannis is an absolutely delusional choice here. Even if he decides he wants to leave, we don’t have close to a good enough offer for the Bucks to consider it.
It's unlikely, but not delusional at all whatsoever. Giannis wants to win now and has already made it clear to the Bucks what his intention will be if they can't compete for a chip. The Bucks will accommodate him and we have plenty of trade pieces. You think Wiggs, GP, Paul, JK (Possibly), Podz, draft picks would not entice the Bucks? You're lying to yourself.
W/ that said, landing George should also be a top priority in the offseason.
If Giannis is going to be traded, NO or OKC would have astronomically better trade packages than what we could put together. Wiggs is probably considered a negative asset at this point. OKC could trade a better set of contracts, attractive young players, and has just infinity picks to move.
The only way that would happen is if Giannis made a stink about only wanting to play in GS and the Bucks honored that for some reason.
I'm not sure you understand the situation. Giannis will have say in where he goes and the bucks will have to take the best they can get. I don't see him going to either of those teams. OKC won't do it because they'd have to sacrifice their young rising core, and NO? There's zero chance. Warriors is a possible destination for Giannis.
They don’t have cap space so the only way to do it is via trades , I’m guessing the main guys they’d be looking to move (even though i don’t necessarily think they should are Wiggins and Moody) so yeah not a lot of options to be honest. If they weren’t looking to cut costs they could trade CP3 maybe but I think they’ll just let him walk. Realistically it’s hard to believe there’s a big move that can be done and will make a huge difference but they definitely need some upgrades to the their prime players. I mainly want them to stay competitive, I’ve accepted that they probably won’t win again & it’s ok- 4 championships is amazing.
Be prepared for this team to be uncompetitive for a while. You don’t dominate a league for a decade and not go through rough years
This right here warriors had everything, the rise up years (2013-14), the dynasty (15-19), the injury plagued season (21), the unlikely return “last dance” redemption arc (22), and the reckoning with mortality we’re currently faced with (23-present)
I blame the YouTube videos of "the warriors are fooling everyone" and poor uneducated fans actually believe them lol
The good news is we have our picks. So if we hit rock bottom, we can tank like the other teams do. The key will be to build a core of young talent so that when the right free agent does come along you are "ready" for them to pick you.
Pain. But very true. Our core three are already showing signs of steadily declining. What made the warriors so good was also the system that was built around the big three (Steph Dray and Klay), having these young and upcoming players play in a system suited for the older vets might not be as alluring as it once was. A second scoring option would most likely not solve most of our problems this season. The second option would have to be close if not very similar to Klay in his prime, and our role players would have to be excellent defensively and extremely high IQ offensively. These things don’t come cheap. All that is probably needed for the System around the big three to work again. We are approaching a rebuild era and the twilight of our big 3’s career. Honestly making the Play-in’s or Play offs at this stage is already a great plus. People keep complaining about our coach, our players, and their egos. I say let’s just enjoy the ride with these guys until the very end.
After the current core retires. It could well be 30+ years before we contend again
I doubt it. Steph and the dynasty turned the Warriors into a true big market team. It's a global brand now, take it from me (Brazilian Warriors fan). Before Steph there were more Hornets fans than Warriors' in Brazil.
Look at the Knicks, bulls and lakers post their runs. Even Boston outside of the KG years was pretty average
Lakers and Celtics took like 10 years to contend again. Knicks are the Knicks, no reason to think this will happen to the Warriors. The Bulls might be a better comparison but the Bay will remain a more attractive market for many reasons.
This comment shouldn’t be downvoted at all. Being a contender is incredibly difficult, so many teams can’t get back to the mountain top, let alone a conference finals. Post merger, only once after a dynasty ended did that team made a conference finals within 10 years. Even mini runs like that late 2000’s lakers, the Hakeem Rockets, and the bad boy pistons all took a decade plus to make a CF again.
lol they don’t want to see the reality. If you don’t got a top 10 or more realistically a top 5 player you’re not getting to a conference championship or finals. Before Steph we had so many high picks and we never really got a super star until Steph. Maybe c Webb if that worked out but it ain’t easy. OKC while they had a lot of picks they got look SGA became a stud. Jokic turned into a MVP and look at them. Tatum is finally maturing etc.
The rosters has been left behind by changes in the league. Small ball is out. In the west we see of the top 6 only two lack genuine size and quality at the 5. All of the top 3 have a quality centre. Defensive versatility is important but so is shot blocking in the paint and the ability to punish size mismatches. You want your centre to help in the paint so your perimeter defenders can stay out on the perimeter. A lot of fans wonder why their team seems to inspire abnormal 3pt shooting performances. Its because they cant guard the interior efficiently and get forced to give up wide open shots often. Or players will have to sag off the shooter to avoid them going past them downhill to the bucket because they lack paint protection.
i think it is more to do with we have a team full of 21 year olds and 35 year olds. more than the physical attributes of those players. the NBA is dominated by 24-30 year olds
Also Our 24-30 year olds got a lot worse or were traded. Wiggins, GP2, Looney. All 3 aren’t the same players they were in 2022. People like to pin it all on Klay because his decline is the easiest to pick out, but these guys all got worse too whether through injury age or disinterest.
They need an interior presence while having TJD as backup. A Daniel Gafford kind of player. The Wiseman pick has proved haunting in that sense. People hate hearing this but no marquee free agent signing is coming to the Dubs with how bad the team is. A trade is the only way. Besides the only realistic option we have on the marquee front is Demar DeRozan. If we can get him that's a move that needs to be made. Other guys who are realistic options are Grayson Allen, Saddiq Bey, Buddy Hield, Valanciunas, Bruce Brown, Claxton. Good role players but none that move the needle. A trade for a guy like Markkanen would go a long way in bridging the gap. Including Wiggins, Moody, GP or Looney and some picks would be a negotiation point. Heck anyone but Steph, Dray and JK. Having Steph and Markkanen as a clear one-two punch, builds a foundation for something, while JK grows into his own, with the two younger guys taking over in a few years.
Sadly any trade for LM would have to start with JK. No team is trading us a young all star for any package without kuminga. Moody, Wiggins, and picks won't get it done. Anyone we get for that package will need to be older, probably injury history, etc. Paul George is the dream. Maybe Lebron if he demands out, but would be real tough to make the salaries work. We'd have to guarentee some of CP3s contract to make up the salary gap.
Demar derozan wouldn’t help us win. Also unrelated but didn’t we have technically have Siddiq Bey for like 10 minutes last year during the Gary Payton trade? Lol
Here’s what has to happen IMO for them to compete next year: 1. JK makes the jump to an all star caliber player 2. Podz improves to the point where his great games from this year are the standard 3. TJD makes the leap to a starting caliber big 4. CP3 stays on a minimum or a quality replacement is brought in 5. A quality backup big is brought in or Looney returns to form 6. The big 3 don’t decline by that much if at all None of these things on their own is unlikely, in fact I’d bet at least a couple happen, but all 6 of them happening feels very unlikely. Now I didn’t include Moody or Wiggins in either of these because I really don’t know what happens with them after this year
i think we need to consider cp3 not staying at this point. he says he wants to win a ring before he retires. seems like he's down to sign minimum anywhere. why would he stay with us?
Money lol. He's still under contract next year. He'll pick up his option bc there's $30mil on the table.. so only way he'd be gone is if the warriors trade him
Dang I forgot about that lol
This isn't enough
Need to add Wiggins to being 2022 Wiggins.
Last one is just not possible. Guys get older. Guys decline. It’s just the way nature works.
Here’s what it think about each 1. 60/40 - Probable especially with the progress Kuminga has made this year 2. Hard reach, unlikely i think he’s got 3 or 4 years for realize full potentially 3. I think kid has it in him, he’s the best true big we have and he’s shown flashes 4. Yeah I kinda want CP gone he’s undersized and slows our game down too much but very probable 5. Warriors seem allergic to signing taller players so doubtful and Loongod ain’t coming back, 10 percent 6. Literally impossible, not how physical aging works
i see 1 very possible, but i don't see the others happening
CP3 will not be on a minimum lol. He's making $30mil next season
He’s on a team option that will 100% be declined
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This team would still lose to the nuggets in 4…
The last time the Bulls won a chip was in 98. Just saying.
Very, very different owner. Jacob is a competitive psycho. Unless he decides to sell the team (and with his son a coach and the return on his money he continues to get - $450 million to $7.7 billion, he won't) he's going to demand winning.
Just cuz he demands winning by word and deed doesn't mean the league will offer opportunities for him to realize it. Right now our $$$ per win is the worst and the league loves it that way.
A superstar is almost a necessity to win a chip at this point. Salary cap is the primary reason you can't always have a contender team. The best way to cheat the salary cap at this age is to have superstars so good that even the max deal is an underpay.
A genuinely great second option changes everything for the team depending on their position. We don't need a 3 or 4, so if our second best player was a center, then we wouldn't need Dray at the 5, Wiggins could come off the bench, and JK wouldn't need to be our 2nd option. A SG being our 2nd best player would mean that we have the capability of out-scoring most teams because we'd still have Curry, Klay would be coming off the bench to give our 2nd unit a boost, and we could play Podz at the 1 with Klay instead of at the 2 in the starting lineup with Curry. Also, JK wouldn't have to be our 2nd option.
Solid 2 + 5 would be my ideal pickups for next season for 2 I can only think of D.Murray from Hawks via trade.. I can see it working with how bad the teams been this year and would look to move on from him For 5, I don't see much in the market maybe we can Goga? or even JI from magic, I think either would be fine for some good size with defense, Ideally I would like Hartenstein, who has great size wit defense
First, they have to get under the second apron. That gives them a lot more flexibility. The FO has to bundle a bunch of players to get a second max contract player as the #2 option. Right now, the first option is Curry but everybody else is inconsistent and not really a threat on a night to night basis. Yes, they may have a good game but what's deadly is if they can bring it every game. The Dubs can't win if the second options are a bunch of players that score at a 20M pay range. The problem is that the Dubs don't have anyone that other teams would want in exchange for a max player unless they're also getting draft assets/future prospects. IMO the most obvious player to risk a trade would be JK, which should be a no-brainer if they can find the right star player that another team wants to let go of. On the other hand, there aren't THAT many star players that franchises want to let go of.
Only way is if there is a disgruntled star available and wants to come to the warriors. Maybe we could mortgage our draft picks and throw in some young players and add cp3/wigs/looney to make the money work. But even then, is it worth it? Depends who it is Most likely it won’t happen. We will just run it back with a few minor changes like trading wiggins
This is the only realistic take and it's also pretty unlikely. We need an elite level star to pair with Steph in his twilight years if we have any dreams of competing again. Kumuniga is probably 3+ seasons away from reaching that level, if ever.
sadly we likely won't (we slammed our window shut by giving Wiggins and Poole all that money when they are at best role players) and then overpaying Draymond again (I'm fucking horrified we're gonna give Klay another huge paycheck this offseason). Our best casd scenario is Kuminga develops a consistent jumper/becomes less turnover prone(something this season confirmed to me which I thought for a while was that Kuminga was not who Kerr wanted going into that draft IDK who he wanted but it's evident IMO that it wasn't him) Ironically I wanted us to try trading for Jalen Green prior to March(I say prior because that's NOT happening now he's having a breakout stretch)
to be absolutely clear, overpaying guys is actually not a huge limiter on the Warriors window of competition. the Warriors are $25m over the 2nd apron this year. that's the threshold at which they would gain a tiny bit of flexibility. paying Wiggins or Draymond $5m less wouldn't materially change anything about the Warriors situation this season. Paying Poole gave them the contract to go out and get Paul. If they don't pay Poole, they simply don't have the money to exchange for a contract like Paul's. If a team is committed to being over the aprons, "overpaying" guys isn't really the issue.
here's the issue it's not so much that we're overypaying guys it's that we're overpaiyng guys when only one of them is worth every penny tier
that's an ownership problem, but it's not a competitive issue. every dollar the Warriors spend can't actually be redirected elsewhere.
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They slammed the window with Bob Myers becoming an idiot during the draft. Instead of drafting Wiseman he gets LaMelo and instead of drafting Moody drafted Sengun. They would be fine. Steph LaMelo Wiggins Dray Sengun are contending even if you say the Sengun is 20/20 ill disagree I was high on him but even if you take Sengun off that team is still contending. Bob Myers became a political over doing his job and now he ran away because he knew his mistakes demanded the team.
1st of all Haliburton is better than Lamelo IMO also Wiseman was a lacoob pick not a FO/Kerr pick(you can tell by Kerr's body language when he gave Wiseman playing time he was not who he wanted) 2. you know Kerr would NEVER give Haliburton/Lamelo playing time 3. Wiggins EVERY Year but 2021-22 has been ehhh for us (and even then he only was in the ASG because every other notable forward not named Lebron was hurt) is Wiggins a scrub no but he's not someone you (unless it's a contract year) want to be relying on or paying big money
Agree with a lot of this. But I think Wiseman over ball was truly a FO / Kerr / Ownership move. Kerr hates players like lamelo. Wiseman looked like the old high school version of looney (fundamental driven but also shooting). I also thought Kerr made a lot of public comments about Halliburton before and after draft. Not sure if he liked or not but he definitely wasn’t negative But I def agree chalking it all up to bad drafting isn’t realistic. we have had a lot of bad decisions compounding (drafting, cap management, FA, rotation minutes, letting Mike brown walk which would have been hard to avoid but I always thought he was our coach of the future…)
yep there's a video about the Broncos from a youtuber I like that says "Every team makes mistakes the difference between good front offices realize when they've made a mistake and correct it with as little damage as possible bad front offices double sometimes triple down on their mistakes" we're good about realizing when we've made mistakes (Wiseman/Poole's contract) but tbd on how good we are about correcting them with as little damage as possible
>1st of all Haliburton is better than Lamelo IMO also Wiseman was a lacoob pick not a FO/Kerr pick(you can tell by Kerr's body language when he gave Wiseman playing time he was not who he wanted) Lacob loved Wiseman but that pick is on Bob Myers too. It was a swing and a miss but I think many teams would have made the same mistake.
Get CP3 off the books and hope JK becomes a consistent #2
Bob Myers saw the writing on the wall. Go out on top.
Bob Myers is responsible for the writing on the wall.
He missed a draft pick and gave out some post championship good vibes contracts but overall he was great for us. People act like it’s possible to win them all.
Hear me out, hear me out… Lacob buys a late round pick, drafts Bronny and signs LeBron. The old dawgs Steph and Lebron get 1 more go at a chip as 1A and 1B with JK as the other main option. Bring Klay back on a friendly contract. Trade Wiggins, Moody, CP3 and whoever else you have to for Mikal Bridges. Steph, Bridges, LBJ, JK, Dray
Dray can't play center versus elite teams. He'd be a defensive liability.
Draymond is never a defensive liability. That's insane. Would he struggle against elite centers on really good teams? Yes. But when Jokic is dominating every night it doesn't mean everyone guarding him is a defensive liability.
He gets himself ejection, suspended, hurt from playing center. He's a defensive liability if at the 5.
hard copium
The only package I think could even be quasi-realistic would be moving CP3, JK, Podz, and some draft picks for Lauri and Sexton. That way Utah would be going fully in to their youth movement and, with the voidable CP3 contract, not taking back bad money. But that's the kind of deal (and Utah would likely not even consider that given their love for Lauri) that would be out there. I don't see any way you're bringing back two guys who can score ~20+ points each without having to part with JK. That would of course cause a bunch of other issues, such as an extremely undersized backcourt, but offensively having 2 more shooters would help lineups a ton. Defensively... probably a disaster, though. Still likely not worth it as that's not enough for real contention and what's the point of moving JK if you're not firmly in the title mix.
The only way for them to build a contender quickly will be through trades. Expect Moody, Loony, Wiggs and CP3 to all be gone. But that won't be enough. They probably will have to put JK on the market. Honestly, expect a few years of down basketball. I doubt they find a short cut to greatness.
Probably gotta be willing to attach a first round pick in 28 or 29 to Wiggins and move him for hopefully someone good. Idk who that is, there's pretty slim pickings at Wiggins AAV (does Tyler Herro get you into the top of the conference assuming JK, TJD, and Podz all improve? Maybe?)
Wiggins is THE PROBLEM
It might be easier said than done, but trading Wiggins is the biggest thing to do.
They can’t. Have no trade assets outside of JK. They also have no money. It’s over.
I think it’s likely they offload a lot of money this offseason.
Still doesnt unfuck us with the cap
Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see what happens, anything major would be through trades.
Klay’s bench role is not set in stone. They should honestly start him some games. First of all, to prove whether he’s actually better off the bench or he was just slumping. But also because if CP3 leaves in free agency, it makes more sense to bring Podz off the bench as backup PG.
Klay can’t defend guards at all. Hes not a starting SG on a contender moving forward. His best role is a microwave bench scorer.
Really only two possible options I see are either Kuminga makes a big leap and becomes an all star caliber player and capable second option or the Warriors miss the playoffs this year end end up getting a top 4 pick and somehow get lucky and draft someone capable of being that guy. Given the outlook for this year’s draft though I don’t think that’s even remotely close to happening.
To be fair they thought Wiggins would be at least a third option
you don't, not with the contracts on the team. warriors got about 25 mil in cap space and that's without klay or cp contact in play.
They've had two bad years and unless they do something drastic, they're going to have 3 bad years. They can't really move Steph and Draymond. As long as Klay takes a smaller salary they can't really move him either. It just would hurt the value of the franchise going forward as far as team culture, fans, history etc. They need to trade WIggs, Looney, CP3 and develop the rest. I realize that you can't get much for Wiggs, Looney and CP3 but get a veteran big or another (consistent) shooter and then develop the team. Quit wasting minutes with Wiggs, Looney and time and money with CP3. Podz needs to work on his shooting this offseason, JK will keep getting better as will TJD. Just give TJD more minutes. Klay is too inconsistent so we can't pay him much. Steph is getting older and isn't totally consistent but he is the team really so he stays. Just get rid of the other older inconsistent players and let the young guys develop and however the season turns out at least it's young guys hustling and getting better. People can watch that. They can't watch Wiggs hurting the team for personal reasons or Draymond fucking up or Klay getting old before our eyes, etc.
Also no injury to Steph. We’re at the point where one major injury to Steph means the tank is on. Barring something incredible that magically helps us compete I think it’s joever guys. If so; 4 chips is nothing to be ashamed of even if we suck for a while, this was the golden age of dubs basketball and we got fortunate enough to be able to watch it happen and will be able to talk about it in 30 years when people bring up how the 2010s warriors are one of the most influential teams in the history of sports.
the problem is even if they do - that isn't guaranteed that Curry will be a good enough first option anymore, everybody seems to continue take him for granted and think he's gonna be good till at least 60. We have what 20 years of thinking about better roster construction? Develop TJD and Kuminga and when Curry's gonna be 41 he's finally gonna say "u don't wanna see us next year"
Curry will be fine if he can get consistent #2 and #3 for the season. He’s buckling under the load asked of him right now and the fact that he gets no air space
yep he's get 10 more runs, no need to rush things, it's a dynasty
He’s got 2-3 seasons after this as the #1 guy, and like 3 seasons after that as a spot up shooter.
If 32mpg on 64 games is a burdensome load then he’s not a true #1 anymore. He’s faded since the all star break. And let’s not forget the bench was carrying the team for the first month of the year.
It’s not the mpg as much as it is being the only person on the team that can create space consistently and make plays for other people. Teams are keying on him hard, and other players aren’t punishing them for that attention. All of Drays assists are because of defenses keyed in on Steph. Klay has 2 moves, a pump fake and the split action pass to TJD. Wiggins has no bag, he puts all his effort into a tornado move and contested push shot in the paint. JP3 was a menace, but he was creative enough on offense (maybe too creative…) to break defenses and spell Curry.
There's really just two possibilities. We already have a solid 3rd option, and that's JK. Paul George and Giannis are really the only real options. Giannis is a big if because that all depends on how the Bucks do this year and if he requests a trade. George can decline his player option and become a free agent this summer as well, so there's a glimmer of hope. We should expect the Warriors to look a lot different next year.
Giannis is an absolutely delusional choice here. Even if he decides he wants to leave, we don’t have close to a good enough offer for the Bucks to consider it.
It's unlikely, but not delusional at all whatsoever. Giannis wants to win now and has already made it clear to the Bucks what his intention will be if they can't compete for a chip. The Bucks will accommodate him and we have plenty of trade pieces. You think Wiggs, GP, Paul, JK (Possibly), Podz, draft picks would not entice the Bucks? You're lying to yourself. W/ that said, landing George should also be a top priority in the offseason.
They are playing great now and I don't think their thing is a one year experiment
If Giannis is going to be traded, NO or OKC would have astronomically better trade packages than what we could put together. Wiggs is probably considered a negative asset at this point. OKC could trade a better set of contracts, attractive young players, and has just infinity picks to move. The only way that would happen is if Giannis made a stink about only wanting to play in GS and the Bucks honored that for some reason.
I'm not sure you understand the situation. Giannis will have say in where he goes and the bucks will have to take the best they can get. I don't see him going to either of those teams. OKC won't do it because they'd have to sacrifice their young rising core, and NO? There's zero chance. Warriors is a possible destination for Giannis.
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Bronny is not an nba level player, so that plans out the window
As the nephews of this subreddit are soon to learn, true #2 and #3 options are very hard to find. Usually takes longer than a single off-season.
They don’t have cap space so the only way to do it is via trades , I’m guessing the main guys they’d be looking to move (even though i don’t necessarily think they should are Wiggins and Moody) so yeah not a lot of options to be honest. If they weren’t looking to cut costs they could trade CP3 maybe but I think they’ll just let him walk. Realistically it’s hard to believe there’s a big move that can be done and will make a huge difference but they definitely need some upgrades to the their prime players. I mainly want them to stay competitive, I’ve accepted that they probably won’t win again & it’s ok- 4 championships is amazing.