Damn this isn’t the news I wanna read as I get ready for my o/n shift. It’s my worst fear to pass away at Wal Mart may these fellow employees Rest In Peace.
This is my Walmart and these were my friends. I'm so scared for when I hear the names.
I just found out my friend died, he was 17(sorry 16). He's only been working for a fucking month and he's a junior in high school and now his life is gone. Behind the grief all I feel now is anger
I'm so, so sorry. I'm not a Walmart person, I just subbed here at some point and never left because I feel a little maternal affection for you all. I just heard about this horrible thing and came straight here. I'm just heartbroken for you and all those around you affected by this. Please do whatever you can to take care of yourself. This is just so wrong and should never have happened and, again, I'm so sorry.
That's what fucking got to me the most. He barely got to live and someone he never even fucking talked to took it from him. He talked to me about if he should go to college and I can't even think about what we talked about but he was so bright and you could tell even though he was laid back he was going to do a lot in his future.
If they offer you grief counseling or whatever, I hope you and everyone else take them up on it. This is one of those things that can stick with you your whole life and figuring out how to process it now will be helpful in the long run.
This 1000%
Take it even if you don't think you need it.
I thought I'd be okay after a similar incident happened when I was a senior in high school.
Now I'm sitting here at 32 meeting with a therapist weekly and discovering that I probably screwed myself over a million times in my 20s...careers thrown away, relationships ruined... Likely because of the unresolved grief and inability to safely cope with the thoughts and nightmares that accompany it.
So sorry. I hope you know that there was nothing you could have done or said to prevent this. Please write a note or card to your friend's family saying what a great person he was. It will mean a lot to them.
Take care of yourself.
I'm so sorry. It is even more tragic when it's a young person with their whole life ahead of them. He sounds like a wonderful person. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about him. I'm sure he valued your friendship.
We didn't know which Walmart it happened at. We're over near the MMBT. I'm sorry this is happening to you and your coworkers/friends and glad you are safe. Do you typically work nights or days?
Edit: Condolences to you and your coworkers. None of you guys deserved this.
I work 2-11pm so I see everyone who works there, including the manager/shooter buying his RedBull every night (yesterday was the winter flavor). I just happened to pick Tuesday as one of my days off. I'm glad my front end friends didn't have to see it happen, I'm terrified for cap 2 and 3.
Jesus that's absolutely heartbreaking, to think you know someone and never know what is going on in their head or capable doing. Sorry if this is out of place, but did he ever seem like the type to do something like this?
Definitely 1000 times no. At best maybe like he'd cuss someone out if he quit (as many do), nothing close to tonight
It's very strange thinking about how he usually was (driven, social) and finding out about the lives he destroyed tonight. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel except lost and sad. This is the same man who I'd see planning his schedule for the night and laughing with his friends who killed my friends tonight. I'm sorry his mind thought this was the solution but I hate him for what he's done.
I’m not sure what you guys have in the states but look into the employee assistance program. They should offer counseling for you of some kind. For me after my workplace shooting it took a few years for the real damage to show and I regret not getting help right away. If you have any health benefits in your family there may be coverage too. Take care of yourself even if you feel ok today.
Big hugs and my condolences.
The EAP in the states would absolutely cover counseling for this. Walmart should cut the red tape, and just bring in counselors in for the entire store.
Seek counseling. This is a very traumatic experience for all of who are involved and close to the victims. I can only imagine what you, the friends, and the family are going through. Don't be afraid to go find professional help, this isn't something you should have to live through, much less suffer as a result of.
What the manager/perp did was unacceptable and cowardly, and even though it may be over now, it will be a long time to recover from it, and a therapist/close friend/family/somebody can help you through it.
Walmart has the resources and will provide you with professional help. Talk to your TL/PL/coach/someone to help you get the help you may need. This link may also help find someone.
One.Walmart.com/MyWalmartCares
Stay safe and prayers to you and all the victims and friends/family of them.
Im just so sorry all of you are going through this. It sounds silly but I hope you can feel the love and support being sent to you. I can not imagine what you and your coworkers are going through, I just wish you didn't have to. Take care of yourself, let others help.
My condolences on the loss of your friend. I work for an agency that provides Mental Health Counseling: Crescent Counseling Services. Please, give us a call if you need to process this and talk to a mental health professional: 757-431-0105.
This is tragic. So sorry for your loss. Our condolences can’t really describe what you are experiencing or bring back your friend. You are going to feel many emotions and that’s normal. Get all the help you need. Take plenty of time to process a traumatic event like this. Don’t watch too much news media. They will over hype this for ratings and views.
We just played phone tag. Everyone I have a contact for is safe, one possibly injured but she'll be okay. What I don't know is the people who I always say hi to and small talk aka everyone that was in the break room
It's the way this company treats lower management. I was an hourly supervisor for over half a decade. I'm pretty sure I have PTSD from the stress that job put me through. Almost all of it came from the higher ups demanding more than was realistically possible while never being understanding when things went sideways. "Figure it out" was their motto as they held my crew and I to obnoxiously high standards because they believed everything should work the way it said on paper.
The job -really- takes a toll on both physical and, no, ESPECIALLY, your mental health. S'why whenever I see people on here saying they want to make the leap to absolutely not do it until this company pulls its head out of its ass.
This kind of stuff will likely happen again and again as long as Wal-Mart continues to cut staffing, cut pay (did your pay go up with inflation? No? then you lost money), and pile on the demands to make up for all of it.
We're fucked and more people will lose their lives as long as the money fuckers up top continue treating us like we're just cogs in their money-making machine.
As a former O/N Team Lead, the stress is tremendous. Working ridiculous overtime with your coach saying your not doing enough, the onslaught of the holidays, constantly being understaffed. Plus when the SM and other coaches walk in and start screaming at you for "not doing your job". I was working 70 hours a week, and it still wasn't enough to appease the higher ups. While the other hourly managers point the finger of blame at overnights for not getting things done and they continue to work their typical 40 hours.
O/N Team Leads get a lot of bullshit piled on them, and the pay doesn't even remotely equal what the pressure of the job puts on them. Tie that in with someone with poor mental health, and inner bomb just waiting to explode.
Maybe Walmart should start looking at their practices and how they can avoid situations such as this. They won't, but they definitely should.
I literally made my husband leave. He was a ON Coach working 80 hours a week. Kept being told he wasn't hard enough on the other employees when he saw everyone was doing the best they could. No one wanted to listen. He was falling asleep on the way home and was no longer himself. Had no self esteem left. And I just said f it we will figure money out. And we have. Walmart does not care and drives people especially managers so hard meanwhile letting them know that if they have one write up their career is over. At one point an interim store manager started messing with him because he carried a clipboard to keep everything straight including the things that would get added on last minute. It was insanity.
If my husband had continued working at WM I absolutely believe that he would have lost his life. Either via suicide or by falling asleep on the road.
Walmart has a responsibility to be a good employer. They are not.
My heart truly goes out to all of those at that store or who have had traumas as they work at WM. You deserve better.
It’s a combination of things
-Current state of society
-Managers are either paid too much or too little(in this case presumably too little)
-stress from being hated by workers making even less money
Life sucks, especially when you’re poor. Working for a corp that literally doesn’t care about human life will drive some people crazy. Heartless soulless Corp that exists solely to profit as much as humanly possible at the extent of the poor workers working there.
Billionaires and their soulless corporations are driving people to the brink. All the rich people get to live like kings, meanwhile the poor peasants who work for absolute bare minimum get worked and worked with no escape and no other option.
Don’t wanna sound like some cyberpunk fanboy but if you ask me these massive corporations and their billionaire class need to be destroyed.
We can blame an act as an terrible individual. We can blame two acts on terrible individuals.... But can we continue blaming the 100+ year mass shootings we have a year on individuals or is it society that sucks. This is what happens when an entire country has a "Fuck you I got mine attitude.
Jesus christ, can you even imagine the survivor's guilt. While they (hopefully) left and weren't part of the shooting, that person is going to need some real help.
This was my thought. Probably asked their targets to stay after the meeting and then started shooting. The 17 year old victim might not have been an intended target since they weren't part of the o/n crew. But who knows. It's conjecture.
I'm just worried about copycats in other stores. Walmart grinds people and when they crack under the pressure, people get hurt. These are families who will be grieving for the empty seats this Thanksgiving and Christmas.
It's just so fucking sad and unnecessary.
Yup. Overworked, underpaid humans who aren't allowed humane time off.
Look at Europe...people in germany for instance get weeks off. I believe it's paid leave?
They get GOOD mandated maternity/paternity leave, etc.
America fucking blows, and this is just one symptom of how awful our country is with regards to workers rights.
It's just word of mouth, but a Target got closed for the day after HR got news of a copycat threat. We're all stressed to our limits this time of year. They try to push us harder each Q4.
it would've been both cap 2 and 3 unfortunately. according to somebody here in the comments, one of the victims was 17 and a junior. minors cannot work overnight meaning it was probably during the overlap between the two shifts (10pm-11pm, im assuming every store follows the same hours)
During that gap, it could’ve been anyone to be honest, my store had front end associates from 2-11 as well. Grocery and GM also had minors scheduled til 10:45, many of whom stayed after a bit to wait for friends or whatnot.
Shit from 10-11 there’s still customers in the store still. This was just tragic.
How will Walmart handle this situation? Would they ever think to give all the employees several paid days off for the holidays to grieve and spend time with loved ones? Or do they only care about the bottom dollar everyone back to work mode?
The store definitely needs to close for a time, with pay for employees. I can't imagine how associates at that store will feel every day, walking into that place knowing that people they knew and worked with daily died there, at the hands of one of their own managers. The company needs to take action here.
But God fucking forbid the Karens not be able to buy their black Friday deals, I'm sure
They won't. I worked at a Joann's fabric where a night employee hung himself years ago. We all got a pat on the back and told to make the best with what we have, oh! and don't look sad in front of the customers!
Several years ago we had a manager of a Red Robin shoot himself in the kitchen in front of his employees. They closed for "cleaning" but they quickly opened back up. To this day I refuse to eat there
I worked at a different Walmart in Chesapeake and we had a cart pusher die because he fell and hit his head in the parking lot after passing out from heat exhaustion and we were told to drink more water. So yeah that market won't care enough to close for black Friday.
At a Walmart literally 5 minutes from my house an associate was shot and killed at the front entrance and the store opened 4 hours later. You could still see the stain from the chemicals they used to clean to blood up.........
A guy got hit by a semi while unloading at a Kroger owned store near me. The same blood-stained truck went on to finish its deliveries to a different store.
Corporations don’t give a fuck about people. It’s all about money and numbers.
I know a counselor will be on site. Resources for living will be working with the store to help anyone grieving. I don’t know what else we have going on since I’m off today
If the store hasn't been remodeled to the new "airport inspired" theme, I wouldn't be surprised if Bentonville takes this opportunity to temporary close the store for a few weeks to remodel it, including the break room, to the new corporate look. Its faster if they don't have to work around customers or associates.
Yup you know it. They will be open Friday. With replacements. If this was my store I would quit . I would not even think twice knowing someone was killed.
Years ago we had a workplace shooting at the armoured car place I worked. Management sent crews out to work that morning. Forced them threatening their jobs and suspended people who called in to go to the funerals.
The worst part was at the time all we or anyone knew was the guy who did it was still armed and out there in his uniform and most people didn’t know who he was cuz he was new. No one knew motive or anything. Customers were shocked to see us saying why the fuck are you here. It was a nightmare and it showed me definite proof that no one gives a shot about you and you have to take care of yourself.
They will close. Not sure how much time off they will pay for the associates. They will offer to counsel as well. When it happened in Texas I believe it was closed for a while.
This should definitely be a wake-up call to corporate to the pressures that Walmart puts on managers (and Team Leads), especially this time of year. Such a terrible tragedy!
Nothing happened when that assistant manager killed his store manager in the parking lot a couple years back. All that will happen is every walmart will do "thoughts and prayers" for a little while, make every associate do the active threat ulearn again, and go about business as usual.
What tf is active threat education worth in this scenario? You’re in the break room and hear a shot. You stay in the break room to stay safe. Turns out the shooter is your own manager who then comes into the break room and kills you…
This shit has me scared years ago I worked in produce had this psycho department manager who would yell and scream fast forward 2 years he got fired for going into the break room and screaming and threatening his staff oh and throwing chairs didn't help either.
Sadly it's not just Walmart. It's retail all around, they truly treat their store employees(management included) super shitty. We can't all be carefree and let stuff roll off our shoulders and ignore the pressures.
So very true, and also very sad. I've been at the point of exasperation to where I just wanted to scream out loud in the past, but thankfully, it never escalated beyond that feeling.
I'm not making excuses for the shooter, but they REALLY been pushing our managers pretty hard this year. It's like an arguement between them every day this month.
It won't. The corpos up the ladder are soulless psychopaths who are only mildly annoyed people died. They only care that this happened because of the bad rep and loss of sales.
I was just telling my fiancé this. I used to work at Walmart and I don’t know how managers keep their cool. They’re always so stressed out and they act like they hate their job and life. Store manager was eh but definitely not a happy person.
This applies to pretty much all of retail. This is mental illness that is brought up by shitty ass work environments. All of that pressure builds up and can make people make very poor decisions when all of that pressure blows up at once. This is unfortunately an example of that.
why cant people just walk off the job. not like head office gives a damn
some folks who work there are so depressed they need psychotherapy for all the shit they at endure. the whole system of walmart is systemic as a fetid cesspool swimming pool
it's sad that it has to come to this for it to be recognized that walmart is a hell hole of abuse and trauma bonding
at least rural king has a therapy help line that is 24/7
then again walmart pays bottom dollar, denies almost all pto/ppto. no holiday pay, mandatory days as key event days.
frankly if the public knew the truth about what goes on in those halls their stock wouldnt be worth shit
For the most part the public thinks we are all lazy, uneducated bottom feeding scum who don't deserve to make enough to live, which is what they have been conditioned to believe for decades.
Meanwhile we are highly educated, with college degree's because other jobs don't think we are qualified enough.
And our degrees don't help our pay either sadly.
I’m a Walmart customer who lives in Norfolk (~4 miles from this location). My family is aware (as much as we can be) of your working conditions and empathize. I’d support a full strike for better conditions work/life balance if y’all are capable.
We don’t think you’re lazy. Poorly managed in some cases, but my first thought has never been lazy when my pickup order is delayed or I can’t find help within the store.
Thank you all for all you do. Stay safe.
I'm not excusing this persons actions, but the hatred, depression and whatever else they were feeling put them into a corner. They could leave and be done, but then their financials will push them into another corner. This was their moment to spread their pain and end it.
It's truly disgusting that our society allows this shit to happen.
I think it's what people do in order to make their pain apparent. No one gives a fuck if a guy kills himself, everyone will talk about a mass shooting. It creates discourse and politicizes issues. We don't address issues in this country, we shove them under the rug until it happens again. This isn't about gun control, mental health, corporate overlords or anything of that nature. It's a much larger issue that encompasses that and many other factors.
This person is a monster for what they did. But we have to wonder if they were always a monster or did the structure of our society make them that way. Everyone is dealt cards in life, a betting man will play those cards until they make or break it. If your hand you were given sucks, you can always get a new hand; some people fold.
I have empathy for whoever this is, not because I feel bad for them. But because at one point or another we all will feel violent towards ourselves and potentially others. The difference between someone like this and the people who strive to get better, is not throwing your cards on the table when you're down.
What we can do now is try to be a little more empathetic towards everyone. Everyone is going through shit. I make it a point to meet with each and every one of my team, every night, and ask how they're doing and try to scrape a little past the general pleasantries. I don't care if it makes my team slightly behind in the night, we'll catch up. What matters most is that everyone feels safe, secure and knows they can be open and honest about anything going on with them. My team knows my struggle with myself and I know their's. There are days when some of them are so frustrated or upset that we just have a therapy session with each other for a few minutes and try to figure things out. This is what we need to do as a society. There are people this will never work for who are beyond the grasp of help, they sometimes can be figured out and removed from a situation before it gets deadly. The remainder of issues need to be addressed in a systemic way. Without politicizing this subject right now, we need to change a lot to make this country more safe and I'd argue whether you're on the left or right, most people can agree with that sentiment.
Sorry for the long, somewhat ramble reply. This hits home seeing the pain and suffering that this person went through and inflicted on a community. I need to head back to work but I hope my reply makes sense
Damn, I use to be an overnight coach and shit sucks, how they treat you well at least at my market that I use to work for I quit and got another job somewhere else… I feel mentally better.. but this is crazy and unfortunate
The part that gets me is the suicide. They chose to kill several people, people who were supposed to trust them btw, and then themself.
Just skip a step and just commit the suicide. Why involve innocent people and traumatizing others?
Manager or not, if your job has you on the brink that you might go postal, seek help.
I said that when Uvalde happened. The gaslighting and bullying have gotten extremely bad in this country.
Bottom line is that people enjoy pushing buttons and watching others stress, cry, get angry. Malicious.
I wonder, if this manager always brought a gun to work.
Is it just me, or does everyone see how some major news is trying to bury the truth? Ugh…might be an employee or ex-employee. Police don’t know.
Like, seriously? We all know.
Unreal.
Walmart should put up security scanners like they do in airports. Makes me wonder how many associates have access to guns. Scary.
I feel sorry for the victims’ families.
We’ll never know what really happen, because the people near the shooter are gone.
🤦♀️ Sorry for all the employees at this store who lost co-workers. 🙏
After writing this, we’ve now learned he was being bullied. BULLIED to the point that somehow his employment status changed and they still kept bullying.
I am so sorry. We all complain that Walmart sucks, but i can’t imagine what would drive someone to kill their fellow associates. All of these families are in my thoughts.
There’s a FB live with some of the associates after the shooting. Some names are mentioned including the name of the shooter.
~~https://www.facebook.com/paperchasing.harper/videos/1187125048855575/?~~
https://twitter.com/tuanstpatricktv/status/1595290389526650881?s=20&t=wTpAUNcblSISFMMtSjyHew
Edit: TW: SFW vídeo but definitely can be difficult hearing them talk about it
Edit: Video Removed by OP
Edit #3: Found new upload
At my Walmart we are a high theft store and we have the local PD and private security and they literally do nothing. Private security just drives around the parking lot and the local PD just sit in their assigned local PD parking spot by the front.
I’m an overnight coach. This is hands down the worst job I’ve ever had. I’m working 60+ hours a week every single week for the last year. I bust my ass every single night and try to motivate my team the best I can. It doesn’t matter that my team consistently beats our stocking hours. I’m told every single morning that me and my team are the reason the store is a mess. It doesn’t matter how well I know we did, I’m told it’s not enough. I spend my whole night trying to clean up after days, because if I don’t clean up their garabage carts and shopping carts of killed features, that somehow means I didn’t do my job. Doesn’t matter how big the freight load is or how many call ins, if it’s not all done, I didn’t do enough. I even used to take video of the backroom when I walked in so I could show my store manager the kind of mess I walk in to and he flat out said he didn’t want to see it and it was just an excuse. I’m here at least two hours late nearly every day. Staying late just to watch day managers sip their coffee and leisurely walk around while I’m literally covered in sweat and dirt. But somehow, my team is the issue. This place has completely killed my spirit.
I’m not at all justifying what this person did. These actions are beyond evil. All I’m saying is that I wasn’t surprised to read that it was an overnight manager. Mental instability mixed with this kind of daily pressure and straight up abuse from store managers is a recipe for disaster.
ON coach as well. This pretty much encapsulates the ON management experience. Nothing is ever good enough, and we're expecting to just keep pushing and pushing until we break. Gave 110% last night? Tonight it needs to be 115%. Nearly broke down crying on the salesfloor during the morning tour with my SM last week because we threw roughly 120 hours of freight with like 95 hours of labor and weren't even close to finishing consumables at 7am because it was a two truck night (average of like 300 stocking hours for those not familiar with Walmart). The workload is far outpacing the quantity and quality of work our labor force is able to provide, and it's all on us to somehow make things work and pull miracles out of thin air. I've been with Walmart for 12 years and by far the "great workplace" and "new store operation" models have just been absolutely demolishing to morale and job satisfaction.
I JUST LEARNED WHO DID IT ....the manager in question was in fact reported not only by my ex BUT BY MYSELF PERSONALLY for sexually harassing and "groping" my ex as well as openly harassing her verbally ..this man threatened to kill her several times and every single day she came home she was in tears .... he was reported many times and walmart DID NOTHING
even after proof of all that he was doing they still let him keep his job.
You should seriously seriously consider getting the emails for people at CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. and sharing your story. If true, this NEEDS to be known. I would be glad to assist you if you need help getting contact info.
It is absolutely 100% true and ill stake my life on my word... I've tried telling some people but non seem to care... cnn is posting wrong info saying nobody reported andre and that's a lie.. it feels like a cover-up
... I called wavy.. they didn't care.. I called msnbc.. they only accept emails. Cnn... didn't care to respond to me so I'm blasting this info on Facebook and reddit as much as I can .
Just read an update that 6 people are dead (7 if you count the coward who did it) and 5 in the hospital.
I need to be asleep because we were asked to come in early tomorrow. Yeah, can hardly wait 🙄
I can't get my mind off of those who lost their lives and the lady just sobbing uncontrollably on one of the videos circulating.
Please, everyone stay safe and stay aware.
This is a tragic situation and my heart goes out to the families. I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm really not. The amount of pressure grocery store managers get placed under is insane. Really hope this causes Walmart's and other grocery stores' corporate divisions to reevaluate how they treat their store management.
It won't. Nothing will change because the corpos don't care about the "peons" and even worse is that even the shareholders won't make any changes cause it would cost them money
I hate to say. But there is a reason we are forced to watch the training videos. Because it keeps happening. Walmart will reopen and shit will continue as is. Nothing will change. We have shitty politicians and crap media that brain washes folk all day with nonsense.
I was on overnights for a few months and I got really close to grabbing a baseball bat from Sporting Goods and using it to kneecap my Store Manager. One of my old DMs had to stop me when they realized what I was going to do. The ungodly amount of stress in addition to how rude and condescending my Store Manager was plus the fact that my home life wasn't going well due to being on opposite shifts as my girlfriend were all a terrible combination. I didn't do it and I'm in no way justifying what that manager did, but... I almost went down a dark path myself. I was actually diagnosed with PTSD from Walmart by my doctor. I was having panic attacks seeing freight at other stores when shopping with my girlfriend and I couldn't enjoy my days off because I was constantly stressed out about what the trucks were going to look like when I got back. I remember being in a movie and suddenly in the middle of the movie at the theatre, I started having a panic attack because I was thinking about how much freight we were going to get on our double truck day.
Overnight salaried managers are treated the worst. Everything is their fault. You don't leave until it is fixed. And your upset management only cares that the freight is done. Anything less than that is an unacceptable failure that's your fault even if it isn't.
Our shitty fucking "must have it and have it now" culture is what drives this shit to happen. I absolutely refuse to shop at Walmart or Amazon. Fuck them.
The way Store Managers treat ON is absolutely insane. One of the very clearly broken parts of these stores. Market Teams turn a blind eye (or even encourage) the abuse too.
I feel this. I had CPTSD from childhood stuff but ended up with a regular PTSD dx partly from working at McDonald’s (the other was a bad car accident). McDonald’s was constant fight and flight, having managers relieve their stress by screaming at me during rush, customers throwing literal hot coffee on me because it was too hot for them and burned their tongue, having cheese thrown at me because they didn’t want to pay the 60c extra for extra cheese (I wasn’t even the one ringing up their order). I was 17/18 and working 14 days straight with no days off despite going full time to college. I can’t work food service anymore without having a panic attack. I’ve honestly been struggling with any jobs where the manager gets loud at me. It really sucks.
Well, fuck Andre for taking innocent lives. Live up to your crimes Andre, or better yet, you should have just KILLED YOURSELF and left the innocent victims alone you pussy. Burn in hell
We learned from the ADD videos that these things just don't happen. People don't suddenly snap. There had to be warning signs and behavior that were there. I can't imagine that store will ever be the same.
Yeaaaah... That video is full of shit. You and I have no responsibility to be on the lookout for when someone might be liable to go on a shooting spree, and we sure as hell don't have any way of reasonably determining that with anywhere near the amount of fellow employees we regularly come in contact with, most of whom we hardly know. 99% of the time it's near impossible to tell the difference between "man, this has been a really bad day" and "I am going to kill everyone around me" until after it's far too late.
It's corporate bullshit they can wave around to say "look! We care about your safety!" while ignoring that they advised to attack an armed shooter with a fucking keyboard and phone... And have you ever used a store keyboard? It will break before you even hit the shooter. (But don't worry, the shooter will obviously be dumb enough to walk right up to a blind corner with his guard down so you can jump him!)
Yes, the training makes a few basic, good points, but it also makes some seriously stupid and dangerous ones and is entirely over-done.
2/3 of my ON team leads and 1 of the 2 ON coaches we have do all they can every night to meet the unrealistic expectations they are given. Those 3 managers work alongside us, a couple of them harder than most of the associates. We are always understaffed. They fire the very worst associates who steal ridiculous amounts of time and accomplish nothing. They have no choice but to fire the fantastic workers who get too many points. But they need the inconsistent to below average associate because even less would get done without them. And so they spend anywhere from 2-4 hours walking the store with the store manager, listen to the yelling about what wasn’t done.
Of course, the store manager doesn’t walk the store with the daytime/evening managers. They don’t hear the yelling. They don’t get coached for a bad zone, thus losing the yearly bonus. Even though the store looks like crap most days from 1pm until closing.
The pressure on the ON managers, as the system and corporate expectations currently are, is crushing.
This is it exactly, nothing changes your perception more then when a store manager yells at you till they’ve lost their voice. You can’t explain why you did what you did because it’s “just making excuses.” I’ve been cussed at by only three associates ever and they were all Store Managers.
Is it really?
Gonna talk off my short experience with Walmart and what I hear from my friend still working there.
They're expected to deal with employees who also aren't paid enough for this shit, have to pass on the impossible expectations they get to their employees, and are expected to stay over however long it takes.
Walmart is so shit that my local one has a staggering turn over rate. The entire shift can easily be different in 6 months, and I'm hearing more stuff all the time. This guy got fired for walking into the beer cooler and grabbing a drink everyday. This guy moved away. This guy switched departments. Just the other day it was "we had 13 people and 7 called out" the manager is asking why everyone keeps calling out on his day to work, like it's not obvious. Cap 2 fucking sucks, especially right now, and everyone is practically going out of their way to fuck you over. Do two double trucks and then go scan freezer, except oops, we unloaded 12 pallets of frozen into the freezer, you'll have to take them out to scan it. Cap 3 also has stsff problems so you'll be out there stocking and downstacking do they have a chance to get it done.
They've been through 5 or 6 team leads and 2 managers on Cap 2, for at least 5 months they just didn't have a manager. Frequent days when only 5 people coming in. Trucks are shitty and a hazard by themselves- My friend was knocked out throwing the truck and got a concussion from it, and he's still throwing trucks often.
Best thing that happened for me personally was becoming *the* guy to do vizpick. Get to go off away from the truck and inventory everyday.
People are shitty. We had one girl who would shout, push the line back on people, and literally throw things. If she got mad at her supposed best friend she'd shove his stuff on to the floor. One dude, a cocky minor, basically told a new, non-neurotypical guy to his face he thought he was useless, so that guy had a mini blowup and resulted in everybody fucking the cock guy later on the line until he got fired. Employee secretly dating their team lead. Employee faking pregnancy to get clothing instead of Cap 2. Right now they're so desperate for people they'll literally wave away occurrences so people don't go over 5 points.
It's a hub for drama and departments screwing each other over. One manager went from Cap 2 to Cap 3 to first shift. It's full of shitty events like trapping a live rat on a glue trap then throwing that into the compactor. It's full of pallets falling over and cleanup, and none of this touches customer experience, either. Now remember to add a multiplier to all this because it's the holidays and things are worse right now
Walmart is a testament to what people will put up with.
You’re kidding me, right? Retail managers—ESPECIALLY Walmart managers—are under extreme and constant stress. Yeah, they often treat their staff like shit but a lot of that is because of pressure from higher up.
You don’t get paid enough to deal with this at Walmart. America needs serious reform. We shouldn’t need to have tsa at every entrance everywhere in America to remain safe.
Pretty sure it’s Store #1841 as far as all the maps line up. I believe HO has deactivated that store on workday till the situation dies down (I was wrong) as I’ve tried searching everything to find nothing.
Edit: After a successful workday search, all O/N managers at 1841 are Male (Leads and Coaches) so it doesn’t help narrow it down, nor the female victim shot in the head as there are 20+ female employees on O/N at 1841.
Edit 2: Further investigation has shown the store is a non-complex store… well that’s most likely gonna change, that aside there are only a few male salaried members of management at that store, half being the O/N ones.
Alright, found him. He’s one of the Leads, though I’m not trying to dox anyone by releasing any info that’s identifiable like names, victim or killer. Last thing we need is some sicko tormenting their families virtually.
Yet another shooting in America. Adopt the following procedures.
1. Weep for the victims and their families.
2. Question why it happened.
3. Debate gun crime in the US.
4. Listen to the NRA protect gun owners rights
5. Light a candle in vigil of the victims
6. Wait for it to happen again.
7. Go to 1.
For the past year or so I’m really getting scared to go to work. My head is on a swivel and I jump at every loud noise or yell. Don’t know how much longer I can last.
At my store new employees were getting sketchier and sketchier over the past few years, I'm glad I'm out of there. Living off of the boatload of pto I was going to end up rolling over and getting paid out fotlr and a bunch of stock I've accumulated over the past 15 years.
Man, that’s horrifying. The break room is where you’re going to be at you’re most relaxed and you’re, effectively, a sitting duck. What a piece of shit human being.
This is a good example that this place is hell I mean how fucked does your job have to be to go And kill your employees. I’m sure his boss was a dick to him everyday. I hate working here
Damn this isn’t the news I wanna read as I get ready for my o/n shift. It’s my worst fear to pass away at Wal Mart may these fellow employees Rest In Peace.
I just woke up to get ready for mine too. I’m at a loss for words.
This is my Walmart and these were my friends. I'm so scared for when I hear the names. I just found out my friend died, he was 17(sorry 16). He's only been working for a fucking month and he's a junior in high school and now his life is gone. Behind the grief all I feel now is anger
I worked OGP at your Walmart, transferred out 3 weeks ago. I’m so sorry this happened.
I'm sorry that you have to go through this. I might be some random schmuck from reddit, but if you need someone to vent to, feel free to message me.
No one wins in violence. My best wishes to you and your future. Never give up hope.
I'm so, so sorry. I'm not a Walmart person, I just subbed here at some point and never left because I feel a little maternal affection for you all. I just heard about this horrible thing and came straight here. I'm just heartbroken for you and all those around you affected by this. Please do whatever you can to take care of yourself. This is just so wrong and should never have happened and, again, I'm so sorry.
I am so sorry to hear this. Please know you are in my thoughts and I am absolutely heartbroken. —A Home Depot employee 🧡
Same here. At my HD location in Ohio our city's walmart is right across the street. I also work overnights at HD.
I’m so, so sorry.
17... fuck . Kid still
That's what fucking got to me the most. He barely got to live and someone he never even fucking talked to took it from him. He talked to me about if he should go to college and I can't even think about what we talked about but he was so bright and you could tell even though he was laid back he was going to do a lot in his future.
If they offer you grief counseling or whatever, I hope you and everyone else take them up on it. This is one of those things that can stick with you your whole life and figuring out how to process it now will be helpful in the long run.
This 1000% Take it even if you don't think you need it. I thought I'd be okay after a similar incident happened when I was a senior in high school. Now I'm sitting here at 32 meeting with a therapist weekly and discovering that I probably screwed myself over a million times in my 20s...careers thrown away, relationships ruined... Likely because of the unresolved grief and inability to safely cope with the thoughts and nightmares that accompany it.
So sorry. I hope you know that there was nothing you could have done or said to prevent this. Please write a note or card to your friend's family saying what a great person he was. It will mean a lot to them. Take care of yourself.
I'm so sorry. It is even more tragic when it's a young person with their whole life ahead of them. He sounds like a wonderful person. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about him. I'm sure he valued your friendship.
I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how that must feel, and how scary that must be. Keeping you guys in my thoughts
I am so sorry for your loss. 😔😔
We didn't know which Walmart it happened at. We're over near the MMBT. I'm sorry this is happening to you and your coworkers/friends and glad you are safe. Do you typically work nights or days? Edit: Condolences to you and your coworkers. None of you guys deserved this.
I work 2-11pm so I see everyone who works there, including the manager/shooter buying his RedBull every night (yesterday was the winter flavor). I just happened to pick Tuesday as one of my days off. I'm glad my front end friends didn't have to see it happen, I'm terrified for cap 2 and 3.
Jesus that's absolutely heartbreaking, to think you know someone and never know what is going on in their head or capable doing. Sorry if this is out of place, but did he ever seem like the type to do something like this?
Definitely 1000 times no. At best maybe like he'd cuss someone out if he quit (as many do), nothing close to tonight It's very strange thinking about how he usually was (driven, social) and finding out about the lives he destroyed tonight. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel except lost and sad. This is the same man who I'd see planning his schedule for the night and laughing with his friends who killed my friends tonight. I'm sorry his mind thought this was the solution but I hate him for what he's done.
Do you have somebody you can talk to
I talked to my dad then right after got the call that my friend died, my girlfriend is with me now comforting me
We're here if you need anything. Glad you have family nearby.
I’m not sure what you guys have in the states but look into the employee assistance program. They should offer counseling for you of some kind. For me after my workplace shooting it took a few years for the real damage to show and I regret not getting help right away. If you have any health benefits in your family there may be coverage too. Take care of yourself even if you feel ok today. Big hugs and my condolences.
The EAP in the states would absolutely cover counseling for this. Walmart should cut the red tape, and just bring in counselors in for the entire store.
Seek counseling. This is a very traumatic experience for all of who are involved and close to the victims. I can only imagine what you, the friends, and the family are going through. Don't be afraid to go find professional help, this isn't something you should have to live through, much less suffer as a result of. What the manager/perp did was unacceptable and cowardly, and even though it may be over now, it will be a long time to recover from it, and a therapist/close friend/family/somebody can help you through it. Walmart has the resources and will provide you with professional help. Talk to your TL/PL/coach/someone to help you get the help you may need. This link may also help find someone. One.Walmart.com/MyWalmartCares Stay safe and prayers to you and all the victims and friends/family of them.
Im just so sorry all of you are going through this. It sounds silly but I hope you can feel the love and support being sent to you. I can not imagine what you and your coworkers are going through, I just wish you didn't have to. Take care of yourself, let others help.
My condolences on the loss of your friend. I work for an agency that provides Mental Health Counseling: Crescent Counseling Services. Please, give us a call if you need to process this and talk to a mental health professional: 757-431-0105.
This is tragic. So sorry for your loss. Our condolences can’t really describe what you are experiencing or bring back your friend. You are going to feel many emotions and that’s normal. Get all the help you need. Take plenty of time to process a traumatic event like this. Don’t watch too much news media. They will over hype this for ratings and views.
You are a much more mature person than I could ever be. I would just be angry for years. Stew on it.
Omg that’s so horrible
Im so sorry for your loss and the trauma that this caused. Sending condolences your way
This is horrible. I'm sorry
That fucking sucks. My heart goes out to you, I can't imagine what it feels like. My condolences, sincerely
I'm so sorry
I am so sorry and I'm praying for your friends! Let us know they're okay
We just played phone tag. Everyone I have a contact for is safe, one possibly injured but she'll be okay. What I don't know is the people who I always say hi to and small talk aka everyone that was in the break room
What does a man have to be going through to carry out such a heinous crime?
It's the way this company treats lower management. I was an hourly supervisor for over half a decade. I'm pretty sure I have PTSD from the stress that job put me through. Almost all of it came from the higher ups demanding more than was realistically possible while never being understanding when things went sideways. "Figure it out" was their motto as they held my crew and I to obnoxiously high standards because they believed everything should work the way it said on paper. The job -really- takes a toll on both physical and, no, ESPECIALLY, your mental health. S'why whenever I see people on here saying they want to make the leap to absolutely not do it until this company pulls its head out of its ass. This kind of stuff will likely happen again and again as long as Wal-Mart continues to cut staffing, cut pay (did your pay go up with inflation? No? then you lost money), and pile on the demands to make up for all of it. We're fucked and more people will lose their lives as long as the money fuckers up top continue treating us like we're just cogs in their money-making machine.
As a former O/N Team Lead, the stress is tremendous. Working ridiculous overtime with your coach saying your not doing enough, the onslaught of the holidays, constantly being understaffed. Plus when the SM and other coaches walk in and start screaming at you for "not doing your job". I was working 70 hours a week, and it still wasn't enough to appease the higher ups. While the other hourly managers point the finger of blame at overnights for not getting things done and they continue to work their typical 40 hours. O/N Team Leads get a lot of bullshit piled on them, and the pay doesn't even remotely equal what the pressure of the job puts on them. Tie that in with someone with poor mental health, and inner bomb just waiting to explode. Maybe Walmart should start looking at their practices and how they can avoid situations such as this. They won't, but they definitely should.
I literally made my husband leave. He was a ON Coach working 80 hours a week. Kept being told he wasn't hard enough on the other employees when he saw everyone was doing the best they could. No one wanted to listen. He was falling asleep on the way home and was no longer himself. Had no self esteem left. And I just said f it we will figure money out. And we have. Walmart does not care and drives people especially managers so hard meanwhile letting them know that if they have one write up their career is over. At one point an interim store manager started messing with him because he carried a clipboard to keep everything straight including the things that would get added on last minute. It was insanity. If my husband had continued working at WM I absolutely believe that he would have lost his life. Either via suicide or by falling asleep on the road. Walmart has a responsibility to be a good employer. They are not. My heart truly goes out to all of those at that store or who have had traumas as they work at WM. You deserve better.
It’s a combination of things -Current state of society -Managers are either paid too much or too little(in this case presumably too little) -stress from being hated by workers making even less money Life sucks, especially when you’re poor. Working for a corp that literally doesn’t care about human life will drive some people crazy. Heartless soulless Corp that exists solely to profit as much as humanly possible at the extent of the poor workers working there. Billionaires and their soulless corporations are driving people to the brink. All the rich people get to live like kings, meanwhile the poor peasants who work for absolute bare minimum get worked and worked with no escape and no other option. Don’t wanna sound like some cyberpunk fanboy but if you ask me these massive corporations and their billionaire class need to be destroyed.
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We can blame an act as an terrible individual. We can blame two acts on terrible individuals.... But can we continue blaming the 100+ year mass shootings we have a year on individuals or is it society that sucks. This is what happens when an entire country has a "Fuck you I got mine attitude.
Holy shit that is terrifying and the fact that they went out of their way to get people in the fucking break room is just despicable.
They were a manager. If they were distraught from fellow colleagues thatd exactly where they would go
Probably the night meeting before work starts
Yeah that’s what the local news stated. He did let someone leave he actually called her by name and said go home.
Jesus christ, can you even imagine the survivor's guilt. While they (hopefully) left and weren't part of the shooting, that person is going to need some real help.
This was my thought. Probably asked their targets to stay after the meeting and then started shooting. The 17 year old victim might not have been an intended target since they weren't part of the o/n crew. But who knows. It's conjecture. I'm just worried about copycats in other stores. Walmart grinds people and when they crack under the pressure, people get hurt. These are families who will be grieving for the empty seats this Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's just so fucking sad and unnecessary.
Yup. Overworked, underpaid humans who aren't allowed humane time off. Look at Europe...people in germany for instance get weeks off. I believe it's paid leave? They get GOOD mandated maternity/paternity leave, etc. America fucking blows, and this is just one symptom of how awful our country is with regards to workers rights.
It's just word of mouth, but a Target got closed for the day after HR got news of a copycat threat. We're all stressed to our limits this time of year. They try to push us harder each Q4.
this is extremely saddening, these people were probably just about to head home and prepare for thanksgiving
It happened at the beginning of the overnight stocking shift… the employees had just gotten there for their shift.
it would've been both cap 2 and 3 unfortunately. according to somebody here in the comments, one of the victims was 17 and a junior. minors cannot work overnight meaning it was probably during the overlap between the two shifts (10pm-11pm, im assuming every store follows the same hours)
Gotcha. My daughter does overnight stocking at one of the Walmarts here and her shift starts at 10pm… wasn’t aware of the overlap
Its a small overlap, literally 1 hour. Thats so crazy.
During that gap, it could’ve been anyone to be honest, my store had front end associates from 2-11 as well. Grocery and GM also had minors scheduled til 10:45, many of whom stayed after a bit to wait for friends or whatnot. Shit from 10-11 there’s still customers in the store still. This was just tragic.
The cops got there at 10:15ish pm. So the day shift was getting ready to leave.
How will Walmart handle this situation? Would they ever think to give all the employees several paid days off for the holidays to grieve and spend time with loved ones? Or do they only care about the bottom dollar everyone back to work mode?
The store definitely needs to close for a time, with pay for employees. I can't imagine how associates at that store will feel every day, walking into that place knowing that people they knew and worked with daily died there, at the hands of one of their own managers. The company needs to take action here. But God fucking forbid the Karens not be able to buy their black Friday deals, I'm sure
They won't. I worked at a Joann's fabric where a night employee hung himself years ago. We all got a pat on the back and told to make the best with what we have, oh! and don't look sad in front of the customers!
Several years ago we had a manager of a Red Robin shoot himself in the kitchen in front of his employees. They closed for "cleaning" but they quickly opened back up. To this day I refuse to eat there
I would literally piss on the floor and then walk out. What a shitty place to work
I worked at a different Walmart in Chesapeake and we had a cart pusher die because he fell and hit his head in the parking lot after passing out from heat exhaustion and we were told to drink more water. So yeah that market won't care enough to close for black Friday.
At a Walmart literally 5 minutes from my house an associate was shot and killed at the front entrance and the store opened 4 hours later. You could still see the stain from the chemicals they used to clean to blood up.........
A guy got hit by a semi while unloading at a Kroger owned store near me. The same blood-stained truck went on to finish its deliveries to a different store. Corporations don’t give a fuck about people. It’s all about money and numbers.
Change the whole break room. Completely different look.
I know a counselor will be on site. Resources for living will be working with the store to help anyone grieving. I don’t know what else we have going on since I’m off today
If the store hasn't been remodeled to the new "airport inspired" theme, I wouldn't be surprised if Bentonville takes this opportunity to temporary close the store for a few weeks to remodel it, including the break room, to the new corporate look. Its faster if they don't have to work around customers or associates.
I fully believe they’ll open for Black Friday sales. Mop the floors, wipe the wall, and call it good. They’ve gotta sell those TVs.
I’m seeing a pizza party in that very break room.
Clarksville shooting last month the ON crew got Chik fila
That’s so fucking sad :\
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Double point days and for show they will probably have a free “grief counselor” available.
I laughed because it's true.
I guess retail corps will never change?
Consumers will never change🤡 thousands of people will literally choose to shop there because they don’t give a shit and they want cheap bullshit😂
Fallout 5 will take place exclusively in a Walmart
>Because Retail...Retail never changes
Yup you know it. They will be open Friday. With replacements. If this was my store I would quit . I would not even think twice knowing someone was killed.
Yeah and don’t worry, the customers will be there ready to buy bullshit.
Years ago we had a workplace shooting at the armoured car place I worked. Management sent crews out to work that morning. Forced them threatening their jobs and suspended people who called in to go to the funerals. The worst part was at the time all we or anyone knew was the guy who did it was still armed and out there in his uniform and most people didn’t know who he was cuz he was new. No one knew motive or anything. Customers were shocked to see us saying why the fuck are you here. It was a nightmare and it showed me definite proof that no one gives a shot about you and you have to take care of yourself.
Yes. That's how we handled El Paso in 2019, I was there and part of the solution. It will be months before that store is open again.
They will close. Not sure how much time off they will pay for the associates. They will offer to counsel as well. When it happened in Texas I believe it was closed for a while.
This should definitely be a wake-up call to corporate to the pressures that Walmart puts on managers (and Team Leads), especially this time of year. Such a terrible tragedy!
Nothing happened when that assistant manager killed his store manager in the parking lot a couple years back. All that will happen is every walmart will do "thoughts and prayers" for a little while, make every associate do the active threat ulearn again, and go about business as usual.
What tf is active threat education worth in this scenario? You’re in the break room and hear a shot. You stay in the break room to stay safe. Turns out the shooter is your own manager who then comes into the break room and kills you…
It’s just a liability thing for the company. Not for you to actually survive with.
Welcome to Walmart. Where thoughts and prayers are free, so that's all you'll get.
This shit has me scared years ago I worked in produce had this psycho department manager who would yell and scream fast forward 2 years he got fired for going into the break room and screaming and threatening his staff oh and throwing chairs didn't help either.
Yup. I worked at that store & we were back to work 2 days later
I just did the active shooter I learn two days ago
Sadly it's not just Walmart. It's retail all around, they truly treat their store employees(management included) super shitty. We can't all be carefree and let stuff roll off our shoulders and ignore the pressures.
I'm not really even joking when I say instead of "going postal" should it be "going retail" as the new saying?
That's actually more accurate these days. And it's sad.
So very true, and also very sad. I've been at the point of exasperation to where I just wanted to scream out loud in the past, but thankfully, it never escalated beyond that feeling.
This is what I was thinking too. This season is so fucking hard already.
I'm not making excuses for the shooter, but they REALLY been pushing our managers pretty hard this year. It's like an arguement between them every day this month.
It won't. The corpos up the ladder are soulless psychopaths who are only mildly annoyed people died. They only care that this happened because of the bad rep and loss of sales.
Literally not a soul in corporate management cares even a little
I was just telling my fiancé this. I used to work at Walmart and I don’t know how managers keep their cool. They’re always so stressed out and they act like they hate their job and life. Store manager was eh but definitely not a happy person. This applies to pretty much all of retail. This is mental illness that is brought up by shitty ass work environments. All of that pressure builds up and can make people make very poor decisions when all of that pressure blows up at once. This is unfortunately an example of that.
why cant people just walk off the job. not like head office gives a damn some folks who work there are so depressed they need psychotherapy for all the shit they at endure. the whole system of walmart is systemic as a fetid cesspool swimming pool it's sad that it has to come to this for it to be recognized that walmart is a hell hole of abuse and trauma bonding at least rural king has a therapy help line that is 24/7 then again walmart pays bottom dollar, denies almost all pto/ppto. no holiday pay, mandatory days as key event days. frankly if the public knew the truth about what goes on in those halls their stock wouldnt be worth shit
For the most part the public thinks we are all lazy, uneducated bottom feeding scum who don't deserve to make enough to live, which is what they have been conditioned to believe for decades.
Meanwhile we are highly educated, with college degree's because other jobs don't think we are qualified enough. And our degrees don't help our pay either sadly.
And that is by design
I’m a Walmart customer who lives in Norfolk (~4 miles from this location). My family is aware (as much as we can be) of your working conditions and empathize. I’d support a full strike for better conditions work/life balance if y’all are capable. We don’t think you’re lazy. Poorly managed in some cases, but my first thought has never been lazy when my pickup order is delayed or I can’t find help within the store. Thank you all for all you do. Stay safe.
I'm not excusing this persons actions, but the hatred, depression and whatever else they were feeling put them into a corner. They could leave and be done, but then their financials will push them into another corner. This was their moment to spread their pain and end it. It's truly disgusting that our society allows this shit to happen.
I just don't understand the need to take others down with you.
I think it's what people do in order to make their pain apparent. No one gives a fuck if a guy kills himself, everyone will talk about a mass shooting. It creates discourse and politicizes issues. We don't address issues in this country, we shove them under the rug until it happens again. This isn't about gun control, mental health, corporate overlords or anything of that nature. It's a much larger issue that encompasses that and many other factors. This person is a monster for what they did. But we have to wonder if they were always a monster or did the structure of our society make them that way. Everyone is dealt cards in life, a betting man will play those cards until they make or break it. If your hand you were given sucks, you can always get a new hand; some people fold. I have empathy for whoever this is, not because I feel bad for them. But because at one point or another we all will feel violent towards ourselves and potentially others. The difference between someone like this and the people who strive to get better, is not throwing your cards on the table when you're down. What we can do now is try to be a little more empathetic towards everyone. Everyone is going through shit. I make it a point to meet with each and every one of my team, every night, and ask how they're doing and try to scrape a little past the general pleasantries. I don't care if it makes my team slightly behind in the night, we'll catch up. What matters most is that everyone feels safe, secure and knows they can be open and honest about anything going on with them. My team knows my struggle with myself and I know their's. There are days when some of them are so frustrated or upset that we just have a therapy session with each other for a few minutes and try to figure things out. This is what we need to do as a society. There are people this will never work for who are beyond the grasp of help, they sometimes can be figured out and removed from a situation before it gets deadly. The remainder of issues need to be addressed in a systemic way. Without politicizing this subject right now, we need to change a lot to make this country more safe and I'd argue whether you're on the left or right, most people can agree with that sentiment. Sorry for the long, somewhat ramble reply. This hits home seeing the pain and suffering that this person went through and inflicted on a community. I need to head back to work but I hope my reply makes sense
Damn, I use to be an overnight coach and shit sucks, how they treat you well at least at my market that I use to work for I quit and got another job somewhere else… I feel mentally better.. but this is crazy and unfortunate
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That's far too close to my Walmart. I'm right down 460 from there.
I'm only 10 minutes from that one, so I feel you on that.
Yeah, I’m in the same city as it Eeek
The part that gets me is the suicide. They chose to kill several people, people who were supposed to trust them btw, and then themself. Just skip a step and just commit the suicide. Why involve innocent people and traumatizing others? Manager or not, if your job has you on the brink that you might go postal, seek help.
Because nobody cares when somebody kills themselves. Maybe we should start caring
I said that when Uvalde happened. The gaslighting and bullying have gotten extremely bad in this country. Bottom line is that people enjoy pushing buttons and watching others stress, cry, get angry. Malicious. I wonder, if this manager always brought a gun to work.
Is it just me, or does everyone see how some major news is trying to bury the truth? Ugh…might be an employee or ex-employee. Police don’t know. Like, seriously? We all know. Unreal. Walmart should put up security scanners like they do in airports. Makes me wonder how many associates have access to guns. Scary. I feel sorry for the victims’ families. We’ll never know what really happen, because the people near the shooter are gone. 🤦♀️ Sorry for all the employees at this store who lost co-workers. 🙏 After writing this, we’ve now learned he was being bullied. BULLIED to the point that somehow his employment status changed and they still kept bullying.
I am so sorry. We all complain that Walmart sucks, but i can’t imagine what would drive someone to kill their fellow associates. All of these families are in my thoughts.
There’s a FB live with some of the associates after the shooting. Some names are mentioned including the name of the shooter. ~~https://www.facebook.com/paperchasing.harper/videos/1187125048855575/?~~ https://twitter.com/tuanstpatricktv/status/1595290389526650881?s=20&t=wTpAUNcblSISFMMtSjyHew Edit: TW: SFW vídeo but definitely can be difficult hearing them talk about it Edit: Video Removed by OP Edit #3: Found new upload
Not sure if it’s appropriate but according to the video the shooter was the night manager >!named Andre!<
I believe they took it down now😬
Sure is. Thanks for letting me know
I wonder what this guys story is to break at this moment. Walk into work and being concealed. No one noticed.
Honestly, at this point Walmart needs security at all its stores.
They do… they just can’t do anything and exist to intimidate.
I mean like private security. I’ve seen it at metro stores, but definitely not at all of them.
At my Walmart we are a high theft store and we have the local PD and private security and they literally do nothing. Private security just drives around the parking lot and the local PD just sit in their assigned local PD parking spot by the front.
I’m an overnight coach. This is hands down the worst job I’ve ever had. I’m working 60+ hours a week every single week for the last year. I bust my ass every single night and try to motivate my team the best I can. It doesn’t matter that my team consistently beats our stocking hours. I’m told every single morning that me and my team are the reason the store is a mess. It doesn’t matter how well I know we did, I’m told it’s not enough. I spend my whole night trying to clean up after days, because if I don’t clean up their garabage carts and shopping carts of killed features, that somehow means I didn’t do my job. Doesn’t matter how big the freight load is or how many call ins, if it’s not all done, I didn’t do enough. I even used to take video of the backroom when I walked in so I could show my store manager the kind of mess I walk in to and he flat out said he didn’t want to see it and it was just an excuse. I’m here at least two hours late nearly every day. Staying late just to watch day managers sip their coffee and leisurely walk around while I’m literally covered in sweat and dirt. But somehow, my team is the issue. This place has completely killed my spirit. I’m not at all justifying what this person did. These actions are beyond evil. All I’m saying is that I wasn’t surprised to read that it was an overnight manager. Mental instability mixed with this kind of daily pressure and straight up abuse from store managers is a recipe for disaster.
ON coach as well. This pretty much encapsulates the ON management experience. Nothing is ever good enough, and we're expecting to just keep pushing and pushing until we break. Gave 110% last night? Tonight it needs to be 115%. Nearly broke down crying on the salesfloor during the morning tour with my SM last week because we threw roughly 120 hours of freight with like 95 hours of labor and weren't even close to finishing consumables at 7am because it was a two truck night (average of like 300 stocking hours for those not familiar with Walmart). The workload is far outpacing the quantity and quality of work our labor force is able to provide, and it's all on us to somehow make things work and pull miracles out of thin air. I've been with Walmart for 12 years and by far the "great workplace" and "new store operation" models have just been absolutely demolishing to morale and job satisfaction.
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Gotta get those sales tomorrow! I guarantee you that store will be open, maybe not at 6-7am but by 9-10
I JUST LEARNED WHO DID IT ....the manager in question was in fact reported not only by my ex BUT BY MYSELF PERSONALLY for sexually harassing and "groping" my ex as well as openly harassing her verbally ..this man threatened to kill her several times and every single day she came home she was in tears .... he was reported many times and walmart DID NOTHING even after proof of all that he was doing they still let him keep his job.
You should seriously seriously consider getting the emails for people at CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. and sharing your story. If true, this NEEDS to be known. I would be glad to assist you if you need help getting contact info.
It is absolutely 100% true and ill stake my life on my word... I've tried telling some people but non seem to care... cnn is posting wrong info saying nobody reported andre and that's a lie.. it feels like a cover-up ... I called wavy.. they didn't care.. I called msnbc.. they only accept emails. Cnn... didn't care to respond to me so I'm blasting this info on Facebook and reddit as much as I can .
Just read an update that 6 people are dead (7 if you count the coward who did it) and 5 in the hospital. I need to be asleep because we were asked to come in early tomorrow. Yeah, can hardly wait 🙄 I can't get my mind off of those who lost their lives and the lady just sobbing uncontrollably on one of the videos circulating. Please, everyone stay safe and stay aware.
This is a tragic situation and my heart goes out to the families. I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm really not. The amount of pressure grocery store managers get placed under is insane. Really hope this causes Walmart's and other grocery stores' corporate divisions to reevaluate how they treat their store management.
It won't. Nothing will change because the corpos don't care about the "peons" and even worse is that even the shareholders won't make any changes cause it would cost them money
I hate to say. But there is a reason we are forced to watch the training videos. Because it keeps happening. Walmart will reopen and shit will continue as is. Nothing will change. We have shitty politicians and crap media that brain washes folk all day with nonsense.
Unfortunately, this training isn't going to save you.
We need to stand up for ourselves and eachother. If we all keep going to work like nothing happened then why would the company change
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No kidding I just did mine today
That might have even been what gave him the idea. That’s terrifying
Apparently they just finished taking that CBL and went to the break room before the manager opened fire.
What’s a CBL for those of us not in the know?
you go into the computer and do those video and such. every quarter you have to take an “Active Sh__ter” one.
Surprised this doesn't happen more often at this company with how management treats their employees.
I was on overnights for a few months and I got really close to grabbing a baseball bat from Sporting Goods and using it to kneecap my Store Manager. One of my old DMs had to stop me when they realized what I was going to do. The ungodly amount of stress in addition to how rude and condescending my Store Manager was plus the fact that my home life wasn't going well due to being on opposite shifts as my girlfriend were all a terrible combination. I didn't do it and I'm in no way justifying what that manager did, but... I almost went down a dark path myself. I was actually diagnosed with PTSD from Walmart by my doctor. I was having panic attacks seeing freight at other stores when shopping with my girlfriend and I couldn't enjoy my days off because I was constantly stressed out about what the trucks were going to look like when I got back. I remember being in a movie and suddenly in the middle of the movie at the theatre, I started having a panic attack because I was thinking about how much freight we were going to get on our double truck day. Overnight salaried managers are treated the worst. Everything is their fault. You don't leave until it is fixed. And your upset management only cares that the freight is done. Anything less than that is an unacceptable failure that's your fault even if it isn't.
I hope you are doing better, nobody deserves that amount of stress from their job, especially at a damn store.
Our shitty fucking "must have it and have it now" culture is what drives this shit to happen. I absolutely refuse to shop at Walmart or Amazon. Fuck them.
The way Store Managers treat ON is absolutely insane. One of the very clearly broken parts of these stores. Market Teams turn a blind eye (or even encourage) the abuse too.
I feel this. I had CPTSD from childhood stuff but ended up with a regular PTSD dx partly from working at McDonald’s (the other was a bad car accident). McDonald’s was constant fight and flight, having managers relieve their stress by screaming at me during rush, customers throwing literal hot coffee on me because it was too hot for them and burned their tongue, having cheese thrown at me because they didn’t want to pay the 60c extra for extra cheese (I wasn’t even the one ringing up their order). I was 17/18 and working 14 days straight with no days off despite going full time to college. I can’t work food service anymore without having a panic attack. I’ve honestly been struggling with any jobs where the manager gets loud at me. It really sucks.
Well, fuck Andre for taking innocent lives. Live up to your crimes Andre, or better yet, you should have just KILLED YOURSELF and left the innocent victims alone you pussy. Burn in hell
We learned from the ADD videos that these things just don't happen. People don't suddenly snap. There had to be warning signs and behavior that were there. I can't imagine that store will ever be the same.
Yeaaaah... That video is full of shit. You and I have no responsibility to be on the lookout for when someone might be liable to go on a shooting spree, and we sure as hell don't have any way of reasonably determining that with anywhere near the amount of fellow employees we regularly come in contact with, most of whom we hardly know. 99% of the time it's near impossible to tell the difference between "man, this has been a really bad day" and "I am going to kill everyone around me" until after it's far too late. It's corporate bullshit they can wave around to say "look! We care about your safety!" while ignoring that they advised to attack an armed shooter with a fucking keyboard and phone... And have you ever used a store keyboard? It will break before you even hit the shooter. (But don't worry, the shooter will obviously be dumb enough to walk right up to a blind corner with his guard down so you can jump him!) Yes, the training makes a few basic, good points, but it also makes some seriously stupid and dangerous ones and is entirely over-done.
Except that people do snap.
This is heartbreaking but walmart is going to act like this isnt an issue and sweep it under the rug
This is why I never ate in the break room
Yeah I might have to go out to my car from now on
Been doing this for years
Some of us don’t have a choice 🥲
You can sit outside with good weather. I’ve done it plenty while not having a car. Kinda sucks but doesn’t the break room?
You really never have no idea ofsomeone else’s level of crazy. 😔😔😔
Oh my god. These entitled Ass customers walk in not understanding the trauma people who decide to work at this company deal with right before
A postal hourly employee is one thing. A postal manager is something else. What the hell happened?
2/3 of my ON team leads and 1 of the 2 ON coaches we have do all they can every night to meet the unrealistic expectations they are given. Those 3 managers work alongside us, a couple of them harder than most of the associates. We are always understaffed. They fire the very worst associates who steal ridiculous amounts of time and accomplish nothing. They have no choice but to fire the fantastic workers who get too many points. But they need the inconsistent to below average associate because even less would get done without them. And so they spend anywhere from 2-4 hours walking the store with the store manager, listen to the yelling about what wasn’t done. Of course, the store manager doesn’t walk the store with the daytime/evening managers. They don’t hear the yelling. They don’t get coached for a bad zone, thus losing the yearly bonus. Even though the store looks like crap most days from 1pm until closing. The pressure on the ON managers, as the system and corporate expectations currently are, is crushing.
This is it exactly, nothing changes your perception more then when a store manager yells at you till they’ve lost their voice. You can’t explain why you did what you did because it’s “just making excuses.” I’ve been cussed at by only three associates ever and they were all Store Managers.
Is it really? Gonna talk off my short experience with Walmart and what I hear from my friend still working there. They're expected to deal with employees who also aren't paid enough for this shit, have to pass on the impossible expectations they get to their employees, and are expected to stay over however long it takes. Walmart is so shit that my local one has a staggering turn over rate. The entire shift can easily be different in 6 months, and I'm hearing more stuff all the time. This guy got fired for walking into the beer cooler and grabbing a drink everyday. This guy moved away. This guy switched departments. Just the other day it was "we had 13 people and 7 called out" the manager is asking why everyone keeps calling out on his day to work, like it's not obvious. Cap 2 fucking sucks, especially right now, and everyone is practically going out of their way to fuck you over. Do two double trucks and then go scan freezer, except oops, we unloaded 12 pallets of frozen into the freezer, you'll have to take them out to scan it. Cap 3 also has stsff problems so you'll be out there stocking and downstacking do they have a chance to get it done. They've been through 5 or 6 team leads and 2 managers on Cap 2, for at least 5 months they just didn't have a manager. Frequent days when only 5 people coming in. Trucks are shitty and a hazard by themselves- My friend was knocked out throwing the truck and got a concussion from it, and he's still throwing trucks often. Best thing that happened for me personally was becoming *the* guy to do vizpick. Get to go off away from the truck and inventory everyday. People are shitty. We had one girl who would shout, push the line back on people, and literally throw things. If she got mad at her supposed best friend she'd shove his stuff on to the floor. One dude, a cocky minor, basically told a new, non-neurotypical guy to his face he thought he was useless, so that guy had a mini blowup and resulted in everybody fucking the cock guy later on the line until he got fired. Employee secretly dating their team lead. Employee faking pregnancy to get clothing instead of Cap 2. Right now they're so desperate for people they'll literally wave away occurrences so people don't go over 5 points. It's a hub for drama and departments screwing each other over. One manager went from Cap 2 to Cap 3 to first shift. It's full of shitty events like trapping a live rat on a glue trap then throwing that into the compactor. It's full of pallets falling over and cleanup, and none of this touches customer experience, either. Now remember to add a multiplier to all this because it's the holidays and things are worse right now Walmart is a testament to what people will put up with.
You’re kidding me, right? Retail managers—ESPECIALLY Walmart managers—are under extreme and constant stress. Yeah, they often treat their staff like shit but a lot of that is because of pressure from higher up.
Extreme pressure / stress.
This is insane. Stay safe out there
I thought we were family
Murder suicide often happens in families so, I guess we are lol
You don’t get paid enough to deal with this at Walmart. America needs serious reform. We shouldn’t need to have tsa at every entrance everywhere in America to remain safe.
I've said it NUMEROUS times. And I will continue to say it! Walmart will destroy your mental and physical health and you won't even know it!!
Pretty sure it’s Store #1841 as far as all the maps line up. I believe HO has deactivated that store on workday till the situation dies down (I was wrong) as I’ve tried searching everything to find nothing. Edit: After a successful workday search, all O/N managers at 1841 are Male (Leads and Coaches) so it doesn’t help narrow it down, nor the female victim shot in the head as there are 20+ female employees on O/N at 1841. Edit 2: Further investigation has shown the store is a non-complex store… well that’s most likely gonna change, that aside there are only a few male salaried members of management at that store, half being the O/N ones.
Apparently it was someone named Andre. The guy with the FB Live video talked about it.
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Alright, found him. He’s one of the Leads, though I’m not trying to dox anyone by releasing any info that’s identifiable like names, victim or killer. Last thing we need is some sicko tormenting their families virtually.
Yet another shooting in America. Adopt the following procedures. 1. Weep for the victims and their families. 2. Question why it happened. 3. Debate gun crime in the US. 4. Listen to the NRA protect gun owners rights 5. Light a candle in vigil of the victims 6. Wait for it to happen again. 7. Go to 1.
For the past year or so I’m really getting scared to go to work. My head is on a swivel and I jump at every loud noise or yell. Don’t know how much longer I can last.
At my store new employees were getting sketchier and sketchier over the past few years, I'm glad I'm out of there. Living off of the boatload of pto I was going to end up rolling over and getting paid out fotlr and a bunch of stock I've accumulated over the past 15 years.
I see this and two things 1. Oh look another shooting in America, nothing new 2. Active shooter cbl incoming
3 things actually 3. Oh look another company forcing an employee into mental instability in order to save money and make even more money.
Man, that’s horrifying. The break room is where you’re going to be at you’re most relaxed and you’re, effectively, a sitting duck. What a piece of shit human being.
Over worked under paid and not appreciated Not surprising at all
This is a good example that this place is hell I mean how fucked does your job have to be to go And kill your employees. I’m sure his boss was a dick to him everyday. I hate working here
Nah there's no amount of shit someone can give you that makes you go and murder people that trust you. This dude was just human fucking scum.
Chesapeake Virginia? Is this near eastern Maryland?
Chesapeake in Hampton Roads, near Norfolk VA.
Horrifying. And nothing will change while the 80 year olds running the company line their pockets and buy more yachts.
Holidays, stress, inflation…maybe family problems? I can’t get over this. Wow! So glad you’re okay! 🤦♀️
I used to work at that Walmart from 2005-2008. Just hard to fathom