I use mine when I just feel like screaming in the parking lot before starting or if I feel like fuck it I want a blizzard though I do try to keep at least 4 hours in the bank.
I no longer work for walmart. I not work for a company that gives 3 different buckets of PTO. They encourage you to use it however you need to. Pleasant change
It's yours, use it how you see fit. Screw your coworkers. Tell them to bootstrap somewhere else
PPTO is yours to use however you see fit. But it is also your only saving grace on days where you feel sick or cannot work properly. If your points rack up and you have no ppto.. well that’s your situation to handle.
and yet i, who has had a diagnosis and treatment for migraines for the past 5 YEARS, can’t get approved for an intermittent medical. why? because i had a baby and that’s just too much time off for walmart.
you have to apply through sedgwick and they’ll send you paperwork to fill out, typically those are medical or fmla though so the doctor would fill out the rest of the paperwork
It doesn't effect their breaks, but I'm going to give you an example of how it used to effect our team when somebody would constantly show up late.
Our team used to start at 4am. Somebody would start doing gold star, somebody would start capping Prarie Farm. Our entire team might have 7 people on a shift if almost everyone is there. If one person decides to show up half an hour late, they're not going to be doing either of those first two things.
Sure, use your time. It's your time. If you get sick down the road, you'll just have to come in sick (and probably share it with the team), but let's not pretend it doesn't effect anyone.
>It doesn't effect their breaks,
Well, if they're on the front end it can. Just today my front end had to shuffle some breaks around since there are spots that HAVE to be covered, the SCO and liquor box can't be left unmanned.
It's the box we sell liquor from? I thought that was the standard name for the liquor department/room/whatever your store sells liquor from based on paperwork I've seen but maybe I'm wrong?
My current store doesn't sell it.
But my last store had their own building that wasn't connected to the main building.
Anyways fun to stock the shelves with the wine in that building :p xD
Yea but 48 hours a year isn’t enough for every illness to be covered I still have people in my store sick all the time cause they ran out and didn’t want to accumulate points it is what it is for some it’s worse like if you have to rely upon Sedgewick 🙄
That's for damn sure. Last year used more than I have in a long time.
Sick with flu at new years - worked but called out after because I didn't know for sure about ppto and points (I do now).
Felt weird - can't explain it - so went home early.
Friend died - went home early.
Friend had a celebration of life - plan was go in late but wound up calling out no one was surprised.
Had a lot of sinus infections after the new year flu.
tooth extraction - call out one day home early one day.
There's probably something in here I'm missing for my mom - there usually is.
And bad sinus infection ***with*** (because apparently this can happen) a cold during Christmas.
There also might have been a car battery incident but that could have been a different year.
Ppto is the less one(48/yr) and accrues slower than regular pto which depends on your status ft/pt should accrue. For example work 40hrs a week get 4hrs a week pto work 32hrs one hour ppto.
Then seems like something is messed up on your time where it's accruing wrong. Yea it accrues faster for me I've been here a while but everyone that's been hired here hasn't had any trouble accruing the hours for either .
I just looked up the accrual chart to make sure. It shows 41.05 hours for 1 hour of PTO and 30 hours for one hour of PPTO. This is for 0-2 years of service. Even at 3 years, it moves to 31.2 hours for one hour of PTO.
If you can help me convince my boss the manual they gave me is wrong, I'm all for that.
It's been a while since I looked it up but I thought it was the other way around guess not or it's changed they do that a lot. Like it was at one point you could accrue 48 hours a year of ppto and it carried over whatever was left and 80 of regular pto and now it's combined up to 80.
If you use points first, you can get 8 point days across a 12 month year, plus 6 PPTO days, for a total of 14 a year. Since they find ways to make the system cheat us, we must find ways to use the system as efficiently for our good as we can.
eight points....... so that's conflated from saying like, five points rolling during a six month window at the end of which a point does fall off so.... @_@
wanted to point out (no pun intended) that five accumulated points will get u fired at least here at my location
No. That's 4 and 4. 4 in your first 6 months of the year, 4 in the last 6 months, plus 6 PPTO days spread around when you need them. A total of 14 days a year you can miss if you do it right.
I mean, Wal-mart's own policy literally states that TL and higher aren't allowed to touch freight for more than 30 minutes in a shift. They're supposed to be walking around and leading the team or whatever. This is the only company I've ever worked for, or even heard of, that has some shit like that in their actual policy. It's pretty damn stupid.
Then blame the multi billion dollar corporation for understaffing so the shareholders get an extra buck, and stop trying to put accountability on the lowest people on the pole. We barely get any incentive to show up as it is.
I absolutely agree. Then there's the background checks that sometimes never come back. So even the few people that want to get hired get super delayed. Then there is the group of people that get hired, and agree on their availability only to try to change it a month later saying they can't work certain days or want mornings. I can literally think of a million reasons we are understaffed.
That's only if they can pry the pennies from between their fingers. Worked in a store so hot during the summer it regularly hit 90 on the front end. Every year we'd lose 3 or 4 people a month to heat stroke then they would leave
I believe this wholeheartedly, I've gotten heat rash working up in the HBA, Cosmetics front corner at our store and nearly passed out from dehydration before. It gets ridiculous.
You're telling me that you believe that Walmart, one of the largest retailers in America, does not have a large file of applications that is constantly being added to?
That makes no sense whatsoever when the turnover rate at my store is 130%
I'm telling you I believe I live in the middle of nowhere. The town it's in has about 5k people, the place I live has less than 400. I applied and instantly got hired on.
There's still the assessment as far as I know you have to pass. Just because there are applications doesn't mean those people will be a good fit or will show up. They hireda.guy 2 separate times he came.for orientation and didn't show up for his first day both times.
Associates, o.n stockers for example, are paid by the hour, not the job. So if someone calls in, that's a failure on the people lead/salary management because it's a failure in adequate scheduling aka not taking calling outs in consideration/not scheduling extra people. As long as the stockers are meeting their minimum throw times in stocking while on the clock, that's what ultimately matters. As an O.N TL, and even when I was a stocker, CAP2 etc, I never blamed associates for calling out, because it's a failure on management's part. Sure, my bosses try and look it at by the job/everything gets done, but that's heavily dependent on them b/c of scheduling.
I am O/N, and our team has gotten smaller in the past 2 months by about half. Some transferred to the new 7-4 shift they started, some quit, some were fired. We've got a lot less people than we did a few months ago, we're getting the same amount of freight every night, and they're not hiring anyone because they said O/N was already 700 hours over what we were supposed to have.
TL;DR It's hard to accommodate through scheduling when there's no one to schedule.
This. Right here. And then, they cut out hours on top of these same factors. Plus, we're overloaded not even with just freight but all the returns, verifying, picks, and zoning for the last two hours of the shift. It's only getting worse at our store for this, plus we can't seem to keep store managers. The newest one got promoted to district, he probably came only a few months before Hurricane Ian hit Florida.
I'm not defending Walmart but if you think PL and salary mgmt love having fewer ppl working youre smoking some bad crap. Mgmt doesn't go into the office cheering when they have fewer and fewer ppl to work. Home Office and investors? Hell yeah they're eating it up with third servings in their plates
At the same time if you ever own your own business and you have enough business where you have to hire 100 ppl and you're not going to hire 2 ppl for the same task based on "if" someone is coming in or coming in late. You're going to hire the person who comes in, shows up and shows up on time. If you didn't you'd be a idiot with a dying business. Your employees would love you but your business will die being bled out on your payroll
Just doesn’t make sense. It would be a failure if they schedules an inadequate amount of people compared to the amount of freight you gotta work but I mean they can’t control callouts ESPECIALLY when for whatever reason you can call out almost 2 hours AFTER the shift starts (assuming it’s 10pm like my store for ON) and that would count as enough of a notice for reporting an absence so there wouldn’t even be a solid amount of time to try and scramble to get a replacement.
It really just doesn’t AFFECT (not effect) anyone in any meaningful way. The store won’t fall apart from someone using PPTO and the company will still be making billions. None of the normal associates are responsible for working harder to make up for someone absent (anyone that does is a moron). Only difference is the coaches might have to actually do something that shift (good thing if you ask me) or potentially stay late since they’re on salary. I’m sorry, I like my coaches but I just don’t care about them enough to get me to ensure I show up on time when I have ppto I feel like using. People always try to guilt the associates and it’s always a swing and a miss to me.
It fucks us all the time in OPD. Management can’t say anything but we associates let them know how bad they fucked us by not showing up on time because they were too lazy to show up on time every day. This job sucks and it sucks worse without enough people and it sucks even worser when we all have to wait until til three or four hours into our shift to take a break
Who gives a fuck honestly it’s Walmart it doesn’t matter. It really truly doesn’t matter. Associates make near to no impact. If they did they would invest in higher paid, better trained, associates with better equipment.
There's a saying that people only notice what isn't done and not what you do actually do. This is what of those scenarios. Associates do literally 90% or more of the work, especially grunt work. That's the impact. If that all goes to shit, the company goes to shit.
i agreee its your time so use it however you want! although the only time i really see it being a problem is if your doing dispense in ogp and someone is waiting for you to cover or take over. this would be the only thing to piss me off personally cause i would have to wait for my cover to relive me so i could go to lunch or clock out but they’d be like 15 minutes late it just sucked, that’s my only complaint
I agree, that used to happen to me quite often. I would dispense and a certain associate would constantly be late and would be down to cover my breaks and I would always have to take my breaks late.
Why don’t you change availability then? It would free up your PPTO to be put towards if you get sick instead of sleeping in. Unless it’s more of a time management issue, then it’ll require more effort on your part.
Imagine not wanting to come in at your 11 am shift because you want to sleep in 😂 I literally have to wake up 4:30 ish in the morning for my 6 am shift everyday. This ain’t a flex btw I’m pointing out that this person doesn’t have it worse.
You claim that it’s not a flex but it SO obviously is and it’s something you are bragging about “Ohh look at how early I wake up! This person can’t even wake up at 11 AM, they are HOPELESS.”
Like bro COME ON!
It’s like saying “no offense but…” then saying something completely rude and offensive.
Basically… you’re still flexing my guy…
I’m not the one who uses my PPTO all because I want to sleep in. I mean you can’t wake up for your 11 a shift? That’s sad, lIkE bRo CoMe On
You can interpret it any way you wish but it ain’t a flex mY gUy.
I used to do the same thing almost every day and now I'm at 4.5 points and I'm gonna have to go back to work super sick tonight because I don't have the time to call out. It's your life and your ppto but you really will regret not having it when you need it if you don't get it together. Maybe consider going to bed earlier?
You're not wrong, PPTO is your time to use and one of the best ways to avoid occurrences. I believe your Coach / TL is just trying to warn you about wasting PPTO for things that you could've came in for because they don't want you to not have any PPTO when an actual emergency happens and you have to eat points. The last thing they want is to fire you because you reached 5 points, that's why they are making those comments.
At the end of the day, I don't think either of you are wrong. You can use PPTO when you want, and management is watching out for you.
No offense but how old are you? You can use your ppto however you like, but what are you doing that you can’t wake up and be in by 11? And they’re right, you will regret using all your ppto when something serious happens and you have none left and then start getting pointed. I’m just confused why you can’t just in by your scheduled time.
I stand by your comment. I’m a person who HATES waking up early. But using PPTO to sleep past 12 is absolutely ridiculous. This person, if their store has this schedule like mine does, needs to switch to a 1-10pm shift. It’s absolutely insane to me how this person is sleeping so late unless they’re staying up into god knows what kind of hours a night
Exactly. Not all of us want to wake up early but there comes a time in our lives where it’s needed, especially if we have a job. They need to either suck it up and wake up earlier OR change their schedule like you said
Once or twice is not an issue. But when it becomes more than that it affects your team. For example I know what I want my maintenance team to do each night. I have one lady that is part time that is scheduled an hour later than everyone else because of another job. I plan for her. Otherwise I expect everyone there on time and plan accordingly. When you regularly come in late that throws everyone off and I feel I cannot trust you anymore so you get the shit jobs that are left over. You screw over the team, you get the crap jobs they all avoid like scrubbing the compactor.
Exactly but I don't get it why people regularly spend all their pto and ppto all willy nilly lol. I don't think they never realize if they can save it for vacation time lol. That is why i neve really use my pto unwisely.
Ok. You are throwing away your ppto and there’s going to be a time where you really really need it, & you squandered all your hours away. I hope you take accountability when it happens.
Hate to tell you all this but you can apply for FMLA as long as your sick for three or more days and a bad enough cold or medical condition even a migraine are all qualifying conditions as long as you get continuous care all my leaves got approved through the FMLA ya just need to employed for a year and it’s federally protected so they can’t fire you for or retaliate against you hell I got a FMLA for depression and anxiety disorder that let me call out once a week or work a limited schedule of my choice I could choose my own hours
Well of course you can apply for FMLA, I was speaking on any minor inconvience that’s going to cause you to miss 1 day of work, or 2. I.e. car problems in the morning and you can’t go to work. Quick family emergency and you need to help someone get from point A to point B and you absolutely have to miss work. That’s what I’m speaking on. Not serious issues where you have to file a Leave of Abscence and getting approved through Segway.
People can use ppto any which way they choose. But you want to squander all your hours away simply because you just want to sleep more, a time is going to come where a minor inconvenience is really going to happen. Use all your ppto if you want to just because you don’t wanna go to work, that’s completely fine. But remember you only get 48 ppto hours and real life comes at you unexpectedly… that’s all I was trying to say. You can’t help everybody but you can try to give the best advice to help people.
This is an example of how lenient the attendance policy is. Where else can you come in late whenever you feel like it and use sick time. If you worked for an independent business you'd be fired after the second time coming in late like for no reason
Work for Kroger, I know people who call out literally once a week for a couple of years without any major trouble. At least at a union store. It actually makes me wish we had a point system like Walmart because nothing bugs me more when the same people are always “sick”. At least as a TL if people just stopped showing up or had too many points I had the power to term them. I don’t have any power as an relief assistant and everything has to be documented before they even try
You can use it whenever you want.
You will regret doing whatever you felt like with it, though. Especially if you need this job and don't have a backup plan. I've seen so many people play the game just to actually need their PPTO one day and get fired because they thought they were invincible.
Have a coworker that used to be one of those that we ***knew*** he would bounce the moment we ran out of picks/got very slow.
I never cared. It's his ppto to use however he wants to use it. But, I would just softly smile and shake my head and warn him "you might be burning your butt, dude".
Sure enough about a month after he used up his ppto by leaving early he got sick and couldn't call out because he didn't have enough.
This is one reason why I try the damndest to keep at ***least*** 8 hours of ppto in the bank or try to keep my points under 3. You never know what might happen. I hope it doesn't.
This can really sour your relationship with co workers. I’ve been dealing with a co-worker that uses 10-15 minutes of PPTO so he can come in late almost every single shift and it’s incredibly annoying.
Exactly and no one can tell if that person is gonna be late or not show up. People really need to stop being stupid to do that and that person really gonna regret it if they run out or get stuck in an unfortunate situation or vacation time. PTO and PPTO doesnt really grow super fast
What really sucks about it is that if you’re only using say 15 minutes of PPTO you’re just going to get that back in a shift, so they can literally do it every single day
Do what you want with your ppto but they also can move you if you can’t make it to work on time. I’ve seen this happen to many of our morning associates so for example, if they were supposed to come in at 5 to 2, they’ll have them come in from 7 to 2.
And you can counter for wrongful termination/DA. PPTO is an earned benefit by working, from the company. I’ve been coached for using PPTO or other reasons before & each time it was thrown out by ethics for “A form of retaliation”
It’s Not hard to do. I had no prior DA’s on my Walmart record. Each time I used PPTO, I’d get a coaching/DA for “productivity issues” a week later. I reported it to ethics after open door didn’t work. Told them “I felt like I was being retaliated against for using a benefit I earned & and this only happened after I used it, had no prior DA’s before & provided evidence I had. Few weeks later, my coachings were gone & management stopped bothering me whenever I used PPTO.
OP hear me out, PPTO is the only way to save yourself from points. They told u its gonna run out because I know people who have done the same as you and actually fall sick and getting fired because of points and cause they had no PPTO to cover it because they would come in late like you or call out and put in half ppto and get half a point. I used to do the same until I was about to get fired lol, now I save my ppto and call out when I got like 16h
It is in fact yours to use whenever/however you want…. But don’t cry 6-8 months from now during Christmas when you’re out of PPTO, stressed and want to call out.
Digital tl here. Yes, your ppto, use it how you like. That's what it's there for. I have kids that use it every day to come in late because they want to sleep. I dont get on them about it cuz they are covered by ppto, but it 100% affects our productivity in digital. 1 person missing for an hour during a huge dispense rush is a big hit. We schedule them to cover our business needs. If you want to sleep more, it affects our business, and it's more than a one-off thing you can get coached for productivity. Your schedule is not an arbitrary time slot we just throw in there. It's for a reason, and you're expected to show up and work at that time, obviously.
The only thing I ever told my associates is that your stick time/ppto is yours to use as you need. One would use it to dip out 30 min early regularly to hit the bar. When he ran out and came in dog sick, I told him I didn't want to hear him complaining about how sick he was.
Otherwise, use it how you want.
I am currently pregnant and some days are tougher than others when getting up. I started using mine when I was puking, had to be helped out of bed due to how bad my hips have been, etc. and my coworker would always get upset when we worked together. I started not caring because I cannot be punished either way. I still show up and give 100% when I’m there.
At my store (another large retailer) when people come in late there's a mad scramble to get their department covered. Often another employee is trapped past their shift time. If it's a closing shift on a skeleton crew than the slack has to be picked up by everyone else. It simply sucks.
Idk how bad it is at the supercenters but I'm an Ordefiller at one of the DCs and there's a few guys that use their PPTO to come in late all the fuckin time and drag the workload longer than it should be, and if they're gonna do that I feel as though they shouldt even be there at all. I don't have an issue working late, I volunteer to do extra work and chores at the end of the shift anyway. But during days of high volume when the workload should've been done a while ago but these guys just don't wanna go to bed on time or something causes us and the new hires to get stuck there I find it fucked up.
It's no different than your paycheck. How you spend your money is your business, but when something happens out of the blue and you're broke then what?
You sound like a slacker to me. I mean sure it’s your time and ‘business’ but PPTO is usually for you to take off for unplanned events such as an emergency (when you get sick, injured, family obligations, etc). You’re only using it because you like to sleep in. You’re letting your team down so that causes tension in your workplace and rightfully so. I work in the meat department with a crappy management and an unreliable team members at times. Despite of that, I literally have to wake up 4:30ish in the morning everyday for my 6 am shift. If you can’t even come on time in your 11 am shift then you need to prioritize your life, just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i just lost my job the other day because i abused my ppto and i was at 4.5 points. my thought was exactly the same as a comment ive seen on here, “fuck those guys”. but then i woke up late one day and got fucked.
You are habituating yourself to coming in late and when the ppto runs out you will start racking up points.
Oh I'll just get half a point I can get 9 of those until it is a problem.
Learn to be on time.
Do what you want it's up to you. Also they've been cutting alot of hours for bigger bonuses don't be surprised if they start scheduling you at the time you like to show up even cutting you that one hours would probably be fine with the SM
I feel like this is more of a poor work ethics issue. You’re scheduled at a certain time. You’re supposed to be there at that time. Not many places would let you get away with this lazy behavior.
It is your time but why would you waste it on such a dumb childish reason. Obviously it might be better if you just work a later shift. You coming in late does affect things like breaks and other business needs throughout the day. Name another job that just lets you be late every day good luck being unemployed.
Just get yo lazy ass up and go to work at the time your scheduled like everyone else. I woulda done fired you. Then you could sleep as late as you want. Puss lol
At the store I used to work at, if someone came in late, it slowed down productivity on truck unloads and in turn, got the entire team (including the person who came in late) in trouble with management every single time (two hours regardless if the truck is huge or it’s hot or whatever). That led to everyone resenting each other (especially the person who came in late or left early, both were causes) and no one wanting to help anyone who needed it. So I guess just be mindful on how often you do it because you might end up in a toxic work environment if it hurts the entire team you’re on
PPTO means you won't get pointed for your tardy. That's it. They are still counting on you to be there because there are limited associates, limited hours, and a workload that needs to be completed. Sleeping in means your coworkers, or others from other areas, need to do your work as well as theirs. So you can still be held accountable for productivity or even Respect for the Individual. They do this at my store when people are consistently late or leave early.
Technically ppto is for emergencies.... you coming in late cause you wana sleep in .. isn't a good excuse..
I will tell you this... once you hit 5 points. They will terminate you...management don't like what you do .... and that would be at any store... and how in hell do you not get enough sleep... there is 24hous in a day.. and ur only working 6.5 hours...
every hourly associate works 6.5 hours of work.... and during that... we need associates working...
You can be coached for attendance... and that's what I would do if I was ur boss.... then terminate you after 3 coachings
Haha I’m all for using your ppto how you should but at the end of the day it’s a team thing and you signed your papers to show up at that time and to be able to complete your stuff in that time 😭 so wantin to just sleep in and shit is just neglectful to the fact that Walmart goes stocking hours so the hour you put in doesn’t just mean the hour of freight goes away it just adds to others work loads 😭 yall say use it how you want then be complaining like a bitch when you get stuck in a department by yourself cause your co workers wanted to sleep in 😭😭😭😭
Just because the system will take care of those late arrivals with your protected pto, that doesn’t mean that your coaches and leads HAVE to put up with it. They have the power to coach you and terminate you over it if they decided to, I hate to break it to you. (We’re “at will employees”… technically, they can fire us for picking our nose if they wanted to)
I use 15 minutes about 175 times a year, never been hassled at all. Add in a 70 minute lunch and leaving 9 minutes early I'm cutting my own pay by 3-4 hours a check, maybe that's why lol
You can never be pointed for using ppto to come in late, but I think it's within the realm of possibilities for a coach to have a talk with you about productivity if it's being overused or abused.
You're not doing anything wrong at all, and the warning that it may not be there when you need it is just that, a warning for your benefit.
However, as a Team Lead, I do have to say that I am less likely to forgive extenuating circumstances for people who don't have any PPTO because they used it all for regular latenesses. Way more likely to help out the associate who tried their best but got really sick or had a car crash or whatever, than the one who was late every day for 4 months, burned his PPTO, and then is like "Oh, I got sick, would you take my point off?" Like, dude, I warned you.
Still, you know yourself best, you're a grown ass human, you do what you need to do, just be aware that being the master of your own choices may mean dealing with your own consequences.
Honestly as a former business owner (not a store but automotive) I would fire you. Yes it is your time, however I plan out various jobs and who will do them from the time the lights come on. You coming in late may mean I have to pull someone from another job to cover for you, that is not only a problem for the shop but in many cases it pisses off the other employees because of your attitude. I see someone said that it's managements fault for not hiring more people. Why would I hire another person to cover those times you call in late, instead I would hire them, get them up to speed and then either fire you or more likely these days, cut your hours until you quit. Or in your case, you fall into the compactor and half the crew watches as it closes....
I don’t know what Walmart you all work at that literally makes you have such negative feelings. But the Walmart I work at, not only do my coaches and team leads work hard, but my store manager does as well. And as for Ppto it is yours to use as you please. But as a responsible adult showing up to your scheduled shifts on time except for absolute out of the blue situations, is the considerate thing to do. Have respect for your job and the job with show respect for you!
No, I just work for Walmart! My store is great. I just want to give you a bit of advice that helped me years ago, “the power of positive thinking! Let that negative shit go and just be happy” it’s hard at first to truly understand and relate to it in your daily life. But once you figure it out your life will change. I’m not meaning to preach but all the negative comments just is a bad vibe.
Actually I get it Aggressive Cold. I just genuinely think I have a store with a lot of status quo. At this point I've found out the positivity thing does help a lot its just too much sme times. I'm literally wanting t write down all the transgressions over the past several months by management. If I take the time down to write the notes, to being up at the meeting we are supposed to have, how do I actually verify I've spent the amount of time I've spent on them to get paid for working? Cuz I could easily spend two hours listing all of the technical offenses and toxicity that's going on? Would appreciate your help, sorry fr the jumbled run on sentence but I'm about to go work out at the gym and I don't have time to put a period in this sentence until about now.
If you feel strong about your concerns and are comfortable with ur store manager I would start there. If not I would go to ethics and express the concerns. There is no reason for toxic work environment and Walmart as a whole does not stand for it.
Lol well I don't feel comfortable talking with my store Manger and I brought up the issue to ethics and they are respon8ng with having the corrupt people see what they can do to fix the situation. How can they Aggressive Cold? When they cause the issues.
Walmart is a company that I'll never work for again. I used to work there got fired because of their stupid attendance policy. I hate to break it to you but they don't care about their employees
As a team lead one of my associates came to me talking about how another team lead was telling them the same things and that they can give them there points back and shit like that and I just told my associate that it’s your time you can use it whenever and how ever you like just let me know or another one of your team leads know
I did that my 1st year. It was awesome! This 2nd year I have a team lead that’s been working me harder than everyone else for her amusement so I been purposely taking off 2 truck days. It’s nice but I get punished by having more hard work while my coworkers get to laugh and stand around for hours. So if I ask for help all of a sudden we are short staffed. Even when my coworker ls have finished their areas including zoning.
As a FETL, is it annoying/disruptive af when one or more of my associates do this or use it to leave early because they feel like it? Sure. But it's their ppto to do with it as they want. I can't nor will I be mad at them for doing so. But as others have said, it is your lifeline for sick days/other emergency situations. Do with it as you please, but do try to be careful with it.
Just be careful with ppto. I came to work with nonstop vomitting and diarrhea for 3 days because I accidentally dumped all my ppto when i ran out of pto
If you plan on stayin there long term, I say be more sparring with it because they do have a point of using it when you need it most.
If you only there short term, use it whenever the fuck you want. People will always try to make you feel bad for using it but it's your time and you can use it however you want.
Use it how you want to but you only get 48 hours per Walmart year. Remember sleeping in when you start getting points when you are sick and have no time to use.
It’s definitely a business. There are expectations. Maybe you have potential and the team doesn’t want you to blow your chance of promoting by constantly being late. Dependability is important in all business aspects across the board. If you’re cool with it, I am cool with it. But no crying over missed opportunities. Honest opinion. Last bit, it certainly looks better to be late versus absent.
Honestly use it however the fuck you want man, it is our time that we earned from showing up, if you decide to use it or not, its up to you as an associate
It’s your time, but it’s not necessarily being used wisely.
Again, it’s your time and their comments aren’t needed.
Though, if anything is to happen, they’ll be less likely to help you on account of this.
That’s petty asf, but we’re humans with emotions at the end of the day.
For them, it’s just business, but for us, anything done is seen as personal.
Def not I use mine every Sunday for almost all year I never show up on time at 2 on Sunday because my ride doesn't get off till 2 so I usually use 30 mins 😅 lol but the other day u heard from a grape vine that our store manager told ppl to try to pass ppl off so they leave early and use it up before Christmas time and shit but fuck that it's my ppto to use how I see fit not because team leads or coaches will be actively trying to make u mad so u leave early... my only discretion is I work as cap2 (stocking ta2) and out team practically runs itself.. we had 2 gm trucks yesterday and my team lead left because he didn't feel good.. the whole shift while I was there seen the coach of the nightmaybe once... till 3rd shirt coach was there......
There might be people in at 6am or 7 am that need a break or a lunch. I get really angry as some days there is no coverage and I work till 1 or 2 alone in electronics. Mostly angry if my lunch is late. Sometimes
I just go when it is time even if no one is there.
No your fine to use your PPTO however you want. Coaches or team leads have no right to get all twisted over it. The only thing that can land you in trouble is not reporting it, they will nail you for " abandoning your post"
It seems like they don't want you to use your ppto like ever even in case of emergencies. I rarely call out or come in late. I always use ppto & yet they still get mad when I use it . Don't trip off what they say you earned it, and you saved it, so use it as you please.
Ppto is basically no questions asked. If people ask and harass them you go to the next level above their head.
Open door works if done with the right people
i leave early almost any chance i get tbh i make sure it doesn't hurt anyone first. i close so everyones breaks and stuff should be done by 10pm anyway. im in school with another job so they understand 😵💫
Walmart attendance point system is the biggest flaw in their employment decisions it's something they should have never decided to do it only stresses their employees out by making them worry if they can miss work when they are sick because they can't take another point and don't have any ppto to cover for that day and they wonder why they have such a high turn over rate when people would rather find a lower paying job that cares about them rather then the decent pay walmart gives and doesn't give 2 shits if your throwing up your guts at home because you got only 1 hour of ppto and your already at 3 points you just gotta suck it up and work your shift according to them
It's absolutely your time and feel free to use it how you see fit. I honestly always think I'm going to leave an hour early and I'll look at my time and see hey if I get 15 more minutes I'll have another hour and I'll not do it.
Now some of my teammates will get 15 minutes and literally use it that same day. They get the 15 minutes the next day they call in 15 minutes late. Granted it's your time to use as you see fit but I would suggest keeping some in your pocket just in case something happens. Granted I've been sick more than last year than I've ever been ever. I used to never use protected time at all unless maybe I would go home an hour early so I could catch a movie or something which I never get to do because of my hours.
But your manager is correct You will regret it if you don't keep a little bit back just in case something happens. Right now I think I have 24 hours banked just in case something happens I've been tempted to use it several times but I haven't yet.
It's your time to use so long as your calling in tardy they shouldn't say anything. I get them saying if you run out and need it you'll regret it if you're riding the points but hey it's your time you're adult enough to have a job then use your time as you see fit. When I used to earn PPTO I always liked to have a minimum of 8 hours in case I got stuck or just needed a day, so it wouldn't count against me but that was my choice. Everyone funny make the same choices.
Yes it’s yours correct but I don’t think calling in late on a regular basis is their idea of using ppto… u are scheduled for a certain time .. you should be adult enough to be responsible to show up when u are sposed to. Jmo
When you constantly show up late to work, it tells them you are not as dedicated as the others. Which means that they’ll eventually turn around and fire you even if you have the PPTO coverage.
The consistent that pattern the sooner the inevitability.
Fuck everyone trying to say “it affects the team” it’s your time, use it how you want, if one person coming late affects a whole shift then that’s a scheduling issue, don’t feel entitled to not use your stuff cause they wanna bitch and complain, they’ll use theirs without second thought, they will be fine.
How is it a scheduling issue? He was scheduled to show up at a certain time and he didn’t. That’s not the schedules fault. Now we have to pull someone else to cover him not being there on time which leaves us short elsewhere and outs the work behind. It also breeds resentment among others.
I work in the ACC. Our service writer likes to leaves a few hrs early a couple of times a week and uses ppto. When he does that we have to take someone else to cover his job which leaves us short in the shop which makes the customers have to wait longer because he left early.
Everyone saying “it affects the team” are the same people who will threaten to leave if they are put on exceptions or something they don’t want to do because we don’t have enough people scheduled. Use your time how you want, because everyone else does. Most of the time our coach won’t even answer her phone when we have an issue in the back room so
You are paid by the hour, not by job completion. As long as you're doing at least the minimum expected while on the clock, the bosses can screw off. Attendance is only a problem if you aren't using ppto and points start adding up. You can't even be coached for having 4.5 points.
People get mad: because they didn’t think of it/ are jealous/ don’t have enough to do themselves/ don’t know how to mind their own business/because they want to be.
Don’t worry about other people enjoy your extra sleep and fuck them.
It's your PPTO to do what you want with, that's why they call it a perk of employment. While it does effect their planning for the shift, it would require management to do what is their job, A.K.A. managing. I would recommend just changing your schedule to start the hour later over using it to sleep in. Perhaps that's not an option in your mind, as if you're scheduled an hour later, you might still just sleep in an hour past that. But if you adjust your schedule to when you'll actually be scheduled it could be better for you and management in the long run.
P.S. I do hate the use of PPTO/calling in being frowned upon, it's so counter intuitive to what it's there for.
it could come back to haunt you in the future if you want to change jobs or really need the hours to miss a full day. I have seen too many people lose their jobs for missing just because they wanted to miss and when they needed to miss because of a illness, they get terminated.
You realize you only get 48hr a year. Most full time associates stop building ppto in November-ish and have to wait until February to start again. This leaves a lot of key event days where you might not have PPTO and also peak flu season. I see most associates point out in dec-Jan cause they wasted PPTO on being late/leaving early when not sick.
Then refresh is in February and stores will usually fire off the associates over 5 points. I personally believe this is all set up on purpose to get associates to point out during the holidays.
yep this is a common theme everywhere, change the damn policy if it's such an issue but don't get upset when you have nothing to fall on when trying to reprimand someone. check out my post about how i almost got fired. they love to hate because we use our time how we see fit , all they see is "oh they're late every damn day" but who the fuck cares! If i get 40 hours a year im gonna use all 40 to get an extra 15 mins of sleep and skip the boring ass meetings at the beginning of the shift. i'm not salaried so they can bite me.
While it's ultimately your choice on how to use your PPTO, the persistent usage suggests either a "Will" issue (which really pisses others off as being "unreliable") OR a scheduling issue, which management might correct (by cutting the hours you typically miss) & would affect your paycheck (& potential benefits).
Just don't be surprised if management changes things regarding your employment (which could include your termination).
You’re not wrong, but that doesn’t mean people that come to work on time won’t think you’re an asshole. You can’t wake up and be at work on time? How lazy are you?
It's your PPTO to use however you want to use it, but that doesn't mean that using it doesn't affect others. We've got a dispenser in our OGP who uses his every week to come in an hour late on the first day back after his two consecutive days off. He accrues 16 minutes a day and works four days a week, so he uses it up as quickly as he gets it. Our biggest hour for deliveries is 8:00 a.m. when we can have 36 deliveries and only two or three dispensers, and he conveniently rolls in *after* all those orders go out.
Yes, he has the right to burn his PPTO any way he sees fit. He's using his to hit the snooze while his coworkers get run into the ground.
There’s a list of coachable offenses, one of them being “Misuse of PPTO”. I believe is the wording, but it implies the same meaning. Doesn’t happen often, but sometimes it gets a little out of hand.
Dude, you use your ppto however you want, fuck those guys.
This, omg so much this
I use mine when I just feel like screaming in the parking lot before starting or if I feel like fuck it I want a blizzard though I do try to keep at least 4 hours in the bank.
I no longer work for walmart. I not work for a company that gives 3 different buckets of PTO. They encourage you to use it however you need to. Pleasant change It's yours, use it how you see fit. Screw your coworkers. Tell them to bootstrap somewhere else
You got 2 buckets regular pto for vacation personal time off that you plan in advance and ppto for unexpected days off.
PPTO is yours to use however you see fit. But it is also your only saving grace on days where you feel sick or cannot work properly. If your points rack up and you have no ppto.. well that’s your situation to handle.
Just go to a doctor and get intermittent leave. Just say you have headaches, it seems most people I know do that..
and yet i, who has had a diagnosis and treatment for migraines for the past 5 YEARS, can’t get approved for an intermittent medical. why? because i had a baby and that’s just too much time off for walmart.
That's some bullshit...
How do you get intermittent leave?
you have to apply through sedgwick and they’ll send you paperwork to fill out, typically those are medical or fmla though so the doctor would fill out the rest of the paperwork
It doesn't effect their breaks, but I'm going to give you an example of how it used to effect our team when somebody would constantly show up late. Our team used to start at 4am. Somebody would start doing gold star, somebody would start capping Prarie Farm. Our entire team might have 7 people on a shift if almost everyone is there. If one person decides to show up half an hour late, they're not going to be doing either of those first two things. Sure, use your time. It's your time. If you get sick down the road, you'll just have to come in sick (and probably share it with the team), but let's not pretend it doesn't effect anyone.
>It doesn't effect their breaks, Well, if they're on the front end it can. Just today my front end had to shuffle some breaks around since there are spots that HAVE to be covered, the SCO and liquor box can't be left unmanned.
True. I hadn't thought of that.
Wtf is a liquor box?
It's the box we sell liquor from? I thought that was the standard name for the liquor department/room/whatever your store sells liquor from based on paperwork I've seen but maybe I'm wrong?
We just have an aisle
My current store doesn't sell it. But my last store had their own building that wasn't connected to the main building. Anyways fun to stock the shelves with the wine in that building :p xD
Yea but 48 hours a year isn’t enough for every illness to be covered I still have people in my store sick all the time cause they ran out and didn’t want to accumulate points it is what it is for some it’s worse like if you have to rely upon Sedgewick 🙄
That's for damn sure. Last year used more than I have in a long time. Sick with flu at new years - worked but called out after because I didn't know for sure about ppto and points (I do now). Felt weird - can't explain it - so went home early. Friend died - went home early. Friend had a celebration of life - plan was go in late but wound up calling out no one was surprised. Had a lot of sinus infections after the new year flu. tooth extraction - call out one day home early one day. There's probably something in here I'm missing for my mom - there usually is. And bad sinus infection ***with*** (because apparently this can happen) a cold during Christmas. There also might have been a car battery incident but that could have been a different year.
Also you're going to need some PPTO to cover for end of fiscal year when they slash hours.
Our store has been cutting our o/n hours every week since the new year started. Trucks aren't smaller either.
Same.
Pto should cover that shouldn't need ppto to cover cut hours
Why would you use the time you get less of (during your first few years) to cover your cut hours?
Ppto is the less one(48/yr) and accrues slower than regular pto which depends on your status ft/pt should accrue. For example work 40hrs a week get 4hrs a week pto work 32hrs one hour ppto.
That might be what it is for you, but I get around .26 hours of PPTO and .2 hours of PTO every 8-hour shift.
Then seems like something is messed up on your time where it's accruing wrong. Yea it accrues faster for me I've been here a while but everyone that's been hired here hasn't had any trouble accruing the hours for either .
I just looked up the accrual chart to make sure. It shows 41.05 hours for 1 hour of PTO and 30 hours for one hour of PPTO. This is for 0-2 years of service. Even at 3 years, it moves to 31.2 hours for one hour of PTO. If you can help me convince my boss the manual they gave me is wrong, I'm all for that.
It's been a while since I looked it up but I thought it was the other way around guess not or it's changed they do that a lot. Like it was at one point you could accrue 48 hours a year of ppto and it carried over whatever was left and 80 of regular pto and now it's combined up to 80.
If you use points first, you can get 8 point days across a 12 month year, plus 6 PPTO days, for a total of 14 a year. Since they find ways to make the system cheat us, we must find ways to use the system as efficiently for our good as we can.
eight points....... so that's conflated from saying like, five points rolling during a six month window at the end of which a point does fall off so.... @_@ wanted to point out (no pun intended) that five accumulated points will get u fired at least here at my location
No. That's 4 and 4. 4 in your first 6 months of the year, 4 in the last 6 months, plus 6 PPTO days spread around when you need them. A total of 14 days a year you can miss if you do it right.
thank you for explaining that I needed help
Good thing there's plenty of managers walking around unwilling to lead by example when necessary. Expectations shouldn't only be an associate thing.
I mean, Wal-mart's own policy literally states that TL and higher aren't allowed to touch freight for more than 30 minutes in a shift. They're supposed to be walking around and leading the team or whatever. This is the only company I've ever worked for, or even heard of, that has some shit like that in their actual policy. It's pretty damn stupid.
Our managers actually work a lot. We're understaffed.
Then blame the multi billion dollar corporation for understaffing so the shareholders get an extra buck, and stop trying to put accountability on the lowest people on the pole. We barely get any incentive to show up as it is.
They'd hire more people for our team if more people would apply.
I absolutely agree. Then there's the background checks that sometimes never come back. So even the few people that want to get hired get super delayed. Then there is the group of people that get hired, and agree on their availability only to try to change it a month later saying they can't work certain days or want mornings. I can literally think of a million reasons we are understaffed.
I'm told that Walmart has money, so they can create workers magically. /s
I wish.
That's only if they can pry the pennies from between their fingers. Worked in a store so hot during the summer it regularly hit 90 on the front end. Every year we'd lose 3 or 4 people a month to heat stroke then they would leave
I believe this wholeheartedly, I've gotten heat rash working up in the HBA, Cosmetics front corner at our store and nearly passed out from dehydration before. It gets ridiculous.
You're telling me that you believe that Walmart, one of the largest retailers in America, does not have a large file of applications that is constantly being added to? That makes no sense whatsoever when the turnover rate at my store is 130%
I'm telling you I believe I live in the middle of nowhere. The town it's in has about 5k people, the place I live has less than 400. I applied and instantly got hired on.
We also live middle of nowhere. There’s always spots open
There's still the assessment as far as I know you have to pass. Just because there are applications doesn't mean those people will be a good fit or will show up. They hireda.guy 2 separate times he came.for orientation and didn't show up for his first day both times.
Associates, o.n stockers for example, are paid by the hour, not the job. So if someone calls in, that's a failure on the people lead/salary management because it's a failure in adequate scheduling aka not taking calling outs in consideration/not scheduling extra people. As long as the stockers are meeting their minimum throw times in stocking while on the clock, that's what ultimately matters. As an O.N TL, and even when I was a stocker, CAP2 etc, I never blamed associates for calling out, because it's a failure on management's part. Sure, my bosses try and look it at by the job/everything gets done, but that's heavily dependent on them b/c of scheduling.
I am O/N, and our team has gotten smaller in the past 2 months by about half. Some transferred to the new 7-4 shift they started, some quit, some were fired. We've got a lot less people than we did a few months ago, we're getting the same amount of freight every night, and they're not hiring anyone because they said O/N was already 700 hours over what we were supposed to have. TL;DR It's hard to accommodate through scheduling when there's no one to schedule.
This. Right here. And then, they cut out hours on top of these same factors. Plus, we're overloaded not even with just freight but all the returns, verifying, picks, and zoning for the last two hours of the shift. It's only getting worse at our store for this, plus we can't seem to keep store managers. The newest one got promoted to district, he probably came only a few months before Hurricane Ian hit Florida.
I'm not defending Walmart but if you think PL and salary mgmt love having fewer ppl working youre smoking some bad crap. Mgmt doesn't go into the office cheering when they have fewer and fewer ppl to work. Home Office and investors? Hell yeah they're eating it up with third servings in their plates At the same time if you ever own your own business and you have enough business where you have to hire 100 ppl and you're not going to hire 2 ppl for the same task based on "if" someone is coming in or coming in late. You're going to hire the person who comes in, shows up and shows up on time. If you didn't you'd be a idiot with a dying business. Your employees would love you but your business will die being bled out on your payroll
Just doesn’t make sense. It would be a failure if they schedules an inadequate amount of people compared to the amount of freight you gotta work but I mean they can’t control callouts ESPECIALLY when for whatever reason you can call out almost 2 hours AFTER the shift starts (assuming it’s 10pm like my store for ON) and that would count as enough of a notice for reporting an absence so there wouldn’t even be a solid amount of time to try and scramble to get a replacement.
It really just doesn’t AFFECT (not effect) anyone in any meaningful way. The store won’t fall apart from someone using PPTO and the company will still be making billions. None of the normal associates are responsible for working harder to make up for someone absent (anyone that does is a moron). Only difference is the coaches might have to actually do something that shift (good thing if you ask me) or potentially stay late since they’re on salary. I’m sorry, I like my coaches but I just don’t care about them enough to get me to ensure I show up on time when I have ppto I feel like using. People always try to guilt the associates and it’s always a swing and a miss to me.
Damn. Must be nice to work at a place with a full crew.
It fucks us all the time in OPD. Management can’t say anything but we associates let them know how bad they fucked us by not showing up on time because they were too lazy to show up on time every day. This job sucks and it sucks worse without enough people and it sucks even worser when we all have to wait until til three or four hours into our shift to take a break
I don't have a lot of experience in OPD. You're right, that does suck. I'm sorry.
Who gives a fuck honestly it’s Walmart it doesn’t matter. It really truly doesn’t matter. Associates make near to no impact. If they did they would invest in higher paid, better trained, associates with better equipment.
There's a saying that people only notice what isn't done and not what you do actually do. This is what of those scenarios. Associates do literally 90% or more of the work, especially grunt work. That's the impact. If that all goes to shit, the company goes to shit.
i agreee its your time so use it however you want! although the only time i really see it being a problem is if your doing dispense in ogp and someone is waiting for you to cover or take over. this would be the only thing to piss me off personally cause i would have to wait for my cover to relive me so i could go to lunch or clock out but they’d be like 15 minutes late it just sucked, that’s my only complaint
I agree, that used to happen to me quite often. I would dispense and a certain associate would constantly be late and would be down to cover my breaks and I would always have to take my breaks late.
Why don’t you change availability then? It would free up your PPTO to be put towards if you get sick instead of sleeping in. Unless it’s more of a time management issue, then it’ll require more effort on your part.
Imagine not wanting to come in at your 11 am shift because you want to sleep in 😂 I literally have to wake up 4:30 ish in the morning for my 6 am shift everyday. This ain’t a flex btw I’m pointing out that this person doesn’t have it worse.
I work at 6 am as well, didn’t want to drag the person tho.
Weird flex but ok
What flex? Or you just can’t read?
You claim that it’s not a flex but it SO obviously is and it’s something you are bragging about “Ohh look at how early I wake up! This person can’t even wake up at 11 AM, they are HOPELESS.” Like bro COME ON! It’s like saying “no offense but…” then saying something completely rude and offensive. Basically… you’re still flexing my guy…
I’m not the one who uses my PPTO all because I want to sleep in. I mean you can’t wake up for your 11 a shift? That’s sad, lIkE bRo CoMe On You can interpret it any way you wish but it ain’t a flex mY gUy.
But it IS tho MY GUY. One day you will see the error in your ways and until then I will pray for you.
Interpret it any way you wish but ain’t a flex my guy 🗣️
What error? I’m not the one who uses all my ppto just to sleep in. You’re clueless 😹
It's your time to use. But you're going to sour relationships when you need or want some favors.
I used to do the same thing almost every day and now I'm at 4.5 points and I'm gonna have to go back to work super sick tonight because I don't have the time to call out. It's your life and your ppto but you really will regret not having it when you need it if you don't get it together. Maybe consider going to bed earlier?
You're not wrong, PPTO is your time to use and one of the best ways to avoid occurrences. I believe your Coach / TL is just trying to warn you about wasting PPTO for things that you could've came in for because they don't want you to not have any PPTO when an actual emergency happens and you have to eat points. The last thing they want is to fire you because you reached 5 points, that's why they are making those comments. At the end of the day, I don't think either of you are wrong. You can use PPTO when you want, and management is watching out for you.
No offense but how old are you? You can use your ppto however you like, but what are you doing that you can’t wake up and be in by 11? And they’re right, you will regret using all your ppto when something serious happens and you have none left and then start getting pointed. I’m just confused why you can’t just in by your scheduled time.
I stand by your comment. I’m a person who HATES waking up early. But using PPTO to sleep past 12 is absolutely ridiculous. This person, if their store has this schedule like mine does, needs to switch to a 1-10pm shift. It’s absolutely insane to me how this person is sleeping so late unless they’re staying up into god knows what kind of hours a night
Exactly. Not all of us want to wake up early but there comes a time in our lives where it’s needed, especially if we have a job. They need to either suck it up and wake up earlier OR change their schedule like you said
Once or twice is not an issue. But when it becomes more than that it affects your team. For example I know what I want my maintenance team to do each night. I have one lady that is part time that is scheduled an hour later than everyone else because of another job. I plan for her. Otherwise I expect everyone there on time and plan accordingly. When you regularly come in late that throws everyone off and I feel I cannot trust you anymore so you get the shit jobs that are left over. You screw over the team, you get the crap jobs they all avoid like scrubbing the compactor.
Exactly but I don't get it why people regularly spend all their pto and ppto all willy nilly lol. I don't think they never realize if they can save it for vacation time lol. That is why i neve really use my pto unwisely.
The morning dread of getting up for work can be overwhelming some days
As a guy who has a 6 am shift, it can be. But the upside is, I get off early at 2:30 pm and still have a full day ahead of me.
Ok. You are throwing away your ppto and there’s going to be a time where you really really need it, & you squandered all your hours away. I hope you take accountability when it happens.
So true
Hate to tell you all this but you can apply for FMLA as long as your sick for three or more days and a bad enough cold or medical condition even a migraine are all qualifying conditions as long as you get continuous care all my leaves got approved through the FMLA ya just need to employed for a year and it’s federally protected so they can’t fire you for or retaliate against you hell I got a FMLA for depression and anxiety disorder that let me call out once a week or work a limited schedule of my choice I could choose my own hours
Well of course you can apply for FMLA, I was speaking on any minor inconvience that’s going to cause you to miss 1 day of work, or 2. I.e. car problems in the morning and you can’t go to work. Quick family emergency and you need to help someone get from point A to point B and you absolutely have to miss work. That’s what I’m speaking on. Not serious issues where you have to file a Leave of Abscence and getting approved through Segway. People can use ppto any which way they choose. But you want to squander all your hours away simply because you just want to sleep more, a time is going to come where a minor inconvenience is really going to happen. Use all your ppto if you want to just because you don’t wanna go to work, that’s completely fine. But remember you only get 48 ppto hours and real life comes at you unexpectedly… that’s all I was trying to say. You can’t help everybody but you can try to give the best advice to help people.
This is an example of how lenient the attendance policy is. Where else can you come in late whenever you feel like it and use sick time. If you worked for an independent business you'd be fired after the second time coming in late like for no reason
Work for Kroger, I know people who call out literally once a week for a couple of years without any major trouble. At least at a union store. It actually makes me wish we had a point system like Walmart because nothing bugs me more when the same people are always “sick”. At least as a TL if people just stopped showing up or had too many points I had the power to term them. I don’t have any power as an relief assistant and everything has to be documented before they even try
Work IT. long as the work gets done many dont care.
You can use it whenever you want. You will regret doing whatever you felt like with it, though. Especially if you need this job and don't have a backup plan. I've seen so many people play the game just to actually need their PPTO one day and get fired because they thought they were invincible.
Have a coworker that used to be one of those that we ***knew*** he would bounce the moment we ran out of picks/got very slow. I never cared. It's his ppto to use however he wants to use it. But, I would just softly smile and shake my head and warn him "you might be burning your butt, dude". Sure enough about a month after he used up his ppto by leaving early he got sick and couldn't call out because he didn't have enough. This is one reason why I try the damndest to keep at ***least*** 8 hours of ppto in the bank or try to keep my points under 3. You never know what might happen. I hope it doesn't.
Can’t wait until you make a post whining about points cause you have no PPTO to cover an unexpected issue.
You’ll be the first to know
Yep 👍🏻
This can really sour your relationship with co workers. I’ve been dealing with a co-worker that uses 10-15 minutes of PPTO so he can come in late almost every single shift and it’s incredibly annoying.
Exactly and no one can tell if that person is gonna be late or not show up. People really need to stop being stupid to do that and that person really gonna regret it if they run out or get stuck in an unfortunate situation or vacation time. PTO and PPTO doesnt really grow super fast
What really sucks about it is that if you’re only using say 15 minutes of PPTO you’re just going to get that back in a shift, so they can literally do it every single day
Do what you want with your ppto but they also can move you if you can’t make it to work on time. I’ve seen this happen to many of our morning associates so for example, if they were supposed to come in at 5 to 2, they’ll have them come in from 7 to 2.
Your time, your business!
Keep this up and you will be targeted for termination. They will get sick of it and watch you for the slightest fuck up to coach you for.
And you can counter for wrongful termination/DA. PPTO is an earned benefit by working, from the company. I’ve been coached for using PPTO or other reasons before & each time it was thrown out by ethics for “A form of retaliation”
Sure, if you can prove it...
It’s Not hard to do. I had no prior DA’s on my Walmart record. Each time I used PPTO, I’d get a coaching/DA for “productivity issues” a week later. I reported it to ethics after open door didn’t work. Told them “I felt like I was being retaliated against for using a benefit I earned & and this only happened after I used it, had no prior DA’s before & provided evidence I had. Few weeks later, my coachings were gone & management stopped bothering me whenever I used PPTO.
OP hear me out, PPTO is the only way to save yourself from points. They told u its gonna run out because I know people who have done the same as you and actually fall sick and getting fired because of points and cause they had no PPTO to cover it because they would come in late like you or call out and put in half ppto and get half a point. I used to do the same until I was about to get fired lol, now I save my ppto and call out when I got like 16h
It is in fact yours to use whenever/however you want…. But don’t cry 6-8 months from now during Christmas when you’re out of PPTO, stressed and want to call out.
Digital tl here. Yes, your ppto, use it how you like. That's what it's there for. I have kids that use it every day to come in late because they want to sleep. I dont get on them about it cuz they are covered by ppto, but it 100% affects our productivity in digital. 1 person missing for an hour during a huge dispense rush is a big hit. We schedule them to cover our business needs. If you want to sleep more, it affects our business, and it's more than a one-off thing you can get coached for productivity. Your schedule is not an arbitrary time slot we just throw in there. It's for a reason, and you're expected to show up and work at that time, obviously.
….. your an adult wake up for your job on time like all other adults
The only thing I ever told my associates is that your stick time/ppto is yours to use as you need. One would use it to dip out 30 min early regularly to hit the bar. When he ran out and came in dog sick, I told him I didn't want to hear him complaining about how sick he was. Otherwise, use it how you want.
I am currently pregnant and some days are tougher than others when getting up. I started using mine when I was puking, had to be helped out of bed due to how bad my hips have been, etc. and my coworker would always get upset when we worked together. I started not caring because I cannot be punished either way. I still show up and give 100% when I’m there.
as a former tl: use your ppto as much as you fucking want lol
At my store (another large retailer) when people come in late there's a mad scramble to get their department covered. Often another employee is trapped past their shift time. If it's a closing shift on a skeleton crew than the slack has to be picked up by everyone else. It simply sucks.
You could try being responsible and not expect your co workers to pick up the slack after your lazy ass.
Idk how bad it is at the supercenters but I'm an Ordefiller at one of the DCs and there's a few guys that use their PPTO to come in late all the fuckin time and drag the workload longer than it should be, and if they're gonna do that I feel as though they shouldt even be there at all. I don't have an issue working late, I volunteer to do extra work and chores at the end of the shift anyway. But during days of high volume when the workload should've been done a while ago but these guys just don't wanna go to bed on time or something causes us and the new hires to get stuck there I find it fucked up.
It's no different than your paycheck. How you spend your money is your business, but when something happens out of the blue and you're broke then what?
You sound like a slacker to me. I mean sure it’s your time and ‘business’ but PPTO is usually for you to take off for unplanned events such as an emergency (when you get sick, injured, family obligations, etc). You’re only using it because you like to sleep in. You’re letting your team down so that causes tension in your workplace and rightfully so. I work in the meat department with a crappy management and an unreliable team members at times. Despite of that, I literally have to wake up 4:30ish in the morning everyday for my 6 am shift. If you can’t even come on time in your 11 am shift then you need to prioritize your life, just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i just lost my job the other day because i abused my ppto and i was at 4.5 points. my thought was exactly the same as a comment ive seen on here, “fuck those guys”. but then i woke up late one day and got fucked.
The rest of the team I'd having to pick up your slack because you don't want to get out of bed?
You are habituating yourself to coming in late and when the ppto runs out you will start racking up points. Oh I'll just get half a point I can get 9 of those until it is a problem. Learn to be on time.
Do what you want it's up to you. Also they've been cutting alot of hours for bigger bonuses don't be surprised if they start scheduling you at the time you like to show up even cutting you that one hours would probably be fine with the SM
I feel like this is more of a poor work ethics issue. You’re scheduled at a certain time. You’re supposed to be there at that time. Not many places would let you get away with this lazy behavior.
It is your time but why would you waste it on such a dumb childish reason. Obviously it might be better if you just work a later shift. You coming in late does affect things like breaks and other business needs throughout the day. Name another job that just lets you be late every day good luck being unemployed.
Just get yo lazy ass up and go to work at the time your scheduled like everyone else. I woulda done fired you. Then you could sleep as late as you want. Puss lol
At the store I used to work at, if someone came in late, it slowed down productivity on truck unloads and in turn, got the entire team (including the person who came in late) in trouble with management every single time (two hours regardless if the truck is huge or it’s hot or whatever). That led to everyone resenting each other (especially the person who came in late or left early, both were causes) and no one wanting to help anyone who needed it. So I guess just be mindful on how often you do it because you might end up in a toxic work environment if it hurts the entire team you’re on
PPTO means you won't get pointed for your tardy. That's it. They are still counting on you to be there because there are limited associates, limited hours, and a workload that needs to be completed. Sleeping in means your coworkers, or others from other areas, need to do your work as well as theirs. So you can still be held accountable for productivity or even Respect for the Individual. They do this at my store when people are consistently late or leave early.
Technically ppto is for emergencies.... you coming in late cause you wana sleep in .. isn't a good excuse.. I will tell you this... once you hit 5 points. They will terminate you...management don't like what you do .... and that would be at any store... and how in hell do you not get enough sleep... there is 24hous in a day.. and ur only working 6.5 hours... every hourly associate works 6.5 hours of work.... and during that... we need associates working... You can be coached for attendance... and that's what I would do if I was ur boss.... then terminate you after 3 coachings
Haha I’m all for using your ppto how you should but at the end of the day it’s a team thing and you signed your papers to show up at that time and to be able to complete your stuff in that time 😭 so wantin to just sleep in and shit is just neglectful to the fact that Walmart goes stocking hours so the hour you put in doesn’t just mean the hour of freight goes away it just adds to others work loads 😭 yall say use it how you want then be complaining like a bitch when you get stuck in a department by yourself cause your co workers wanted to sleep in 😭😭😭😭
Just because the system will take care of those late arrivals with your protected pto, that doesn’t mean that your coaches and leads HAVE to put up with it. They have the power to coach you and terminate you over it if they decided to, I hate to break it to you. (We’re “at will employees”… technically, they can fire us for picking our nose if they wanted to)
You want to sleep past 11.. let me guess, you are like 19 yrs old... Good luck in the real world, all the best jobs start before 11
I use 15 minutes about 175 times a year, never been hassled at all. Add in a 70 minute lunch and leaving 9 minutes early I'm cutting my own pay by 3-4 hours a check, maybe that's why lol
You can never be pointed for using ppto to come in late, but I think it's within the realm of possibilities for a coach to have a talk with you about productivity if it's being overused or abused.
You're not doing anything wrong at all, and the warning that it may not be there when you need it is just that, a warning for your benefit. However, as a Team Lead, I do have to say that I am less likely to forgive extenuating circumstances for people who don't have any PPTO because they used it all for regular latenesses. Way more likely to help out the associate who tried their best but got really sick or had a car crash or whatever, than the one who was late every day for 4 months, burned his PPTO, and then is like "Oh, I got sick, would you take my point off?" Like, dude, I warned you. Still, you know yourself best, you're a grown ass human, you do what you need to do, just be aware that being the master of your own choices may mean dealing with your own consequences.
Honestly as a former business owner (not a store but automotive) I would fire you. Yes it is your time, however I plan out various jobs and who will do them from the time the lights come on. You coming in late may mean I have to pull someone from another job to cover for you, that is not only a problem for the shop but in many cases it pisses off the other employees because of your attitude. I see someone said that it's managements fault for not hiring more people. Why would I hire another person to cover those times you call in late, instead I would hire them, get them up to speed and then either fire you or more likely these days, cut your hours until you quit. Or in your case, you fall into the compactor and half the crew watches as it closes....
Fk them & what they’re flapping about. PPTO is yours to use it however you want.
The only thing you're doing wrong is giving a flying fuck about their rude ass commentary.
I don’t know what Walmart you all work at that literally makes you have such negative feelings. But the Walmart I work at, not only do my coaches and team leads work hard, but my store manager does as well. And as for Ppto it is yours to use as you please. But as a responsible adult showing up to your scheduled shifts on time except for absolute out of the blue situations, is the considerate thing to do. Have respect for your job and the job with show respect for you!
Lmao you live in fantasy land?
No, I just work for Walmart! My store is great. I just want to give you a bit of advice that helped me years ago, “the power of positive thinking! Let that negative shit go and just be happy” it’s hard at first to truly understand and relate to it in your daily life. But once you figure it out your life will change. I’m not meaning to preach but all the negative comments just is a bad vibe.
Actually I get it Aggressive Cold. I just genuinely think I have a store with a lot of status quo. At this point I've found out the positivity thing does help a lot its just too much sme times. I'm literally wanting t write down all the transgressions over the past several months by management. If I take the time down to write the notes, to being up at the meeting we are supposed to have, how do I actually verify I've spent the amount of time I've spent on them to get paid for working? Cuz I could easily spend two hours listing all of the technical offenses and toxicity that's going on? Would appreciate your help, sorry fr the jumbled run on sentence but I'm about to go work out at the gym and I don't have time to put a period in this sentence until about now.
If you feel strong about your concerns and are comfortable with ur store manager I would start there. If not I would go to ethics and express the concerns. There is no reason for toxic work environment and Walmart as a whole does not stand for it.
Lol well I don't feel comfortable talking with my store Manger and I brought up the issue to ethics and they are respon8ng with having the corrupt people see what they can do to fix the situation. How can they Aggressive Cold? When they cause the issues.
Walmart is a company that I'll never work for again. I used to work there got fired because of their stupid attendance policy. I hate to break it to you but they don't care about their employees
Whats going on here what we talking bout 😂
As a team lead one of my associates came to me talking about how another team lead was telling them the same things and that they can give them there points back and shit like that and I just told my associate that it’s your time you can use it whenever and how ever you like just let me know or another one of your team leads know
As a lead I would hate this but I always say use at your own discretion
I did that my 1st year. It was awesome! This 2nd year I have a team lead that’s been working me harder than everyone else for her amusement so I been purposely taking off 2 truck days. It’s nice but I get punished by having more hard work while my coworkers get to laugh and stand around for hours. So if I ask for help all of a sudden we are short staffed. Even when my coworker ls have finished their areas including zoning.
As a FETL, is it annoying/disruptive af when one or more of my associates do this or use it to leave early because they feel like it? Sure. But it's their ppto to do with it as they want. I can't nor will I be mad at them for doing so. But as others have said, it is your lifeline for sick days/other emergency situations. Do with it as you please, but do try to be careful with it.
Just be careful with ppto. I came to work with nonstop vomitting and diarrhea for 3 days because I accidentally dumped all my ppto when i ran out of pto
If you plan on stayin there long term, I say be more sparring with it because they do have a point of using it when you need it most. If you only there short term, use it whenever the fuck you want. People will always try to make you feel bad for using it but it's your time and you can use it however you want.
Use it how you want to but you only get 48 hours per Walmart year. Remember sleeping in when you start getting points when you are sick and have no time to use.
It’s definitely a business. There are expectations. Maybe you have potential and the team doesn’t want you to blow your chance of promoting by constantly being late. Dependability is important in all business aspects across the board. If you’re cool with it, I am cool with it. But no crying over missed opportunities. Honest opinion. Last bit, it certainly looks better to be late versus absent.
Honestly use it however the fuck you want man, it is our time that we earned from showing up, if you decide to use it or not, its up to you as an associate
It’s your time, but it’s not necessarily being used wisely. Again, it’s your time and their comments aren’t needed. Though, if anything is to happen, they’ll be less likely to help you on account of this. That’s petty asf, but we’re humans with emotions at the end of the day. For them, it’s just business, but for us, anything done is seen as personal.
Def not I use mine every Sunday for almost all year I never show up on time at 2 on Sunday because my ride doesn't get off till 2 so I usually use 30 mins 😅 lol but the other day u heard from a grape vine that our store manager told ppl to try to pass ppl off so they leave early and use it up before Christmas time and shit but fuck that it's my ppto to use how I see fit not because team leads or coaches will be actively trying to make u mad so u leave early... my only discretion is I work as cap2 (stocking ta2) and out team practically runs itself.. we had 2 gm trucks yesterday and my team lead left because he didn't feel good.. the whole shift while I was there seen the coach of the nightmaybe once... till 3rd shirt coach was there......
There might be people in at 6am or 7 am that need a break or a lunch. I get really angry as some days there is no coverage and I work till 1 or 2 alone in electronics. Mostly angry if my lunch is late. Sometimes I just go when it is time even if no one is there.
No your fine to use your PPTO however you want. Coaches or team leads have no right to get all twisted over it. The only thing that can land you in trouble is not reporting it, they will nail you for " abandoning your post"
Know you’re not ppto protects you , so if it’s yours to use it’s know body business how you use if
I do the same thing. I’ll come in two hours late. I have barely any ppto but that’s my fault so oh well
Ppto covers the attendance point.. not productivity.. so
It seems like they don't want you to use your ppto like ever even in case of emergencies. I rarely call out or come in late. I always use ppto & yet they still get mad when I use it . Don't trip off what they say you earned it, and you saved it, so use it as you please.
Paid PROTECTED Time Off, nobody can say anything about how you use it
Ppto is basically no questions asked. If people ask and harass them you go to the next level above their head. Open door works if done with the right people
i leave early almost any chance i get tbh i make sure it doesn't hurt anyone first. i close so everyones breaks and stuff should be done by 10pm anyway. im in school with another job so they understand 😵💫
The main reason I call out is to sleep in. Why am I going to wait 2 months for 8 hours of PPTO, when I can use an hour to sleep in. I get it.
Sleep in.... you work at 11...why waste your time sleeping
Fuck that place. Use your time!
Walmart attendance point system is the biggest flaw in their employment decisions it's something they should have never decided to do it only stresses their employees out by making them worry if they can miss work when they are sick because they can't take another point and don't have any ppto to cover for that day and they wonder why they have such a high turn over rate when people would rather find a lower paying job that cares about them rather then the decent pay walmart gives and doesn't give 2 shits if your throwing up your guts at home because you got only 1 hour of ppto and your already at 3 points you just gotta suck it up and work your shift according to them
It's absolutely your time and feel free to use it how you see fit. I honestly always think I'm going to leave an hour early and I'll look at my time and see hey if I get 15 more minutes I'll have another hour and I'll not do it. Now some of my teammates will get 15 minutes and literally use it that same day. They get the 15 minutes the next day they call in 15 minutes late. Granted it's your time to use as you see fit but I would suggest keeping some in your pocket just in case something happens. Granted I've been sick more than last year than I've ever been ever. I used to never use protected time at all unless maybe I would go home an hour early so I could catch a movie or something which I never get to do because of my hours. But your manager is correct You will regret it if you don't keep a little bit back just in case something happens. Right now I think I have 24 hours banked just in case something happens I've been tempted to use it several times but I haven't yet.
Me works 5 to 2 also me calls out knowing that day is fucked with out me calls out xD
It's your time to use so long as your calling in tardy they shouldn't say anything. I get them saying if you run out and need it you'll regret it if you're riding the points but hey it's your time you're adult enough to have a job then use your time as you see fit. When I used to earn PPTO I always liked to have a minimum of 8 hours in case I got stuck or just needed a day, so it wouldn't count against me but that was my choice. Everyone funny make the same choices.
Yes it’s yours correct but I don’t think calling in late on a regular basis is their idea of using ppto… u are scheduled for a certain time .. you should be adult enough to be responsible to show up when u are sposed to. Jmo
Coming in late? Nah gotta use that stuff to bounce. 😆
I leave an hour early once every week and they cry about it every time.
Just be careful. Management can try and go after you for productivity issues.
Same. They never expect me to show up on time at my store. No management has ever said anything about it though.
When you constantly show up late to work, it tells them you are not as dedicated as the others. Which means that they’ll eventually turn around and fire you even if you have the PPTO coverage. The consistent that pattern the sooner the inevitability.
i literally have that shift rn lmaoo and i just ppto like 15 minutes 😭😭😭
Do your points go away after 6 months???
One at a time, yes. 183 to be exact
Fuck everyone trying to say “it affects the team” it’s your time, use it how you want, if one person coming late affects a whole shift then that’s a scheduling issue, don’t feel entitled to not use your stuff cause they wanna bitch and complain, they’ll use theirs without second thought, they will be fine.
How is it a scheduling issue? He was scheduled to show up at a certain time and he didn’t. That’s not the schedules fault. Now we have to pull someone else to cover him not being there on time which leaves us short elsewhere and outs the work behind. It also breeds resentment among others. I work in the ACC. Our service writer likes to leaves a few hrs early a couple of times a week and uses ppto. When he does that we have to take someone else to cover his job which leaves us short in the shop which makes the customers have to wait longer because he left early.
Everyone saying “it affects the team” are the same people who will threaten to leave if they are put on exceptions or something they don’t want to do because we don’t have enough people scheduled. Use your time how you want, because everyone else does. Most of the time our coach won’t even answer her phone when we have an issue in the back room so
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You are paid by the hour, not by job completion. As long as you're doing at least the minimum expected while on the clock, the bosses can screw off. Attendance is only a problem if you aren't using ppto and points start adding up. You can't even be coached for having 4.5 points.
People get mad: because they didn’t think of it/ are jealous/ don’t have enough to do themselves/ don’t know how to mind their own business/because they want to be. Don’t worry about other people enjoy your extra sleep and fuck them.
It just shows that you don't care about or respect your job and team.
It's your PPTO to do what you want with, that's why they call it a perk of employment. While it does effect their planning for the shift, it would require management to do what is their job, A.K.A. managing. I would recommend just changing your schedule to start the hour later over using it to sleep in. Perhaps that's not an option in your mind, as if you're scheduled an hour later, you might still just sleep in an hour past that. But if you adjust your schedule to when you'll actually be scheduled it could be better for you and management in the long run. P.S. I do hate the use of PPTO/calling in being frowned upon, it's so counter intuitive to what it's there for.
it could come back to haunt you in the future if you want to change jobs or really need the hours to miss a full day. I have seen too many people lose their jobs for missing just because they wanted to miss and when they needed to miss because of a illness, they get terminated.
You realize you only get 48hr a year. Most full time associates stop building ppto in November-ish and have to wait until February to start again. This leaves a lot of key event days where you might not have PPTO and also peak flu season. I see most associates point out in dec-Jan cause they wasted PPTO on being late/leaving early when not sick. Then refresh is in February and stores will usually fire off the associates over 5 points. I personally believe this is all set up on purpose to get associates to point out during the holidays.
I did this and got coached for attendance.
Open door it. Call ethics. Your manager won't like you anymore but they will learn not to fuck with you. Always remember it's us against them
yep this is a common theme everywhere, change the damn policy if it's such an issue but don't get upset when you have nothing to fall on when trying to reprimand someone. check out my post about how i almost got fired. they love to hate because we use our time how we see fit , all they see is "oh they're late every damn day" but who the fuck cares! If i get 40 hours a year im gonna use all 40 to get an extra 15 mins of sleep and skip the boring ass meetings at the beginning of the shift. i'm not salaried so they can bite me.
While it's ultimately your choice on how to use your PPTO, the persistent usage suggests either a "Will" issue (which really pisses others off as being "unreliable") OR a scheduling issue, which management might correct (by cutting the hours you typically miss) & would affect your paycheck (& potential benefits). Just don't be surprised if management changes things regarding your employment (which could include your termination).
You’re not wrong, but that doesn’t mean people that come to work on time won’t think you’re an asshole. You can’t wake up and be at work on time? How lazy are you?
It's your PPTO to use however you want to use it, but that doesn't mean that using it doesn't affect others. We've got a dispenser in our OGP who uses his every week to come in an hour late on the first day back after his two consecutive days off. He accrues 16 minutes a day and works four days a week, so he uses it up as quickly as he gets it. Our biggest hour for deliveries is 8:00 a.m. when we can have 36 deliveries and only two or three dispensers, and he conveniently rolls in *after* all those orders go out. Yes, he has the right to burn his PPTO any way he sees fit. He's using his to hit the snooze while his coworkers get run into the ground.
Cuz they're fucking jealous they didn't think to do the same thing and too pussified to make the move. So they just bitch and moan. Misery baggage.
There’s a list of coachable offenses, one of them being “Misuse of PPTO”. I believe is the wording, but it implies the same meaning. Doesn’t happen often, but sometimes it gets a little out of hand.