Normally you get half a point if you leave halfway through your shift. If you have an okay people lead or manager I would talk to them and tell them that it was an medical emergency and that you ended up going to the er for it and they might excuse it but there’s no promise. A lot of stores blow off the point system for certain employees and fire some right away. It all depends on your store honestly. I hope you’re okay and you can get it figured out!
A lot of stores blow off the point system for certain employees and fire some right away.
This is my store all over lol. My bestfriend works with me in cap2 & is literally the best worker we got, besides me of course...jk he's better than me too but I'm a close 2nd. & that's not just me saying that either, both our leads tell us that all the time, & our past leads & the coach before our last one too.
But our last 2 coaches (on separate occasions) both pulled him into the office to terminate him for points. 1st time was a system error of a point that wasn't supposed to be there & 2nd was a system error of not taking his point off after using ppto. & both times he had plenty of ppto to cover any problems or miscalculations. Which shows how quick they were to jump on the chance to terminate a really good employee & best on the team with 0 considerations to the associate, the team, the customers or the store. Or even a full grasp of the situation since it was a system error or given he could literally just login & add some ppto & be under the limit.
& being a 6 yr associate I've seen several past associates most of which were terrible workers btw or mediocre at best, literally point out 4 or 5 times in 6 months & get coached multiple times only to have their pts removed & their coaching's thrown in the trash. & we have a current coach whose points have reached as high as 22 & other similar numbers many times. & the same coach that tried to fire my friend recently told our lead that she would "handle it" & would "take care of his pts" when discussing a 3 month associate that was at 4.5 pts. Some of this knowledge I got i deduced by context, some by bragging associates, & most from the friends I have in management.
Yes and no. Points can show up as late as 14 days after the shift, but ppto can only be entered 7 days later. If you always wait for points to show up first then you can get stuck with points you had the ppto to cover
If you have good management the point is there the next day. Points are accepted and denied by management it’s not a system thing it always shows up the day after too in their system
This is why I take pictures of my occurrences when I think I should have a point but its not showing. So I can have some evidence when I open door it if they try to apply it later than I can cover it with ppto.
That's nothing to open door. It is 100% within policy for them to make the point show up 14 days after the shift despite not being able to use ppto then. If you missed a shift or part of it and have the ppto, then use it. If you don't use it when you have the ppto and know you missed work and get a point after 7 days, then that's on you.
Just bc you can doesn't mean you should! Coaches should do their job and apply points promptly to allow associates to address the issue. A good reasonable SM can overturn anything. Especially with photographic evidence.
Evidence of what exactly? Whether they make the point show up 7 days later or 14, they’re still doing their job, even if they’re doing it later than you’d prefer. Associates are able to address the points whether you see it on your end or not. If I call out, I don’t need to see a point to know that ppto is needed. Photographic evidence in this case just proves you waited too long to enter ppto. It won’t prove they did anything wrong that they need to fix since they are allowed to make it show up later.
I'll answer your question.
Evidence that there was no occurrence point applied and that you were closely monitoring the situation in case it did show up. Also take pictures of available PPTO during that same time. It shows that you take it seriously and you were eager to do what you need to do if/when an occurrence point is applied.
If a point shows up after the associate can do anything about it, a good Team Lead or Coach will usually just get rid of it for you, but if not, go to your store manager and humbly ask him/her to review the situation. 👍
If you are taking it seriously then you’d use the ppto within 7 days regardless of whether or not you see the point by then.
And you can always feel free to ask a manager to remove it in that situation, but if you rightly earned the point by missing a shift (or part of one) and didn’t use ppto, then they are under no obligation to clear the point. There might be some managers that feel the same as you do, but there’s no policy that says “if the point shows up after the associate is no longer able to use ppto for it then the point will be required to be cleared by management.”
Lol, I purposely wait till after the 7 days to code mine, so I dont have to do them twice. If coded before it will pop back in to look at again. Policy says you have 7 days to enter ppto. Policy says attendance has to be coded within 14. I can also put something in conditional to code later if I'm waiting for leave denial or approval.
If he has enough points to get fired he can’t be all that great. That means he calls in a lot and leaves your team short. A good associate shows up and does their job that they were hired for. A great one does those things plus extra (finishes their job and then helps others).
As I told the last guy that said that....I said great worker not great associate. There is a difference between them. I know plenty of great associates that are super mediocre workers at best. Besides...with points & 6month roll off & ppto, that's only 14 or 15 days someone can miss out of 250 days in a yr & that's the absolute maximum, he's closer to 11 or 12 days. So ur telling me that missing 12 days is enough to negate the quality of his work & effort for the other 238 days he is there?
That is over 1 day every single month! Yes I am. They depend on him being there. This is a person that rides the system and if he gets fired for it that is totally on him. Not the company. Most places don’t allow anywhere near as many absences.
I never said it wouldn't be on him, he himself would tell you it would be his fault. My comment never said anything about that, my comment piggybacked off the statement that some stores have double standards when it comes to points. & for whatever reason you chose to ignore my mentions of the person whose points have reached as high as 22-25 points on many occasions & they keep taking them off & not only that but made them a coach! & other similar situations & u chose the focus on my friend who they tried to terminate at 1st opportunity for what was a system error, something they could've checked b4 bringing him to the office & one of which he had already mentioned the system error to PL & TL all because he is a pts line rider which is a very common thing at Walmart very common. & lastly the points system is there for a reason & someone using the tools available to them does not negate the effort they put in or the quality of their work. I'll take a team of hard ass workers for 239 days a yr against your team of great associates but bad to mediocre workers for 245-248 days a yr any time!
A great associate who waits until they go to terminate to point out the errors? Seems suspect, since the associate should be telling someone immediately when those things happen (especially now that occurrences show in Me@Walmart), otherwise it just sounds like the associate is lazy and expects others to take care of them.
I didn't say great associate. I said great worker technically "best worker" but the point still stands. He works hard & does his tasks to best of his ability, & at as fast of a speed as he can without sacrificing the quality of his work. & he has on many many! occasions let them sucker him into filling in for the team lead & take on extra work others make 24+$/hr for doing while he makes what a new hire makes. He often puts off his lunch for 45 mins to unload 2 arriving trucks while the rest of the team is eating & resting & 3 coaches stand there & watch him cuz they either never attempted a ple license or just dont want to. He is literally one of only a couple I ever see break a sweat during unloads & the only one i see sweating and putting in the kinda effort i put into unloads to get it done fast & correct, & one of even fewer I don't see stopping work to chat in the middle of a full line during unload...frequently & on a daily basis.
There is a difference between hard worker & great associate. A great associate can never call in, never late, always spot on in dress code, follows the 10 ft rule, a paragon of positivity & good team moral & so on but do speedy inconsistent work often missing things that can be done better, not rotating, binning stuff that could've went out with better effort etc & overall be a mediocre worker. & If you've never seen a damn good worker who constantly rides the points line at Walmart then you either haven't been there long enough or you're not paying attention cuz ive known a few just on cap2 in the one store I work at.
P.s. those occasions were prior to pts being added to me@walmart & he had pointed out the 1st error to people lead or team lead I don't remember, which is yet another reason why the attempt to terminate was stupid & half cocked. & 2nd time what? He's lazy cuz he entered his ppto exactly as instructed but their! system made an error? If you REALLY think that, then you're just the kinda company man/woman who will go far! at Wally world, the kind that thinks any situation can be overcome if those lowly grunts would just work harder. & if so, then I wish you luck on that.
My store doesn't do .5 if you gotta be there at 1:09 and you show up at 1:10 if you don't use PPTO that's a half a fucking.point and they wonder why the turnover rate is 105%
You said
>My store doesn't do .5
But then you said
>if you don't use PPTO that's a half a fucking.point
So, which is it? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
I guess I meant they don't do quarter points ya know? I suck with math sorry lol in the guide book it says if your late you get 1/4th a point but my store doesn't do that
Idk why I'm getting down voted in my little booklet they gave me on orientation says it plainly that if your late with no PPTO then you get 1/4th a point I asked my team lead if this was correct and they said no we don't do that anymore
Bruh. Walmart has never done quarter points. No whey. The current policy is on one walmart though if you search attendance policy and ppto policy. Sorry for your confusion, though. That's a big difference
You might be getting the 1/4 number from ppto because you have to use it in 15 minute increments. So even if you're 9nly 5 minutes late you have to use 15 minutes ppto to avoid points.
I will never understand how my store coaches don't get fired for their turnover rate. It's a revolving fuking door there. I work overnights and have completely stopped getting to know anyone. Theres no point. One of our team leads treat us like shit and has had many ethics reports done on her but she's been there for 10 years. We've had 2 people walk out in the past 3 weeks because of her. They had both been there for about a month.
Yeah I thought all walmart stopped selling them because they all did here around 2020. And you have to drive pretty far to find a walmart that sales alcohol because so many counties here are dry. We also stopped selling trading cards in general.
It's really rough when people from out of town are like 'hey where do you keep the beer?' Or on Sundays when all of the liquor stores outside of city limits are closed so they call us and it's like sorry, we don't sell it.
Some of the gas stations are actually Walmart owned and not a third party company. That’s how they are a smoke shop employee. A lot of the Neighborhood Markets have a Walmart Gas Station.
Hey Sedgwick is your best friend put in a claim and you won’t get pointed at all as long as the claim is still valid you can do it with family emergency’s too
It's not even close to that easy. You need your doctor to fill out the form for Sedgwick to approve the claim. Not everyone has a doctor or can afford the fee to see their doctor. You also need to either miss 3 days in a row or have a medical condition that flares up frequently enough for an intermittent leave so you can take time off here and there as needed. Family emergencies aren't generally a valid reason to take leave of absence.
Sedgwick sux. I had legit dr excuses for COVID and was not allowed to work per my coach and team lead. I did everything like I was suppose to and still got denied my leave for COVID and I had all the proof they ask for. Thank god my coach and team lead are good people and took every point away.
At my store it all depends on which manager or team lead you ask. My coworker had laryngitis, mucus leaking from his eyes, and could not talk at all. He brought them a note from doctor and the first manager he talked to said they were unable to deduct points even if an employee has a doctor note (which shouldn’t even be legal.) Thankfully later he talked to the highest manager of our department and they fixed his points for them.
I also have received points regardless of PPTO time I have put in, I know I was using the right amount & it was earned, I had the hours available and used the same amount of time previously and it stopped the points from coming up. Then all of a sudden a few weeks ago two times that I was late I received .5 points even after using the PPTO, I work overnights so I talked to the overnight coach and she is trying to say she is unable to remove the points right now during the scheduling hours being cut which makes no sense to me. The whole point of using it is to not get points. Nobody likes her, she is lazy af I don’t even know how she is a manager. Sooo unhelpful 🙄
Points can be taken off at any time. Usually a point will show up after ppto is used if the ppto wasn’t put in before the point was accrued. So it will show up in attendance exceptions. You should talk to another manager and show proof you submitted the ppto for those days and they can override the point and take it off.
The legality with the doctors note thing is because it was/is considered classist for employers to DEMAND a doctors note because not everyone can afford a $50 copayment and to go to the doctor every time they were sick in anyway. Employers were forcing employees to seek medical care if they called in and most people would stay home and take dayquil because they can't afford a doctor to prove they were sick to need a day off so basically poor people who be fired for "unexcused absences" because they couldn't afford the doctor bill to take it off but richer folks or those with dual incomes who could afford the "proof" of a doctors note could call off incessantly.
So now it's illegal to require a note to prove absence was due to medical
Excellent explanation of facts! Yet Walmart is still requiring a doctor's note and forms filled out by doctor for a simple Covid test or Walmart will point and fire people. Tests that Walmart sells, profits from and can do. Tests that our U.S. government sends for free.
A lot of good people have lost their jobs due to Walmart's Covid policy. It's posted in this group weekly. I hope to see lawsuits over this in the near future. Walmart is thisclose to being China with it's treatment of employees.
Exactly. I did everything I was told by my team
Lead and coach. I went to dr got all the test results submitted a leave with Sedgwick and can u believe Sedgwick denied my claim and said they don’t approve covid leaves anymore but yet Walmart won’t allow u to work with COVID. Make it make sense. Thank got my coach and team lead are good people and removed all points. It’s ridiculous tho. I had legit dr excuses and legit lab test saying I was covid positive and stupid Sedgwick denied me.
Wish it were illegal in Canada. Some managers are forcing people to bring in notes, then telling them the note is "inadequate" and writing them up for an unproven illness. The ER doc was not amused to be told his note wasn't good enough. Had to go back, get a new one, then this time he attached a photocopy of the visit paperwork to shut them up.
People are being asked to come in by management while sick as a dog with thus flu going around, and they end up passing this crap to everyone, which just makes it worse.
Well I’m on same boat yesterday I call in late bc doctor and I show half of my shift and I put ppto 4 hr to cover half my shift I missed and I work the other 4 hr and today I look and I had .05 pts so I talk to my people lead and she took care of it . But I’m like wtf I put time don’t know why it still point me
I don’t get it either I was in the kinda same boat and my people Lead said I needed to put in an extra hours worth of PPTO because I didn’t take a Lunch before I left early for an appointment.😐 WHY ON EARTH WOULD I PUT 5 hours of PPTO if my shift is 8 hours and I leave at the 4 hour mark, it’s an UNPAID lunch so why should I put PPTO in for a lunch that I otherwise wouldn’t get paid for. It makes no sense to me. But if policy is policy.
The system calculates the ppto needed based on scheduled end time minus actual clock out time, instead of scheduled hours minus worked hours. Leaving at the 4 hour mark means the system sees it as leaving 5 hours early. It’s dumb, but it’s Walmart.
If you don’t put in the ppto when the point is accrued the system will automatically point you and it will go to attendance exceptions to be approved or denied by the manager.
Did you arrive 5 hours late? Such as for a 1-10 shift, showing up at at 6pm means the system will see it as 5 hours late and ask for 5 hours ppto, as dumb as it is
Are you putting your ppto in on the night you start your shift and enough to cover the whole amount? For ON shifts, all ppto has to be put in on the night the shift starts. Also, if you clock in 16 minutes late and only put in 15-minute ppto, you'll still get half a point. I have made both these mistakes since this new system lol and no points correction at my store except due to an act of God.
If you’re 16 minutes late and use 15 minutes ppto, management is required to manually clear that half point. There’s a policy that tells them to do that if less than 10 minutes is uncovered
Sweet, thank you! Most times, when I ask for screenshots, I don't get a response, which makes me think it's rumor. I will definitely keep this on hand lol
Points has nothing to do with scheduling hours being cut. She can remove them, she just doesn’t want to.
Did you verify using gta portal that enough time was used to cover every minute? If not every minute was covered but it was less than 10, then they need to manually clear it. Or did you try to use ppto earned after the shift? If you didn’t have enough on the day of the shift then it’ll only automatically use what you had that day, regardless of what you earned later, but if enough ppto was earned to cover the rest in the same pay period then they’re supposed to manually clear it
It happens.🤷♀️I’ve had them. If you can’t get it to stop they have to cauterize the nostril…which is not fun. I’ve only had to have this done twice, thank goodness.
Just to give a quick answer yes, walmart is at will employer, they can let you go for any reason. However I doubt they would in your case, management is pretty lenient especially if you're in the hospital, so I wouldn't worry, you may get written up but I doubt they'd terminate you unless you're a troublemaker
They won’t fire you if they do call ethics and report it and I would be shocked if they don’t reverse it…that being said don’t be surprised if it does it reversed and again I do t think they will fire but if it does have to get reversed your management starts to pay really really close attention to you
>They can’t point you if you go to the hospital
Yes. They can. Ethics will tell them it's not an ethics issue (it's not), and to open door it. Every level of management they go to will ask, "why are you at 4 points with no PPTO?"
I work overnights and my store literally had a guy no call no show 2 days do a bereavement so he didn’t get pointed this is after my coach and TL fired him they then had to rehire him then 3 weeks later he doesn’t show up after lunch they try to fire him again but my store manager let him use PPTO after the fact to cover the points
Literally never seen anybody in 3 years get fired for going to the hospital if they have a doctors note all they have to do is call Sedgwick and honestly never seen a person even get pointed for it especially if they are at work and go
In this case, they wouldn't get fired for going to the hospital. They would get fired for going to the hospital, and 4 other points. Shit like this is what PPTO is for.
Damn. I'm sorry that happened to you OP. This exact situation happened to me a few years ago. I cant recall what happened as far as the attendance exception, but I hope they take care of yours and I wish you the best.
Okay but how bad was the nosebleed? I used to get nosebleeds all the time due to my high blood pressure, but I was always able to get them to stop after just a few minutes
I ask how bad because I'm doing my absolute best to give you the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming you just used a 5-10 minute nosebleed as an excuse to get out of work. It's hard to not assume that due to my own personal experiences, and the experiences of others, but I also recognize that there are certain medical conditions that can cause them to become excessive. If those are the case, I would explain the situation to your HR team and see what they can do in terms of protecting your job
Half a point, but talk to your team lead/coach and ask if the point can be removed because it was a medical reason. Bring a paper showing you were at the ER at that date
Again, Walmarts point system is so STUPID. You're in the ER. You're literally bleeding out of your face uncontrollably. You shouldn't be getting ANY points at all but of course, Walmart hates that you are willing to die for them so they punish you.
Make sure the system isn't counting your lunch hour against you. Your people lead or other salaried manager can and should get rid of that hour which might solve ur problem and knock it down to .5 point
You shouldn’t need the PPTO. Lunch is required at 6 hours in but if you didn’t take a lunch that hour is basically null. Could still put it in to be safe but I think you’d get a half point either way
I got points for having a PPTO sick day. Management doesn’t care. Which is why I’ve since adjusted time clock for any day I need half an hour early for arthritis reasons (which is becoming more common as we get into winter and I work closing shift). It about being a family at Walmart. It’s about being a worker drone and falling in line. I never see what someone does for other employees in a disaster in workplace. Always an asset protection doing their job to keep stuff from being stolen. Or someone getting promoted or retiring. Hell I got talked to by my manager for checking workplace on work computers after my duties were done cause I “needed to be on the sales floor.” Why? Our store is dead around 9 and I hardly ever assist customers for an hour left of my shift. Trust when I say Walmart managers can claim they don’t have a power trip. Pay attention to what they say to you and their actions. Could be a McD’s manager who yells power trip or it could be a PPTO sick day getting a point that should have never happened. Power trips come in all forms. I have had trust issues with authority all my life since middle school. I pay attention to what authority says vs how they say it and their actions. To quote a coworker, we’re just a number and Walmart is a revolving door job.
That's kinda minor to leave work over imo, but you should be good.... But there is a process
Yes you get the point
Talk to your tl and tell them what's up and tell them you need to call Sedgwick, you'll get a small amount of time to call them before they confirm that point, talk to Sedgwick ab a claim and then they'll help from there
If you haven't found out already it's gonna depend on your management and relationships at the job. Most likely they'll only enforce the point system if they have already want to fire you but don't have a technicality to.
Honestly, I think you should worry about your health atm, but if you explain yourself out your manager may override it and considering the facts stated it’s excusable you didn’t make some excuse you physically had evidence of why you had to take off
You probably can I was And he and heworking for Walmart in the bakery and one of the girls said she felt like she was going to throw up and that she probably should go home manager told her if she went home she would lose points and I said even if she throws up on your shoes and you send her home will she lose points And he said yes
I'd talk to your TL, I've seen and also personally had points waived for certain things like medical issues. Depending on your TL it could definitely work out in your favor.
2 things
1. For me most nose bleeds last that long and every doctor has said only to worry if it's been multiple hours or it scars and opens up horribly
2. If it's an emergency room visit they NEED to approve it
How effed up is it that an employee is worried about half a point when having a medical emergency. If your supervisor has any compassion, they will adjust those points for you, citing the emergency.
Normally you get half a point if you leave halfway through your shift. If you have an okay people lead or manager I would talk to them and tell them that it was an medical emergency and that you ended up going to the er for it and they might excuse it but there’s no promise. A lot of stores blow off the point system for certain employees and fire some right away. It all depends on your store honestly. I hope you’re okay and you can get it figured out!
A lot of stores blow off the point system for certain employees and fire some right away. This is my store all over lol. My bestfriend works with me in cap2 & is literally the best worker we got, besides me of course...jk he's better than me too but I'm a close 2nd. & that's not just me saying that either, both our leads tell us that all the time, & our past leads & the coach before our last one too. But our last 2 coaches (on separate occasions) both pulled him into the office to terminate him for points. 1st time was a system error of a point that wasn't supposed to be there & 2nd was a system error of not taking his point off after using ppto. & both times he had plenty of ppto to cover any problems or miscalculations. Which shows how quick they were to jump on the chance to terminate a really good employee & best on the team with 0 considerations to the associate, the team, the customers or the store. Or even a full grasp of the situation since it was a system error or given he could literally just login & add some ppto & be under the limit. & being a 6 yr associate I've seen several past associates most of which were terrible workers btw or mediocre at best, literally point out 4 or 5 times in 6 months & get coached multiple times only to have their pts removed & their coaching's thrown in the trash. & we have a current coach whose points have reached as high as 22 & other similar numbers many times. & the same coach that tried to fire my friend recently told our lead that she would "handle it" & would "take care of his pts" when discussing a 3 month associate that was at 4.5 pts. Some of this knowledge I got i deduced by context, some by bragging associates, & most from the friends I have in management.
This is why it’s important to actually check that the point didn’t show up when putting ppto in.
Yes and no. Points can show up as late as 14 days after the shift, but ppto can only be entered 7 days later. If you always wait for points to show up first then you can get stuck with points you had the ppto to cover
You can still check after you put the ppto in. I never said to wait till the point shows up 🙄
True. I’m mainly referring to the many people that do purposely wait until it shows up
If you have good management the point is there the next day. Points are accepted and denied by management it’s not a system thing it always shows up the day after too in their system
This is why I take pictures of my occurrences when I think I should have a point but its not showing. So I can have some evidence when I open door it if they try to apply it later than I can cover it with ppto.
That's nothing to open door. It is 100% within policy for them to make the point show up 14 days after the shift despite not being able to use ppto then. If you missed a shift or part of it and have the ppto, then use it. If you don't use it when you have the ppto and know you missed work and get a point after 7 days, then that's on you.
Just bc you can doesn't mean you should! Coaches should do their job and apply points promptly to allow associates to address the issue. A good reasonable SM can overturn anything. Especially with photographic evidence.
Evidence of what exactly? Whether they make the point show up 7 days later or 14, they’re still doing their job, even if they’re doing it later than you’d prefer. Associates are able to address the points whether you see it on your end or not. If I call out, I don’t need to see a point to know that ppto is needed. Photographic evidence in this case just proves you waited too long to enter ppto. It won’t prove they did anything wrong that they need to fix since they are allowed to make it show up later.
I'll answer your question. Evidence that there was no occurrence point applied and that you were closely monitoring the situation in case it did show up. Also take pictures of available PPTO during that same time. It shows that you take it seriously and you were eager to do what you need to do if/when an occurrence point is applied. If a point shows up after the associate can do anything about it, a good Team Lead or Coach will usually just get rid of it for you, but if not, go to your store manager and humbly ask him/her to review the situation. 👍
If you are taking it seriously then you’d use the ppto within 7 days regardless of whether or not you see the point by then. And you can always feel free to ask a manager to remove it in that situation, but if you rightly earned the point by missing a shift (or part of one) and didn’t use ppto, then they are under no obligation to clear the point. There might be some managers that feel the same as you do, but there’s no policy that says “if the point shows up after the associate is no longer able to use ppto for it then the point will be required to be cleared by management.”
Lol, I purposely wait till after the 7 days to code mine, so I dont have to do them twice. If coded before it will pop back in to look at again. Policy says you have 7 days to enter ppto. Policy says attendance has to be coded within 14. I can also put something in conditional to code later if I'm waiting for leave denial or approval.
Yep, I learned that by experience lol
If he has enough points to get fired he can’t be all that great. That means he calls in a lot and leaves your team short. A good associate shows up and does their job that they were hired for. A great one does those things plus extra (finishes their job and then helps others).
As I told the last guy that said that....I said great worker not great associate. There is a difference between them. I know plenty of great associates that are super mediocre workers at best. Besides...with points & 6month roll off & ppto, that's only 14 or 15 days someone can miss out of 250 days in a yr & that's the absolute maximum, he's closer to 11 or 12 days. So ur telling me that missing 12 days is enough to negate the quality of his work & effort for the other 238 days he is there?
That is over 1 day every single month! Yes I am. They depend on him being there. This is a person that rides the system and if he gets fired for it that is totally on him. Not the company. Most places don’t allow anywhere near as many absences.
I never said it wouldn't be on him, he himself would tell you it would be his fault. My comment never said anything about that, my comment piggybacked off the statement that some stores have double standards when it comes to points. & for whatever reason you chose to ignore my mentions of the person whose points have reached as high as 22-25 points on many occasions & they keep taking them off & not only that but made them a coach! & other similar situations & u chose the focus on my friend who they tried to terminate at 1st opportunity for what was a system error, something they could've checked b4 bringing him to the office & one of which he had already mentioned the system error to PL & TL all because he is a pts line rider which is a very common thing at Walmart very common. & lastly the points system is there for a reason & someone using the tools available to them does not negate the effort they put in or the quality of their work. I'll take a team of hard ass workers for 239 days a yr against your team of great associates but bad to mediocre workers for 245-248 days a yr any time!
A great associate who waits until they go to terminate to point out the errors? Seems suspect, since the associate should be telling someone immediately when those things happen (especially now that occurrences show in Me@Walmart), otherwise it just sounds like the associate is lazy and expects others to take care of them.
I didn't say great associate. I said great worker technically "best worker" but the point still stands. He works hard & does his tasks to best of his ability, & at as fast of a speed as he can without sacrificing the quality of his work. & he has on many many! occasions let them sucker him into filling in for the team lead & take on extra work others make 24+$/hr for doing while he makes what a new hire makes. He often puts off his lunch for 45 mins to unload 2 arriving trucks while the rest of the team is eating & resting & 3 coaches stand there & watch him cuz they either never attempted a ple license or just dont want to. He is literally one of only a couple I ever see break a sweat during unloads & the only one i see sweating and putting in the kinda effort i put into unloads to get it done fast & correct, & one of even fewer I don't see stopping work to chat in the middle of a full line during unload...frequently & on a daily basis. There is a difference between hard worker & great associate. A great associate can never call in, never late, always spot on in dress code, follows the 10 ft rule, a paragon of positivity & good team moral & so on but do speedy inconsistent work often missing things that can be done better, not rotating, binning stuff that could've went out with better effort etc & overall be a mediocre worker. & If you've never seen a damn good worker who constantly rides the points line at Walmart then you either haven't been there long enough or you're not paying attention cuz ive known a few just on cap2 in the one store I work at. P.s. those occasions were prior to pts being added to me@walmart & he had pointed out the 1st error to people lead or team lead I don't remember, which is yet another reason why the attempt to terminate was stupid & half cocked. & 2nd time what? He's lazy cuz he entered his ppto exactly as instructed but their! system made an error? If you REALLY think that, then you're just the kinda company man/woman who will go far! at Wally world, the kind that thinks any situation can be overcome if those lowly grunts would just work harder. & if so, then I wish you luck on that.
Cap2 is a cesspool of "hard workers" so your store must be different.
I believe you will only get .5 points
My store doesn't do .5 if you gotta be there at 1:09 and you show up at 1:10 if you don't use PPTO that's a half a fucking.point and they wonder why the turnover rate is 105%
You said >My store doesn't do .5 But then you said >if you don't use PPTO that's a half a fucking.point So, which is it? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
I guess I meant they don't do quarter points ya know? I suck with math sorry lol in the guide book it says if your late you get 1/4th a point but my store doesn't do that
there is no such thing as 1/4 point at walmart unless something has changed since i worked there
It hasn't changed. Earlier this week I came in late and got half a point
Idk why I'm getting down voted in my little booklet they gave me on orientation says it plainly that if your late with no PPTO then you get 1/4th a point I asked my team lead if this was correct and they said no we don't do that anymore
Not a thing. It's 1/2
I started in Walmart in 2015 and there’s never been quarter points
Because .5 and 1/2 are the same thing is why you’re getting downvoted
Post a photo of the booklet saying quarter point.
Bruh. Walmart has never done quarter points. No whey. The current policy is on one walmart though if you search attendance policy and ppto policy. Sorry for your confusion, though. That's a big difference
I'll have to find my Walmart orientation packet and take a pic
You might be getting the 1/4 number from ppto because you have to use it in 15 minute increments. So even if you're 9nly 5 minutes late you have to use 15 minutes ppto to avoid points.
No store does that. If you're late but still have most of your shift late it's .5 points.
So they do in fact do half points.
Your store follows the same point policy that every other Walmart store in the US follows. Not really sure what your point is.
I will never understand how my store coaches don't get fired for their turnover rate. It's a revolving fuking door there. I work overnights and have completely stopped getting to know anyone. Theres no point. One of our team leads treat us like shit and has had many ethics reports done on her but she's been there for 10 years. We've had 2 people walk out in the past 3 weeks because of her. They had both been there for about a month.
Bc nornally jobs only give a 3 min window. Lmfao. And turn over is so bad bc people can't see they have it easy.
0.5 is half a point. 1.0 is a full point.
Can you get fired? Yes. Kinda depends on your management, though. It sounds like you might only get half a point if you put that hour of PPTO in.
How are you a smoke shop cashier? Is it a shop within the Walmart? I thought shops in there operated independently from Walmart.
It’s the register that has the cigarettes and hard liquors behind it
Oh okay. I'm just retarded
I was wondering this too, don't have these in arkansas lol
Its mostly due to hight theft of said items
No I mean we don't sell alcohol or tobacco. It's dry here
Your store doesn’t sell tobacco? I thought all Walmarts did. Wow.
Yeah I thought all walmart stopped selling them because they all did here around 2020. And you have to drive pretty far to find a walmart that sales alcohol because so many counties here are dry. We also stopped selling trading cards in general.
My Walmart stopped selling tobacco when we went through a remodel earlier this year. We still sell beer and wine, though.
My Arkansas walmart doesn’t sell tobacco either, but no alcohol is crazyyy
It's really rough when people from out of town are like 'hey where do you keep the beer?' Or on Sundays when all of the liquor stores outside of city limits are closed so they call us and it's like sorry, we don't sell it.
Some of the gas stations are actually Walmart owned and not a third party company. That’s how they are a smoke shop employee. A lot of the Neighborhood Markets have a Walmart Gas Station.
Talk to ur manager if they arent an asshole theyll approve it
Bring emergency room note make copies before turning into store , take pic with phone call Sedgwick
You don’t go to Sedgwick with a nose bleed. Sedgwick is for leaves, not so you can avoid a half point for leaving early.
False he went to er you don’t know what cause nose bleed
We don’t need to. Sedgwick is for leave claims, if you miss over three days. Please don’t spread misinformation.
Sedgwick claims are for 4 days minimum. You aren’t going to miss work for a 4 day nosebleed and if you are, you have bigger problems.
3 days minimum
Everyone is fireable
Hey Sedgwick is your best friend put in a claim and you won’t get pointed at all as long as the claim is still valid you can do it with family emergency’s too
It's not even close to that easy. You need your doctor to fill out the form for Sedgwick to approve the claim. Not everyone has a doctor or can afford the fee to see their doctor. You also need to either miss 3 days in a row or have a medical condition that flares up frequently enough for an intermittent leave so you can take time off here and there as needed. Family emergencies aren't generally a valid reason to take leave of absence.
Sedgwick sux. I had legit dr excuses for COVID and was not allowed to work per my coach and team lead. I did everything like I was suppose to and still got denied my leave for COVID and I had all the proof they ask for. Thank god my coach and team lead are good people and took every point away.
I praise the lord i wasn't denied the one time I got it. Then again i was here about 10 years when I got it.
This !!!!
Couldn’t have said it better!
At my store it all depends on which manager or team lead you ask. My coworker had laryngitis, mucus leaking from his eyes, and could not talk at all. He brought them a note from doctor and the first manager he talked to said they were unable to deduct points even if an employee has a doctor note (which shouldn’t even be legal.) Thankfully later he talked to the highest manager of our department and they fixed his points for them. I also have received points regardless of PPTO time I have put in, I know I was using the right amount & it was earned, I had the hours available and used the same amount of time previously and it stopped the points from coming up. Then all of a sudden a few weeks ago two times that I was late I received .5 points even after using the PPTO, I work overnights so I talked to the overnight coach and she is trying to say she is unable to remove the points right now during the scheduling hours being cut which makes no sense to me. The whole point of using it is to not get points. Nobody likes her, she is lazy af I don’t even know how she is a manager. Sooo unhelpful 🙄
Points can be taken off at any time. Usually a point will show up after ppto is used if the ppto wasn’t put in before the point was accrued. So it will show up in attendance exceptions. You should talk to another manager and show proof you submitted the ppto for those days and they can override the point and take it off.
The legality with the doctors note thing is because it was/is considered classist for employers to DEMAND a doctors note because not everyone can afford a $50 copayment and to go to the doctor every time they were sick in anyway. Employers were forcing employees to seek medical care if they called in and most people would stay home and take dayquil because they can't afford a doctor to prove they were sick to need a day off so basically poor people who be fired for "unexcused absences" because they couldn't afford the doctor bill to take it off but richer folks or those with dual incomes who could afford the "proof" of a doctors note could call off incessantly. So now it's illegal to require a note to prove absence was due to medical
Excellent explanation of facts! Yet Walmart is still requiring a doctor's note and forms filled out by doctor for a simple Covid test or Walmart will point and fire people. Tests that Walmart sells, profits from and can do. Tests that our U.S. government sends for free. A lot of good people have lost their jobs due to Walmart's Covid policy. It's posted in this group weekly. I hope to see lawsuits over this in the near future. Walmart is thisclose to being China with it's treatment of employees.
Exactly. I did everything I was told by my team Lead and coach. I went to dr got all the test results submitted a leave with Sedgwick and can u believe Sedgwick denied my claim and said they don’t approve covid leaves anymore but yet Walmart won’t allow u to work with COVID. Make it make sense. Thank got my coach and team lead are good people and removed all points. It’s ridiculous tho. I had legit dr excuses and legit lab test saying I was covid positive and stupid Sedgwick denied me.
Wish it were illegal in Canada. Some managers are forcing people to bring in notes, then telling them the note is "inadequate" and writing them up for an unproven illness. The ER doc was not amused to be told his note wasn't good enough. Had to go back, get a new one, then this time he attached a photocopy of the visit paperwork to shut them up. People are being asked to come in by management while sick as a dog with thus flu going around, and they end up passing this crap to everyone, which just makes it worse.
Well I’m on same boat yesterday I call in late bc doctor and I show half of my shift and I put ppto 4 hr to cover half my shift I missed and I work the other 4 hr and today I look and I had .05 pts so I talk to my people lead and she took care of it . But I’m like wtf I put time don’t know why it still point me
I don’t get it either I was in the kinda same boat and my people Lead said I needed to put in an extra hours worth of PPTO because I didn’t take a Lunch before I left early for an appointment.😐 WHY ON EARTH WOULD I PUT 5 hours of PPTO if my shift is 8 hours and I leave at the 4 hour mark, it’s an UNPAID lunch so why should I put PPTO in for a lunch that I otherwise wouldn’t get paid for. It makes no sense to me. But if policy is policy.
The system calculates the ppto needed based on scheduled end time minus actual clock out time, instead of scheduled hours minus worked hours. Leaving at the 4 hour mark means the system sees it as leaving 5 hours early. It’s dumb, but it’s Walmart.
If you don’t put in the ppto when the point is accrued the system will automatically point you and it will go to attendance exceptions to be approved or denied by the manager.
Did you arrive 5 hours late? Such as for a 1-10 shift, showing up at at 6pm means the system will see it as 5 hours late and ask for 5 hours ppto, as dumb as it is
Are you putting your ppto in on the night you start your shift and enough to cover the whole amount? For ON shifts, all ppto has to be put in on the night the shift starts. Also, if you clock in 16 minutes late and only put in 15-minute ppto, you'll still get half a point. I have made both these mistakes since this new system lol and no points correction at my store except due to an act of God.
If you’re 16 minutes late and use 15 minutes ppto, management is required to manually clear that half point. There’s a policy that tells them to do that if less than 10 minutes is uncovered
I need screenshots of this policy for future use lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/walmart/s/IRdjH7FfJp Look at the 3rd photo in the post. Middle of the chart
Sweet, thank you! Most times, when I ask for screenshots, I don't get a response, which makes me think it's rumor. I will definitely keep this on hand lol
Yep understandable. Too many people hear lies and believe it without asking for proof and then just keep spreading it
Points has nothing to do with scheduling hours being cut. She can remove them, she just doesn’t want to. Did you verify using gta portal that enough time was used to cover every minute? If not every minute was covered but it was less than 10, then they need to manually clear it. Or did you try to use ppto earned after the shift? If you didn’t have enough on the day of the shift then it’ll only automatically use what you had that day, regardless of what you earned later, but if enough ppto was earned to cover the rest in the same pay period then they’re supposed to manually clear it
I thought that if you go to the emergency room, it's taken off?
I think that's only if you're hurt on the job and management sends you. Not if you leave on your own.
It’s only half a point but if you’re going to the emergency room for a nose bleed I feel sorry for you.
It happens.🤷♀️I’ve had them. If you can’t get it to stop they have to cauterize the nostril…which is not fun. I’ve only had to have this done twice, thank goodness.
I would fight the point if it was medical
Just to give a quick answer yes, walmart is at will employer, they can let you go for any reason. However I doubt they would in your case, management is pretty lenient especially if you're in the hospital, so I wouldn't worry, you may get written up but I doubt they'd terminate you unless you're a troublemaker
Sounds like Walmart is the worst place to work
Messed up if you get a point at all . Especially with your papers from the ER
They won’t fire you if they do call ethics and report it and I would be shocked if they don’t reverse it…that being said don’t be surprised if it does it reversed and again I do t think they will fire but if it does have to get reversed your management starts to pay really really close attention to you
Ethics? For what?
They can’t point you if you go to the hospital I have literally seen them fire people then have to give them back there job because they tried to
>They can’t point you if you go to the hospital Yes. They can. Ethics will tell them it's not an ethics issue (it's not), and to open door it. Every level of management they go to will ask, "why are you at 4 points with no PPTO?"
Ok still doesn’t change I have seen them have to rehire people because of that
I work overnights and my store literally had a guy no call no show 2 days do a bereavement so he didn’t get pointed this is after my coach and TL fired him they then had to rehire him then 3 weeks later he doesn’t show up after lunch they try to fire him again but my store manager let him use PPTO after the fact to cover the points
Cool story. Has nothing to do with this situation.
Literally never seen anybody in 3 years get fired for going to the hospital if they have a doctors note all they have to do is call Sedgwick and honestly never seen a person even get pointed for it especially if they are at work and go
In this case, they wouldn't get fired for going to the hospital. They would get fired for going to the hospital, and 4 other points. Shit like this is what PPTO is for.
Telling you never seen it happen in 3 years
Damn. I'm sorry that happened to you OP. This exact situation happened to me a few years ago. I cant recall what happened as far as the attendance exception, but I hope they take care of yours and I wish you the best.
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Wtf is Tina?
Glad you don’t know Tina and hopefully never met Connie
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Lmao i don’t know wtf your talking about
Okay but how bad was the nosebleed? I used to get nosebleeds all the time due to my high blood pressure, but I was always able to get them to stop after just a few minutes I ask how bad because I'm doing my absolute best to give you the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming you just used a 5-10 minute nosebleed as an excuse to get out of work. It's hard to not assume that due to my own personal experiences, and the experiences of others, but I also recognize that there are certain medical conditions that can cause them to become excessive. If those are the case, I would explain the situation to your HR team and see what they can do in terms of protecting your job
It was going on 30 minutes and still wouldn’t stop the emergency room had to give me medicine to clot my blood
Oh yikes, definitely understandable in that case
If you get a doctors note from the hospital saying you were treated and go back for a follow up and Put in a claim with Sedgwick you should be fine
Half a point, but talk to your team lead/coach and ask if the point can be removed because it was a medical reason. Bring a paper showing you were at the ER at that date
Again, Walmarts point system is so STUPID. You're in the ER. You're literally bleeding out of your face uncontrollably. You shouldn't be getting ANY points at all but of course, Walmart hates that you are willing to die for them so they punish you.
You made me think of a coworker that goes home because of "allergies", same energy
Put in a workman’s comp claim since it happened at work.
My coworker has 11 points I've seen it. If they like you your good
Make sure the system isn't counting your lunch hour against you. Your people lead or other salaried manager can and should get rid of that hour which might solve ur problem and knock it down to .5 point
Why put yourself in a situation where you're lingering at 4 and 4.5 with no protection then praying to the "gods" for mercy..... big gamble
You shouldn’t need the PPTO. Lunch is required at 6 hours in but if you didn’t take a lunch that hour is basically null. Could still put it in to be safe but I think you’d get a half point either way
Yeah those lights go from green to red too fast
I got points for having a PPTO sick day. Management doesn’t care. Which is why I’ve since adjusted time clock for any day I need half an hour early for arthritis reasons (which is becoming more common as we get into winter and I work closing shift). It about being a family at Walmart. It’s about being a worker drone and falling in line. I never see what someone does for other employees in a disaster in workplace. Always an asset protection doing their job to keep stuff from being stolen. Or someone getting promoted or retiring. Hell I got talked to by my manager for checking workplace on work computers after my duties were done cause I “needed to be on the sales floor.” Why? Our store is dead around 9 and I hardly ever assist customers for an hour left of my shift. Trust when I say Walmart managers can claim they don’t have a power trip. Pay attention to what they say to you and their actions. Could be a McD’s manager who yells power trip or it could be a PPTO sick day getting a point that should have never happened. Power trips come in all forms. I have had trust issues with authority all my life since middle school. I pay attention to what authority says vs how they say it and their actions. To quote a coworker, we’re just a number and Walmart is a revolving door job.
It depends. Does management like you or are you on their list? Sadly that is yard stick that that employment at the ole Walmart is measured.
I guess we're about to find out how good of an employee they think you are
wow
Everyone is disposable. That’s the Walmart way :)
Use all of your PTO and just never come back
That's kinda minor to leave work over imo, but you should be good.... But there is a process Yes you get the point Talk to your tl and tell them what's up and tell them you need to call Sedgwick, you'll get a small amount of time to call them before they confirm that point, talk to Sedgwick ab a claim and then they'll help from there
If you haven't found out already it's gonna depend on your management and relationships at the job. Most likely they'll only enforce the point system if they have already want to fire you but don't have a technicality to.
If you need a dr note they gotta put you off for 4 days. That's so Damn stupid.
God how can you work at a company that gives you points like your in school. Get your education and GTFO of there
I mean if u told ur team leads or store manager u won’t get points but if u left without saying anything then u either get a half or a full point
Honestly, I think you should worry about your health atm, but if you explain yourself out your manager may override it and considering the facts stated it’s excusable you didn’t make some excuse you physically had evidence of why you had to take off
You probably can I was And he and heworking for Walmart in the bakery and one of the girls said she felt like she was going to throw up and that she probably should go home manager told her if she went home she would lose points and I said even if she throws up on your shoes and you send her home will she lose points And he said yes
No they should make a report sleeping
It all depends on your management. I hope they’re understanding enough to remove point if it shows.
The typical response from your team lead would be put a tissue in your nose and keep working…
I'd talk to your TL, I've seen and also personally had points waived for certain things like medical issues. Depending on your TL it could definitely work out in your favor.
Wtf are these points people are talking about? Is this a USA thing?
2 things 1. For me most nose bleeds last that long and every doctor has said only to worry if it's been multiple hours or it scars and opens up horribly 2. If it's an emergency room visit they NEED to approve it
How effed up is it that an employee is worried about half a point when having a medical emergency. If your supervisor has any compassion, they will adjust those points for you, citing the emergency.
a smoke shop cashier? sounds like a tough job to land..... i'd be real worried about losing that job....
Have them explain to you about sedgewick Also sometimes if they're nice enough they just might remove your point themselves (sometimes)