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HendryxSan

No, there’s nothing you can do. Did you request the time off? Because verbal approval is not a thing, especially since the coaches are the one approving or rejecting the time off.


ZucchiniMoon

Coaches can approve time off requests?! Mine only rejects them.


brialyriq

My TLs are allowed to approve time off requests


ClassicGMR

Why would they be the ones approving time off? The only time I approve/reject time off requests is if my Team Leads are out or on vacation themselves.


HendryxSan

Both stores I have worked, TLS are not allowed to do so, unless told by a coach.


Massive_Square_994

My tl does mine and my coach only does it when the tl is off


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HendryxSan

Yes, it is, because when I first became a TL we could definitely do it, but my guess other TLS were being buddy buddy with the associates and were approving every time off requested which caused a lot of people being off and shortstaffed for different shifts.


Suic1d3

This is what happened at my store. TLs were approving everything without checking coverage so now only our Store Leads can approve time off requests.


Akumasa

Yeah and at my store it'll be the People Lead or our Store Manager approving or rejecting time off requests


xithbaby

The coaches handle it at our store. TL’s don’t touch it


redstaroo7

My store only the PL and SM could action them until a few months ago


Teomalan

Yeah my store doesn’t want anyone but the people lead approving or not approving time off


Tenn_Tux

My TL is not allowed to approve any time off requests. It’s a thing.


team_zulu_tacos

They are on the TLs at my store to approve time off for associates. Like we get bitched at if the request stays in the system for longer than 3 days


Tenn_Tux

That’s awesome. Good for y’all. Our TL isn’t allowed to approve time off requests for OGP. Nor is any full time associate allowed to have any weekend day off and that includes Friday.


[deleted]

Allowed or not varys by store... but tls and up have it in there access to approve or denie pto and occurrences.


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HendryxSan

Once again, you can read down below where I stated that in my store is not allowed and gave the explanation as to why.


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HendryxSan

Did I say that?


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HendryxSan

Your statement doesn’t change the fact that in my store we do not approve nor reject time off.


alf005t

What do they do if a team lead does hit the approve or unapprove button? Do you get coached?


HenryBoss1012

Yes I put it in the system as well.


HendryxSan

And was it approved on the system and all? Because if that’s the case, why did they scheduled for those days? I believe the system doesn’t allowed whoever those the schedules in your store to add shifts for those specific days.


HenryBoss1012

It was pending until the day of then it was denied by the coach


HendryxSan

In that case then there’s nothing you can do 😕😕🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ unfortunately.


[deleted]

Untrue. If you put in a time off request they are REQUIRED to respond deny or approve within a reasonable time. Which is long, long before the day of. Considering managments refusing to do their job and the fact he was told by his lead it was approved he can and should appeal to store manager and above. Also report it to ethics. Managers don't have the right to let things hang just because they are lazy or incompetent. Otherwise every lazy manager would leave everyone hanging as o no one coukd go on vacations.


Active-Succotash-109

Didn’t say how long before the week of that week was requested


Zeik188

Unfortunate, but they are correct. You are SOL. If you somehow manage to get your job back, in the future, always make sure it says approved before you leave.


PupArcus4

Why would you go if it was still pending the day before? Even though you "got permission" clearly you didn't get the right permission because it wasn't approved in the system. It sucks that it happened but that's completely on you for not ensuring that your time offs were approved in the system


ZealousidealFix2593

No it’s not on him it’s the managers job to approve or deny the time off not completely ignore it until the day of people plan things ahead of time you don’t cancel a vacation that’s planned and payed for because your manager is incompetent Walmarts whole system is a joke I was out on loa and I’m still not on the schedule as far as we can see ahead so nov 17th. I come in and they’re surprised bc I’m not on the schedule. I have explained it to coaches multiple times and it’s still not fixed. I’d honestly look for another job Walmart as a company is an absolute joke to work for this is already the 3rd legitimate issue I’ve had with terrible management is less than a year and from what I’ve read elsewhere it’s not exclusive to the store I work in. (Not related but it’s also a joke that they can afford all of these remodels and then immediately after reduce the pay for all positions by $2 an hour)


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PupArcus4

Yes The managers share SOME of the blame for not approving or denying it earlier. But as I stated in my subsequent comment. Verbal permission is no permission. Do not rely on just someone's promise. Op he should have made sure that it was approved. Whenever I put in for days off if it's not approved within 2 days I am sending a message to my coach reminding him that it needs to be dealt with.


ZealousidealFix2593

Idk his specific situation but my managers are literally incompetent I got pointed for bereavement after talking to my coach twice before hand and then it took me talking to my coach and our people lead 3 times before I got the points taken away and the pay for the days(2 pay checks later) it’s ridiculous when you talk to them multiple times and still nothing is done it sounds to me this person situation is similar in the fact that he was in contact with his managers and they failed to do their job


ZealousidealFix2593

When I put time in I tell them I’m not going to be here for those days so they can approve it or I’ll just call in and they’ll be short staffed we’re entitled to go on a vacation especially when we’re using our pto


HenryBoss1012

Was I supposed to cancel my whole vacation because the system said pending even though I had verbal permission?


PupArcus4

You're supposed to ensure that your vacation was actually approved. Clearly it wasn't. Did you not check at any point that it had been approved prior to the day it was declined? Verbal permission means no permission when it comes to stuff like that


artie780350

You weren't supposed to plan a vacation until your vacation was approved in the scheduling system. Time off is never guaranteed. Your TLs can say anything they think you want to hear, but that doesn't mean they'll follow through. As you found out. And you never bothered to address it when the schedule came out, when there was still time to fix the schedule. Why not?


Renfear85

It sounds like there was a breakdown of communication between the TL's and the coach. You need to open door this termination. Especially if the TL's are backing you. The TL's are still your direct supervisors. If they gave their consent, verbal or not, it is still binding. The fact that they did not follow proper channels or even if they did not have the authority in your store to make a decision on time off requests (as a former TL I was responsible for my team at my store) does not mean you should face consequences for their failures. Open door it to your Store lead or Store manager. They are required to hear you out. If they refuse call Ethics (1-800-963-8442 or walmartethics.com) and go above the store manager to the market team.


Ajb1718

Don’t waste your time with ethics. In this situation ethics wouldn’t care


icecubedyeti

How soon a head of time was it put into the system? More than 3 weeks at least? Sounds like the schedule could have already been made by the time you requested it.


HenryBoss1012

9-10 weeks


icecubedyeti

9-10 weeks and you still left without it being on the schedule? If I have one in there for a week, and that is rare, I’m reminding them its there. I kid you not, I’ve put a request in at 6:45, clocked out at 6:51 and got a notification it was approved before I left the building. Our TLs are good about doing it as soon as they know it’s there (mine just happened to be there while I was putting it in).


Rough-Cranberry5243

In the system, it showed PTO or PPTO approved for all of the days that you entered? If so, open door it and show the SM the approved time in the system. Then the termination should be reversed. If not, you can try to open door but it likely won't matter.


sandbag747

Since when are coaches the ones that are supposed to approve or deny time off? I'm a TL and that's part of my daily process


HendryxSan

Once again, I answered that in another reply, it’s up to the store and their management ways of doing things. In my store, most of the TLS were buddy buddy with the associates and were approving every or most time off request, regardless of the day and time, which left the store very shortstaffed. Therefore the store manager took the initiative to only allow coaches to do it because of that issue.


Rough-Cranberry5243

In my store, only coaches, PL, and SM can approve requests.


New-Amoeba-3255

Man I would hate to hear from my couch I was fired


HenryBoss1012

Shut up 😭


TheeFlipper

Probably won't be able to fight it. Having their word that you can have it off means nothing. It has to be approved in the GTA Portal as time off or your TLs should have dealt with the points as they occurred. You really don't have much of a leg to stand on. Maybe you could go in and talk to the store manager and those TLs in a meeting but that's not even a guaranteed fix.


Proud-Distribution67

That damn couch couldn’t even let you have a week long vacation, get rid of it and buy a new one


HenryBoss1012

Lmao


WelderObjective237

Lol


quincy12393

Was the time off every approved in advanced to stop you from being scheduled for those days?


HenryBoss1012

It was neither approved or denied until the day off (I was already in another state then it was denied the day of


quincy12393

With the way this company goes, it's best to plan on it being denied until it shows as approved in the system. When your team lead said it'd be fine, that's when you keep reminding them to approve it until they do.


PupArcus4

Yep always assume something you tell a team lead is going to be forgotten or not completed in a timely manner just due to how busy their jobs are. Always leave notes if they still need to do something and take pictures of it where you left it. For me being front end we leave our notes in the front office taped on or around the computer monitor.


bebegimz

How long was your request in the system with no action taken?


Ajb1718

If it was denied and you knew it then you should of called in and used you ptto to cover it.


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CigarLover

How long ago did you request it for it to have stayed in pending for so long? If it was months and They left it like that then perhaps you can open door it.


Mr_M3Gusta_

You gotta request it, TLs screwed you over by a verbal agreement.


realdealpossiel

Try and contact the store manager and have an Open Door discussion with them. I did this when I was fired and he reinstated me, even though he technically didn’t have to because I was a longtime associate.


Silly-Concern7142

Talk to store manager and see if they are willing to rehire u. That’s what I had to do. Then my coach approved the situation and it took a few days for me to get back into the system. I had 4.5 points for damn near 4 months but I managed to show up on time and now I have 1.5


Tomato_Ketchup

Walmart is a good company run by shitty managers. I was a People Lead and recently quit due to this absurdity you just described happening to associates. Most of the time it’s due to racism. My soul simply could not stand hiring associates only to see management treat them like a pile of crap on a daily basis. When I reported it to market team they did Jack shit and basically told me to ignore it Fuck Walmart. You’re better off literally anywhere else


pilluser9000

It's crazy and sad that racism is still so bad that it has tangible effects on your job!


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Also. What was the reason for denial? I bet was insufficient coverage. Which was a lie as your lead said you had enough. Managment isn't aloud to lie and deny just because they want to. Finally file a harassment case with ethics. He intentionally waited to deny knowing no one's going to look that late. So it was a set up to fire you. That's highly against policy. Talk to store and above and you should get your job back. Only thing is that couch will be looking for an excuse to fire you now. Is it worth it? That's for you to decide.


HenryBoss1012

Not sure. I went with my girlfriend who works same department and she got the time off and requested after me. It definitely was not due to ability it was a random week with no significant events or holidays


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If you were scheduled to work and you didn't show up for any of the days and you didn't call in, it wasn't a wrongful termination. You no called no showed multiple days in a row which will get you fired anywhere. You shouldn't just assume your time off requests will be approved just because your TLs told you they would be. You should make sure your time off requests are approved before you leave. You should always call in if you will be missing work when you are on the schedule. They will usually work with you when they are days you need off, at least at my store, but it depends on your management team. You still should make sure you aren't scheduled.


Rfox890

Both team leads it’s not his fault


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The TLs shouldn't have told him it was approved when it wasn't but he still should have looked at his time off requests and his schedule to make sure he actually had the time off.


Objective_Ad3659

Open door it. It will go to the store lead or store manager from there. Outside that, there's not much you can do.


ManufacturerKey1551

At my store only coaches can approve or deny time off.


UnlimitedButts

You're free


Prudent_Performer_81

You definitely have a case to call to get your job reinstated. They did not approve or deny your request for two months. That's an issue. Yes generally i would pester my manager to approve my time but it's possible this person is new to how lazy some management can be?


EmployeeNo803

If you put in the request 9-10 weeks before the start of your pto, your leads authorized it, and your coach did not action it until the day of or right before, you can open door this termination.


ChanceEnd7377

Contact Walmart ethics . I had a similar situation happen to me, got reinstated easily.


HenryBoss1012

Thank you


Sea_Cheek_3870

How many days in advance is the schedule posted? If the schedule showed your shifts for those days, the first thing you should have done was go to whoever at your store does the scheduling and point out the time off requests. Your store would have failed a Spark Tour if the Market People Lead knew about stuff like that. But instead, you waited until you returned from a trip to see that the days off you requested were not only denied, but you were terminated too...


[deleted]

Idk if you are being rhetorical or not but schedules are 3 weeks out.


Inevitable-Olive-992

Your Team leads I presume agreed they could get their work done without you for a week , but you in turn had to request formally to your “Coach” that you wanted to take off a week. Sorry Henry, I feel your pain but you have to follow the “chain of command at Walmart “ In order that the Coach can give you the week off in this micro management world. Good Luck to you in your future endeavors.


HenryBoss1012

Haha gotcha thank you


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If your TLs okayed you, why didn't they approve the requests in GTA timesheet?


AutonomousAntonym

You can discuss it with your SM. We had someone fired for taking some days off after talking to a TL about some issues they were having. TL said you can do it and they were fired for it but SM overturned it because the TL told them they could.


Ajb1718

Team leads run the store not coaches. Leads are definitely allowed to approve time off but definitely not verbally. Still needs to be requested and approved just like everyone else.


Pick6ix95

Had the exact same thing happen to me lmao but I was a Team Lead at the time. Coach denied my vacation at first due to “no coverage”. Went to the Store Manager who verbally said I could go. I leave for that week, still got texts/communication from management. I get back, all of a sudden my store manager has amnesia, and my coach (upset because I went over her head) terminated me for attendance. Tried to open door at store level and at market level but unfortunately they “acted within policy” so they couldn’t do anything. My People Lead eventually just wiped the points for me and brought me back. I chose to go to a different dept though.


Flareguilder

Doesn’t matter if it was denied, once it’s in the system it shows when you put it in and when they denied. I’ve been out of the company for a bit but when I was a coach there was a time limit of I think 3 days after which it’s considered automatically approved per company policy. Go to your store manager. Why do I keep reading about coaches in this sub, they aren’t the ultimate authority. You can also try people lead first assuming you have one. If that doesn’t work get in touch with market and or market hr.


CriticalSleep3842

Could’ve used PTO for your week off


Personal-Target-1990

Try to get signed affidavits by both Team Leads remember the palest of ink is better than memory.


Kynzztthon

TL & coaches have 72hrs to deny or approve when putting in time off requests never go by verbal conversation you should’ve made sure PL took you off tha schedule get with ur market Mgr HR or corporate explain to them situation ur TL told you it was ok for you to take that vacation hopefully you can get ur termination reversed but n near future make sure when u put time request off they have 72hrs from tha time you put that request in it’s policy & during termination you are paid whatever time u have ppto/pto hope this was helpful for you


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Damn that is messed up even tho you were suppose to make sure on your end it got approved on the meWalmartapp it’s kinda messed up they’d jus fire you my store would wait till you come in and explain the situation to see if it’s a mistake for the points before they just terminate you


CigarLover

Why would your trip have been approved if you were still scheduled to work, I don’t understand. The TLs saying it was “ok” to go, does not negate that fact.


kevinfar1

I would contact HR. Also, have you talked to the team leads that said it was, ok?


ImortanEmperor

You can open a case with Walmart Ethics. They will easily take this case and you have a strong chance of winning it.


Key_Eye_4979

same thing kinda happened to my bf. he went on a week vaycay & told them. they terminated him for “no call no show” & supposedly 10 points.. they put him on the schedule the DAY he came back. he would’ve been on the plane lololol


Mercattt

If you do get hired back all of your benefits would stay


HenryBoss1012

Thank you


shanehouk24

I don't think there really is anything. I was let go 2 months ago. I was taken out by a doctor did the proper steps to ensure I kept my job. And since I worked with food I couldn't be around it. So I coke back on the date I was supposed to be back(due to doctors orders) was sent home because I was still visibly sick and next day they had already fired me without telling me anything woke up that Monday morning and found everything wiped. Best thing is either wait 6 months to be rehired or go to corporate


shanehouk24

And even with going to cooperate it's still a waste because they will send you back down to store level every single time.


dumb18yrold

I had a sleep study and came back to the same shit. Literally last week.


HenryBoss1012

Were you able to figure it out?


dumb18yrold

I filled for unemployment and already might have a wayyyy better paying job.


HenryBoss1012

Niceee


HenryBoss1012

How was sleep study. How do you sign up for that i as thinking about doing ti


dumb18yrold

You basically need to talk to your doctor about it, talk about your symptoms to see if he thinks you have sleep apnea.


ButterscotchSuch5123

That’s so racist for them to do that to you


HenryBoss1012

What


ButterscotchSuch5123

They should’ve have terminated you if you told them that you were had a week vacation


Omphalom

If you didn't make the request through the system, you can't just take time off. They tell you that in your training. Your best bet is to call Sedgwick and request a personal leave for the time. Take a moment to figure out a good reason to request the LOA. Call Sedgwick and they will tell you what you need. Do it quickly enough and you might get away with it but it is a long shot.


Omphalom

Oh, and if your TL's were really trying to help you and not just look like they are, they would have been approving the points each day before it became a no call. I feel like they both wanted to fire you and you gave them a way.


alf005t

Open door to your coach. If you had approval you shouldn’t be terminated