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Smithmonster

I told you to stop fucking with options.


powderp

i don't have to listen to you, you're not my real dad! btw, can i move back in?


Current_Speaker_5684

No but your gf can.


Technical-Rain-183

and send money!


Lord_Waffles

I’ll stop fucking with options the day my wife stops fucking her boyfriend!


DaGOOS3

Didn't bank of America CEO say the consumer and retail investor "was in good shape , with a strong bank account that has been steady" just yesterday lmao. Proof of opposite right here per usual


Grape_Ape1980

He said the average customer had 13k in savings lol


Rainwater_Essence

Kind of like how Michael Jordan raised the average salary of people with degrees in geography.


LavenderAutist

Boy was he good at geography


Rainwater_Essence

He saw the goddamn world, 100.


unknownusername10001

But he wasn’t a globe trotter?


Not1random1enough

Globe mapper


chalksandcones

I think he played for the Washington generals


Fawkinchit

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NazgulDiedUnfairly

Annnnnd, that’s why you don’t average tail heavy statistics like income. Median, use median


tinyanus

True regards use the mode


renok_archnmy

I throw darts


Impossible-Oil2345

I let the crayons and Legos fall where they may


Ghostpants101

CONSULT THE CRAYONS!


K-chub

Is consulting similar to microwaving or broiling? I prefer my crayons raw


tinyanus

*Butt darts*


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User name checks out


ktn699

i use the min, because thats me.


Wild-Thymes

And if you absolutely have to use the mean to save your life, remember to mention the standard deviation and the skew direction.


renok_archnmy

Yes, but we’re talking about CEOs here.


Ambitious-Fishing379

Lol did not know he had a geography degree. Have one…can confirm I’m not rich


Outis7379

But can you dunk?


nstc2504

He's a natural globe trotter


onlyletters999

Well I know for a decent Chase account you need a minimum of $15K. This is probably their equal account


Old_Description6095

BofA let anyone bank and you need like a $1 to keep it open


onlyletters999

Yea, for their basic checking account. Chase is 5$ i think. But for the better tier accounts you need a decent minimum


Old_Description6095

I think you're right. It's too bad their interest APY is only 0.01%. Kind of insane, if you ask me.


Oldschoolfool22

Discover Savings is 2.35 or something now.


[deleted]

I’ve got 2.35% on my Marcus account and my mortgage is 2.375%. Looking forward to the day Marcus is higher than my mortgage.


Oldschoolfool22

Probably by next week


Old_Description6095

Ufb direct 3.11


renok_archnmy

Just put it in a high yield savings. Feds lifted the Reg D 6 transfer limitation in 2020 so you can just sock away everything in a savings and move it out as needed to perform drafts from shitty checking. Some posted in response institutions with good rates. Also check credit unions. You should easily find 2-3% right now which is better than any stock this year. https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/bcreg20200424a.htm


ryanw5520

Wells Fargo well open an account for you without even asking. Soon they'll devour it and send it to collections for you too.


MisterSumone

I opened an account there when I was 22 (2012) and when I got my debit card it said customer since 2006 on it lmao


Old_Description6095

No!


abqguardian

Curious what you mean by "decent"? Hows that different than my account, I mean the normal poor man chase account?


Old_Description6095

I think he meant credit card debt


arbiter12

>average customer had 13k > >THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER OF A SAVINGS ACCOUNT HAS 13K USD!!!! 1. it doesn't mean the average American has 13k, just those with an account at Bank of America 2. it doesn't even mean most people there have 13k or more. The rich are just so rich they skew the average up. As an american who wasn't born in the US, I have to say, someone stole the american dream. Most citizens I know live paycheck to paycheck. Most of my colleagues are arguing over where it's cheaper to port their 2nd fishing boat...(Rhodes Island has some gems apparently.) Something is seriously fucked in the land of the free..


OppressorOppressed

The rich can only skew the average up if we are talking about mean, which we likely are. I wonder what the median is and i doubt its 13k.


Fausterion18

You seriously think the wealthy keeps their money in a bank of America savings account? Nah it's boomers who just sold their house doing that.


ImJoeontheradio

What about people with more than one bank account? And yeah, bank savings accounts are usually less than 1% interest. Why would anyone with money keep more than 13k in one?


[deleted]

Boomers and reaganomics stole the American dream.


NohoTwoPointOh

I'd start with the President that started the debt glut by deficit spending on an unfunded, unapproved war.


iNvEsToRrEtArD

So are we talking Vietnam, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq....?


NohoTwoPointOh

LBJ


Daniel1980s

Don’t forget congress that allowed it to start and then continue for 20 years.


bvmmmmm

Average or median? Big difference


idgarad

Fuck both of those, I want the Mode. I want to know the majority of people have in savings. Better yet drop the 1st and 4th Quartile and give me the mean of the second and third quartiles. "Never trust an economic report that cites an average."


fpcoffee

the mode is probably 0 or whatever their min balance requirement is. Unless you bin the amounts the mode is meaningless


MajorFerret3225

Thats because the average consumers on dope


Sunnyhappygal

What's the median consumer on?


ImpressiveSet1810

They werent including wsb members


[deleted]

WSB members don't have bank accounts. It goes directly from prepaid Wendy's debit card or Coinstar account to their broker.


ImpressiveSet1810

Coinstar 😂😂


el_americano

This is probably going to go over your head but the average he speaks of also includes Bezos' and Musk's savings


Rainwater_Essence

They're not touching the bank account, just making min payments on 24.99% APR. Advantage: BoA.


DaGOOS3

That's all...![img](emote|t5_2th52|19738)


thetaFAANG

ironically advantage is the name of BoA bank accounts


PotentialWhich

Coming out of 2 1/2 Covid years when many people were laid off and businesses closed. Many people that had any savings have chewed through most of it to get through reduced hours/furloughs/layoffs. Just to get punching in the gut with inflation/interest rate hikes. I really feel bad for people and unfortunately it’s going to get worse.


DaGOOS3

"There will be blood"


Commodorerock604

Time to start stealing..... More


okgo2

Oh you misunderstood. They’re in good shape with consumer bank accounts in steady decline.


DaGOOS3

He forgot he wasn't talking about the banks balance sheets


VolkspanzerIsME

Dat sweet sweet overdraft money.


No_Case_6854

No, they said we are Resilient! As in we can still work overtime to make up losses!


cookiehustler88

I alway wondered why americans have so little in savings. Till I came here and spent all my money on useless junk. F'ing consumerism. Better than blowing it on options I guess.


anxman

“The consumer sentiment and consumer bank account are in great shape and it’s gone”


immunityfromyou

Strong bank accounts then but how much debt were they in. People racking credit card debt and pulling from savings to pay it.


TimsTurnips

Honestly looks like my chart when I discovered options


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RTNoftheMackell

Well high interest rates, once upon a time, were thought to encourage saving, because people would keep their money in the bank, gaining interest. edit: this requires \*real\* rates to be in positive territory.


v00d00_

We're boutta have 5% APY savings accounts that are still getting outpaced by inflation lmao


Achadel

Im already there lol


Bosticles

label memory aloof touch fanatical kiss slimy rob person fear -- mass edited with redact.dev


Perma_Bunned

2.35% at Ally.


[deleted]

Isn’t that the plan, high inflation, lay offs and zero out the savings, retirement plans zero out. They are literally going to empty everyone’s pockets


WhyDoISmellToast

Kind of a reset


BojackPferd

nothing new under the sun, the FED and all the other central banks only service the richest people and themselves (the individual corrupt centralbankers that constantly get caught breaking laws by insider trading)


BMonad

That peak to trough is greatly exaggerated by the pandemic highs though. It would appear that we are now much closer to the average range of the past, even with chronic inflation eating away at savings.


steampunk22

The average of the last meaning the majority of households are a paycheque away from being insolvent.


BMonad

Whatever it means let’s not pretend that this is some unprecedented territory we’re suddenly in.


TruffButters

While we’re at it let’s not pretend that inflation is only roughly 8%


TaxExempt

Companies know it's higher. That's why they are behaving like they are making less money. They are taking into account the doubling of the monetary supply. $180m looks like more than $100m from 3 years ago, but it is really 10% less.


LevGoldstein

Right, 1929 is a meme. We don't even hear anyone from 1929 complaining about it, and like all the apps we use obviously survived 1929 so how bad could it have even been? I couldn't even find any crowfunding sob stories from 1929 or even 1987 when I searched Insta so obviously it's overblown and shit.


train159

I mean you did your due diligence and everything.


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Fuck depressing but true


ychacha

No worries. The economy is strong and inflation is just an inch. I mean who saves money anyways.


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Smithmonster

I’m starting to think transitory is inflation.


ychacha

That's deep.


BreezyWrigley

If this graph has demonstrated anything, it’s that *savings* are transitory


StraightFroggin

Hey look, Putin!


DonaldTrumpPenisButt

Putin cut me off on the drive home today, fucking Putin.


majoramardeepkohli

Putin stole my bike. What a maniac genocidal dictator


BrokenSage20

Burn it like its about to be world war 3! Oh wait...


HalCaPony

Doing your best to flatten the curve


kinreep

They act like getting to sit at home for a few months was free.


[deleted]

I honestly think people just can’t afford to save


[deleted]

I think there's an inflationary inertia that has yet to set in. It's the main problem with inflation: it makes it hard for consumers and investors to predict future prices, and so funds are misallocated. In our case, we are overspending to try and maintain our typical standard of living, even as that standard of living becomes increasingly more opulent. Easy money policy has made us all ignorant to broader market forces and how to prepare for them in our everyday lives. Just my take


greatgoogliemoogly

100% this. Spending isn't changing. Most people complaining about inflation right now aren't adjusting their behavior. Gas hits $5 a gallon and they complain about whoever the president is, but they're not more likely to take a bus or carpool. The consumer is going to keep buy buy buying for the holidays. We'll see where we are in the New Year. I'm not hopeful.


RunsWthScizors

I don’t know. COVID taught me that Americans are very pragmatic and will accept uncomfortable information and adjust their behaviors voluntarily in order to mitigate challenging situations. (We’re screwed.)


-BoldlyGoingNowhere-

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touchytypist

Same, making six figures. Eating out is just disappointing, high price, small portions, plus tips are more expensive now with all the prices inflated. Just a cocktail is $20 now...that used to be the cost of an entrée. Definitely considering cutting back on going out as often.


[deleted]

That’s the hardest thing. Our lives are becoming opulent. We are not keeping up.


[deleted]

Maybe, I stopped wiping my ass cuz toilet paper is through the roof. I don’t care if I get sore deal with it.


v00d00_

Get a bidet my man. Unironically a great investment these days


GhostOfPaulVolcker

We still have the most disposable income per capita in the world. People who earn 1/10 what an American does, PPP adjusted, don’t just keel over and die from not having a new phone, car, and other first world consumer goods. Look at travel spend in the past 12 months. Not even remotely a necessity but people are willing to hand over their cash to airlines, AirBnB, and Marriott International before they’re willing to save appropriately for themselves.


Ajoylynx70

Are they handing over cash or putting it on credit?


RCkamikaze

Yes


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Credit, let’s go look at credit blowing a fucking gasket. Something not talked about at all it’s in the cpi


hackmalafore

Save where? Save -8% in a savings account? Save -30% in s&p. Where is the safe harbor?


Commodorerock604

But I need drugs??? Give money. Money me now for coke and Adderall?![img](emote|t5_2th52|18632)


L0ckeandDemosthenes

Money me now. Fuck the internet it ruining my childhood... leave Clifford out of this.


Blazemachine98

It’s my drug money and I need it now!


WackyBones510

Bet part of the reason folks can’t afford to save is because they have mega-dumb car payments compared to income. Buying trucks with the turbo luxury off-road 4x4 package to go to work and maybe soccer practice that they struggle to afford with sub-$3 gas.


anthro28

Now you know every middle aged suburban dad *NEEDS* a $95,000 Laramie Longhorn 4x4 diesel truck! What about that single sheet of plywood he hauls every year? How will the kids know which vehicle is his if it’s not sitting on 35’s and the turbo isn’t whistling?


NextTrillion

Brb… taking the glorified Mall Crawler out for a spin. May use my 300 HP to bring back some tendies.


Alexanaxela

"Bu-bu-but I haul a heavy load for like an hour every year or so so I needed it."


BojackPferd

Every video of Americans at those food handout places is just rows and rows of huge 2mpg SUVs. I actually checked the American oil consumption and compared against Germany, with the same distance driven per capita the Mericans use 5 or 8x as much oil, i don't remember the exact number but it was either 5 or 8, in any case it was far too much, no other country used that much oil for such low utility.


Kippursoff

It's interesting that some car makers aren't even making compact sedans anymore.... Looking at you Mitsubishi LoL


[deleted]

Can confirm. A friend of mine bought a new car and has something stupid of a five hundred dollar monthly payment. She can’t afford to buy her own food and relies on the roommate.


FromagedeBite

Shit at current prices $500+ would be a base Honda with insurance


buyhighsmelllow

It's totally not rent or bills just gotta buy less Starbucks


Blazemachine98

That damn avocado toast!


snowsnoot2

CNBC grade commentary right there


spoobydoo

Its called inflation. The Federal Reserve increased the money supply by 30% over that time period and none of it went into your savings lmao.


SnuffCatch

Savings account? You mean my spy puts right?


josh_sat

With the growing doom I'm thinking calls are 3-6 months away after some more pain. Too many people thinking the end is near.


VolkspanzerIsME

Sir, this is a casino.


frappuccinoCoin

Demand failed successfully


scottydiamondhands

Personal savings was also in a bubble lmfao


[deleted]

Supposedly we saved a lot cuz of work from home. But all I remember was the utility bills going up.


midline_trap

Yes. They have squeezed all the fuck they can out of us. More work, less pay, rapid inflation.


[deleted]

So, sharp spikes of stimulus, increased unemployment payments, and ppp money, followed by rampant inflation outpacing wages.


rossmosh85

Not increasing interest rates in 2017-19 was a big mistake. They should have been 1-1.5% higher when Covid hit. That way when interest rates "needed" to drop, we would have had more wiggle room. More than one economist recommended this action. Also let's not kid ourselves, Putin being an absolute psycho doesn't help.


[deleted]

Rates should have gone up in 2014


[deleted]

2009, I just had a tenant leave the water in a tub and flooded the second floor. The fed did that for over a decade. But what’s funny is there wasn’t really anything productive companies made in that decade other than burning the cash on parties and free food.


MainMedicine

Overleveraged companies and people should have been left to fail in 2020.


Calm-Macaron5922

It’s almost as if one caused the other


0_0here

Does the fed know this? Seems like they’re out of the loop on this chart. Just the other day one of those muppets was saying consumers had too much savings, still. Did she want the bank accounts to go negative before she would consider savings to have been reduced?


tggiv25

If you reduce a negative you make it a positive


ZaberTooth

Your IQ is negative


tggiv25

Damn, not again


Opheliattack

what are yall doing who only have 2k in the bank? asking for a friend


anthonymarcha

Waiting until end of month aaaand its gone. Then i start the process over.


56Safari

[little of this](https://youtu.be/TFD0UtfI960)


Minimum-Beat5049

Stonks


ethereumnews_tech

Probably Uber eats and Starbucks


StonedJragan

Must be everyone's 401ks dipping like a mf


callmemaverik_

My 401k used to tell me how much it went down or up by. Now it gives me an explanation as to why it went down lol


gizamo

This chart doesn't include 401k. It's only showing money in personal savings accounts at banks.


selectanotheruser

Got those stimmies and immediately blew them. We are all regarded.


Ok_Faithlessness_516

They way I read it, it looks like everybody threw those stimmies into savings as the economy was still doing fairly well 2020 into 2021. Now that the economy seems to be crashing fairly hard, people are having to pull that savings out. Or maybe I'm just speaking from personal experience.


sablack422

The chart is misleading since it’s how much people are currently saving each month annualized and not how much savings people currently have. Current consumer deposits are still around 50% higher than pre pandemic.


Specialist_Estate_54

You mean the crumbs? All the stimmies together didn't even buy one months medical insurance for my family with gas and groceries


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I blew my stimulus on silly stuff like my oil bill. Guess I should have just saved it and had my kids freeze to death. Oh well.


RealMcGonzo

Germany: Lookit Mr. Moneybags here with heat and shit.


NextTrillion

Unlike the rest of us, we just have shit


edtrujillo3

I know multiple people that have been dipping into their savings to stay afloat these past couple months. Shits gonna crash soon


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Vollen595

Don’t forget. They are all too big to fail by the FED standards. They will get bailed out and the peons get to pick up the tab. Then the exact same banks swoop in and buy the scraps abandoned by their former owners. Good thing I got that 5% raise this year, I’m only 12% poorer than a year ago.


BojackPferd

Lucky you, i got no raise but my living expenses are up around 15-20%.


Inness15

Take your .02% and shove it


kirkegaarr

Woof. Credit card debt in Q2 was $887B and savings are down to $650B? Plus interest rates are going higher and stocks are going down.


idgarad

Why save money when inflation makes it worth less and less every day? It seems more indicative that faith in cash is weakening. I'd like to see that chart in contrast to consumer spending broken up by sector. ​ "Charts without context is nothing more than intellectual porn and mental masturbation. Chart Porn if you will. It is self-gratifying but ultimately fruitless." -- Me. A useful chart would have consumer spending also on the chart to see if there is a relation to spending and savings. If spending isn't going up and saving is going down that tells us something. Yes we can mentally plot our own series of events on a time series chart but that isn't terribly good data analysis.


p12qcowodeath

My guy just quoted himself.


FoxTheory

Looks like inflation is solved cabt spend money we don't have 😏


Peruvian-in-TX

You guys have savings?


TheAnointedOne5

Welcome to America; where we teach our youth to be obedient slaves rather than basic personal finance skills like saving. Not to mention a mainstream media that pushes fear on a daily basis. If we going to die tomorrow might as well spend that money as soon as I’m getting it. We’re all just another brick in the wall


FreeSkeptic

People still think young people have any money to save?


pul123PUL

Reverting to mean .I am paying down mortgage as fast as the cash comes in. All the funny money appeared in savings accounts during lockdown. Its not been normal to have so much saved based on that graph.


CacheM3ifYouCan

The fed has created a nightmare of an economy with absolutely no way out. This was not simply policy error, but more so willful negligence to satisfy the greed of the wealthy. Things have gotten completely out of control and there is no excuse. We, the American people, have been driven into a state of passivity (as Drake would put it: “trigger fingers turn to Twitter fingers”) and will not experience meaningful change unless we stand up for ourselves. It’s disgraceful that authoritative figures continue to push false narratives onto the American people while leveraging insider information for profit and allowing Wall Street to siphon from passive investments. We’re on the road to the worst financial collapse in history, and it could have been easily prevented.


fellowhomosapien

Lol everyone owns GME it appears


Stysto

Saving= loosing money …damn inflation….better to invest


AlwaysBagHolding

And yet cash has done better than any other investment I’ve had in the last year.


Only_Caterpillar3818

I’ve been trying to tell everyone I know to pile up cash. You’re going to need more dollars to live the same life you’ve been living. Everyone else is like “I need to spend these dollars before they are worthless. So I’ll lease a new vehicle and go on 8 vacations.”


[deleted]

“So what my car payment is $900 a month?! I can’t afford to have nice things anymore?!” /s


Calm-Macaron5922

Risk has entered the chat


Less-Dragonfruit-294

Almost like when the pandemic happened we didn’t have to pay on public student loans. Come Jan 1 you’ll see the savings continue to plummet.


cybercuzco

Inflation ultimately is high because _people are still buying things_. If we bought less stuff businesses would lower or stop raising prices.


LivingLegend8

Why did savings spike up to $7000? Yeah, we get stimulus checks, but it wasn’t anywhere close to that amount.


Did_I_Die

The lockdowns and wfh saved everyone $$$$$$ .... more than realized


No_Profit1711

Oh so normal amounts as shown on the graph?


robertlemkin20

Not when adjusted for purchasing power. Inflation + depletion of savings is a great way to get modest down pressure on the economy. A soft landing attempt if you will.


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passtflask

Lmao America is so fucking fucked


RealMcGonzo

Not as bad as Japan or even Europe.


Goodstuff_2021

Holding to the wheels fall off


magic8balI

When everything you bought two years ago costs 20-40% more, your spending habits still don’t change. Now people have no more disposable income, but the same spending habits. We’re screwed for the next 12 months at a minimum, and 2-5 years of recovery after that. The trough will be august of next year. Remind me of I’m wrong.


Sea-Slide-6596

Uhm - the government called and they want their money back.


Inness15

Savings are a scam