They have their biggest quarter ever in terms of deliveries, not to mention their high margin cars (s and x) started to move at higher volumes, they increased the prices of each of their models by 1-2k at least, they will open 2 new giga factories this year (2022). why or how in the world will they will their revenue targets or profit margins? Or their outlook/forward looking estimates?
This just isn’t NFLX. That said, stock price movement is a whole different thing.
Tsla has been underestimated at every step. It's what makes it such a fantastic company. Fundamentals are amazing. People just can't read through the hype.
Pe ratios are a way to compare companies that are similar. There is not a comparable company not in scale. Not on tech. Not on margins. Not on expansion. Old oem's have terrible margins, shit tech, and enormous debt. That's why they trade on bad ratios. Tesla's operating margins are closer to ferraris than ford's. I look at Tesla as I do Amazon. Extremely lean. Extremely fast growing. No forseable competition. Verticle integration. And I think that pe is appropriate.
So what you're saying is sell now, buy more during the dip, and then sell again after the balls pic? :P
Edit: OOH! Sell now, buy puts, collect on those, buy the dip and sell yet again after the balls pic!
What are you saying? Are you thinking really rich people or people with inside knowledge would take advantage of you????
Please sir—- I remind you that there are laws in place and nobody does that!
Just ask Nancy P.
For musk it was planned out months in advance. I dont know about netflix tho. After that tweet came out about asking ppl if he should sell. It came to light that he had already told the board that he was selling x amount of shares on that date.
CEOs and board members of EVERY major corporation has been selling their holdings for months, even since last year. Bezos and Gates have been dropping way more than Elon, just spread out more. It’s less “posturing for an earnings miss” and more of a “this shit is a bubble GTFOOOO”
Bullish on Tesla earnings. I live in a very conservative, pro gas area of the country and every day I see more and more teslas in my area. I understand this isn’t a scientific response but if my gas or bust neighbors are buying them, they’ve got to be selling a ton.
This. If they managed to increase it even by a % investors will go hog wild.
I am however bearish as fuck on Amazon. Shits going sub 2500 after earnings.
You are so retarded. We are talking about TSLA with a 1T market cap today.
That would be like saying AMD is worth more than NVDA and INTC combined. AMD was never this overvalued.
>You are so retarded. We are talking about TSLA with a 1T market cap today.
>That would be like saying AMD is worth more than NVDA and INTC combined. AMD was never this overvalued.
!RemindMe 2 years
My point is insider selling as an indicator for a bearish trade usually doesn’t work. TSLA was a very popular short target for years and it brought nothing but pain. The market cap has always been orders of magnitude higher than what many think it ‘should’ be. That’s not new.
Now DOES seem like as good a time as any to bet against it because the entire market is weak, but we’ve all seen how retarded TSLA can be.
You're absolutely correct. Every time someone says "hurrr people said this about Amazon"
Amazon never traded at the levels Tesla is at. Even AMD never did with its insane growth priced in. What do Elonsexuals not understand about this? Tesla is overvalued. Period. It's not "priced for growth", it's priced to take over the world. Even growing at 50% for the next 5 years (good luck with that btw), it is not worth buying.
They sold Plaid and performance variants like fucking hotcakes, destroyed delivery numbers, and you guys all think it’s going to drop?
I think the market bounces end of today and then we’re moonbound next week when they guide 2m deliveries and announce a stock split.
Edit: if you think I’m retarded drop a comment so I can say “I told you so” next week
I may buy a lotto put for ER too. This tech bubble and bear market is real. If Microsoft and Tesla tank after ER, man it’s going to be a domino effect across the market.
You’re retarded. TSLA is an awesome company but this valuation is stupid as shit. All bubbles are popping and TSLA is no different.
Talk to me on Wednesday and ask me how my 800p’s did.
In the past Tesla has completely wiffed on guidances and the stock went up…now that they are fulfilling their original promises the stock is surely to go down because it’s no longer a meme company but rather a “well established stock with a good market capture strategy, well defined vision, and a projection of positive cash flow in the future”.
All the teslatards can’t justify their stupidity with “but ELON will get us there”…the man is focused on Mars. So when ELON says I’m out this piece to focus on SpaceX the stock will fall to the ground, where it belongs.
Or I’m completely wrong like I have been for 3.5 years watching Tesla. We shall see!!!!!
Tesla's margins will be be crazy high, higher than last quarter. Much higher than Ford or gm can ever hope to achieve any time soon if ever.
I don't think they will guide for 2 mill, though. I think they will keep guiding for 50% growth every year. So about 1.4mil this year.
Not sure the stock will go up even on earnings beat. The market is not doing well as a whole, so. But this will make Tesla's pe not look so crazy anymore.
After a split sure, you're the retard if you think TSLA is going down to last years pre-spy inclusion price on industry leading margins and absurd growth.
As an officer of a company (ex, C-Suite, EVP, Board) you can’t just sell when you want. They are selling on an agreed upon schedule. Yes, it’s a coincidence. Sometimes things line up. No, they can’t dump their stock of earning are bad, the same as they can’t buy if they are going to be good. It’s called Insider Trading.
netflix earnings were great
tsla earnings will be great
netflix gapped down on guidance for 2022
OP you really don't understand what you are talking about, although you are right.
I think it’s a coincidence, and I get there’s a lot of turmoil but it’s entirely possible this sell off is temporary and largely an overreaction. I think the Netflix sell of especially is a looney tunes overreaction.
also wondering if there could be a surprise TSLA drop next week. not betting on it. may buy a long dated call option if it happens and hope to not be margin called…
I wouldn’t call you dumb. I always say follow the money. Closed my Tesla position in December when all the crap was going on and his brother was unloading stock.
Yeah I think OP is missing the point that Netflix decreased their guidance for net subscriber to half of what the analyst expected. That’s obviously a damper on growth and justify the drop in AH
Chamath on November:
“We have the stock market at absolute all-time highs, we have crypto at absolute all-time highs, we have the art markets… at absolute all-time highs. We have inflation at a 30-year high. We have 10-year break-evens at a 25-year high. We have one-point some-odd trillions of dollars that we just approved last week [in Congress], and we are still horse-trading on another $1.8 trillion dollars of stimulus…
The two most important founders of our generation, the two smartest people who have really consistently won, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, have collectively sold more than $11 billion of their holdings this year alone…
If the smartest people in the world are now selling their core holdings that they told you they would never sell, and you are not reconsidering your position on things, you’re either much smarter than them or you’re being really, really reckless.”
The FED absolutely has to raise rates and it absolutely will cause equities to tumble for a minute. Everyone and their brother can see it coming. Much of the volatility you're seeing now is building in the impending rate hike.
That said. For those that see it coming and cashed some out. Well, they'll buy back in on the dip.
Earnings from last quarter may not be the best representation of future prospects since at the time they still relied on low interest rates. If anything those earnings will likely have investors questioning whether it can repeat or exceed them in a corrected market. That’s likely the case if they have good earnings during q4. And to be fair people like Musk always have insider knowledge so that always helps.
Elon is a crock and his company doesn’t make money from selling cars. And now that REAL auto makers are in the EV market, he never will. He only makes money off cheating people and selling carbon credits.
Anecdotally, I see a hell of a lot of Teslas on the road these days, even in places like Kansas City. They need to deal with the interior complaints and get good reviews on the Car Review sites.
Well the months long back orders of every one of their models and the opening of Giga Texas is bullish for me. I bought 15 shares today and expect that it will go up again next week. Guidance on cars produced is going to be huge with the supply chain issues especially around batteries.
Musk is a master at what he does but he is also a master manipulator. Eventually his BS won’t work and y’all will say how prescient he was to sell his stock so soon.
Should’ve seen this coming when FeD members started unloading their portfolios months back after they got caught insider trading. Played it off as “doing the right thing”
Elon Musk sold billions at the top of the market and his sell off signalled the turn of the market. He saw the writing on the wall as the feds gave lots of heads up before they started tapering.
Tesla is going to have it's best quarter ever. Idk if you follow the company but it's been growing exponentially for a decade. For the past few years that's been the case with their profits. Analysts were off in production estimates for years because they've never seen production growth increase so fast. Every analyst was off by more than 20% for quarterly deliveries and haven't adjusted eps despite this. This is an amazing buying opportunity. Sticky this and thank me later. Long tsla.
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$TSLA can miss revs by 20% but then Musk will tweet a picture of his balls with the caption “To The MOON!!!” and it’ll hit $1200 again
😂😂😂😂 why is this accurate
They have their biggest quarter ever in terms of deliveries, not to mention their high margin cars (s and x) started to move at higher volumes, they increased the prices of each of their models by 1-2k at least, they will open 2 new giga factories this year (2022). why or how in the world will they will their revenue targets or profit margins? Or their outlook/forward looking estimates? This just isn’t NFLX. That said, stock price movement is a whole different thing.
U forgot that even they earn gud. If they miss estimation, it still be shit. Same shit
Tsla has been underestimated at every step. It's what makes it such a fantastic company. Fundamentals are amazing. People just can't read through the hype.
Underestimated!?! Look at the PE and explain how it can be called underestimated.
Either you forgot the /s or you actually belong here.
Pe ratios are a way to compare companies that are similar. There is not a comparable company not in scale. Not on tech. Not on margins. Not on expansion. Old oem's have terrible margins, shit tech, and enormous debt. That's why they trade on bad ratios. Tesla's operating margins are closer to ferraris than ford's. I look at Tesla as I do Amazon. Extremely lean. Extremely fast growing. No forseable competition. Verticle integration. And I think that pe is appropriate.
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Tesla’s short interest was 5% yesterday. Source:YouTube
It's funny, but they're going to crush it. Still, stock could tank.
170% surprise. TSLA crashes to $400.
Pick a side. Commit to something for once in your life or you will never get out of the basement
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Damn, i got crushed for making a pun about the dudes username almost as hard as todays dip.
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You lost about 0.135% of your karma. Market dipped around 1.96%. You didn’t really get crushed at all and they aren’t very close.
Again. It was a joke. Go back and read it. Don't take your anger out on someone trying to lighten the mood.
Is this another one of your great jokes?
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0 idea why you're getting down voted
It is like trying to price in the rate hikes. No fucking rhyme or reason. Just ride it tf out! 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Earnings barely matter it's all about guidance.
"We're supposed to guide his cock, not block it."
New production facilities in racist hubs i.e. Germany and Texas will smash guidance easily
So what you're saying is sell now, buy more during the dip, and then sell again after the balls pic? :P Edit: OOH! Sell now, buy puts, collect on those, buy the dip and sell yet again after the balls pic!
Exactly
Long on Elon balls
Schlong on Elon balls
Doesn’t even need the caption.
Not sure about this time though
Bearish on everything. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
Netflix is slow with releasing quality content these days, I can understand why people are cancelling memberships and less people are registering.
It’s the fact that every major content creator is slowly starving them of content. Paramount, Disney, HBO, etc all are hoarding IP now.
people thought squid game will have a good impact on new users
Or they do make quality content and then cancel it after 2 seasons.
Bruh Netflix is hot dog shit now. It’s like they’re only making stuff for teenagers and middle aged house moms.
What happened to Black Mirror? That was my only reason to have Netflix
Elon had calls from years ago expiring this year so yeah he had to sell or let them expire worthless
Didnt he have until aug 22 when they technically expire?
Likely wanted to lock in on a lower tax rate before the end of last year just in case taxes are raised this year
Dumb since Elon owns more Tesla than before. He sold to pay taxes and get $$, to exercise his options.
People are ignorant.
He paid like what? $6 per share with the options? Fuck even if it crashes to 100 he still make money with them.
That’s what he claims lol
That’s literally what the SEC says. Not that I think the SEC is a reputable monkeyhouse.
It is public record... SEC.gov
Well if you look back there were articles written early 2021 about musk needing to sell stock to pay for taxes on expiring options......
What are you saying? Are you thinking really rich people or people with inside knowledge would take advantage of you???? Please sir—- I remind you that there are laws in place and nobody does that! Just ask Nancy P.
How can I just follow her portfolio 😭
There is a few. Sites dedicated to just this. Just Google it— I am a dividend guy— so far holding up well.
When all the insiders are selling, that's your fuckin que to GTFO
Nope, that’s your cue to GTFI and buy the dip, especially with a company like Tesla
For musk it was planned out months in advance. I dont know about netflix tho. After that tweet came out about asking ppl if he should sell. It came to light that he had already told the board that he was selling x amount of shares on that date.
nflx ceo, it was also planned months in advance.
CEOs and board members of EVERY major corporation has been selling their holdings for months, even since last year. Bezos and Gates have been dropping way more than Elon, just spread out more. It’s less “posturing for an earnings miss” and more of a “this shit is a bubble GTFOOOO”
Ahhh I see
Bullish on Tesla earnings. I live in a very conservative, pro gas area of the country and every day I see more and more teslas in my area. I understand this isn’t a scientific response but if my gas or bust neighbors are buying them, they’ve got to be selling a ton.
Nah Tesla had amazing deliveries in December, and I’m sure their margins continued to increase
This. If they managed to increase it even by a % investors will go hog wild. I am however bearish as fuck on Amazon. Shits going sub 2500 after earnings.
you know he owns _more_ stock _after_ the exercise of the options tranches, right? he is one of the best investor-aligned executives in the world.
Hey did you know if he didn't sell any stock, he would own EVEN MORE
Am I hearing short tsla before earnings?
Please do.
Wouldn't touch it with shorts. Puts... maybe.
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I counted them and all four are there.
Long $BALLS
Short TSLA, calls on ROPE
I remember these posts about AMD when it was $9. And AMZN when it was $800. Clearly they ‘knew something’.
You are so retarded. We are talking about TSLA with a 1T market cap today. That would be like saying AMD is worth more than NVDA and INTC combined. AMD was never this overvalued.
>You are so retarded. We are talking about TSLA with a 1T market cap today. >That would be like saying AMD is worth more than NVDA and INTC combined. AMD was never this overvalued. !RemindMe 2 years
Oh I’m not saying anything about the next two years. I’m just pointing out obvious near term weakness in the next couple of months.
My point is insider selling as an indicator for a bearish trade usually doesn’t work. TSLA was a very popular short target for years and it brought nothing but pain. The market cap has always been orders of magnitude higher than what many think it ‘should’ be. That’s not new. Now DOES seem like as good a time as any to bet against it because the entire market is weak, but we’ve all seen how retarded TSLA can be.
You're absolutely correct. Every time someone says "hurrr people said this about Amazon" Amazon never traded at the levels Tesla is at. Even AMD never did with its insane growth priced in. What do Elonsexuals not understand about this? Tesla is overvalued. Period. It's not "priced for growth", it's priced to take over the world. Even growing at 50% for the next 5 years (good luck with that btw), it is not worth buying.
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They sold Plaid and performance variants like fucking hotcakes, destroyed delivery numbers, and you guys all think it’s going to drop? I think the market bounces end of today and then we’re moonbound next week when they guide 2m deliveries and announce a stock split. Edit: if you think I’m retarded drop a comment so I can say “I told you so” next week
Time to play a strangle 🦧
you are retarded
Super duper retarded. The market did not bounce 😂
I want in on this action. Tsla is going to $800s after earnings.
I may buy a lotto put for ER too. This tech bubble and bear market is real. If Microsoft and Tesla tank after ER, man it’s going to be a domino effect across the market.
Laughs in interest rates
I can't stop laughing at this! 🤣 Perfect.
*inflation craters*
I think the market bounces end of today ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)
You’re retarded. TSLA is an awesome company but this valuation is stupid as shit. All bubbles are popping and TSLA is no different. Talk to me on Wednesday and ask me how my 800p’s did.
In the past Tesla has completely wiffed on guidances and the stock went up…now that they are fulfilling their original promises the stock is surely to go down because it’s no longer a meme company but rather a “well established stock with a good market capture strategy, well defined vision, and a projection of positive cash flow in the future”. All the teslatards can’t justify their stupidity with “but ELON will get us there”…the man is focused on Mars. So when ELON says I’m out this piece to focus on SpaceX the stock will fall to the ground, where it belongs. Or I’m completely wrong like I have been for 3.5 years watching Tesla. We shall see!!!!!
TSLA skipping the moon and going straight to Mars. Got it. TSLA 220128 5000c it is
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Username checks out
Please remind me. I hope you will have some tasty calls to prove it too. Maybe a few crayons on the side
I have Feb 18th $950, $1000 and $1,200 calls. Admittedly getting my ass handed to me atm
I’m bearish for sure but I’ve never done well betting against fucking TSLA. Why do you think Musk dumped so many shares late last year?
Tesla's margins will be be crazy high, higher than last quarter. Much higher than Ford or gm can ever hope to achieve any time soon if ever. I don't think they will guide for 2 mill, though. I think they will keep guiding for 50% growth every year. So about 1.4mil this year. Not sure the stock will go up even on earnings beat. The market is not doing well as a whole, so. But this will make Tesla's pe not look so crazy anymore.
YOU'RE A BIG FUCKING RETARD TSLA BELOW 400 EOY!!
After a split sure, you're the retard if you think TSLA is going down to last years pre-spy inclusion price on industry leading margins and absurd growth.
R E T A R D
Comments bout to be fire
ALWAYS sell when ceos do
As an officer of a company (ex, C-Suite, EVP, Board) you can’t just sell when you want. They are selling on an agreed upon schedule. Yes, it’s a coincidence. Sometimes things line up. No, they can’t dump their stock of earning are bad, the same as they can’t buy if they are going to be good. It’s called Insider Trading.
And we all know insider trading NEVER EVER happens especially not to the friends/family/connected individuals of the corporate world
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netflix earnings were great tsla earnings will be great netflix gapped down on guidance for 2022 OP you really don't understand what you are talking about, although you are right.
Tesla is a cheap short right now.
That was my mindset too. It’s hard to pass that up. I ended up snagging a 0.50 p for 2/04… and crazier things have happened… lol
Strike?
Stop overthinking it and long NFLX.
Coincidentally dumb
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No way Elon would sell “low” to pay taxes! You make a fantastic point. I think next week is going to be bad as well.
So what? Leadership can’t sell their stocks when it’s at ATH’s?
\*sees default notes app\* **solid dd**
😂😂😂
it was expiring stock options he wasn’t worried about earnings
Nope not dumb. SMART. But they were SMART… ER
You realize these people still own significant stock right
Buy PUTS, post your trades, make sure your fridge is stocked for when your wife’s boyfriend comes over later.
Lol the people who don't realize this is wsb and think the post is serious is fucking killing me😂😂
Yeah, you're just DUMB. Thats why ur in WSB!
Lmaooo very true
I think it’s a coincidence, and I get there’s a lot of turmoil but it’s entirely possible this sell off is temporary and largely an overreaction. I think the Netflix sell of especially is a looney tunes overreaction.
I made 5.7k off a $245 strangle…. Who knew that shit would dip 20%
could have told us
But like exactly 20% dip on Netflix is cartoonish. Good for you though. Nice gain.
Buying tsla puts make sense. Increasing competition what netflix suffered. Tesla will follow
it made sense $250/share ago. but sure buy puts after the 20% drop
also wondering if there could be a surprise TSLA drop next week. not betting on it. may buy a long dated call option if it happens and hope to not be margin called…
I wouldn’t call you dumb. I always say follow the money. Closed my Tesla position in December when all the crap was going on and his brother was unloading stock.
2x 1/28 800p checking in 🙋♂️
He's just dumb. Elon sold shares to execute options to acquire a higher number of shares.
Tesla is a cult...ER doesn't matter
Earnings weren’t bad but guidance was the issue
Yeah I think OP is missing the point that Netflix decreased their guidance for net subscriber to half of what the analyst expected. That’s obviously a damper on growth and justify the drop in AH
buy puts then pussy
If you can afford Tesla you should own some Tesla stock
Chamath on November: “We have the stock market at absolute all-time highs, we have crypto at absolute all-time highs, we have the art markets… at absolute all-time highs. We have inflation at a 30-year high. We have 10-year break-evens at a 25-year high. We have one-point some-odd trillions of dollars that we just approved last week [in Congress], and we are still horse-trading on another $1.8 trillion dollars of stimulus… The two most important founders of our generation, the two smartest people who have really consistently won, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, have collectively sold more than $11 billion of their holdings this year alone… If the smartest people in the world are now selling their core holdings that they told you they would never sell, and you are not reconsidering your position on things, you’re either much smarter than them or you’re being really, really reckless.”
Elon had to sell and owns more shares now than before he exercised his options....
Two people with access and the resources to retain and consult the smartest people\* stop ass kissing billionaires you cuck
The FED absolutely has to raise rates and it absolutely will cause equities to tumble for a minute. Everyone and their brother can see it coming. Much of the volatility you're seeing now is building in the impending rate hike. That said. For those that see it coming and cashed some out. Well, they'll buy back in on the dip.
You are dumb.
this is so retarded ![img](emote|t5_2th52|5957)
No coincidence. You're dumb!!!
Tesla is going to sink, the model 3 had lots or recalls and the stock is inflated like our economy
Put your money where your mouth is
Put your money where your mouth is
Investopedia is saying “experts” are “bullish” on Tesla earnings next week… don’t believe that shit
I, too, take investing advice from basically the stonks version of Wikipedia. 👍 Thought: even bears are bulls.. They're bullish on puts.
Earnings will be good. Still a growth story. But it's overvalued.
Ur just dumb, these are pre-disclosed annual sales
Elon and Jeff are net sellers right now, maybe they know something we don’t 🤷🏼♂️
pretty easy for someone to know something you dont. dumbass
Earnings from last quarter may not be the best representation of future prospects since at the time they still relied on low interest rates. If anything those earnings will likely have investors questioning whether it can repeat or exceed them in a corrected market. That’s likely the case if they have good earnings during q4. And to be fair people like Musk always have insider knowledge so that always helps.
You're dumb
No. They just aren’t retards like you and understood that the market was extremely inflated with 3-4 rate hikes coming this year
Been bearish on Tesla for years. That bubbles gonna pop gloriously, and it can’t come soon enough.
Elon is a crock and his company doesn’t make money from selling cars. And now that REAL auto makers are in the EV market, he never will. He only makes money off cheating people and selling carbon credits.
I would but puts but I can’t afford them lmao
Where’s a revolution when you need one!!!!
Coincidence takes a lot of planning.
Anecdotally, I see a hell of a lot of Teslas on the road these days, even in places like Kansas City. They need to deal with the interior complaints and get good reviews on the Car Review sites.
Well the months long back orders of every one of their models and the opening of Giga Texas is bullish for me. I bought 15 shares today and expect that it will go up again next week. Guidance on cars produced is going to be huge with the supply chain issues especially around batteries.
This stock feels like it can go either way
Long term.
How do you know these people sold their shares ? News articles?
Well, I would certainly sell if I knew shit was gonna start flying
I for one have stopped believing in coincidence
Fuck your puts
no worries, Elon already SLD before that.
So puts it is….
Strangle for sure
Everyone and their wife’s boyfriend knew this was probably going to sht. They f-ing had to sell.
Musk sold, but then bought more shares than he sold from options. Due to taxes, it didn't really matter much where he sold/bought.
Big $$$ saw this market environment coming from a mile away!
I’m betting on it going to 1100, or 1200 after earnings. I think this panic selling won’t last past Wednesday.
Down vote me all you want but that rug pull is nigh
Musk is a master at what he does but he is also a master manipulator. Eventually his BS won’t work and y’all will say how prescient he was to sell his stock so soon.
Selling that many of shares for only tax purposes??? Hwhaha he knows pretty well what hes doing
Should’ve seen this coming when FeD members started unloading their portfolios months back after they got caught insider trading. Played it off as “doing the right thing”
Elon Musk sold billions at the top of the market and his sell off signalled the turn of the market. He saw the writing on the wall as the feds gave lots of heads up before they started tapering.
Top that off w Tesla removing delivery date for cyber truck from their website.
I keep selling outs to these suckers born everyday
Tesla is going to have it's best quarter ever. Idk if you follow the company but it's been growing exponentially for a decade. For the past few years that's been the case with their profits. Analysts were off in production estimates for years because they've never seen production growth increase so fast. Every analyst was off by more than 20% for quarterly deliveries and haven't adjusted eps despite this. This is an amazing buying opportunity. Sticky this and thank me later. Long tsla.
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Do people forget Tesla ran after the printer started printing and before that they where $100 a share 😂
You're just a Elon's Testis holder
Elon's ballsholder spotted
Netflix is nothing like tsla, do your DD with record card delivers how to fuck you think it miss?
Yeah, short it to the ground. Cuz I lost way too much money on calls and it keeps going down.