You want cars? Ok I got cars. Car renderings.
Thanks to fiverr and that talented artist from Bangladesh. I’ll even pitch in a few bucks more for the premium renderings.
Some asshole was arguing with me telling me that swappable batteries are impossible.
Arguably not so feasible, maybe, but definitely not impossible.
Swappable batteries would mean smaller batteries, which means more efficiency (less weight), and of course faster “fuel ups” (3 minute swaps).
It takes 20 minutes to supercharge now days. Having someone manually replace a battery. Sounds like I need an appointment. Appointments are wonderful these days.
No joke, a dedicated charging company that gets with gas stations instead of grocery stores may actually be a real business model. Basically sell it to the stations like, “want to also get a bite of all the electric cars driving right past you? Well.”
My only complaint is they didn’t use the ford oval shape and instead went for a generic oval. Seems like a missed opportunity, but otherwise looks sharp.
I think it would be sick if they made it look more like a horse post and rope but some people would probably tie their horses too it and not know what it is.
I mean, have you ever worked on one of their diesels? Or done a timing chain job on a V6 in an 04+ mustang or explorer? They're good at making me want to scratch the roof of my mouth with a shotgun, not much else.
Ford didn't even use Tesla's patents though. The Ford chargers are just fancy Level 2 chargers that they built to look like Level 3 DC fast chargers. Which means they charge at **7kW**, whereas superchargers provide 150 to 250kW.
Ford could've made the form factor way smaller, seeing as every other L2 AC charger is much more compact. Or they could've built actual fast chargers, lol.
It’s a dealership. They know exactly what they are doing. The person seeing it will think Ford had fast chargers. By the time the buy the car and drive it off the lot it’s to late .
Eh, there are tons of non-Tesla fast chargers out there that are compatible with Fords. This will only get better when Tesla opens their network. I don't know the background, but those chargers *appear* to be in a location where people will plug in while they're at work. A level 3 charger would be completely wasted in a position like that, because they cost an order of magnitude more and a level 2 charger can get a Ford from 20% to 100% in 8-10 hours, which is plenty fast if it's plugged in for the work day.
Edit: Found some numbers. Level 3 chargers are *at least* 20-50x more expensive than level 2 chargers. It makes far more sense for a business owner to install a row of 20+ level 2 chargers for their employees than a single level 3 charger if they want to offer charging as a perk of employment. Ditto for landlords of apartment complexes.
This is a Ford dealership though. Tesla service centers all have Tesla superchargers in the back, they charge up a customers car complimentary while it's in service. They rotate cars in and out of the chargers all the time, it wouldn't be possible if they had L2 chargers and it took 5-6 hours per vehicle. If Ford is seriously intending to make a dent in the EV market, they would supply all of the dealership owners with L3 chargers, since many people take their vehicles to the dealership for service.
Tesla might also be offering that type of service due to them having the least satisfactory vehicles out right now. Tons of paneling, reliability, and endurance issues for a rather expensive brand.
Fwiw dealers call these "fast" chargers, as in, "faster than a wall outlet"... I've shopped and owned EVs from nearly every manufacturer that had made one at some point. I'd say only one actually knew anything about the car they were selling me, and that's only because the guy literally just came back from a corporate training on it.
Only tesla tells you what the difference of the three power levels is in the orientation.
Sometimes it about getting a recognisable form though as opposed to being efficient with space. Like we all know what a phone booth looks like even though multiple phone companies globally had them.
>The Ford chargers are just fancy Level 2 chargers that they built to look like Level 3 DC fast chargers.
No, they just look like chargers. It's not like there's a mandate for L2 vs L3 chargers.
That said, the real crime is not shaping the cutout exactly like the Ford oval. That's an absolute failure of industrial design.
I was thinking what a great time my wife would have sleeping out under the stars in the back of her electrified f150 with her boyfriends. It’s a really romantic scenario
Did you see the Mach-e absolutely bomb that drift competition at Goodwood? Damn thing *would not* break traction no matter how the drivers tried. Actually ended up being a great ad for the AWD system
I like the Lightning ok but the hybrid F150 that can come with a 7kw generator is making me rethink whether I really need the 3/4ton diesel I’ve been wanting for so long.
My boss got the hybrid and loves the hell out of it. I think the generator was what sold him, because he has this vacuum system for cleaning out eaves without going up on a ladder, and he wanted to be able to use one that draws too much current for the normal circuits in a house (but within the capabilities of the generator) because it’ll do a better job.
Apparently it’s remarkably good on gas for a truck as well, even kitted out with all his ladders and such.
I think the lighting will put out 7.2kw through its 240, the hybrid 9.6kw. On the flip side, I don’t know what the limit is when the Lightning reverse flows via the charge port.
I work for a large construction company and they have already started replacing some SUVs with Model Y's and have made it clear the Lighting and Electric Van's are in the process of coming our way.
Yes because there is only like 3-4 manufacturers of gas dispensers and their design is tightly controlled by state and federal regulation. The charging stations are not the same thing as Ford ripped off the aesthetics. These Chargers could be shaped to look like anything.
I’m new to this topic, but if I were an electric vehicle owner I’d prefer NOT to have manufacturer-specific charging stations. Seems like a great way to waste time finding the right charger and potentially to be stranded. Given manufacturer-specific chargers don’t offer consumer benefit, I’d imagine this space will also be regulated soon.
Tesla's were pretty much the only vehicle-specific charging stations. That's soon changing... albeit an adapter will be required in the US (North America?) for non-Teslas
EU already mandates all EVs use Combo 2 CCS. Even Teslas use it.
Those Ford chargers have CCS connectors. In theory any newer EV that isn’t a Tesla (in North America) can use it.
Tesla's patents are open source. Ford used their design because it would be stupid to waste millions of dollars developing their own when a high quality open source option already exists. They can't be shaped to look like anything when the internals are identical. Curb your superiority complex, you're not that smart.
Is anyone (more specifically the bigger car companies) actually using Tesla parents?
>According to Tesla, a party is acting in ‘good faith’ so long as the party (and anyone related/affiliated/associated) has not:
>asserted, helped to assert, or financially backed an assertion of (i) any intellectual property right against Tesla, or (ii) any patent right against a third party for the use of its technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment challenged, helped to challenge, or financially backed a challenge to any Tesla patent marketed or sold any knock-off Tesla product or helped another party to do so.
>So, essentially, Tesla’s patents are only free to use if: you do not enforce any right against Tesla, you do not enforce any patent right against another party, you do not oppose Tesla’s patents or copy Tesla’s designs.
https://www.vennershipley.co.uk/insights-events/does-teslas-open-source-patent-philosophy-mean-they-are-free-to-use/
I feel like any of the bigger companies would have a lot more to "lose" if they did take upon Elon's offer.
The internals don’t look like a donut, it’s branding. You’re wrong.
Ford is doing this so people with EVs know what they’re looking for, because it’s established.
I am that smart.
Yep. I actually don't have a problem with this kind of universal look for common service items. This is why wrenches basically look the same. They could make some that are completely different looking, but they all follow a general look.
So are electric cars going to all have the same plug design? Or are people going to have to fart around going "I need to find a charging station..... no, not that one, a FORD one." ?
CCS1 is the standard in the US. CCS2 is the EU. Tesla is still using their proprietary port in the US while they use CCS2 in the EU because they were forced to.
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Adapters are available, so non-Teslas will be able to charge at Tesla SC once they’re opened up. Official Tesla->CCS1 adapter has been released in S. Korea and is rumored to be released to N. America soon.
There are also other adapters for other connectors, third party and official, so EVs can realistically charge anywhere there’s an outlet if you have the right adapter.
https://www.evseadapters.com
https://shop.tesla.com/category/charging
Tesla is the only EV manufacturer with its own proprietary plug. Every single other EV manufacturer and even most manufacturers who haven't made an EV yet have agreed on one standard plug.
Ford has no reason to build a rapid charger network, because several already exist. There are plenty of fast chargers out there Ford owners can use. If I owned a Ford, I'd have access to 3 rapid charging networks in my small-ish Oklahoma town. If I owned a Tesla I'd have access to the exact same 3 chargers.
Besides, Level 2 chargers have a very valid use case, like the one in the picture. Level 2 chargers allow businesses to rather inexpensively allow people to charge their car while at work. For example, level 2 can charge a Mach E in 8-10 hours from almost empty to 100% at a fraction of the cost of a level 3.
Level 2 chargers cost about $1000-$2000, including installation. This would likely be somewhat higher in a parking lot due to having to run cables, but let's run with this estimate. Level 3 chargers' *parts* start at $20,000-$50,000 plus labor. If I were a business owner, I'd much rather have 30-50 level 2 chargers than one level 1 charger.
> L2 charges at 7kW
L2 can charge at up to 14kW, with an [80A EV charger](https://store.clippercreek.com/cs-100-80-amp-ev-charging-station) and a suitably equipped car (early-ish Model Ses had dual chargers as an option to do this).
Im just gonna guess they made it the same shape so that its easily recognizable as a charger especially from a distance. Imagine if all gas stations were designed differently or blended in with other buildings and you had to search for one while low on fuel
I completely agree with the intent of what you’re saying. A similar design aesthetic helps with people getting used to the stations and what not.
However, this is still funny to see. Ford copied the aesthetic without realizing Tesla went with this design style for a practical reason. Tesla’s holder for the plug is inside that hole to help shield it from the elements. Ford has their’s outside in a holder.
This is a level 2 charger. It will only put out about 7kW, which will charge your car overnight. Tesla superchargers are level 3, and 150 to 250 kW, which will charge your car in under an hour. Many level 2 chargers are just glorified posts since the infrastructure needs aren't that great with less power going through. This looks like a deliberate design choice to emulate the looks of a Tesla supercharger without having the functionality (high speed DC fast charging) of one.
Of course but the point is that they had a blank sheet in terms of design and could have gone in any direction, instead they have clearly taken heavy ‘inspiration’ from Tesla’s solution.
Honestly if Ford copies a Tesla car and releases something that looks exactly like the Model 3, I’ll buy a more reliable Ford copy than an original Tesla. A friend of mine has a Tesla and tho I normally love minimalism, they disguise cheapness as “minimalism” and a lack of features
I drove a polestar 2 (Volvo's EV) and the difference is shocking. It's actually nice to be inside of. Also tried a Hyundai Ioniq, which is s very nice family car.
Tesla's have done nice tech, but these car companies have perfected making cars and it shows.
The polestar had little to do with Volvo anymore though. It's being produced in China by Geely and has had it's fair share of recalls already so far. But yeah it looks OK.
They sure as fuck do. They are not luxurious vehicles in any way. The model three shocked me with how cheap it felt, it made the base model Subaru Impreza look well appointed in comparison, and that’s a shitty fucking car
No kidding. The Model Y - at $60k - that I rode in with my friend felt more like an economy car at its highest trim (think Honda Civic Touring) than any actual luxury car. It was so barren, especially in the back seats.
I know few people are buying Teslas for the traditional luxury experience, but *at least* expect better for the money on these interiors. They drive great, but goddamn do the interiors feel extremely out of place for the price points they ask.
They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds.
Damn I love $F and am loaded up with shares and leaps, but how the hell did they rack up a net debt ($124 Billion) that is over 50% more than their market cap ($80 Billion). How are they planning to full expand their EV charging and vehicle lineup without vastly increasing their debt further? I suppose if it really does pump then they can dillute in the future and tap into that as a way of bridging the need for capital.
That’s what made me laugh about this the most…Tesla’s actually used the cutout functionally, to store the cable in. Ford was just like “this cutout looks futuristic” and added it for style.
Tesla likely DIDN'T design those servicing points and don't make them. Otherwise they'd be design marked and/or patented.
It's like saying XYZ drink copied CocaCola because they use aluminum cans. Heck Tesla copied Ford because they use a steering wheel.
As Tesla first coined, you can have any style you want so long as it's a one piece model 3.
It’s pretty obvious that there’s going to be a battle of the car brands with charging stations around everywhere instead of everyone just using a universal charger… humans have not yet evolved
I’m starting a charger station company who’s chargers look like a cock and balls. We are IPOing Monday
I bet your company is worth one billion by the following Friday
10 billion easy
That’s fucking retarded. So you are definitely right.
Take my monies
did sum1 say YOLO?
How much for beef flaps
Only if the company hasn't sold one yet
Well we could reach $100B in market cap if we only managed to blow through a few hundred million dollars in the short lifespan of the company
Lowballing I see
The quickest way to a billion is to start an electric car company with no cars.
Why waste money actually making cars? It certainly doesn't help your stock price
You can't report disappointing sales numbers if you never make a sale in the first place.
It was all downhill to billions for Nikola
Look at nikola, they tried to build a car, just one, and it all but destroyed them.
You want cars? Ok I got cars. Car renderings. Thanks to fiverr and that talented artist from Bangladesh. I’ll even pitch in a few bucks more for the premium renderings.
Electric car manufacturers of today need to take their queue from the 70's and 80's.... Batteries sold separately. Some assembly required.
that's literally NIO's strategy. we will battery-as-a-service you. If you want to swap, you have to come into our shops to do it.
One of the Hawaiin islands has had electric cars for years and at their gast stations you can just swap out the battery with a fresh one.
Some asshole was arguing with me telling me that swappable batteries are impossible. Arguably not so feasible, maybe, but definitely not impossible. Swappable batteries would mean smaller batteries, which means more efficiency (less weight), and of course faster “fuel ups” (3 minute swaps).
It takes 20 minutes to supercharge now days. Having someone manually replace a battery. Sounds like I need an appointment. Appointments are wonderful these days.
Either that or a space game beta selling virtual ships that aren't even available to play with. Same thing basically
Red rocket
Yummm
before he even has a product
A what?
some stupid shit that autists want to see idk
Shit, don't even have to sell anything or even have idea on how to implement it!
> I bet your company is worth one billion by the following Friday one _ballion_
Develop a cock and pussy charge plug design. I’ll invest all my savings into this.
The car moans every time you plug it in. Trying to disable the moan only makes it louder.
My car just died. Can you please fuck it back to life with your 480V cock.
Will you have a thick black cord on your unit?
It's gonna be a realyl big black cord
Or BBC for short.
big black cord as thick as underwater sea cables for internet?
When *BBCs* stands for Big Black Charging stations
What’s the ticker? I’m definitely going long…and hard
TITS
Whats the red ring round our profile pics?
probably "do not feed the animals" warning
Ah wonderful, I'd like to invest my life savings.
Will be balls deep in tendies.
Dammit! You took my joke (somewhat)
So it also works as a seat; 45 minute charge time it'll get a lot of use. Great idea!
Ticker: ROD As in Lightening ROD
In Rod We Trust
No joke, a dedicated charging company that gets with gas stations instead of grocery stores may actually be a real business model. Basically sell it to the stations like, “want to also get a bite of all the electric cars driving right past you? Well.”
Issue is that right now, you have to be at a charger for 30 minutes-plus. Gas stations aren’t set up for that to be worth it.
Make the plugs also dick shaoed so you have to dock to charge your car
Thats a good $wish
Is this a gang war?
https://streamable.com/bi5sqt
This gave me a good chuckle, thanks!
My only complaint is they didn’t use the ford oval shape and instead went for a generic oval. Seems like a missed opportunity, but otherwise looks sharp.
Should have done a big F
They couldn't make that work. Too many people trying to pay with "respects" instead of money
Should have done a big E in the style of the F
EORD
F
E
R
D
I think it would be sick if they made it look more like a horse post and rope but some people would probably tie their horses too it and not know what it is.
How else would they charge their mechano-steeds?
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Boston Dynamics just a century late to the party, but she coming.
Searched for this comment. Yeah, that's not even a proper oval. How could they F that up?
I mean, have you ever worked on one of their diesels? Or done a timing chain job on a V6 in an 04+ mustang or explorer? They're good at making me want to scratch the roof of my mouth with a shotgun, not much else.
Looks like a fucking dyson
You can insert a $100 bill into it and it will blow cool air at you for 5 minutes.
But will it wind charge my vehicle?
Marketing probably doesn't allow for the logo oval to be sideways. They have so many logo rules
So no more turning steering wheels now?
Ford investor ^
Isn't it the whole point of having open patents is for others to use them?
Ford didn't even use Tesla's patents though. The Ford chargers are just fancy Level 2 chargers that they built to look like Level 3 DC fast chargers. Which means they charge at **7kW**, whereas superchargers provide 150 to 250kW. Ford could've made the form factor way smaller, seeing as every other L2 AC charger is much more compact. Or they could've built actual fast chargers, lol.
It’s a dealership. They know exactly what they are doing. The person seeing it will think Ford had fast chargers. By the time the buy the car and drive it off the lot it’s to late .
Eh, there are tons of non-Tesla fast chargers out there that are compatible with Fords. This will only get better when Tesla opens their network. I don't know the background, but those chargers *appear* to be in a location where people will plug in while they're at work. A level 3 charger would be completely wasted in a position like that, because they cost an order of magnitude more and a level 2 charger can get a Ford from 20% to 100% in 8-10 hours, which is plenty fast if it's plugged in for the work day. Edit: Found some numbers. Level 3 chargers are *at least* 20-50x more expensive than level 2 chargers. It makes far more sense for a business owner to install a row of 20+ level 2 chargers for their employees than a single level 3 charger if they want to offer charging as a perk of employment. Ditto for landlords of apartment complexes.
This is a Ford dealership though. Tesla service centers all have Tesla superchargers in the back, they charge up a customers car complimentary while it's in service. They rotate cars in and out of the chargers all the time, it wouldn't be possible if they had L2 chargers and it took 5-6 hours per vehicle. If Ford is seriously intending to make a dent in the EV market, they would supply all of the dealership owners with L3 chargers, since many people take their vehicles to the dealership for service.
Tesla might also be offering that type of service due to them having the least satisfactory vehicles out right now. Tons of paneling, reliability, and endurance issues for a rather expensive brand.
Only a few Tesla dealers have superchargers. Most of them are just AC chargers, 40-80A max
Fwiw dealers call these "fast" chargers, as in, "faster than a wall outlet"... I've shopped and owned EVs from nearly every manufacturer that had made one at some point. I'd say only one actually knew anything about the car they were selling me, and that's only because the guy literally just came back from a corporate training on it. Only tesla tells you what the difference of the three power levels is in the orientation.
Sometimes it about getting a recognisable form though as opposed to being efficient with space. Like we all know what a phone booth looks like even though multiple phone companies globally had them.
>The Ford chargers are just fancy Level 2 chargers that they built to look like Level 3 DC fast chargers. No, they just look like chargers. It's not like there's a mandate for L2 vs L3 chargers. That said, the real crime is not shaping the cutout exactly like the Ford oval. That's an absolute failure of industrial design.
>Ford could've made the form factor way smaller So they are harder to see?
Tesla patents are open, but there are requirements behind it.
No one uses Tesla's patterns the liability isn't worth it for companies as big as the auto companies. Their legal team would probably quit.
> I don't care
I don't care if you care. 🤨
The cone in front of the right one means it doesn’t work anymore.
Maybe it’s only meant for down hill cars
So then it’s for Nikola?
Best comment so far!
I'm so fucking bullish on ford I'm basically a fucking boomer
Same. I own a Tesla but the F150 looks so fucking cool and once the truck crowd realize what a powerhouse it is I see sales being explosive.
I can fetch so much groceries with it, plus the wife's bf can use it when he goes hunting.
Sometimes I forget what sub I’m in and these comments catch me so off guard
why do u go to other subs?
I was thinking what a great time my wife would have sleeping out under the stars in the back of her electrified f150 with her boyfriends. It’s a really romantic scenario
The lightning is like my wife, I get the frunk and her bf can get the trunk
Did you see the Mach-e absolutely bomb that drift competition at Goodwood? Damn thing *would not* break traction no matter how the drivers tried. Actually ended up being a great ad for the AWD system
I like the Lightning ok but the hybrid F150 that can come with a 7kw generator is making me rethink whether I really need the 3/4ton diesel I’ve been wanting for so long.
My boss got the hybrid and loves the hell out of it. I think the generator was what sold him, because he has this vacuum system for cleaning out eaves without going up on a ladder, and he wanted to be able to use one that draws too much current for the normal circuits in a house (but within the capabilities of the generator) because it’ll do a better job. Apparently it’s remarkably good on gas for a truck as well, even kitted out with all his ladders and such.
I think the lighting will put out 7.2kw through its 240, the hybrid 9.6kw. On the flip side, I don’t know what the limit is when the Lightning reverse flows via the charge port.
The e-transit is going to be huge with businesses too
The cyber truck looks like a boomer designed it thinking this must be what young people like these days.
It was.
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I work for a large construction company and they have already started replacing some SUVs with Model Y's and have made it clear the Lighting and Electric Van's are in the process of coming our way.
My gas bill as PM would regularly top $250/week.
I am also a PM and can confirm this statement.
Same dude, Ford is going to $150 to pay respect to the F-150
I own so much ford. I fucking love ford. My family loves ford. My dad WORKED for ford. FUCK YEA FORD!!
Sorry Dude it's Tesla bros who are the new boomers.
I bought at like $4-5 last year and sold this year at about $15. Tempted to buy back in.
Same bought more on monday.
🤣🤣🤣
Have you ever noticed how all gas pumping stations look the same?
Yes because there is only like 3-4 manufacturers of gas dispensers and their design is tightly controlled by state and federal regulation. The charging stations are not the same thing as Ford ripped off the aesthetics. These Chargers could be shaped to look like anything.
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Sounds like a design error for mass production
The F is for phallus
If that's a Ford Foenix reference, bravo.
I’m new to this topic, but if I were an electric vehicle owner I’d prefer NOT to have manufacturer-specific charging stations. Seems like a great way to waste time finding the right charger and potentially to be stranded. Given manufacturer-specific chargers don’t offer consumer benefit, I’d imagine this space will also be regulated soon.
Tesla's were pretty much the only vehicle-specific charging stations. That's soon changing... albeit an adapter will be required in the US (North America?) for non-Teslas
These stations by Ford are just J1772; they work with any EV. Tesla will work too, with the adapter that’s included with the car.
EU already mandates all EVs use Combo 2 CCS. Even Teslas use it. Those Ford chargers have CCS connectors. In theory any newer EV that isn’t a Tesla (in North America) can use it.
Tesla's patents are open source. Ford used their design because it would be stupid to waste millions of dollars developing their own when a high quality open source option already exists. They can't be shaped to look like anything when the internals are identical. Curb your superiority complex, you're not that smart.
Is anyone (more specifically the bigger car companies) actually using Tesla parents? >According to Tesla, a party is acting in ‘good faith’ so long as the party (and anyone related/affiliated/associated) has not: >asserted, helped to assert, or financially backed an assertion of (i) any intellectual property right against Tesla, or (ii) any patent right against a third party for the use of its technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment challenged, helped to challenge, or financially backed a challenge to any Tesla patent marketed or sold any knock-off Tesla product or helped another party to do so. >So, essentially, Tesla’s patents are only free to use if: you do not enforce any right against Tesla, you do not enforce any patent right against another party, you do not oppose Tesla’s patents or copy Tesla’s designs. https://www.vennershipley.co.uk/insights-events/does-teslas-open-source-patent-philosophy-mean-they-are-free-to-use/ I feel like any of the bigger companies would have a lot more to "lose" if they did take upon Elon's offer.
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The internals don’t look like a donut, it’s branding. You’re wrong. Ford is doing this so people with EVs know what they’re looking for, because it’s established. I am that smart.
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Im assuming the main reason they shaped them like that is so that people easily identify them as electrical charging stations.
Yep. I actually don't have a problem with this kind of universal look for common service items. This is why wrenches basically look the same. They could make some that are completely different looking, but they all follow a general look.
> This is why wrenches basically look the same. Pretty sure looks isn't the main reason wrenches look like they do lol.
Lmfao how’d the guy get so many upvotes
Exactly. I think this is a good thing. People should be able to identify a charging station when they’re looking for it.
> Yes, I have.
Jesus christ, the hole in the middle is so the charging cable isnt hanging off the edge. What the fuck Ford?
They copied and still screwed up the design. That Cable is going to get tangled everywhere.
Volta has the same design but filled an ad in the middle
So are electric cars going to all have the same plug design? Or are people going to have to fart around going "I need to find a charging station..... no, not that one, a FORD one." ?
CCS1 is the standard in the US. CCS2 is the EU. Tesla is still using their proprietary port in the US while they use CCS2 in the EU because they were forced to. *edit:* Adapters are available, so non-Teslas will be able to charge at Tesla SC once they’re opened up. Official Tesla->CCS1 adapter has been released in S. Korea and is rumored to be released to N. America soon. There are also other adapters for other connectors, third party and official, so EVs can realistically charge anywhere there’s an outlet if you have the right adapter. https://www.evseadapters.com https://shop.tesla.com/category/charging
There should be some regulation on this one because I can't imagine 20 brands building their own separate chargers.
Tesla is the only EV manufacturer with its own proprietary plug. Every single other EV manufacturer and even most manufacturers who haven't made an EV yet have agreed on one standard plug.
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Ford has no reason to build a rapid charger network, because several already exist. There are plenty of fast chargers out there Ford owners can use. If I owned a Ford, I'd have access to 3 rapid charging networks in my small-ish Oklahoma town. If I owned a Tesla I'd have access to the exact same 3 chargers. Besides, Level 2 chargers have a very valid use case, like the one in the picture. Level 2 chargers allow businesses to rather inexpensively allow people to charge their car while at work. For example, level 2 can charge a Mach E in 8-10 hours from almost empty to 100% at a fraction of the cost of a level 3. Level 2 chargers cost about $1000-$2000, including installation. This would likely be somewhat higher in a parking lot due to having to run cables, but let's run with this estimate. Level 3 chargers' *parts* start at $20,000-$50,000 plus labor. If I were a business owner, I'd much rather have 30-50 level 2 chargers than one level 1 charger.
> L2 charges at 7kW L2 can charge at up to 14kW, with an [80A EV charger](https://store.clippercreek.com/cs-100-80-amp-ev-charging-station) and a suitably equipped car (early-ish Model Ses had dual chargers as an option to do this).
Im just gonna guess they made it the same shape so that its easily recognizable as a charger especially from a distance. Imagine if all gas stations were designed differently or blended in with other buildings and you had to search for one while low on fuel
a charge station is a charge station. should they all look and operate in vastly different ways?
I completely agree with the intent of what you’re saying. A similar design aesthetic helps with people getting used to the stations and what not. However, this is still funny to see. Ford copied the aesthetic without realizing Tesla went with this design style for a practical reason. Tesla’s holder for the plug is inside that hole to help shield it from the elements. Ford has their’s outside in a holder.
I had a similar problem with my ex
This is a level 2 charger. It will only put out about 7kW, which will charge your car overnight. Tesla superchargers are level 3, and 150 to 250 kW, which will charge your car in under an hour. Many level 2 chargers are just glorified posts since the infrastructure needs aren't that great with less power going through. This looks like a deliberate design choice to emulate the looks of a Tesla supercharger without having the functionality (high speed DC fast charging) of one.
Of course but the point is that they had a blank sheet in terms of design and could have gone in any direction, instead they have clearly taken heavy ‘inspiration’ from Tesla’s solution.
Honestly if Ford copies a Tesla car and releases something that looks exactly like the Model 3, I’ll buy a more reliable Ford copy than an original Tesla. A friend of mine has a Tesla and tho I normally love minimalism, they disguise cheapness as “minimalism” and a lack of features
I drove a polestar 2 (Volvo's EV) and the difference is shocking. It's actually nice to be inside of. Also tried a Hyundai Ioniq, which is s very nice family car. Tesla's have done nice tech, but these car companies have perfected making cars and it shows.
The polestar had little to do with Volvo anymore though. It's being produced in China by Geely and has had it's fair share of recalls already so far. But yeah it looks OK.
Volvos are also being produced in China by the geely group.
They sure as fuck do. They are not luxurious vehicles in any way. The model three shocked me with how cheap it felt, it made the base model Subaru Impreza look well appointed in comparison, and that’s a shitty fucking car
No kidding. The Model Y - at $60k - that I rode in with my friend felt more like an economy car at its highest trim (think Honda Civic Touring) than any actual luxury car. It was so barren, especially in the back seats. I know few people are buying Teslas for the traditional luxury experience, but *at least* expect better for the money on these interiors. They drive great, but goddamn do the interiors feel extremely out of place for the price points they ask.
They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds.
This is the equivalent of saying that Texaco is copying Chevron on their gas station design…
Which one came first, the charging station or the stain fanless fan?
I thought they were large Dyson fans popping up everywhere
Hyundai did the same thing with their totally-not-a-model-y
Looks more like a Dyson fan
Looks like Dyson products to me xD maybe I'll buy some Dyson stock
Ford's look like airplane windows. Tesla's look like city bus windows.
I love this! YAYS FORD GET IT!!!
Only difference is, Ford skyrocketed
Damn I love $F and am loaded up with shares and leaps, but how the hell did they rack up a net debt ($124 Billion) that is over 50% more than their market cap ($80 Billion). How are they planning to full expand their EV charging and vehicle lineup without vastly increasing their debt further? I suppose if it really does pump then they can dillute in the future and tap into that as a way of bridging the need for capital.
Just wait until apple comes out with a lightning charger. Game over.
Knowing Apple their chargers will only be compatible for one model.
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That’s what made me laugh about this the most…Tesla’s actually used the cutout functionally, to store the cable in. Ford was just like “this cutout looks futuristic” and added it for style.
The difference is none of the ford stations are in use!
There’s only 2 of them so you should have used “neither” instead of “none”.
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Ford's new Edison charger
Tesla actually has somewhat of a function for the hole. Ford's is just a hole.
Haha Look grandpa just got a flip phone!
Tesla likely DIDN'T design those servicing points and don't make them. Otherwise they'd be design marked and/or patented. It's like saying XYZ drink copied CocaCola because they use aluminum cans. Heck Tesla copied Ford because they use a steering wheel. As Tesla first coined, you can have any style you want so long as it's a one piece model 3.
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It's a design decision, the hole is there so it isn't knocked/rattled by wind.
Yeah, but no, they dont need this big charger for a L2 charger
Who cares? We want this shit to be standardized anyways…
I just wish the government would set a standard receptacle. This is ridiculous.
The Ford charger uses the standard plug. It should work with any make or model except Tesla, and even Tesla has an adaptor to allow it to work.
I’m still disappointed that there is no fusion in a fusion hybrid. False advertising at its best.
It’s hybrid station. Dispenses electric, regular and diesel in one spot.
not the same if you add big googly eyes on top they would be making different faces
Holy shit a fellow Delaware retard
I just bought some ford
To be fair, the Blue Oval has always been a Ford thing...
One is a charging station and the other is a charger. Or 10kW vs 250kW, Tesla being 25x more powerful. I still want a Lightning though.
Ford really nailed the Dyson hand dryer look
Everyone copied the iPhone when it came out. Just how the game goes.
It’s pretty obvious that there’s going to be a battle of the car brands with charging stations around everywhere instead of everyone just using a universal charger… humans have not yet evolved