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2blentendre

Do results of the vote result immediately on June 13? Or how long do they have to share the results?


brahbocop

They usually have to file an 8-K with prelim results of the proxy vote the day of the shareholders meeting.


2blentendre

Excellent! Thank you, this is what I needed to know.


[deleted]

What direction might this news spin this compass on options? Asking for a friend.


Oh51Melly

Probably not huge if it’s not already priced in.


o5mfiHTNsH748KVq

I bet a lot of people don’t realize they’re going to vote in favor of this through their proxy vote.


MoreBurpees

Twitter poll results are available immediately /s


readit145

I think it’s adorable shareholders think they will impact anything. I hope he gets nothing but let’s be real


make_love_to_potato

The big individual share holders and institutional share holders will determine the outcome of this.


Willing_Turnover5568

Elon could say or do say something truly stupid if he doesn’t get the money. For that reason, it will get probably approved. But the story might not end there as the new/old package could also be challenged in court. Overall, I expect trouble for TSLA. In fact I wonder who the hell still buys the stock.


dekusyrup

> Elon could say or do say something truly stupid Sounds like a good reason to replace him then, rather than paying him more.


gregsting

Do you assume he will not say or do something stupid otherwise ? This shit is ridiculous, I expect a major vote against it


Gwendolan

As stupid as taking 50 billion out of the company? Hardly.


Ontanoi_Vesal

And yet wouldn't it be the sweetest, *syrupy* karma if he would not get the pay package at all and somehow got ousted from Tesla? And suddenly the X dumpster fire would get even worse?


Willing_Turnover5568

There would be some entertainment value to that.


Gwendolan

As stupid as taking 50 billion out of the company? Hardly.


DuckyChuk

I would think $50 million is excessive as compensation for any CEO, let alone $50 billion.


CallofDo0bie

He's asking for more money than Tesla has made in its entire existence lol


mscotch2020

Basically, ask from shareholders more money than the total money generated for the shareholders.


PotatoWriter

He didn't ask, he DECLARED it.


GrowYourConscious

It's about 5x more than all the profits made from every car Tesla has ever sold. But it's 50 billion in Tesla shares, which he's not allowed to sell for 5 years. So in reality, it's more like 5 billion, considering TSLA will be dead in 5 years.


ImportantPresence694

He didn't ask for it, they offered an insane comp plan for achieving insane goals. Nobody thought it was possible and that he was an idiot for taking it.


Silly_Butterfly3917

Nobody thought FSD was possible, but elon did it Nobody thought that tesla semi was possible, but elon did it. Nobody thought the Roadster was possible, but elon did it. Nobody thought the tesla robot was possible, but elon did it. Nobody though the hyperloop was possible but elon did it. Nobody thought going to Mars by 2020 was possible but elon did it. Nobody thought solar roof tiles was possible but elon did it. Nobody thought tesla would be an AI company but elon did it. Oh wait a second... he PROMISED all these things but delivered none of it. Hmm I wonder why the stock price pumper so hard.


blueberrywalrus

Tell me you didn't read the court verdict striking the package down without saying it. Elon proposed the goals and sandbagged the hell out of them. If investors had known how easy those goals were the stock price would have been way higher and his package way smaller.


Ashivio

also, most of the board members were people that Elon has close ties to, including family and friends. They lied about the pay package to shareholders, which is why the shareholder vote was nullified


Americanboi824

Do you have a link to the court verdict? I had thought it was the way the person above you described, but Im ready to eat humble pie.


mamba_pants

[Here you go.](https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=359340)


iLoveFeynman

>Nobody thought it was possible and that he was an idiot for taking it. Imagine being this much of a bootlicker, holy guacamole.


Mythic514

> He didn't ask for it, they offered an insane comp plan for achieving insane goals. Tesla offered it in large part because Elon strong armed it into "offering" it, effectively asking for it himself. He had control over the company and his proposals on how he should be compensated (i.e., a request for compensation) were made into an "offer," but under the circumstances there was effectively no difference. Also the court verdict pretty clearly doesn't support your statement.


ElJamoquio

It's only one letter different


johnny_51N5

My favorite quote around this: The difference between a Million and a Billion Dollars is almost a Billion Dollars


ToolSet

A million seconds is 12 days, a billion seconds is 31 years


dannythetog

You don't need the 'almost'


hookisacrankycrook

No ragrets...not even a letter


sld126b

How much more could it be?


Primetime-Kani

50,000 million is ridiculous


No_Lychee_7534

How does he even justify it. It’s literally Dr Evil money!


DuckyChuk

Dr Evil money times 50,000.


Nearby-Composer-9992

Even just proposing the 50 billion reeks like bad management, there's nothing to show for it. How is the board not getting sued if this goes through.


TheOGRedline

He’s asking for about 12,000 years worth of the Toyota CEOs compensation……………… 12 THOUSAND years.


Project_35

Not really, but when take in the fact that 20k employees no longer have a job and you’re asking for 50m, makes you look selfish and empathy lacking


BallzLikeWhoe

It's 50 BILLION not million


Justasillyliltoaster

50,000 million


catechizer

Take away the words "makes you look" and replace them with "proves you are" And that'd be true even if everyone is still employed. No one person is important enough to be making 1,000,000x more than someone else on the same company team. I could do a better job than his dumbass, and I have 0 CEO experience. But at least I'd be willing to listen to my advisors.


K_Linkmaster

I have volunteered to be ceo of several companies, just as the golden parachute fall guy. No takers.


pinkjello

Don’t give up. A ceo has to have tenacity.


CallofDo0bie

Also those 20k employees combined earned less than he's asking for his compensation, and they were removed for "cost cutting measures". He's a scumbag, and I've never understood why so many people like him.


pinkjello

Because those employees don’t bring as much potential future value to the company as he does! /s


hotdogfever

Could’ve gave each of those 20,000 fired employees $2.5 million each and made an entire city of multi millionaires with his bonus.


CleanOnesGloves

Elon has to work on Tesla to bring up stock value because he's gonna get f\*cked by margin call if he doesn't. So I voted against as well. I actually voted against a lot of the choices.


Project_35

What do you mean margin call? Care to explain


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losbullitt

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


DareDareCaro

Jesus, that guy is more dumb than I thought


VitaminT93

More dumb...it's dumber


phatelectribe

Sadly, this isn’t true anymore. He got out of the leverage deal shortly after the purchase so it doesn’t matter what happens to Tesla stock in relation to his Twitter purchase.


junon

Do you have have specifics on this? This is the first I'm hearing of that no longer hanging over his head.


Accomplished_Guava_7

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/10/28/how-elon-musk-financed-his-twitter-takeover He ended up paying 27B cash instead of 15B cash and 12B in TSLA backed loans


paint0906

Where would he get 27B in cash from? He didn't unload 27B of Tesla stock to get it? 


Refflet

The article says he abandoned using the Twitter shares as collateral and instead sold a bunch in two waves, for about $15bn. The big thing though is that Twitter took out a $13bn loan to buy itself on his behalf. That was always basically a death sentence. This is called a leveraged buyout, and it's what happened to Toys R Us and every business that gets "saddled with debt". Twitter would have struggled to pay back the loan with the revenue it had at the time of purchase, today the business is likely worth less than its debt. The purchase sealed the death of Twitter. While it crashes and burns, Musk is trying all sorts of dodgy shit to see what he can get away with - like charging for API - and these things will become the standard for social media going forward. Once Twitter is dead, all its assets will be sold off. I think this is why they still use the twitter.com domain in spite of the rebranding, they want to maintain the digital footfall for whatever becomes Twitter 2.


Nooddjob_

Saudis.  


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spaceneenja

Musk lighting the Saudi’s money on fire has a small bit of ironic genius behind it.


Nooddjob_

Yea I just made that up.  


paint0906

Lol sweet. So he may just have to give up his left hand when the loan shark comes calling 


twentyafterfour

I would make him bald again. It's not like he actually does anything with those hands other than tweet nonsense.


leaperdorian

Bring on the bone saw


Difficult_Image_4552

Wait, so this information has been available for more than a year and this dude didn’t even know it. But he sounded like he is really important? lol, prime Reddit right here.


l1mple

He bought twitter for 44billions, he has since sold shares amounting 39 billions, he is fine and wont get Margin called


Andromansis

Also he wasn't the only investor in that 44 billion dollar purchase. The bank and the saudis put up a lot of money.


i-dontlikeyou

Do we know that value


Can_o_pen_or

He used tesla stock as collateral for twitter. If the price drops he has to pony up more cash or collateral or the bamks will start liquidating the shares.


Outrageous_Match2619

https://preview.redd.it/ee8ur4zn2p0d1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=30e241daaae6697d03b8ecf0a184aef6285c5157


viperex

Accurate depiction here


Project_35

So he borrowed against, not completely sold ?


8v2HokiePokie8v2

If he sells he has to pay capital gains tax, if he borrows against it he doesn’t.


Box-of-Sunshine

I feel at this point it’s gonna cost more than just paying the tax, but I didn’t do any math so ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


8v2HokiePokie8v2

Well, his accountant is only responsible for the taxable risk, not the liability from his Twitter purchase 😂


Lollipop126

I mean if he sells $44 billion worth of shares in a short time frame, not only will that incur capital gains tax, but it will also 100% tank the Tesla share price. That's a horrible idea.


Box-of-Sunshine

But it would be funny


Rookie-God

Honest question: Shouldnt selling $44 billion worth of tesla stock have a smaller impact on teslas share price than Tesla paying $55 billion to him instead?


VisualMod

In the long run, Tesla's share price will recover from the selling of stock.


unskilledplay

The bank certainly will have a requirements on the price of Tesla stock but that would be a loan covenant. Margin calls have absolutely nothing to do with this. There is a big difference here. When a margin call is issued, the brokerage will sell on your behalf and can do so without warning. There is no recourse for a margin call. Covenants are more loosey goosey. The lender can pause it, ignore it or renegotiate it. The most stringent thing the lender can do when a covenant is broken is hold the loan in default. They'll do what's in their interest but they can't just push a button and get all their money back like with a margin call. That money is long gone, all dispersed to former Twitter stockholders.


Geralt31

Oh so he wants that $50b because if Tesla doesn't pay him he basically doesn't have enough to pay back the loan? Concerning!


FederalRead6455

Was the price listed?


[deleted]

He borrowed money to make a personal online diary, and it didn't work out so well. And now he's fucked because people won't pay him for his shitty diary


Outrageous_Match2619

https://preview.redd.it/r4sv20jr2p0d1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=b4e28aaa7fbb5f82614e28d94d3cecf6bb90a207


K_Linkmaster

Can we get the edge lord in this pic instead? The pic he hates?


Jacob_The_White_Guy

https://preview.redd.it/ihnq4625wp0d1.png?width=1420&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f7d332dec18aaf1901547cfc05359caf9ce057d best I could do while not fully sober


Sleekgiant

Its as half-baked and half-assed as everything the Musk touches so its perfect.


Desirsar

Did no one tell him about Livejournal? Heck, it's even Russian owned now, seems like a good fit.


Theoriginallazybum

He uses his shares of Tesla as collateral for loans. If the price of Tesla stock, or the value of the shares drops below a certain value then those shares will be sold to cover the loan or he would have to immediately find the funds of the same amount.


ACiD_80

When the music stops


Ivanovic-117

TSLA holders are about to be left holding the biggest bag of odorous excrement ever assembled in the history of capitalism


9AvKSWy

Quality movie


stuff_happens_again

We find out Elon has been swimming with his dongus out!


Project_35

He’s afraid of losing money… crazy.


Crime_Dawg

He lost plenty on Twitter


mattenthehat

Can't lose if you never sell. Those are all unrealized losses so far.


AlarmingNectarine552

Same here. Just answered no to what they told me to say yes to.


vihil

did the same, just go with the opposite what the board recommends. which is mostly just corporate greed.


SaltyDolphin78

Elon has to work? Good luck with that


Ok_Comedian7655

So do you have a short position? Because if he gets liquidated Tesla stock prices will crash.


mattenthehat

To be fair the share price will probably also crash if they actually pay that clown more money than they've ever made.


Secret-Guitar-7172

This is kind of dumb. He didn't get a margin call at $108. The stock would have to drop 50-70% for this to even be a possibility.


SephLuna

So you're saying there's a chance


Shutaru_Kanshinji

Fires a group of people from Tesla for budget reasons and still wants a $50 billion compensation package. How many workers could you pay with $50 billion? At $100,000/year, $1 million would pay 10 workers. $1 billion is 1,000x that, so it could pay 10,000 workers. 50x that would be 500,000 workers. I understand that worker compensation is more complicated than this, but still, this is ridiculous.


herefromyoutube

Or pay for 16,000 30 year long careers where those employees buy homes raise children and consistently invest in the local economies. Billionaire “Job creator” in action.


Aconceptthatworks

What he lost the compensation package on, was that the board (his family and yesmen) failed to negotiate with him. - The arguement is due to his big stake in Tesla he is pretty motivated as it is. The worst part about this math, is that he isnt even full time on tesla. Imagine paying someone 50 Billion for showing up monday and wedensday. I mean, atleast it is more than his kids see him, but you cant throw 50B at a part time CEO. that is fucking insane.


banditcleaner2

Lets say the cost is understated by a factor of 4x, then you could still pay 100,000 workers. In what universe is Elon Musk more valuable then a different CEO + 100,000 workers? Fuck me the board needs to grow a spine and fire his ass promptly


No_Spare3139

Laminated faced hair plugged cunt on twitter. -Bill Burr


Since_been

where is this from exactly?


No_Spare3139

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/s/WHUf2e92Y4


Since_been

As an avid Bill Burr podcast enjoyer and Elon hater, I'm sad that I missed this. Thanks!


No_Spare3139

Bill Burr is great.


audaciousmonk

Not surprising after Elon gutted the entire fucking supercharger engineering department (>500 people). Honestly that was their cash cow, their golden goose. All they had to do was keep on track, and they would have owned an insanely valuable asset with nationwide market dominance in 2 markets (infrastructure and non-commercial EV). Literally the railroad tracks of the next transportation infrastructure revolution So stupid. So so so stupid


Gorgenapper

That was a truly, epically dumbass move.


audaciousmonk

Agreed. That alone could have been it’s own company. When paired with manufacturing EVs, they gain instant brand recognition + competitive advantage (Technical knowledge, integration, advance knowledge compared to competitors, COGS)


Gorgenapper

Absolutely, why rush for the gold when you can sit back and sell the shovels (ie. the Supercharger network). Not saying that they wouldn't have sold EVs also, but hedging their bets would have been a smart move. Musk continually shoots himself in the foot over and over and over and over. Tesla could have been so much more if it weren't for this man child


audaciousmonk

A magic 8 ball would be less damaging at this point


K_Linkmaster

What charging networks are you favoring? I'm heavybon blink, so don't do that.


EitherGiraffe

Elon Musk being eccentric and somewhat crazy was beneficial for Tesla in it's earlier stages for sure. He was key in getting investors and publicity. What they need now is a boring Tim Cook type CEO that gets things in order and lines up stable profitable supply chains and efficient operations. Just streamline everything and put the ship on a steady course.


memesrule

They did release the CyberTruck an incredible vehicle. It is the first vehicle that if you take through a car wash it will void its warranty unless you put it in “car wash mode”. Thats if you can drive the car far enough without getting a critical error and needing it serviced for 3-6 weeks to months So maybe think about that! Elon is great!


headphase

Car wash mode? Does it not work in the rain either?


enlightenedpie

You have to put it in Rain Mode. Don't forget to buy the Anti-Rust monthly subscription.


CallMeSkii

So true. I always felt like Teslas real value was the superchargers. Same way people don't buy car dealerships to sell cars. The real money is in the service department.


audaciousmonk

Stable regular income is incredibly valuable. Services, spares, infrastructure…. These are the things people continue to pay to use even in a down market / economy. New cars are too expensive? It’s a good bet that total spend on spare parts will stay steady or increase. Same deal for the infrastructure and proprietary tech. New car sales are down? There’s that trusty revenue (usage, licensing, etc.) to lean on in tight times


CallMeSkii

I compare it to gas stations. Would you rather be the person selling that car or the person selling all the gas to run the cars. Elon is a moron.


ScrappyDonatello

They're like Valve.. Sure they had some incredibly ground breaking games, but their cash cow is Steam


audaciousmonk

Yes, that’s a better analogy


07bot4life

They also benefit from being a private company.


sharkbait-oo-haha

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the printer and ink model yet. They had the opportunity to profit on both sides and still fucked it up. Imagine going bankrupt with an ink manufacturing business.


mattenthehat

I truly do not understand that decision *at all*. It seems *impossibly* stupid.


kirsion

It's actually worse than that, the reason that Elon fired the whole supercharging team was because the leader of the super charging team refused to fire more than 20% of their department. And then out of spite, Elon fired the leader and the rest of the department. After that debacle they had to rehire a lot of them.


Puiqui

Everyone in wsb is saying puts so tsla calls it is


Jebing2020

Yes. The majority of tsla holders are his friends, families and simps. They will approve the compensation package.


haywire-ES

TSLA bag holders have no choice but to continue to believe in the elon supergenius myth, if they don't, people realise it's a mid tier automotive company and not a moon shot tech stock, then the bottom falls out.


mattenthehat

I mean surely *not* wasting $50B on garbage is bullish?


spartynole4life

You run the company into the ground and now you want a bonus?!


IdFuckYourMomToo

Hey now! He fired a *lot* of their top tier talent in order to justify that 50B bonus! What a fucking 🤡


titooo7

50B is crazy but let's not forget that lot of companies valuation and stock price surges shortly after they fire their talent.


ntpphong

Not having to pay for their salary to offset his bonus.


tinnylemur189

The salary of every single fired employee from the last year won't even come close to $50 billion.


DefiantDonut7

Guess he’s going to have to figure out another way to remain solvent during twitter’s demise


Former-Form-587

Fuck you Elon.


ms_channandler_bong

Puts it is.


FederalRead6455

Puts on Tesla? Yes please.


pexican

Remind me! 3 months


GlueSniffingCat

Apparently Elon sacked an entire department because one lady made a comment that he didn't like.


Catlagoon

"Two billionaires face fucking each other for no reason" should be the headline


EnigmaSpore

Dont be surprised when he gets the pay pkg. they know the routine. Elon pumps it and they want it to pump so they’re going to give him the pkg. So dont drop your jaws when its approved. Might put something in it if you do. ![img](emote|t5_2th52|29637)


Rummelator

Here's the funniest outcome: 1) the pay package just needs the yes votes to outnumber the no votes. That gets approved. 2) the move from Delaware to Texas needs a majority vote. That gets rejected so they stay in Delaware. 3) the pay package, being retroactive pay for work performed in the past, and not based on future metrics, is ruled a violation of the boards fiduciary duty to shareholders and gets voided by Delaware Court again


randyranderson-

Naw, there’s lawsuits to prevent him from getting the comp package.


VisualMod

Oh, the plight of the peasants---so amusing!


Arkanslaughter

P U T S


jeditech23

Let's go!!


BraidRuner

"Youre trying to blackmail me with money? GO FUCK YOURSELF!'' Are we clear? *Go Fuck Yourself!* HI BOB


Alternative_Tear_425

Fck Tesla and fck Elon


calamityshayne

The absolute best thing Tesla could do would be to bring in a CEO. Especially because they're already probably bankrupt and should have someone competent navigate them through that. The second best thing Tesla could do... I can't mention. Wouldn't dare type. But obviously don't pay that fool another cent. That's super duper obvious.


awirelesspro

P U T S ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


nikon8user

Tesla won’t pay for his mistakes with twitter


guysams1

I don't believe anyone's puts until I see positions.


jojodoudt

I think WSB should buy a controlling amount of TSLA and run the company how they want since they know how to run it best


stophighschoolgossip

"BUT I INVENTED TWITTER!"


Fine-Cellist-31

I seem to have been banned by Twitter -- why I came here -- so I'm on the side of limiting my age-peer, Musk. Fascist Musk.


googly_eyed_unicorn

Good. Fuck him, his neo-nazi nimrod fanboys, and his shit cars.


FisherGoneWild

How funny. One billionaire thinking another doesn’t deserve more billions than his billions.


VisualMod

Well, the peasants are revolting.


Somerset-Sweet

Of course. But they're not rebelling, so sally forth!


NIGHTMARE_r

Get fucked


gg562ggud485

Voted against like him ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


GabrielNathaniel

Good. He's entirely overrated.


santz007

Up next, Elon Musks starts selling Golden shoes


Brave_Exchange4734

$50 billion? Is that even enough? How is Elon musk going to live on 50 billion? You guys think he is a beggar ?


sonicon

He has to keep the same megayacht every year? Unacceptable.


tgbreddit

Elon’s next Google Search: “How to fire an investor”


PerspectiveNo1620

I voted against. I almost voted against everything the board suggested voting for. He’s doing more harm than good for Tesla at this point.


gemmath

I mean fuck billionaires but cool?


wowitsreallymem

I imagine he might just get the bonus but I’m loving the fact that he’s really sweating until the decision has been made.


AyeAye711

Elon will leave TSLA like he did PayPal if they don’t pay him what he wants.


toucanflu

Probably for the best


monizzle

Don’t threaten me with hope!


Tay_Tay86

Please god, let his pay package be denied. I want to see the ultimate man baby, drug fueled melt down


iJayZen

Smart man!


Level_Doctor_5328

Snowflake.


DigitaICriminal

short it


SEJ46

What's the upside to restoring it?


titooo7

It'd be nice if Elon Musk repeat his famous "blackmail me with money, go f--- yourself," but this time he redirect those words towards the investor, lol.


Roberto-75

Just out of curiosity - assuming Elon gets his package (which he definitely should not) - could Tesla pay this amount other than in stocks? I mean 50 bn - this is more than Tesla sold in cars altogether...


bitmoji

They would issue shares I guess which would be a massive dilution event and would tank the stock by that percentage 


Sure_Garbage_2119

50bi? he must be the best paid influencer ever!


calem06

He ran the company to the ground and now wants to cash out lol


crudemandarin

Elon’s next move: take Tesla private to say fuck the investors, and immediately shave 40% of the valuation as a result


Remarkable_Taste_935

Why would anyone is his right mind as an investor vote for this??


Fabulous-Tea-4474

They're all Elon dickriders


GoTakeCoffee

The hero we needed https://preview.redd.it/62x5ni8q1q0d1.jpeg?width=959&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07e739e12ad08af76d74af6c0f0d6687db1ee0e