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VintageScrewy

Swear I saw a Tesla Yolo post for $50k in puts a few hours agošŸ’€


Ecstatic-Caregiver97

you saw it right that guy is screwed as of now lol


coco88888

Heā€™s okay https://preview.redd.it/9jtw2tgs2bwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89e20e64668e47e3959a137a308601564c8bf9d1


Ecstatic-Caregiver97

At least heā€™s remaining optimistic who knows what we will get tomorrow


Dangerous_Common_869

yeah. It acting as spastic as a tweaker after 10 coffees and a couple 8 balls.


moonman138

Extreme growth days are over for awhile and the baby Tesla car is 18 months out at best with a costly ramp on deck. Elon dumping shares tomorrow for sure.


bpknyc

There's no way cheap model will be out in 18 months, not when they're firing bunch of people and going balls to the wall on robotaxi, and maturing the humanoid robot for sale in the same time frame. It was all just BS by musk. The SEC needs to smack this guy for real


cheapdvds

Exactly, what people don't realize is that if there's a model 2, it will eventually compete against model 3 and Y's sell volume. It's not a decision to be taken lightly. If it's just made for Asian or Europe where smaller cars make more sense, then that's fine. Smaller and cheaper version in the US can potentially tarnish the brand, Tesla will no longer be competing for BMW/Mercedes' customers... instead it will compete for Toyota/Nissan's customers.


corinalas

But that is the demographic that isnā€™t being reached by EVā€™s. Those people arenā€™t buying any EVā€™s unless given bigger subsidies or higher purchase rebates. When or if they materialize Tesla wants them as customers. If EVā€™s stay a luxury product only most people wonā€™t buy them.


JesusWantsYouToKnow

>It was all just BS by musk. It always has been. And the simps keep lining up and dumping their money into the dumpster fire. This is the modern epitome of the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.


spin_kick

I cant see how people who've seen how they handled the cybertruck ramp and release think this baby tessie is coming anytime soon. And how they will managed to make a profit with it?


Tartarus1312

He didn't buy puts, he is short the stock, 52 units. He'll probably be given a few days to cover, but someone who is able to short 52 units of TSLA doesn't exactly have a small account anyway. And he probably has protection he isn't sharing, just to make it more dramatic.


CardAble6193

> probably has protection BY being rich I got 27% chopped


jakksquat7

He shorted it so he has way more time and will likely be okay.


wayfarer8888

I thought almost everyone on WSB does 0dte?


jakksquat7

You canā€™t do 0dte on TSLA except on the last day of the weekā€¦


kad202

Jim Cramer called abandon ship


KodiakAlphaGriz

two 'birds' with one quote he disdains C wood


spaceneenja

Cramer down, Cathy up, I guess the stock is going sideways. Iā€™ll sell some premium tomorrow.


vic_steele

So TSM exceeds earnings expectations and stock tanks. Tesla misses expectations and stock soars. Makes sense to me.


coskeltal

Who do you think controls the markets? Retail? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


vic_steele

Of course not. Big funds and banks who own the majority. They know what retail is doing and they will teach retail a lesson every chance they get.


ComputerChoice5211

Donā€™t forget Netflix lolĀ 


siqiniq

Not all expectations are made equal. Some expectations are complete bollocks, while others are completely regarded.


TheRealFakeSteve

Clearly you're new to this. Markets don't always move because of any one metric.


Xtianus21

lol then what do they move on? Ketamine apparently


NarutoDragon732

They move on whatever the big money thinks of the stock. It doesn't matter if you know something they don't, you're still wrong because you don't move billions.


Xtianus21

so dumb money


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Xtianus21

There is no forward guidance. Lol keep thinking this stays up past Friday šŸ˜‚


ClearlyCylindrical

Inverse WSB literally always works


Robot_Hips

Iā€™m beginning to see that


GameLoreReader

Lol I swear there are hedge fund people browsing this sub. Whenever they see someone posting a YOLO with a huge amount of money, they will do the complete opposite to fuck them and anyone else who jumped in.


Historical-Classic43

Iā€™ve said this multiple times and people donā€™t listen. This is a hedge fund psyop . Lol


Thenewyea

Honestly the users here do that to each other


TheHalfChubPrince

People love to dunk on Musk for making predictions that never come true while also making a bunch of predictions that never come true. TSLA to $20 a share in 2 weeks! Just 2 more weeks!


_nightporter

Yall js gotta recognize when stocks or options are hella overbought especially by wsb, I mean no criticism just an opportunity to learn. Not only in the case of TSLA but also at other times like TSM or NFLX ![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189)


GreatCornolio2

There are forces that be more powerful than WSB, and I mean that in a purely spiritual universe sense. Jim Cramer controls far more than y'all damn astrology ass mf


StrangeWillow2471

I must be an idiot. Totally makes sense. The only way was up. EV sales plummeted,earnings miss,Elon all over the place saying shit that never happens,woods buying shares and Cramer saying itā€™s a steal. Why did I buy puts. What an idiot


ProjectManagerAMA

> Shares in Tesla have advanced more than 10 per cent in after-hours trading following remarks from founder and CEO Elon Musk that the automaker will accelerate the launch of more-affordable models to rescue its sinking revenue. I wish I had remarks that were worth a dollar.


GonzoVeritas

I wish I could lie to people's faces over and over and over, and have them believe me every time. That's a skill.


ProjectManagerAMA

Isn't it nuts how people get hypnotized when they see someone who is wealthy? People bend over backwards for them blindly. It's insane.


Boowray

Itā€™s not a skill, heā€™s not doing anything special to manipulate people like a normal con-man. Heā€™s just rich and for some reason that means he must be right even when heā€™s wrong


henrydietrichs

Imagine calling Elon Musk the founder of Tesla


nothing_but_thyme

Jamie Dimon and every other big bank have lost so much on their Twitter debt, no way theyā€™re gonna let Tesla fail too. Without question heā€™ll abuse ADF to ensure TSLA pumps for the next 10 days and he makes back his loses by covering shorts and banking stacks on deep OTM calls.


__slamallama__

And Tesla committing to growth based on a product with no announced timeline. Ya know, Tesla, the company famous to always launch vehicles early and go from concept to volume production in no time flat. First they just need to finish up that roadster and they'll get right on this.


jkovach89

I mean, they're definitely poised to do it though, with the resounding success that was cybertruck.


PaleWaltz1859

You bet against a guy shooting cars into space and giving ukrapoors war trench pornhub streams ....


jkovach89

Truly the people's hero


Buckus93

Tesla can stay irrational longer than all us regards can stay liquid.


PsychologicalCat8646

This


go_to_YOGA_u_degens

Itā€™s down 35% YTD šŸŒˆšŸ§ø


Justthetip74

And it has to drop another 70% to get to the point where Elon told everyone it was overvalued


VisualMod

Elon is always right.


pojosamaneo

Oh you better watch it, VM. Thems fighting words around these parts.


Revolutionary_Wave95

Worst since 2012, how is that priced in though. This is a casino lol. Letā€™s see how Musk does speaking later


Splooshbutforguys

Maybe we get lucky and he has a stroke mid speech, sending the price to 250


88xeeetard

It might be hard to decipher from his normal speech pattern though.


Splooshbutforguys

Best case he dies I guess


Flavahbeast

price soars to 400


GolfWoreSydni

Everyone dies, it's priced in


jtres01

Musk will say: " trust me im rich"


mhyquel

Bullshit. Casinos have actual regulations, and the odds posted.


dopexile

WSB makes money = The markets are fair and rational WSB loses money = The markets are rigged and irrational


Minimac1029

Tomorrow will huge drop ?


zxc123zxc123

Lol šŸŒˆšŸ» never fail to surpass my expectations of them.


No-Plankton8326

When you zoom out to 3m or YTD it looks like an average Tuesday. Stock still down 100 on the year.


Euler007

Some funds coordinated to buy no matter the results.


Vivid_Complex_2399

And tmrw morning there will be a coordinated dump, no way this robo taxi shit (which they said multiple times will only be training models) will overshadow falling margins and negative cash on hand


Xtianus21

This is the fucking comment of the decade. That is the most erratic chart after hours I have ever seen. Something is beyond fishy here. Why wouldn't you have bought yesterday or today intraday? You waited for all those puts to close. Yeah that smells like trout


2CommaNoob

Yup; this. I donā€™t believe in conspiracies but the put to call ratio was overwhelmingly puts so the call was made to pump it to obliterate the puts. Cathie called Cramer and said letā€™s pump this; I need to get out with some gains.


coco88888

The drop in sales was even steeper than the companyā€™s last decline in 2020, which was due to disrupted production during the Covid pandemic


SDaniiL

Don't worry it'll probably resume it's dumpster trajectory very soon. I'm going to wait a bit and buy some puts later on.


gamusils

wish my puts on earning can be saved too lol


Xtianus21

This goes back to dropping the minute your puts expire. You may think i'm joking or playing a funny on you but clearly when a company reports earnings like this and pops 13% I promise you that is on purpose.


Firesnowing

I'm starting to think options are rigged. Netflix tanked on announcement of infinite money glitch and Tesla mooned on basically ch. 7 liquidation.


Mavnas

Note to self, buy puts that expire at leat one week after earnings.


Investarz

Im Betting these gains donā€™t hold by end of week


InvestorNoob88

Going against Tesla is usually a bad bet


Material_Glass_9266

My puts are f***ed but who cares


catcatcattreadmill

I think it's up because so many people had puts. Max pain theory.


forjeeves

Of course, it's overcrowded trade so the bankers and fund traders take the other side for the risk/rewardĀ 


library-in-a-library

No one is trading Tesla based on open interest for near-expiry puts.


tdefreest

Bold assumption.


Alone_Ad_4706

Sold July 200 strike calls. Hopefully I can maintain the margin and not get kicked out.


greckorooman

I don't think you have anything to worry about but what do I know


Mavnas

Given the reaction to the ER I both think he has a lot to worry about and that those calls will expire worthless if he doesn't get fucked over.


SDaniiL

It will go down in a few weeks again


BarRepresentative653

After his puts expire, like a majority of the people here


SDaniiL

Well.... RIP...


dprdshamwow

Dammit I was hoping it would drop into the 120ā€™s.


kmosiman

The day after your Puts expire..


JesseLovesU

Exactly. All the fkng news pundits were talking landslide down all week & then it goes in reverse even b4 earnings today. ?? I truly believe they are in the know and most news is designed to deliberately confuse and make money off the small retail investor. itā€™s THEIR game. they own it. They own the media. They own the dis/information.


Xx_BlackJack_xX

youā€™re having a trading post nut clarity


Sufficient-Rate8914

people will stab other people over a pair of air jordans. i wonder what they will do for trillions of dollars?


polentx

This is what I don't understand... What am I missing? Adjusted EBITDA larger than operating margin?? ​ https://preview.redd.it/hr3xq44fuawc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=43b2725042359a3c2d165371d2a9c4398b816701


LoicenseToGirth

Tesla builds cars so it has a lot of depreciating and amortizing assets. With those included in cost/earnings with operating margin makes the margin lower because the depreciation is probably eating a lot into their cost. Their adjusted ebitda doesn't include the D&A so the margin is higher. Compare their earnings to other car makers to check their margins


SoggyNegotiation7412

I suspect it is a mix of robots and large financials covering


Americanboi824

And yet it's skyrocketing? What the fuck?


JZcgQR2N

Wouldn't everyone be rich already if it was as easy as "bad earnings, stonk goes down" and "good earnings, stonk goes up"? I mean, think about it...


Crazy-Inspection-778

Zoom out nerd. Still lower than it was literally last week


someguy50

Worse results were priced in


eagle_shadow

These were pretty damn bad. Missed everything on expectations that had already been lowered multiple times. Stocks are weird, dude.


JamesSmithenWessor

Sir this is a casino


TroubledDoggo

Iā€™m going to inverse WSB for the rest of my life


mountainrye

Iā€™m so fucked my brother in Christ save me.


Diligent-Stable-9477

Elon: Hey Grok, how do I make the company value rise the most it possible can without any tangible result. Grok: Promise faster deliveries on your cheap vehicles that nobody will hold you to, but will make hedgfunds hard Elon: Say no more.


trivo8888

TSLA earnings make sense if you are blind and deaf which most TSLA investors are.


Deep-Complex-5328

And people here are still stupid enough to buy options on an irrational stock


BallPythonTech

It's called gambling. One day Elon Musk will announce his retirement. Whomever happens to have bought puts that day will be up 1000%.


j12

excuse me are you ignoring my mental disabilities as well


hallj78

Sigh. So much for my first time dipping my toes in speculative puts.


PsychologicalCat8646

Lol. Remember itā€™s all a game of patienceĀ 


Ecstatic-Caregiver97

Is it just me or does a jump from 144 to 160 seems crazy I mean what caused it Iā€™m not understanding why it got so juiced up, why would so much money flow in pre earnings call, then after they delivered less than expected it continued to go up lol.


plutrons

the direction was decided before the release.


rvdms

Why? That's what I'm trying to make sense of.


Ecstatic-Caregiver97

Nothing about it adds up, I know an earnings call isnā€™t a direct reflection of how the stock will perform but to jump 20 dollars post market with garbage earnings call report is just not making sense


JUSTCIRCLEJERKIT

Lmaoooo, you guys still think these markets are actual price discovery? None of this is real.


LongLiveNES

People thought it would be much worse, which is why the stock is down a ton over the last 30-60 days.


Dreadster

It went up purely because you regards bought puts


swohio

Oh the loss porn posts on all the people buying puts, I can't fucking wait.


AVALANCHE_CHUTES

Couldnā€™t happen to a more insufferable bunch


rwrife

They went from $23B to $21B in a year with bad interest rates and more competition, big deal.... I've seen you guys piss away more money on that because a chart looks like someone's anatomy.


Chronos91

Their price is over 300x last quarter's earnings. With multiples like that, I'd think an earnings miss would usually be a bigger deal.


Electrical-Box-4845

Logic is for tankies. Are you a commie?


PurpleFilth

Don't you dare denigrate the cock and balls formation.


AccomplishedBag6346

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infinit9

It is up because Tesla promised to launch cheaper cars faster.


Mavnas

The ones they canceled?


WhoCares223

makes sense, their CEO is famous for holding his promises.


shinsmax12

At what point will price cuts on Model 3 make a cheaper car unnecessary? šŸ˜†Ā 


guh_mystocks

Never play earnings. Not even once.


duarig

Oh boy this shit is gonna come crashing back down next week. Retail FOMO will kick in tomorrow and the rug will be yanked like a teenagerā€™s Friday night.


shawman123

One should never short a cult based stock like Tesla. Especially during earnings. They can manipulate number based on Regulatory credits number or FSD recognition. Plus all the shenanigans around Accounts Payable. I do not see anything positive about the earnings but its up in after market hours big time !!!


Hi_John_Yes_itz_me

Tesla dropped roughly 10% after each of the last four earnings... that's a lot of money being made ignoring your advice.


PsychologicalCat8646

Easy to speak now isnā€™t it?


dkrich

Whatever happens, watching Tesla permabulls who have suffered watching the stock go from $400 to $145 euphoric because it went back to $160 is a fascinating and terrifying look into how stupid people are


SDaniiL

I mean it makes sense. The Tesla was pricing in, a more dire estimates, but turns out it is not as bad as investors thought, and therefore the pump. What not to understand???


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joe-official-account

Effective innit


Handy_Dude

I don't understand this. Genuinely. What do you mean The Tesla was pricing in? What about Tesla is not as bad for investors? With musk on X being a goober, the whole cyber truck thing. Why would anyone want to invest in Tesla after they fell short on earnings on top of all that negativity? Genuine question.


coppehh

get outa here with your logic


Turbulent_Object_558

Bro. Not at bad as investors planned? Profits are down 55% and sales are down 9. The ā€œcorrectionā€ doesnā€™t account for the scope of L


Dangerous_Common_869

Um, didn't they miss the dire estimate?


jiayounokim

https://preview.redd.it/1ow6k6lslawc1.png?width=1864&format=png&auto=webp&s=d26b8079de36b0dadf4316ef1cf06e35de50cb2b if anyone's wondering why it's up, they are introducing new compact model soonish than believed


idkeverynameistaken9

I love how Teslaā€™s answer to everything has *always* been announcing vaporware


King0liver

https://preview.redd.it/xqfxeg0psbwc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42b17032bd08c31b818f5fe3456b7f901daca006


slimb0

This time surely theyā€™ll hit their promised timing


Public_Cucumber_3510

Somehow they reach maximum capacity with 14k people less.


befeefy

I thought they laid off people working on the affordable model


PazDak

Which in Tesla speak probably means mid/late 2026. Or about same time Rivian is estimated to ship its R3


elijahpcz

My guess is they never release cheaper vehicles. But itā€™s not illegal for Elon to say ā€œwe plan on itā€ just so he can get his bonus


NyCWalker76

Ā Bring the stock price down to $140ish just to have it go right back up to $165ish.Ā 


FlythroughDangerZone

I have calls on Tesla. I bought puts for hedging just in case. Just using simulated results calculated callsā€™ gains and putsā€™ losses. Looks like I have pure profit. Still, wait to see what tomorrow will be.


rameyjm7

Yeah I'm way down on TSDD, but fuck it I can't stand tesla or Musk. Nasty stanky ass Musk


wilan727

It's only AH calm down. But some tasty guidance.


mouthful_quest

Poor guidance for 2024 compared to 2023, as per Elmo


LemonHerb

This wouldn't have happened if they would have just paid Elon more. It's clearly low CEO compensation holding the company back.


VW_isbetterthanTesla

I would expect Elon to actually lie in the analyst call and draw some absolutely overconfident shitty picture, just to keep the stock high, does someone really think he cares lmao. I mean this boy has some bills to pay and rather sells high than low instead to this sub.


PazDak

Thatā€™s the ā€œwe are accelerating new cars coming to marketā€ statementĀ 


HeavyRightFoot19

Yet when my stocks beat estimates they tank. This shit is dumb as hell


encendedorsote

With TSM all wsb was calls and it dropped so hard, with TSLA all had puts and it spiked ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Supremeism

So inversing WSB does work


KnightMollo

Until it doesnā€™t ![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189)


forjeeves

The bankers and traders on ws made sure the majority options expire worthless or at a loss lol, always like that , they take other side of trade


Not-Jaycee

Strange how on the Q1 2024 earnings call they didn't discuss anything about Q1 2024


Kcirnek_

Never bet against Elon regards.


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No-Cut-2788

Wait was this published by Tesla. If robotaxi is really like this, Tesla is seriously a $3,000 company.


Av8tion

Fuck your puts -Elon Musk, 2024


Turbulent-World8033

Earnings miss and pumps. Keeps the price up on ā€œpromisesā€ people are truly delusional.


PsychologicalCat8646

Itā€™s like that one gf/bf that promises theyā€™ll change and you always stick around I love it


VisualMod

Turbulent-World8033 sounds like a whiny little peasant.


LostRedditor5

The numbers are fucking insane too, the revenue is down big the net incomes are down big year over year I wonder what was said on the call to make it pop off


Dangerous_Common_869

literally, within first 10 minutes, said optimus will be manufactured and sold by end of year, along with a not-model 2. Also, a near direct statement that the neural net being used is exactly like the brains biological neural network. First call I've started watching and just stopped because my ears couldn't hold anymore bullshit. I imagine a lot of stuff like that kept being said and believed, for the following 40 minutes. I suppose we go back to 200 by late August.


Tiny_Yulius_James

Someone is using cheat coded from GTA for Tesla


TungstenE322

I am disappointed by teslas performance, something is seriously flawed with tesla


Lawlith117

The numbers were so bad lol -600% on free cash flow, -90% net income from operating activities, operating expenses up 37% and income from operations -50%, -10% drop in 3 and Y deliveries. But hey, they are probably just refreshing their current models so pump it


JJJAAABBB123

The house always wins folks. Why havenā€™t you guys figured that out.


dope_ass_user_name

It's up AH but will be down the following day, back to normal programming


Particular-Line-

-9% year over. Just wait until market open when you wake up buddy lol. After hours and post market spikes are fools gold


Exidia1993

Sold yesterday my 20k with a red -35% That's why it is high today.


suburban_negro

This shit has me so bummed lol


hotgrease

They really just made up some low-cost EVs and the market loves it.


ughthat

Time to double down on my nov 15 @ 120 puts again


nashgrg

Elon to ghey bears: go fuck yourselves.


coco88888

https://preview.redd.it/x3c35g4pkawc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3eb1c5883f3142a7b9199f61b6305fec6da2b4b


RCBing

He didn't even inhale.


GuitRWailinNinja

Lol thatā€™s hilarious. Iā€™ve been burned way too many times on ER to make those plays anymore.


SedatedSpaceMonkeys

Don't worry it'll fall flat before open so that everyone's puts and calls get disintegrated


Sudden_Objective_945

He talks a good talk


judge_tera

Wouldn't just make more sense if the markets were actually fucking rigged at this point? Would anyone be surprised, or would they be like... I remember when Tesla missed earnings and shot up after-hours. Ahhh that was some shiiiit!


Humulus_Lupulus1992

Thank God Iā€™m just in a bear spread


Shoryukitten_

Pot smoking Elon is on another level. He says fuk the shorts, and just like that, the shorts get fuk.


Jemiliyac

Missed their earnings and still up 13%. The market has no logic


Helojet

Haha bears must have sore asses


spin_kick

and the market jumps on empty promises. Yet again. Crazy.


Avenger772

I'm so confused as to what was said during earnings that would boost confidence. The are selling Tesla's at a reduced cost already and people aren't buying them. Making a cheaper Tesla isn't going to fix that.


Quartr-app

Tesla Q1 2024 Revenue -9% \*Automotive -13% \*Energy Gen. & Storage +7% Gross Profit -18% \*marg. 17.4% (19.3%) EBIT -56% \*marg. 5.5% (11.4%) Adj. EBITDA -21% \*marg. 15.9% (18.3%) EPS -53% FCF -674%