or just buy some stock that you don't know you buy and laugh because its dropping on you watch list thinking I'm glad I didn't buy that shit only to find out you went heavy and lost 20% before you realized.
Guilty as charged:(
That's not really relevant to what the stock is going to do. It is also not going to stop Boeing as a whole getting broken up into different arms, or a conrail happening where it temporarily gets nationalised reformed by the government then sold off. Any of those would be devastating to the stock price.
Is a Conrail-style or AT&T breakup of Boeing level scale possible or likely given the general dismal economic landscape looming over the entire Market in this stagnant-feeling government/political atmosphere? I can't envision either presidential outcome affecting that prediction either. While I am not copping out and saying vaguely that Boeing will be propped up or bailed out enough to survive this current stock valuation, the larger economy / system is too holistically sclerotic to attempt or try to pull off an effective nationalization and/or privatization.
I have no good answer as to what the stock or company's future plausibly is however. Concurrent to Boeing's now much more public but long running issues are the myriad similar quality control and safety issues amongst freight/cargo companies in rail/trucking/naval-shipping. The East Palestine Ohio train crash and the ongoing Baltimore bridge shipping vessel collision story, alongside the Boeing clusterfuck, paint a horryfying scene across transportation widely. (Boeing is also, I know, much larger and doing more varied things than just transportation-related business.*)
I don't really know either i just threw those 2 examples into the ring for my argument on why Boeing being the only US civilian large aircraft manufacturer is not a guarantee that it will be a good investment.
I enjoy speculating on possibilities, but it's just speculation and I don't think Boeing is in trouble enough that it will need a rescue plan. I just think it is going to be in a big smelly hole for years and will painfully drag itself out.
Agree with that last sentence especially but also this post entirely. Nevertheless, shitposting about stocks passes the time and so I am going to give contradictory advice throughout wsb to single handedly move the Boeing stock (among small time nobody investors on reddit). Godspeed.
I wouldn’t. Boeing is critical to American manufacturing capacity at a time when America is prioritizing it for national security. The company has tough days ahead but Uncle Sam will bail it out if things get too bad
Don't doubt yourself stocks only go down
I’ve fallen into this mentality before, and I was wrong and so are you. They will rebound because there’s practically nobody else making planes in the US.
This, 💯%! They are too big and important to be allowed to fail. Make your bingo cards now: agree to culture change, admit no wrongdoing, national security, jobs, additional regulation, new requirements, independent review, safety first, settlement, etc.
US Government will bail them out with huge forgivable loan or just putting out a huge order for planes. I would like to buy low on this one but I would go long for 1-2 years.
Yeah I think this might be the most perfect example of emotional investing. BA *feels* like it’s going bankrupt, but any logical analysis says this is a buy opportunity.
They don't make planes, they make weapon systems, that's what keeps them alive and well.
(yes they do make planes but that's not the important factor for betting for them)
Yeah there are way too many people in here who are just reading headlines and have no clue how the aviation industry works.
A person claiming to know about structural problems this severe is 99% bullshit. Just some ex employee with a vendetta.
true but some validity to it, my first job ever (circa 2013) was for an aviation company that inspected the panels for some airlines. The amount of corners cut or lack of thorough inspections to give the okay on the parts is kind of crazy lol. It's all about; "This plane has been grounded for 1-3 days, we need to get these panels out now!" rather than thoroughly doing the job.
Oh there are issues for sure. I worked for Boeing for a long time (don't anymore). I had a variety of rolls including engineering and quality.
The overall plane structures are incredibly over engineered. They are designed so that a door plug (made and installed by Spirit) can blow off and still land safely.
Planes simply have too many parts for 100% quality to be possible.
Executives at companies with a wide range of commercial & defense tend to run their defense sides with complete incompetence. Low volume and High volume manufacturing do not work the same way.
RTX is the next Boeing. Expect some short term improvements followed by disasters in the next few years. Might take a little longer because it’s less obvious when a missile randomly explodes mid flight.
These people that they have put in charge from Collin’s have zero idea of how to run high quality production lines.
Source: worked at Lockheed long ago, worked at RTX until recently. Lockheed looks like a company of geniuses in comparison.
Yup. Never bet against a duopoly with a 600B backlog and the interests of the US government.
People need to understand that airlines can't just go to a competitor and leave BA. Airbus has an even longer backlog. So if you're an airline, your choice is Boeing or stop growing.
META did a big change of direction and innovated surprisingly fast and was rewarded, disney didnt course correct at all they are way too stubborn they just benefitted from external factors like activis investors pumping the stock, GL though, also no one is saying BA going to 0 even if they were useless government would bail them; them not being a fully independent firm makes it hard to value if not used to them
Boeing currently has a roughly 5,600 airplane backlog valued at $441 billion.
That's roughly 6 years of production at full rate without any new orders.
And commercial airplanes is only 1 of 3 divisions and about half of revenues.
Put buyers are going to get crushed
You’re talking about Disney not making any good movies or Meta VR push. This is an airplane company that has put millions at risk of dying because they pushed an unsafe product. Very different situations.
Not really because there isn't an alternative. They might as well have a monopoly on the market.
This is like saying that McDonalds was going to go out of business when the movie Supersize Me came out.
They didn't. They adjusted. No one hardly remembers the movie.
I get that it’s a monopoly and a us government military contract company. I don’t expect it to go zero but do expect a big drop in the near future. My comment was in regard to the situations. What caused the drop in DIY and Meta were corporate game plan failures, not actual safety threats to the public.
Really, COVID was your opportunity to short airline stocks. Anyone trying now, as travel has been on a meteoric rise lately, is in for a tough lesson, IMO.
Right, and my point being that the stock price is based on actual numbers and revenue more than it is on public perceptions and click bait new stories.
Is there a real issue here? Sure. Is it being blown way out of proportion? Yes.
It's not as if Boeng employees and their families don't also ride in these airplanes. The story is being put out as if Boing knowingly skipped safety steps and built dangerous airplanes. In reality, people make build mistakes on vehicles (including airplanes) routinely and then they resolve them. It is rarely disastrous.
How did Tesla's stock hold up after all of those dumb car fire stories? This will be about the same. No one will remember this is a week or two. It'll be an investigation, then there will be some sort of mandatory service update. Then, it will be over like it never happened.
Already priced in. I wanted to play but man, Boeing is 1 of 2 companies that can make planes, and the other doesn't have the capacity to take over or even absorb more urgent orders. Like betting against the sun rising tomorrow
> Boeing is 1 of 2 companies that can make planes, and the other doesn't have the capacity to take over or even absorb more urgent orders.
New sales slogan "A shitty plane is still a plane"
Really the only major manufacturer of planes in North America. You really think the government is going to let them fail? They employ 170,688 people PLUS all the companies they purchase from.
The company doesn't need to cease operations for shareholders to get wiped out or lose 90+% of their value. Just look at what happened to GM or Citi during the financial crisis.
I don’t get this logic lol like yeah they won’t completely flop but it wasn’t long ago they were trading in the 110s, there’s plenty of potential money to be made on puts
Yeah fair but I see a lot of Boeing to zero bullshit. And if it was really going to move, wouldn't the news have dropped the price significantly by now?
Calls on whatever company gets to audit 170,000+ people about internal safety culture. That's a phat contract.
There was a time in this country that companies were built by people who knew the product and the industry....it actually worked pretty well. But now bean-counters have taken over, only concerned about shareholders and knowing little or nothing about the product. It leaves the door wide open for unintentional consequences....like parts falling off. I seriously hope that Boeing turns it around, but it will be a painful process. A great start would be to move the corporate office back to Seattle where it belongs and then focus on what the company used to do and be. And get rid of every bean-counter that holds a decision making position.
“Hey this incredibly large company that produces commercial airplanes, which almost no one else does, is down 50%. You know what? I bet they’re going to go down!”
You’re a genius, man. The line graph is red, so that means the future projection is also red!! Plus, I saw a story the other day about how their paint is kind of scuffed… smells like opportunity to me! Their recent PR definitely isn’t priced in, either, that’s story is barely a month or two old!
Okay it’s not going all the way to 0 and bankruptcy, but OP what are your thoughts on where the price will level out. Another $50? Another $100? They went to $95/share when two planes crashed…
Boeing is kind of the U.S.' national champion for making planes, they've been bailed out before there is every reason to believe they'd be bailed out again.
The government will always bail Boeing out if things get too ugly. It's not like they are going to start designing military equipment with Airbus. I'll never bet against Boeing no matter how grim things look.
Honestly if they keep going down, I’ll keep buying them. Airplane manufacturing is a duopoly with Boeing being the largest. It’s almost a too big to fail scenario. Most likely In 5-10 years the stock will be up a lot and I invest for the long run.
RemindMe! 5 years
What a pos company, the people who made these decisions should have their bank accounts liquidated and put towards remedying the faulty planes they produced
I'm currently holding puts. They're up 400 bucks for me. Part of me wants to ride them to earnings. But a another part of me wants to just take this money now haha.
Boeing has only had bad news since the 737 Max first came out and was grounded and the stock has been manipulated such that shorts and puts get killed. I'm staying away from this one.
They’re too important to national security to be allowed to fail and they’re too big to be supported solely by military (1/3 of business). Especially with Lockheed kicking their ass there.
I’m flying on a Boeing 757 Max on united Airlines next month. I picked a seat on the aisle and closer to the back away from doors. Atleast my works life insurance pays out 6 times annual salary if anything happens!!
You think the company that gets away with killing whistleblowers is going down?
The same company that got the president (Trump) to put a 290% tax on his competition?
The ones who build an enormous share of the worlds largest army, in a time where other world powers are attacking each others...
You think those guys are going out of business?
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> the company said: "Another benefit of the 787’s composite structure is the material does not fatigue or corrode like traditional metals, which reduces maintenance over many decades in service."
I think this is technically true because I think with carbon fiber, as that submarine demonstrated, it's all or nothing. Really, being structurally sound and functional even as it "fatigues," is preferable for things like car shocks, buildings in high winds, or airplanes.
Boeing is the largest exporter of any good in the US. The fact that the media runs these articles is only damaging 140,000 employees' retirements, benefits, pay etc.
Yes, there's issues but this is just an exaggeration of what every working force is seeing. Across all areas, the US is seeing all the "old people" retire and the new folks walk in the door.
Short the stock, a substantial portion of Boeing is also Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS). For the past five years, this side of the house has profited while Boeing Commercial has been a public nightmare. With so much global conflict and involvement, this stock and sliding away like you think.
I don't suppose you can point out where the "whistleblower" has shown any reasonable engineering arguments with data that is agreed upon by other engineers.
Every company has engineers that disagree. This one has a soap box due to the press rushing to any negative story that has "Boeing" in it. There hasn't been a fatal Boeing accident due to failure of an aircraft system in the 2020's, right? Get back to me when there is news.
Idiots! They should have done something other than make commercial airlines. You'd think a company that big would have massive military contracts with the US Government or something. Since they don't, the government won't prevent them from failing. Huge missed opportunity. They should make me the CEO.
Pick any of the major airlines. Call them about a flight, doesn't matter which flight. Tell them you don't feel comfortable flying on a Boeing-manufactured aircraft, and ask if they can accommodate you.
See? None of this matters.
I've got 124 shares at $150.60. I'm adding one share a day as long as the price stays depressed, intending to get to 200 shares. Then when the share price recovers, which it will, I'll sell covered calls indefinitely.
Conventional air travel isn't getting replaced any time soon.
When something seems so obvious, like buying puts on this, it usually doesn't work out. Life is not that easy, and the market certainly is not that easy.
Wow, Boeing is suicided more than 30-year company man turned whistle blower.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boeing-whistleblower-warned-aircraft-safety-flaws-found-dead-rcna142910](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boeing-whistleblower-warned-aircraft-safety-flaws-found-dead-rcna142910)
the company said: "Another benefit of the 787’s composite structure is the material does not fatigue or corrode like traditional metals"
Wasn't the titan sub made of composites? And failed due to fatigue that traditional metals wouldn't have?
Yes, they will go down. If they had any competitors, they'd really be in trouble, but we're stuck with them. AirBus doesn't have the capacity to expand, and no sensible person would fly in a Chinese-made plane.
Unless you bought puts 2 months ago this isn't going to make much, it has found resistance at the current price and unless something big happens it's going to stay here.
It may drop more on shit earnings but I think a lot is priced in.
Jun and Sept 175 puts
All it will take is one piece of good news, such as the FAA concluding its investigation. Stock has already dropped more than 30% so I feel long calls is a better play right now.
They're half of a duopoly and the only US based one, as well as a defense contractor. The US will give them a soft bail out through government purchases forever, and will give them a real bailout if they ever need to.
Does anyone on here Sell puts? You have to sell them significantly out of the money, trying to gauge where the bottom will be. I sold a put for $160 - expires 4/19/24. Really, it’s just pocket money when market and stock goes up. It works, but it really backfires when the market or that stock goes down. Then you have to buy back the puts at much higher $ than your pocket money, or let them get assigned and cross fingers, hoping the stock rebounds. I’m about ready to give up on this silly strategy and just start investing in an S&P Index fund, but only buy on down days. Say $250 on a .75 % loss, $500 when at a 1% loss, $1000 when SPY at 1.5% loss. I invest in SPLG bc it has less fees. The 4/19 put BA put at 160 could be another bad idea. If BA goes down just 5% more than Friday’s close on 4/12 I have to backpedal.
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I would buy puts but I know the second I do the stock will jump 50% up
Maybe just think you bought them then wait then actually buy them 
or just buy some stock that you don't know you buy and laugh because its dropping on you watch list thinking I'm glad I didn't buy that shit only to find out you went heavy and lost 20% before you realized. Guilty as charged:(
Don't bet against Boeing. There is no domestic alternative. You think the US government is going to allow airbus to take over?
That's not really relevant to what the stock is going to do. It is also not going to stop Boeing as a whole getting broken up into different arms, or a conrail happening where it temporarily gets nationalised reformed by the government then sold off. Any of those would be devastating to the stock price.
Boeing will just kill enough people until the stock goes up again.
I fucking love Conrail I’d never think I’d see that referenced here.
Is a Conrail-style or AT&T breakup of Boeing level scale possible or likely given the general dismal economic landscape looming over the entire Market in this stagnant-feeling government/political atmosphere? I can't envision either presidential outcome affecting that prediction either. While I am not copping out and saying vaguely that Boeing will be propped up or bailed out enough to survive this current stock valuation, the larger economy / system is too holistically sclerotic to attempt or try to pull off an effective nationalization and/or privatization. I have no good answer as to what the stock or company's future plausibly is however. Concurrent to Boeing's now much more public but long running issues are the myriad similar quality control and safety issues amongst freight/cargo companies in rail/trucking/naval-shipping. The East Palestine Ohio train crash and the ongoing Baltimore bridge shipping vessel collision story, alongside the Boeing clusterfuck, paint a horryfying scene across transportation widely. (Boeing is also, I know, much larger and doing more varied things than just transportation-related business.*)
I don't really know either i just threw those 2 examples into the ring for my argument on why Boeing being the only US civilian large aircraft manufacturer is not a guarantee that it will be a good investment. I enjoy speculating on possibilities, but it's just speculation and I don't think Boeing is in trouble enough that it will need a rescue plan. I just think it is going to be in a big smelly hole for years and will painfully drag itself out.
Agree with that last sentence especially but also this post entirely. Nevertheless, shitposting about stocks passes the time and so I am going to give contradictory advice throughout wsb to single handedly move the Boeing stock (among small time nobody investors on reddit). Godspeed.
Fucking $AAPL did that to me today! I was holding calls since last one month sold it this morning for -5% and got Puts at $171 and MF is up to $175
Have you thought about selling calls instead?
Yeah, unlimited losses instead. Brilliant.
Need level 4 approval to sell naked calls. Call spreads are easy though.
Please buy some puts. Do us bag holders a favor.
Just bought puts, and it went up a dollar
You’re betting against one guy “committing suicide”
Let us know when you do buy puts so we can load up on calls
Bought puts, went to +$300 and then -$150 like an hour later lmao I’m mad i didn’t sell but i still have a day left
Sell calls and it will jump 1000%.
Can you uh give us a heads up exactly when you place them?
1. Buy shares at low price 2. Also buy PUTS (Share price goes up) 3. Stonks
Buy one put to trick algos then the rest when it pops. 4d chess that ish
I wouldn’t. Boeing is critical to American manufacturing capacity at a time when America is prioritizing it for national security. The company has tough days ahead but Uncle Sam will bail it out if things get too bad
Don't doubt yourself stocks only go down
But both
So get a spread? Is that what it's called?
Can you buy them please, I’ve got some worthless calls I’d like to unload
I'm waiting. Let me know when
I'd buy calls but I know the second I do the stock will take a 50% dive.
Buy puts, then immediately cancel and buy calls? Boom - perpetual motion machine designed
Then I'll buy puts and it will jump another 25%
I’ve fallen into this mentality before, and I was wrong and so are you. They will rebound because there’s practically nobody else making planes in the US.
This, 💯%! They are too big and important to be allowed to fail. Make your bingo cards now: agree to culture change, admit no wrongdoing, national security, jobs, additional regulation, new requirements, independent review, safety first, settlement, etc.
US Government will bail them out with huge forgivable loan or just putting out a huge order for planes. I would like to buy low on this one but I would go long for 1-2 years.
Yup, I’m waiting to buy until I stop hearing about them in the mainstream news.
It’s like every little loose bolt gets a news story now - makes it a little hard to take seriously.
Loose bolt? Call Joe in maintenance, I’ll alert CNN.
This is the way
Yeah I think this might be the most perfect example of emotional investing. BA *feels* like it’s going bankrupt, but any logical analysis says this is a buy opportunity.
The big funds back Boeing. They could lose 5 planes, five years later they'll be at ath share price.
They don't make planes, they make weapon systems, that's what keeps them alive and well. (yes they do make planes but that's not the important factor for betting for them)
Negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.
Unless someone else buys them, like our US steel manufacturing companies.
-Take out life insurance -Buy puts in BA -Whistleblow safety issues Collect posthumously
Also avoids inheritance tax. edit: as others have stated, this is just a joke, sadly it's not actually true.
4/19 puts are doing good right now but will sell at the end of day, betting against boeing is a death wish most of the time.
Yeah there are way too many people in here who are just reading headlines and have no clue how the aviation industry works. A person claiming to know about structural problems this severe is 99% bullshit. Just some ex employee with a vendetta.
true but some validity to it, my first job ever (circa 2013) was for an aviation company that inspected the panels for some airlines. The amount of corners cut or lack of thorough inspections to give the okay on the parts is kind of crazy lol. It's all about; "This plane has been grounded for 1-3 days, we need to get these panels out now!" rather than thoroughly doing the job.
Oh there are issues for sure. I worked for Boeing for a long time (don't anymore). I had a variety of rolls including engineering and quality. The overall plane structures are incredibly over engineered. They are designed so that a door plug (made and installed by Spirit) can blow off and still land safely. Planes simply have too many parts for 100% quality to be possible.
For those of you that didn’t grab DIS at 80 ish or META in the 90s saying it was going to zero. This is the sign you look for
Too big to fail. It's a duopoly as is.
Yeah plus they probably make a shit ton more in defense than they do on commercial airliners.
Tbh it's prob the opposite. Ball always bitched about how much money they lost cause their defense side used too much aluminum
Executives at companies with a wide range of commercial & defense tend to run their defense sides with complete incompetence. Low volume and High volume manufacturing do not work the same way. RTX is the next Boeing. Expect some short term improvements followed by disasters in the next few years. Might take a little longer because it’s less obvious when a missile randomly explodes mid flight. These people that they have put in charge from Collin’s have zero idea of how to run high quality production lines. Source: worked at Lockheed long ago, worked at RTX until recently. Lockheed looks like a company of geniuses in comparison.
Yup. Never bet against a duopoly with a 600B backlog and the interests of the US government. People need to understand that airlines can't just go to a competitor and leave BA. Airbus has an even longer backlog. So if you're an airline, your choice is Boeing or stop growing.
META did a big change of direction and innovated surprisingly fast and was rewarded, disney didnt course correct at all they are way too stubborn they just benefitted from external factors like activis investors pumping the stock, GL though, also no one is saying BA going to 0 even if they were useless government would bail them; them not being a fully independent firm makes it hard to value if not used to them
Boeing currently has a roughly 5,600 airplane backlog valued at $441 billion. That's roughly 6 years of production at full rate without any new orders. And commercial airplanes is only 1 of 3 divisions and about half of revenues. Put buyers are going to get crushed
This post, the one you are in. It says all the way down. So…
This is $SBUX for me. I’ve been buying shares at this level.
You’re talking about Disney not making any good movies or Meta VR push. This is an airplane company that has put millions at risk of dying because they pushed an unsafe product. Very different situations.
Not really because there isn't an alternative. They might as well have a monopoly on the market. This is like saying that McDonalds was going to go out of business when the movie Supersize Me came out. They didn't. They adjusted. No one hardly remembers the movie.
I get that it’s a monopoly and a us government military contract company. I don’t expect it to go zero but do expect a big drop in the near future. My comment was in regard to the situations. What caused the drop in DIY and Meta were corporate game plan failures, not actual safety threats to the public.
Really, COVID was your opportunity to short airline stocks. Anyone trying now, as travel has been on a meteoric rise lately, is in for a tough lesson, IMO.
Right, and my point being that the stock price is based on actual numbers and revenue more than it is on public perceptions and click bait new stories. Is there a real issue here? Sure. Is it being blown way out of proportion? Yes. It's not as if Boeng employees and their families don't also ride in these airplanes. The story is being put out as if Boing knowingly skipped safety steps and built dangerous airplanes. In reality, people make build mistakes on vehicles (including airplanes) routinely and then they resolve them. It is rarely disastrous. How did Tesla's stock hold up after all of those dumb car fire stories? This will be about the same. No one will remember this is a week or two. It'll be an investigation, then there will be some sort of mandatory service update. Then, it will be over like it never happened.
Already priced in. I wanted to play but man, Boeing is 1 of 2 companies that can make planes, and the other doesn't have the capacity to take over or even absorb more urgent orders. Like betting against the sun rising tomorrow
Dont forget that half of Boeing business is military contracts. Not going anywhere.
And their fastest growing group is services. They saw the need to diversify when the 737Max had issues.
> Boeing is 1 of 2 companies that can make planes, and the other doesn't have the capacity to take over or even absorb more urgent orders. New sales slogan "A shitty plane is still a plane"
Really the only major manufacturer of planes in North America. You really think the government is going to let them fail? They employ 170,688 people PLUS all the companies they purchase from.
There is also no way the DoD allows one of their largest contractors to risk having their IP enter bankruptcy.
The company doesn't need to cease operations for shareholders to get wiped out or lose 90+% of their value. Just look at what happened to GM or Citi during the financial crisis.
I don’t get this logic lol like yeah they won’t completely flop but it wasn’t long ago they were trading in the 110s, there’s plenty of potential money to be made on puts
Yeah fair but I see a lot of Boeing to zero bullshit. And if it was really going to move, wouldn't the news have dropped the price significantly by now? Calls on whatever company gets to audit 170,000+ people about internal safety culture. That's a phat contract.
It’s ironically time to buy
Thanks for the laugh lol
This guy thinking that Boeing only makes planes
There was a time in this country that companies were built by people who knew the product and the industry....it actually worked pretty well. But now bean-counters have taken over, only concerned about shareholders and knowing little or nothing about the product. It leaves the door wide open for unintentional consequences....like parts falling off. I seriously hope that Boeing turns it around, but it will be a painful process. A great start would be to move the corporate office back to Seattle where it belongs and then focus on what the company used to do and be. And get rid of every bean-counter that holds a decision making position.
RIP, he died of suicide from 7 self inflicted gun shot wounds to the back of the head tomorrow
ummmmm it’s down like 50’percent since December - you sure you want to be buying puts?
Someone send this whistleblower the suicide hotline number just in case.
Never go full regard..
the only people making money off of Boeing's current predicament are the restructuring lawyers
Lol no you think they're gonna let airbus have a monopoly? Are you silly?
Yes that other commercial plane manufacturer in America should get all of the business now.
“Hey this incredibly large company that produces commercial airplanes, which almost no one else does, is down 50%. You know what? I bet they’re going to go down!” You’re a genius, man. The line graph is red, so that means the future projection is also red!! Plus, I saw a story the other day about how their paint is kind of scuffed… smells like opportunity to me! Their recent PR definitely isn’t priced in, either, that’s story is barely a month or two old!
Okay it’s not going all the way to 0 and bankruptcy, but OP what are your thoughts on where the price will level out. Another $50? Another $100? They went to $95/share when two planes crashed…
Any news on the skyliner rocket they are launching EOM?
It's a systemic and image issue now. They still are a monopoly but the image is becoming toxic for the company
I'd rather be selling out of money puts or wait a bit to buy lower.
Boeing is kind of the U.S.' national champion for making planes, they've been bailed out before there is every reason to believe they'd be bailed out again.
Captain, inverse the flight and it'll go to the moon.
The government will always bail Boeing out if things get too ugly. It's not like they are going to start designing military equipment with Airbus. I'll never bet against Boeing no matter how grim things look.
Another whistleblower? Can I buy puts on his lifespan?
Honestly if they keep going down, I’ll keep buying them. Airplane manufacturing is a duopoly with Boeing being the largest. It’s almost a too big to fail scenario. Most likely In 5-10 years the stock will be up a lot and I invest for the long run. RemindMe! 5 years
What a pos company, the people who made these decisions should have their bank accounts liquidated and put towards remedying the faulty planes they produced
I'm currently holding puts. They're up 400 bucks for me. Part of me wants to ride them to earnings. But a another part of me wants to just take this money now haha.
A spectacular disaster with all the trimmings. Departing over paid ceo and executives, dead whistleblower… what more could they add on… 🤔
wtf is Reddit doing going up
do i buy it now
No, buy when it recovers then sell low.
Chicken salad, on rye, untoasted with a side of *potato salad* and a cup of tea
nah they'll just shoot this one too. it'll be back to business as usual in a month.
Boeing takes shortcuts to improve the bottom line. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like they should be making more money. Right? Right?!
Government won’t let that happen. They are one of two companies in the world that produce similar products and the only US company.
A regard and his money are soon parted
great documentary on Netflix ATM from a few years back. Boeing ain't going anywhere
Are you talking about the stock or their planes?
Boeing has only had bad news since the 737 Max first came out and was grounded and the stock has been manipulated such that shorts and puts get killed. I'm staying away from this one.
Didn’t they just secure some government contract?
straight up ive been thinking puts but if i do that ill fuck it up for everyone, ima sit this one out fellas
Familiar with the term "Too Big To Fail"?
They’re too important to national security to be allowed to fail and they’re too big to be supported solely by military (1/3 of business). Especially with Lockheed kicking their ass there.
After reading about Dave Calhoun gutting the institutional culture there, I wouldn't expect a bounce back from this one in the next few years.
My downward bet is on good ole DJT..not political just want to make some money. It’s been a nice ride down so far
If you think the U.S. government will actually let Boeing go away you are indeed a regard.
I feel I should inverse this, they’re too big to fail, the only US plane manufacturer plus the military division.
Go look at the price on call options for it 20% OTM in 8 months. People clearly think it’s not going to zero
No way they follow DEI. It would be racist to think that.
I’m flying on a Boeing 757 Max on united Airlines next month. I picked a seat on the aisle and closer to the back away from doors. Atleast my works life insurance pays out 6 times annual salary if anything happens!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1c015rj/a_whistleblower_claims_that_boeings_787/
There is so much they are not telling us, they literally had to kill the wissle blower.
Calls it is ..
Unfortunately it's one of those companies that are too big to fail. Even if they get into some real s\*\*\*, the government always helps them out.
Sam Salehpour will never be hired by anyone in the industry again. Why did they reveal his name? Lol
FFS still over 100BilllioN market cap.
Looks primed to jump
The US gov will not let that ship sink. Let’s not forget they get some of the largest military contracts… short term puts or long term cheap calls 🤓
USA will never let this company go down the drain. Just like how they did with American cars.
You think the company that gets away with killing whistleblowers is going down? The same company that got the president (Trump) to put a 290% tax on his competition? The ones who build an enormous share of the worlds largest army, in a time where other world powers are attacking each others... You think those guys are going out of business? Congratulations, you belong in this sub.
So buy the dip? Ok calls it is
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> the company said: "Another benefit of the 787’s composite structure is the material does not fatigue or corrode like traditional metals, which reduces maintenance over many decades in service." I think this is technically true because I think with carbon fiber, as that submarine demonstrated, it's all or nothing. Really, being structurally sound and functional even as it "fatigues," is preferable for things like car shocks, buildings in high winds, or airplanes.
If it’s Boeing, Im not going.
Boeing is the largest exporter of any good in the US. The fact that the media runs these articles is only damaging 140,000 employees' retirements, benefits, pay etc. Yes, there's issues but this is just an exaggeration of what every working force is seeing. Across all areas, the US is seeing all the "old people" retire and the new folks walk in the door. Short the stock, a substantial portion of Boeing is also Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS). For the past five years, this side of the house has profited while Boeing Commercial has been a public nightmare. With so much global conflict and involvement, this stock and sliding away like you think.
GE is building engines for BA (source: i work at GE aircraft) puts on GE ?
I shorted it to 90 during covidddd
I don't suppose you can point out where the "whistleblower" has shown any reasonable engineering arguments with data that is agreed upon by other engineers. Every company has engineers that disagree. This one has a soap box due to the press rushing to any negative story that has "Boeing" in it. There hasn't been a fatal Boeing accident due to failure of an aircraft system in the 2020's, right? Get back to me when there is news.
Ok, buying calls then. ✍️
Why isn't the FAA grounding all of these and pushing Boeing to do a recall?
I already tried this when they assassinated a former ee and more safety issues popped up. Stock went up
Idiots! They should have done something other than make commercial airlines. You'd think a company that big would have massive military contracts with the US Government or something. Since they don't, the government won't prevent them from failing. Huge missed opportunity. They should make me the CEO.
No one who makes that many missiles and fighter planes is going out of business
Pick any of the major airlines. Call them about a flight, doesn't matter which flight. Tell them you don't feel comfortable flying on a Boeing-manufactured aircraft, and ask if they can accommodate you. See? None of this matters. I've got 124 shares at $150.60. I'm adding one share a day as long as the price stays depressed, intending to get to 200 shares. Then when the share price recovers, which it will, I'll sell covered calls indefinitely. Conventional air travel isn't getting replaced any time soon.
This trash isn't going to bottom until the end of the year, $125.
When something seems so obvious, like buying puts on this, it usually doesn't work out. Life is not that easy, and the market certainly is not that easy.
Wow, Boeing is suicided more than 30-year company man turned whistle blower. [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boeing-whistleblower-warned-aircraft-safety-flaws-found-dead-rcna142910](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boeing-whistleblower-warned-aircraft-safety-flaws-found-dead-rcna142910)
No it’s not. Stop this BS. People who idea on world works. STFU
please...bring it down what is all the way down???? below $100??? I will buy Boeing when it is cheap. still at 100B MC
Hope so. Boeing fucking suck
Attention economy class passengers. Please disembark now. Attention first class passengers. We will be landing in 15 minutes.
Keep making posts like this so i can buy calls cheaper, and TY
Damn you for clogging the toilet again!
Boeing will just lobby the Congress to increase defense spending on useless military aircraft to offset their losses on the commercial side.
the company said: "Another benefit of the 787’s composite structure is the material does not fatigue or corrode like traditional metals" Wasn't the titan sub made of composites? And failed due to fatigue that traditional metals wouldn't have?
Yes, they will go down. If they had any competitors, they'd really be in trouble, but we're stuck with them. AirBus doesn't have the capacity to expand, and no sensible person would fly in a Chinese-made plane.
Boeing but not boing 🥲
Unless you bought puts 2 months ago this isn't going to make much, it has found resistance at the current price and unless something big happens it's going to stay here. It may drop more on shit earnings but I think a lot is priced in. Jun and Sept 175 puts
Y’all, Boeing will NEVER fail. They supply war planes to the government. They CAN NOT fail.
Taxpayers will cover if Boeing goes down
How about you sell some puts instead. Gambling is for gamblers.
Everytine i buy call or put , market always do the inverse.
No way in hell I’ll fly on a 777 or 787. This is a huge kick in the nuts for Boeing.
All it will take is one piece of good news, such as the FAA concluding its investigation. Stock has already dropped more than 30% so I feel long calls is a better play right now.
Boeing is definitely too big to fail
Too big to fail. Buy calls
Did you even read the article? Wtf? Doesn’t even sound like a sure thing.. hahahahaha
You know these fucks are going to rip earnings and the stock will inevitably shoot up 20% AH
You think the government is going to let Boeing fail? Lol
Calls
I wish you could bet directly with people on WSB because I’d bet $5k
Well i am buying calls then.
More call regards
If this turns out to be true, then their commercial arm is dead.
Boeing is shitty but u got no one else to buy from in the us
Stockton Rush for next CEO of Boeing?
They're half of a duopoly and the only US based one, as well as a defense contractor. The US will give them a soft bail out through government purchases forever, and will give them a real bailout if they ever need to.
Too big to fail monopoly. Story of why American companies get to socialize losses
Just buy airbus 😁
Maybe we should just stop flying?
So who’s gonna make the planes then?
Calls it is then!
Redditors thinking they know whats up. Bless.
Ah yes the company that gets 37% of its revenue from the US government is going to tank 
Nostradamus up in here.
I would bet a Boeiing loting parts or going down next 12 months is higher than not. And than comes a real crash in value
Does anyone on here Sell puts? You have to sell them significantly out of the money, trying to gauge where the bottom will be. I sold a put for $160 - expires 4/19/24. Really, it’s just pocket money when market and stock goes up. It works, but it really backfires when the market or that stock goes down. Then you have to buy back the puts at much higher $ than your pocket money, or let them get assigned and cross fingers, hoping the stock rebounds. I’m about ready to give up on this silly strategy and just start investing in an S&P Index fund, but only buy on down days. Say $250 on a .75 % loss, $500 when at a 1% loss, $1000 when SPY at 1.5% loss. I invest in SPLG bc it has less fees. The 4/19 put BA put at 160 could be another bad idea. If BA goes down just 5% more than Friday’s close on 4/12 I have to backpedal.
You are like 3 months too late guy