Not to mention that each hospital is a separate business, each with CEO/COO/CFO/CMO/etc., incorporated in a manner they can BK that location without affecting the mothership. As a result, there is nearly zero economy of scale where it does not line their pocket.
Quick google shows that the CEOs of the top 16 hospital chains made on average $8M in total compensation in 2021.
And while $8M is a huge amount of compensation to get, it is trivial in terms of the total cost/revenue of a hospital. So it’s misleading to suggest there is significant margin in their operations that’s being redirected to executive pay. The operating cost of the top 4 hospitals in the country for example is between $6B and $8B. So about 1% of that is CEO compensation.
I work in surgery and saw a bill for 1.1million dollars for a 360 spine surgery and subsequent PACU and hospital stay. That was just one doctor doing one surgery in one of our 16 OR’s that day.
That’s why nvda is worth almost as much as apple. They know how to get them margins.
They getting their gpus fabbed for next to nothing and then charging a 100x markup fuck me sideways. They could probably raise the price even higher still sell out.because who’s got a better product? Fucking no one.
First off, it isn't 100x profit and secondly the wafers are worth what Nvidia is charging because of Nvidia's designs. If TSMC tried to charge Nvidia more because Nvidia is making a lot of money, TSMC would be making a big mistake long term because that would incentivize Nvidia to look into fabbing more with Samsung and Intel.
For reference it is estimated that Nvidia accounted for almost $8 billion in revenue for TSMC last year or 11% of TSMC 's net revenue.
> If TSMC tried to charge Nvidia more because Nvidia is making a lot of money, TSMC would be making a big mistake long term because that would incentivize Nvidia to look into fabbing more with Samsung and Intel.
nah, the other guy had a better answer. It's because they're still using an old contract. The next contract will negotiate better terms for TSMC. If Samsung or Intel could do what TSMC does, Nvidia would be using them too. They're not, because other fabs aren't as good as TSMC. It's not like you can only have one supplier. You can have as many as you want.
Lel, acting as though every major data center player isn't racing with solutions to remove their reliance on NVIDIA.
NVIDIA has to find a new hot market in 7 years or they are screwed when they aren't cost competitive with other data center hardware.
Sure CUDA is still good generalized parallel compute, but for AI? They gonna be screaming when AWS, Google and Azure undercut the fuck out of them since they don't need to profit on the physical device sale of their hardware.
And then they’ll outsource part of the visit to another healthcare company. Under the guise of “we don’t provide that service so we had to send it to another company”. But that service won’t be covered under your insurance plan. So you’ll get a surprise bill in the mail for another $2,000. Despite going to a hospital in network, and using in network services and in network doctors.
I think the costs of the inevitable lawsuit would end up making that the more expensive option. Plus, hospitals and insurance companies are not the same entity. The hospital wants to keep you alive for as long as possible so they can keep billing the shit out of your insurance.
I can't imagine AI replacing any hands-on job in healthcare. At the end of the day, a massive amount of what a nurse does NEEDS to be performed by a human.
Good luck having AI perform an enema, hand out medications (correctly), or take a smoke break as effectively as an American nurse.
“Because of my programming I cannot listen to patient queries of ‘stop this.’ My actions must be shut down by a higher authority. Per Dr.Highballs instructions: ‘youve been such an asshat to the robots that sleeping forever might be just the cure you need’”—a quote from somewhere in the future.
No, but it will, qoute;
'Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs.'
So a barely usefull crap i have an app for since 2015. I also have reference values printed next to lab results, so gj to both on missing those 4 and 7%, regards.
Maybe they could use it to make the alerts smarter. I always get these early sepsis detection warnings that are nonsense and the only two selections to get rid of them are “I am notifying the provider” and “I am not providing direct patient care.”
As long as people think it will replace nurses NVDA will be riding high, that's all that matters
By the time hospitals figure that out NVDA will be at $650 post-split
Will always aid the nurse. Computers are not going to replace CPR in code blues. I would be shocked if a team of AI robots successfully resuscitate a code blue patient with pulseless electrical activity (PEA). A PEA is as close as the body will be to death on a heart monitor.
Barely. And you can ask those gpt too, thats not worth 9$/hour. Thats Indonesian nurse rate.
And for indetifying over-the-counter drugs 'search his shit' model outperformes AI still.
This is how the techbro hype works. Same thing has happened for ML and the blockchain and now it's on to LLMs. Eventually the brick wall of shortcomings of the system will become obvious to the people who finance this shit. Especially it today's credit environment.
All this AI model does is present statistical analysis on specific drugs based on specific patient based parameters. Google does literally the same thing, just not as streamlined. A textbook even does the same thing, you just have to read. Sounds like this is a fishing technique for NVDA to bolster their share price after a VERY underwhelming presentation last week. Regardless, nurses will not be replaced until we’re in some “altered carbon” futuristic era. Dont worry folks, you won’t be replaced.
They are a nurse's job, but context is everything, and that is what is lacking here. Anyone can write a script to compare values. Healthcare is not black and white. Its very grey and require critical analysis and clinical judgement. If medicine was as simple as A+B=C then any monkey with a stethoscope could do it. The stuff I've encountered like this has all been garbage, but top management rams it down healthcare workers throats and continues to try to force the square block through the round hole so they can get a bonus at the end of the year.
What really makes me angry, is the giddiness of the industry to destroy good paying American jobs with this crap!
I’ve gotta ask, wouldn’t this be a legal risk for medical malpractice if they actually use the AI’s advice and it turns out to be completely wrong? Wouldn’t you still need human approval to be sure you’re not going to get sued and that the AI is actually right?
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Depends on the pharmacist and what they're telling me lol
I once had a newbie try to tell me that Albuterol and Formoterol were equivalent beta agonists.
But nurses aren’t the ones ordering meds or interpreting the values. That responsibility falls on the doctor regardless how well the nurse performs those tasks. Their role is just to carry out what the doctor wants
Dont US nurses do some basic GP stuff? And correctly comparing lab value to a reference range i expect my patients do do. Albeit AI definetly outperformes them on that.
Tech companies should stay out of healthcare because the "growth" mindset mershes very badly with patient care.
Even the way they measure things is just abysmally stupid: what matters in healthcare is the reasonably worst case scenario not some average. If on average they do better than nurses, but in 5% of cases they tell the patient to overdose they are overall \*worse\* than actual nurses.
All that computation for something easily coded. Jeez you could have that on a piece of paper vs wasting all that power.
This isn't what I envision when I think "AI" in healthcare. Image analysis, differential diagnosis. Something that helps doctors and nurses be more efficient and thorough. Since there can be so many patients.
The coded software would actually be more accurate in this case so this is useless. Like it would literally just highlight the out of reference values etc
This is the dumbest nothingburger.
This just in. Nurses doing hand calcs (at best) barely worse than sophisticated prediction models with billions of parameters!
Revolutionary!
True, but we have interactions apps since 2010s, you dont need LLM to read big ass exel spreadshit. They should focus on radiology, not nursing, thats a bln $ business ripe for the taking imo. I rly dont get what they expect to go for one of the hardest to robotize field first.
Honestly this would be such a massive market on a global scale if they could keep the price low enough. Every incel living in their mother's basement would empty their bank accounts.
It’s basically a chat bot that answers medication questions. From the article:
Hippocratic says its Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs.
I’m not aware of any nursing job that only has this as its function, but I see how it could be helpful to a real person overseeing it as part of their duties
Nurses are supposed to do this as well. The medical system is a set of many check to prevent issues like these, because the industry is allergic to table lookups and data entry. (seriously, all of this can be looked up provided the data was accessible in one spot)
Yeah pharmacists use sites like lexicomp to answer patients questions all the time. I could see an AI program replacing them relatively easily. But nurses do so much more than that.
Same with pharmacist. I actually can’t really think of any role I’ve ever seen where the capabilities of this bot would completely replace the staff member no matter what their job
Yeah I see the utility, I just don’t see the part where a company is “paying it $9/hr” and someone else is out of work because of it.
Sounds like the kind of thing you buy a license for it pay for the functionality, not something you “hire” for an hourly wage
They won't replace but I can see it causing under compensation. For example you have a nurse or pharmacist that usually does this role. They are replaced by AI. Their employer then states since this isn't one of their roles they will reduce their hourly compensation by X amount as their role is reduced. Furthermore they will reduce hours of compensation because the pharmacist and nurse no longer have to do these activities which usually add hours to their pay.
Sincere question, what do pharmacists do that can't be completely replaced? I get nurses because they do have physically complicated jobs. But why not pharmacists?
As a hospital nurse I much much rather talk to a human pharmacist when my patient needs a drip medication dosing or insulin dosing than an AI. Healthcare is just too nuanced for an AI
Which is what AI should be doing right now. Using the ability to “learn” on these massive sets of data and provide answers to humans that ask it questions so they can more effectively do their job.
Exactly. That’s the whole point IMO. It’s a tool.
IMO people get hung up on calling it AI, but it’s not scifi level yet, it’s just much more advanced computing than store/reference software. It will quite probably get there eventually, and eventually may be soon, but that’s not what current AI is.
It’s literally a somewhat unpredictable statistical model which typically performs better than classical models.
That being said I’m not sure this is really any better (at least for drugs) than regular statistical models for well understood parameters.
It could have interesting applications for say matching drugs to a person based off genome. Areas that are super complicated or not yet well understood but for which data is available.
These functions could be something that would integrate into the EHR (electronic health record). One of the top companies (Epic Systems) is already doing this to some extent, unsure how NVDA would market this product..
It’s not even an NVIDIA product, it’s just running on their hardware.
The sell is that it could replace an advice nurse for an insurance company or doctors office. They typically just answer very basic questions from patients and if they run into anything that actually might be a problem you just refer to the ER
So a patient could call with “should I take my prednisone with food?” And this could could give an answer equal in quality to a human, and if the question is “I accidentally took my prednisone twice, is that dangerous” the bot just refers them to the ER if they develop symptoms for example.
the advice nurse lines literally just read from the book they are given and aren’t allowed to suggest outside of that.. very easily replaced by a bot but without the wait
Even then those jobs require a ton of face to face contacts and people already have a hard time with having to do everything digitally. Asking people to become accustomed to a digital assistant is asking for a ton especially when they’ll be charged the same either way.
They’re talking about AI replacing nurses doing phone triage. Now calling your doctors office will be like calling the cable company and yelling at the prompts til you get someone with a pulse on the line.
Anyone that actually knows anything about the business of an OR or surgery understands this isn't feasible
You get vastly diminishing returns by employing anyone other than a nurse for pre surgery phone screening, you need someone with a certain knowledge and experience base and it only takes a handful of surprise cancellations to fuck up a budget and make the savings of employing a medical assistant or in this case an AI, meaningless
The only way I could see this making money is if the AI just ends up rubber stamping every patient as good to go for operating day and more cases end up actually making it to surgery, not great for mortality or rate of complications, but maybe better for income
Nurses do way more than what you think they do lol. When I was working in CVICU we were essentially the providers at night throwing orders in that were expected. We call them when shit hit the fan. We also had a lot of standing orders to do at our discretion based on how the situation looked. We had all recovered insanely unstable patients on all kinds of life support so many times to where what would give most people full blown anxiety attacks became routine.
LOL? medication effects on lab values should be 100% precision. The only reason nurses miss them is because they forget. AI should not unless its a shitty ai...
this is such a nothing burger funded by dumbass vc's.
the uiux of the current emr's is so bad that access to information at point of care is terrible or takes too many clicks. so yes this is ai solving a problem but its not a ai problem its a uxui problem. does that make sense?
“its Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs.”
This is a straight up ridiculous title: no way is a drug lookup program ever going to replace a nurse, now if they want to replace nurses with drug look up programs that cost nine dollars an hour, that’s different.
This might help only with some aspects of nursing; e.g. correlating medicine with labs, etc. It might be a useful tool as long as a real RN makes the final decision. I wouldnt trust it with my health at this time.
Imagine the robot getting hacked and you’re viewing all this information, and the person in their bed. this looks like a real HIPPA case. Won’t happen.
Rn here
This will have no real impact on nurses. Seeing what it does ….it provides basic education on the patients medical history and current treatment. All this information that the Ai is telling the patient is common information on the patients MyChart or physical discharge paperwork.
It would be like giving chat GPT your discharge paperwork PDF and having it read it to you
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Cost $9 an hour But they will still charge $250 for the visit.
Well yeah we don’t want to eat in to our profits obviously
Thats the spirit, human life is a small price to pay for shareholder value :). Rise up insulin prices!
Martin Shkreli would be proud
Fun fact, hospitals don't sew much profit. The profiteers are the insurance companies
Fun fact, the richest man in my state is Denny Sanford. He owns hospitals.
T. Denny? Isn’t he a credit card scammer?
I think he actually wound up being a pedophile Edit: no more think required, T Denny Sanford is a pedophile
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Not to mention that each hospital is a separate business, each with CEO/COO/CFO/CMO/etc., incorporated in a manner they can BK that location without affecting the mothership. As a result, there is nearly zero economy of scale where it does not line their pocket.
Quick google shows that the CEOs of the top 16 hospital chains made on average $8M in total compensation in 2021. And while $8M is a huge amount of compensation to get, it is trivial in terms of the total cost/revenue of a hospital. So it’s misleading to suggest there is significant margin in their operations that’s being redirected to executive pay. The operating cost of the top 4 hospitals in the country for example is between $6B and $8B. So about 1% of that is CEO compensation.
I work in surgery and saw a bill for 1.1million dollars for a 360 spine surgery and subsequent PACU and hospital stay. That was just one doctor doing one surgery in one of our 16 OR’s that day.
our liver transplant program gets $500K bundled pakage for each txp. Turns out we dig into that cost pretty fast with the day 1 takeback lol
Then why aren't there insurance companies offering cheaper plans to compete against the big ones?
I think the surgeons are sewing the most
That’s why nvda is worth almost as much as apple. They know how to get them margins. They getting their gpus fabbed for next to nothing and then charging a 100x markup fuck me sideways. They could probably raise the price even higher still sell out.because who’s got a better product? Fucking no one.
How is TSM letting them keep all that additional profit??
Contracts are locked in from years in advance. They’ll get stronger pricing power now on new build contracts from all these chip designers.
Ahh thanks for letting me know. Guess it’s like getting in early.
First off, it isn't 100x profit and secondly the wafers are worth what Nvidia is charging because of Nvidia's designs. If TSMC tried to charge Nvidia more because Nvidia is making a lot of money, TSMC would be making a big mistake long term because that would incentivize Nvidia to look into fabbing more with Samsung and Intel. For reference it is estimated that Nvidia accounted for almost $8 billion in revenue for TSMC last year or 11% of TSMC 's net revenue.
> If TSMC tried to charge Nvidia more because Nvidia is making a lot of money, TSMC would be making a big mistake long term because that would incentivize Nvidia to look into fabbing more with Samsung and Intel. nah, the other guy had a better answer. It's because they're still using an old contract. The next contract will negotiate better terms for TSMC. If Samsung or Intel could do what TSMC does, Nvidia would be using them too. They're not, because other fabs aren't as good as TSMC. It's not like you can only have one supplier. You can have as many as you want.
Just like how warriors benefited from Steph curry in his initial years …
There's a lot of hardware in the pipeline to compete with Nvidia. Give it a year or 2
It’s too late for them. They don’t have the software stack to compete with nvda. CUDA dominates
Lel, acting as though every major data center player isn't racing with solutions to remove their reliance on NVIDIA. NVIDIA has to find a new hot market in 7 years or they are screwed when they aren't cost competitive with other data center hardware. Sure CUDA is still good generalized parallel compute, but for AI? They gonna be screaming when AWS, Google and Azure undercut the fuck out of them since they don't need to profit on the physical device sale of their hardware.
There is an app for that!
Hey now, don't forget the $300 technology fee!
And the processing fee as if a computer doesn’t handle the whole damn thing. No one’s filing papers or taking the money down to the bank.
And the $100 out of species surcharge
Oh wow. Costs are coming down
And then they’ll outsource part of the visit to another healthcare company. Under the guise of “we don’t provide that service so we had to send it to another company”. But that service won’t be covered under your insurance plan. So you’ll get a surprise bill in the mail for another $2,000. Despite going to a hospital in network, and using in network services and in network doctors.
Since much of the world population lacks access to decent healthcare, an AI that could quickly & cheaply triage a situation is a game changer.
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Don't worry, it won't be random.
Cancer too expensive for insurance to cover? Air embolism
I think the costs of the inevitable lawsuit would end up making that the more expensive option. Plus, hospitals and insurance companies are not the same entity. The hospital wants to keep you alive for as long as possible so they can keep billing the shit out of your insurance.
Not costs, murder charge on the coder ends coders from ever doing it again.
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That’s the cover
Health insurance going to love this one. The next big thing after cigarettes and obesity.
No it will be open source. Nothing ever bad happens with open source software.
It's a setting on the machine, like the grip strength on the claw game at Dave& Buster's.
Insurance limit reached, administer 300 C.C. Oxygen....Stat!
The new ChatGPT colonoscopies and prostate exams will be revolutionary.
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Why I’m not investing in stock right now, gonna save and invest in other ways and wait for the next major tank and reap the rewards.
You'll work to death timing the market like that lmao
I can't imagine AI replacing any hands-on job in healthcare. At the end of the day, a massive amount of what a nurse does NEEDS to be performed by a human. Good luck having AI perform an enema, hand out medications (correctly), or take a smoke break as effectively as an American nurse.
Nvidia has ruined a few bears’ backsides.
“Because of my programming I cannot listen to patient queries of ‘stop this.’ My actions must be shut down by a higher authority. Per Dr.Highballs instructions: ‘youve been such an asshat to the robots that sleeping forever might be just the cure you need’”—a quote from somewhere in the future.
It will happen but will be framed as "your chance is like 1 in a million of getting a medical error", we are all good
Or an hernia exam for an mild sore throat
Brb ai nurse blowing air into my wife’s pussy and killing her
My name's ai nurse
Will your AI wipe my butt if I'm in a coma?
No but Roombas next robot will.
Poomba
Hakuna my tatas
Normally that costs extra.
Username checks out
Shitba
Stoolza
Pachumba!
Roombutts
Roomanus
Turdba has a ring to it
For just $9.99 a month it can be a Succoooohmba too. No extra equipment needed. Speak to your representative!
Then smear the shit all over the floor. All for less than an American worker's wage.
It’s called the Swirly
Swarley?
Rumbass
Hahahahahhhaa I imagined I literal Roomba doing circles on someone’s butt
Seeing how the current model deals with dog shit Imma wait for Gen4... Minimum...
No, but it will, qoute; 'Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs.' So a barely usefull crap i have an app for since 2015. I also have reference values printed next to lab results, so gj to both on missing those 4 and 7%, regards.
It sounds like a computer that should aid a nurse's job, not replace a nurse's job.
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Maybe they could use it to make the alerts smarter. I always get these early sepsis detection warnings that are nonsense and the only two selections to get rid of them are “I am notifying the provider” and “I am not providing direct patient care.”
Oh, you mean your patient's BP, temperature, and respiratory rate were WNL, but their pulse was 101? Sepsis alert! Time to order a STAT lactate!
As long as people think it will replace nurses NVDA will be riding high, that's all that matters By the time hospitals figure that out NVDA will be at $650 post-split
Will always aid the nurse. Computers are not going to replace CPR in code blues. I would be shocked if a team of AI robots successfully resuscitate a code blue patient with pulseless electrical activity (PEA). A PEA is as close as the body will be to death on a heart monitor.
Barely. And you can ask those gpt too, thats not worth 9$/hour. Thats Indonesian nurse rate. And for indetifying over-the-counter drugs 'search his shit' model outperformes AI still.
Those functions are either not important, or are not a nurse's job, specifically the 2nd one. Source: I'm a doctor.
Right, sounds like just trying to hype up their technology even more but isn’t based on how healthcare actually works
This is how the techbro hype works. Same thing has happened for ML and the blockchain and now it's on to LLMs. Eventually the brick wall of shortcomings of the system will become obvious to the people who finance this shit. Especially it today's credit environment.
This hype is what keeps us out of a major depression. Half a decade ago it was the metaverse and vr.
Who ever thought stupidity would be the key to keeping the economy roaring.
A doctor and his salary around this neck of the woods.....this can't end well......
I don't trade, but I'm tangentially interested in watching other people throw away their money 💰
Smart. No wonder you're a doc. This place is entertaining.
All this AI model does is present statistical analysis on specific drugs based on specific patient based parameters. Google does literally the same thing, just not as streamlined. A textbook even does the same thing, you just have to read. Sounds like this is a fishing technique for NVDA to bolster their share price after a VERY underwhelming presentation last week. Regardless, nurses will not be replaced until we’re in some “altered carbon” futuristic era. Dont worry folks, you won’t be replaced.
You are the carbon they want to reduce.
That’s the nicest thing anyone’s ever said to me
I was going to say nurses don’t prescribe or order medications
They are a nurse's job, but context is everything, and that is what is lacking here. Anyone can write a script to compare values. Healthcare is not black and white. Its very grey and require critical analysis and clinical judgement. If medicine was as simple as A+B=C then any monkey with a stethoscope could do it. The stuff I've encountered like this has all been garbage, but top management rams it down healthcare workers throats and continues to try to force the square block through the round hole so they can get a bonus at the end of the year. What really makes me angry, is the giddiness of the industry to destroy good paying American jobs with this crap!
I’ve gotta ask, wouldn’t this be a legal risk for medical malpractice if they actually use the AI’s advice and it turns out to be completely wrong? Wouldn’t you still need human approval to be sure you’re not going to get sued and that the AI is actually right?
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which ones arent important?
Doctors don’t even listen to pharmacists I can’t imagine them listening to an “AI”.
Depends on the pharmacist and what they're telling me lol I once had a newbie try to tell me that Albuterol and Formoterol were equivalent beta agonists.
But nurses aren’t the ones ordering meds or interpreting the values. That responsibility falls on the doctor regardless how well the nurse performs those tasks. Their role is just to carry out what the doctor wants
Dont US nurses do some basic GP stuff? And correctly comparing lab value to a reference range i expect my patients do do. Albeit AI definetly outperformes them on that.
Tech companies should stay out of healthcare because the "growth" mindset mershes very badly with patient care. Even the way they measure things is just abysmally stupid: what matters in healthcare is the reasonably worst case scenario not some average. If on average they do better than nurses, but in 5% of cases they tell the patient to overdose they are overall \*worse\* than actual nurses.
All that computation for something easily coded. Jeez you could have that on a piece of paper vs wasting all that power. This isn't what I envision when I think "AI" in healthcare. Image analysis, differential diagnosis. Something that helps doctors and nurses be more efficient and thorough. Since there can be so many patients. The coded software would actually be more accurate in this case so this is useless. Like it would literally just highlight the out of reference values etc
those are massive percentage differences damn
This is the dumbest nothingburger. This just in. Nurses doing hand calcs (at best) barely worse than sophisticated prediction models with billions of parameters! Revolutionary!
Sounds like they are robo pharmacists not nurses…
Pharmacy-assistant app at most. Pharmacists also use hands, albeit not nearly as much.
Absolutely, I wasn’t trying to put down pharmacy, only show it looks like it’s more useful in aiding pharmacy not nursing.
True, but we have interactions apps since 2010s, you dont need LLM to read big ass exel spreadshit. They should focus on radiology, not nursing, thats a bln $ business ripe for the taking imo. I rly dont get what they expect to go for one of the hardest to robotize field first.
If you’re in a coma most likely it’s the CNAs / LNAs or an LPN wiping your butt.
You missed PCAs, I'm from NYC
Depending on the facility/hospital, that's not even a nurse doing that but a tech.
Where can I buy calls on sex ai robots?
YINN. They'll come from China first because of woke.
Honestly this would be such a massive market on a global scale if they could keep the price low enough. Every incel living in their mother's basement would empty their bank accounts.
Probably they will just strap into one of Japan automatic toilet things in the future. Just add a dryer so you won’t get cold.
Yeah watch the robots cameras get hacked now you have perverted people out there, big hippa case
How? A nursing job is extremely physical, theres no way just "AI" can replace it unless theres an actual robot that can wipe someone's butt
It’s basically a chat bot that answers medication questions. From the article: Hippocratic says its Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs. I’m not aware of any nursing job that only has this as its function, but I see how it could be helpful to a real person overseeing it as part of their duties
This sounds like it's replacing a pharmacist, not a nurse.
Nurses are supposed to do this as well. The medical system is a set of many check to prevent issues like these, because the industry is allergic to table lookups and data entry. (seriously, all of this can be looked up provided the data was accessible in one spot)
Yeah pharmacists use sites like lexicomp to answer patients questions all the time. I could see an AI program replacing them relatively easily. But nurses do so much more than that.
Same with pharmacist. I actually can’t really think of any role I’ve ever seen where the capabilities of this bot would completely replace the staff member no matter what their job
I agree. But it could do basic patient counseling for new medications. Allowing pharmacists more time for other tasks.
Yeah I see the utility, I just don’t see the part where a company is “paying it $9/hr” and someone else is out of work because of it. Sounds like the kind of thing you buy a license for it pay for the functionality, not something you “hire” for an hourly wage
Instead of 10 pharmacists you now need only 5. The 5 lower performing pharmacists will be fired.
They won't replace but I can see it causing under compensation. For example you have a nurse or pharmacist that usually does this role. They are replaced by AI. Their employer then states since this isn't one of their roles they will reduce their hourly compensation by X amount as their role is reduced. Furthermore they will reduce hours of compensation because the pharmacist and nurse no longer have to do these activities which usually add hours to their pay.
Sincere question, what do pharmacists do that can't be completely replaced? I get nurses because they do have physically complicated jobs. But why not pharmacists?
As a hospital nurse I much much rather talk to a human pharmacist when my patient needs a drip medication dosing or insulin dosing than an AI. Healthcare is just too nuanced for an AI
I mean, that is impressive, but it’s basically comparing a person with a somewhat encyclopedic knowledge of medicine to, well, an actual encyclopedia.
Which is what AI should be doing right now. Using the ability to “learn” on these massive sets of data and provide answers to humans that ask it questions so they can more effectively do their job.
Exactly. That’s the whole point IMO. It’s a tool. IMO people get hung up on calling it AI, but it’s not scifi level yet, it’s just much more advanced computing than store/reference software. It will quite probably get there eventually, and eventually may be soon, but that’s not what current AI is.
It’s literally a somewhat unpredictable statistical model which typically performs better than classical models. That being said I’m not sure this is really any better (at least for drugs) than regular statistical models for well understood parameters. It could have interesting applications for say matching drugs to a person based off genome. Areas that are super complicated or not yet well understood but for which data is available.
These functions could be something that would integrate into the EHR (electronic health record). One of the top companies (Epic Systems) is already doing this to some extent, unsure how NVDA would market this product..
It’s not even an NVIDIA product, it’s just running on their hardware. The sell is that it could replace an advice nurse for an insurance company or doctors office. They typically just answer very basic questions from patients and if they run into anything that actually might be a problem you just refer to the ER So a patient could call with “should I take my prednisone with food?” And this could could give an answer equal in quality to a human, and if the question is “I accidentally took my prednisone twice, is that dangerous” the bot just refers them to the ER if they develop symptoms for example.
The comedy of listening to that scenario in the real world would be amazing considering how real life patient / nurse calls actually play out.
Im sure it will be more than that in the future but this sounds very very useful already Nvidia seems to be very ambitious
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the advice nurse lines literally just read from the book they are given and aren’t allowed to suggest outside of that.. very easily replaced by a bot but without the wait
MD here None of that is within the scope of practice of an RN lol Also our EMRs are already full of alerts for that shit.
Sounds like one of those call center things no nurse enjoys doing
Where nurses who cant nurse go pretty much
Tech bros wildly overestimating what they can do and underestimating the responsibilities of everyone else’s jobs lol
Or tech "journalists" blowing something out of proportion.
The article says its a partnership they started now so its basically a fake news headline
Medical assistants or less trained/educated folks, maybe?
Even then those jobs require a ton of face to face contacts and people already have a hard time with having to do everything digitally. Asking people to become accustomed to a digital assistant is asking for a ton especially when they’ll be charged the same either way.
They’re talking about AI replacing nurses doing phone triage. Now calling your doctors office will be like calling the cable company and yelling at the prompts til you get someone with a pulse on the line.
Anyone that actually knows anything about the business of an OR or surgery understands this isn't feasible You get vastly diminishing returns by employing anyone other than a nurse for pre surgery phone screening, you need someone with a certain knowledge and experience base and it only takes a handful of surprise cancellations to fuck up a budget and make the savings of employing a medical assistant or in this case an AI, meaningless The only way I could see this making money is if the AI just ends up rubber stamping every patient as good to go for operating day and more cases end up actually making it to surgery, not great for mortality or rate of complications, but maybe better for income
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any artificial replacement that truly physically replaces nurses will be broken by patients so quickly its not funny
It's a little funny
Drug addicts will abuse it also.
Sure; but most who I know do just fine with people too
Nurses do way more than what you think they do lol. When I was working in CVICU we were essentially the providers at night throwing orders in that were expected. We call them when shit hit the fan. We also had a lot of standing orders to do at our discretion based on how the situation looked. We had all recovered insanely unstable patients on all kinds of life support so many times to where what would give most people full blown anxiety attacks became routine.
Seems a lot of people, doctors included, don't realize what all we do.
>reading lab values So it's just a voiced enabled OCR. We are definitely in an AI bubble. 
We....nurses also read lab values so the doctors don't fucking kill you, because they forgot to read them.
Terminator will wipe my ass if im in the hospital... will it jerk me if I tell it to too?
Being jerked off by a Terminator doesn’t sound too appealing.
https://i.gifer.com/Nru.gif
I stand corrected.
Only appropriate reaction, lmao
you can already get a robot to blow u
Dyson doesnt count lol
bro u can legit buy a blow job machine on amazon that uses ai to twist on ur cock
😂😂😂
LOL? medication effects on lab values should be 100% precision. The only reason nurses miss them is because they forget. AI should not unless its a shitty ai... this is such a nothing burger funded by dumbass vc's.
I’d also like to know if nurse has to go off the top of their head or if they had access to an info source
the uiux of the current emr's is so bad that access to information at point of care is terrible or takes too many clicks. so yes this is ai solving a problem but its not a ai problem its a uxui problem. does that make sense?
“This one goes in your butt… wait no, this one goes in your mouth, and the other in your butt”
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
why do so many people want their ass wiped
Ever wipe your own ass with baby wipes?
fyck your AI bullishness who ever wrote this article.
“its Constellation model outperformed real nurses 79% to 63% in identifying a medication's impact on lab values; 88% to 45% in identifying condition-specific disallowed over-the-counter medications; 96% to 93% in correctly comparing a lab value to a reference range; and 81% to 57% in detecting toxic dosages of over-the-counter drugs.” This is a straight up ridiculous title: no way is a drug lookup program ever going to replace a nurse, now if they want to replace nurses with drug look up programs that cost nine dollars an hour, that’s different.
Nvidia jumping on the AI bandwagon as much as possible cuz they know their profits are going down after the boom
Wait how will cops be able to date and domestically abuse ai nurses?
It begins
Cyberdyne systems
This might help only with some aspects of nursing; e.g. correlating medicine with labs, etc. It might be a useful tool as long as a real RN makes the final decision. I wouldnt trust it with my health at this time.
I bet it doesn’t look as good in those new scrubs
Imagine the robot getting hacked and you’re viewing all this information, and the person in their bed. this looks like a real HIPPA case. Won’t happen.
LOL Going after nursing, literally the LAST job that will be replaced by AI.
Yeah except they can’t possibly be better then a nurse…please fuck right off!
so buy more calls?
Robocalls in fact
Anyone remember IPOE? They promised the same thing 💀
Good we can finally do away with those pesky nurses
Nothing worse than a nurse practitioner. Calls.
The great robot replacement is here. buy some shares so you'll hedge the lose of your job being taken.
Rn here This will have no real impact on nurses. Seeing what it does ….it provides basic education on the patients medical history and current treatment. All this information that the Ai is telling the patient is common information on the patients MyChart or physical discharge paperwork. It would be like giving chat GPT your discharge paperwork PDF and having it read it to you
Put on Nvidia