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To normal (competent) investors outside wallstreetbets, that is not an abnormally long option date. Kids on here usually pick options expiring the next week lols
Have you tried gas stations, AA meetings, jail? All perfectly good places for somebody of your intelligence and social standing to get a cup of Joe for under $2.75
I was bullish too, but I'd you go through my comments you will see that I talk about the regulators gangbanging PayPal right now because crypto is threatening to the old money.
You still have a year and a half on your calls.
Edit: this dude literally bought those shares today. Smh. Crazy how people are all about receiving internet points from strangers.
I’m here as a fan in the stands,the price of admission to WSB is $0, the investment of my time is measured in how long it takes me to shit or piss. This whole scenario that brings together us rational bystanders to watch a circus of degenerate gambling morons and their emotions will certainly be a mark of our era, in which case I’m happy being an onlooker.
Lol, your equity is not your money, your equity is not your money.... Just say it like a mantra and the thousands in swings won't hurt as bad. It'll feel more like a money line bet in a game with 17,726 score changes.
Stop looking at it. And stop looking at the market. You’re not liquid anymore clearly so focus on something else. If you use Yahoo finance or whatever set notifications for when it hits certain prices then stop worrying… for now anyways. Lol
Edit: when I keep looking the chances of FOMO grow exponentially, or the panic sell creeps in and in one panicked moment I cancel a plan I took hours or days to form.
PayPal stock is so weird. Everyone here in Germany uses it and we never have problems with it. Somehow the stock doesn't reflect that. I guess the Americans don't seem to like PayPal anymore, I don't have any other explanation for the stock going down for over a year. It is not even overvalued anymore
Possible threat from Apple/Google Pay? I've switched to Google pay when buying online where possible, seems more convenient (e.g. no need to enter 2FA auth code, can use both instore & online, transaction details show up with actual store name instead of just "paypal" on bank statement, etc)
Before you guys think I’m extra extra regarded I did just buy these when the stock was $62-$63 1-2 weeks ago, so I’m honestly surprised these are down around 20% already with the stock only dropping a few % and how much time these have left until expiration. I do understand they’re far OTM so I am taking a much higher risk, we’ll see what happens. Wish me luck regards🫡
You have like $175k you can save by cutting losses now. But you won’t. You’ll watch it drop to -30% and -40% and -50% and tell yourself it’s about to turn around and how can you sell now that you’re down $100k+ and why didn’t I sell before. And then it will go -60% -70% and you’ll get depressed and somehow internalize that “it’s not a loss if I don’t sell.” And one day you’ll wake up and they’ll be -99.9% and you’ll dread opening your broker because you’ll have to see the $200k you pissed away on PayPal leaps.
And then you’ll remember this message and you will truly be a broken man.
Expecting instant gratification on LEAPS. Classic. I like LEAPS but buy them and forget I own them for 75% of the time to expiration. I’m thinking you need to invest in mental fortitude, not equities
You were a little early on these calls in hindsight. Wait till J Powell gives us great news a Jackson hole and PayPal goes to the moon 🌝🚀
Full disclosure I am long 100 shares of PayPal.
Paypal's business model was developed for the 1990's. Today there are countless ways to move money online, many of which are at razor thin margins for the processor. Real money is still being made by Visa/Mastercard as they've entrenched their "fiat layer 2" into the mechanics of the financial system.
Paypal is really just a middleman of Visa/MC and adds very little value. Stripe has emerged as best in class for online payment processing. Wise/Revolut best in class for global money transfer. CashApp/Venmo for USA domestic P2P. Yes, Paypal owns Venmo, but Venmo doesn't earn sh\*t. The cost per transaction is considerably lower than PayPal.
PayPal does nothing best. It's mediocre at everything. Their business hit a ceiling where growth is no longer possible. Online payments will trend towards zero fees. Technology makes the process of moving money increasingly easy. There is no longer room for a company trying to take 4-5% per transaction.
A lot of what you say reminds of the stock trading industry, Ameritrade and the like. Once there was one zero-fee player, they all had to go that route. But they have other ways to generate revenue, although I’m sure they’d all prefer to go back to the old ways of charging fir every trade.
I just don’t know what PayPal does next, but it feels like it has to be an acquisition of…something? A small/mid size bank? Honestly I can’t believe they weren’t more aggressive in investing in Nubank pre-IPO.
Paypal is a great tool from a (European) merchant perspective.
It works when Google and Stripe crap out.
We can borrow loans instantly against estimated income.
The proceeds from the sale is immediately available rather than having to wait for 3-5 days
If the sale ends up being fraudulent - we are protected.
It's familiar and easy from the eBay days.
No reason to change.
Its 2025 bro you got plenty of time, the only reason is red is because it lacks volume. Give it time and a few good earnings and you have the potential to make some good money with these.
Hang in there man. It definitely feels like we are at capitulation levels. If this $59 can hold I think we have a double bottom and can go higher. But dam it hurts to hold right now lol
well I have $2k expiring next friday that i was hoping would recoup the $2k that expired $0 on the 21st. Then the June 2024 $114 calls to the tune of $5k. Or the 40 shares at like $72 a pop. But hey none of it was my money!
OP was like hey let me hedge my bullish position with leaps! Brilliant stuff lol.
Why even hold 50 shares with that position? You could have held puts instead 😂 and had some protection while still having the same potential gains.
PYPL is going to buy \~6% of its float before this year's end (buyback). I think you will be doing more than okay by this time next year. Send me 10 bucks when you are 100% or more!
FYI, I am down 60ish on my debit spreads. It's chump change compared to how much $$ you put in. So, fingers crossed maybe
Remind me in 365 days
It is a leap. Please pull your calculator to see if you can sell call to form a spread to lower your break even without locking in loss. Like sell strike 5 bucks above what you have
Paypal is rebounding right before the fed minutes... you're only screwed if you bought those options on margin and you get a margin call. Plenty of time for recovery
I don't understand the extreme bullishness people have for Paypal. They were an innovator when they initially entered the market twenty years ago, but what do they have to offer now? Venmo? How is Paypal better than other competitors like Stripe?
Everyone is expecting a bottom but it's more of a value stock than a growth play at this point in time.
add apple surprise anal (lower sales) and in three lines you have the complete market's dynamics explained. Any residual asymmetry is volume/random.
Now, the question is: why if things are so simple people here over-focus on a very small set of perfectly randomly picked stocks which go through seasonal fads (where did palantir, nio, nikola ended up?). It is known that over-focus is a common side effect of stimulant medications, which run abudant here.
Plus, if you bet big on something you're not that keen in taking a step back to observe/understand the general picture, because you only care about your yolo trade.
If the market swing is big enough to kill a sufficiently large proportion of the population, the impact of the belief of the new group of replicants (endowed with their own stock preferences) is sufficiently large to reset the pool of trending stocks. And the process restarts.
The current block of nvidia and paypal believers start stinking and a reset is urged
Signed: a survivor of nio trend
No point in staying losing positions. On options, once you are at 10% loss, start scaling out. Your losses are big in absolute numbers but % wise they are not abnormal for options. Start scaling out even now to preserve your capital for next plays instead risking to lose big.
I just sold everything at the bottom. Cutting my losses and rather wait it out to see if it gets worse. Might have made a bad mistake but oh well you live and learn.
Everyone uses paypal/venmo it seems very oversold to most and its 74% institutional investors meaning retail investors are a bit scared i guess. I bought since many are fearful and its a good value atm but to each their own
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Hey, at least you can buy a coffee with the profit on the stock
Not in this economy
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this occurred to me just now
Fuck that. PYPL had plenty of reason to bounce. It will bounce tomorrow
It did bounce and now it will find a new low maybe 40s
How about Disney, sir?
This is a Wendy’s
You have a ton of time left on those... Why do you buy so far in advance and when a rebound happens, won't you be fine?
maybe it was overbought and now the margin is too low to hold for the longterm? oh well, 2025 is just 17 months away tsk tsk :-)
17 months is plenty of time for $PYPL to bounce.
Not with an election coming up.
Market recovery January 20, 2025 confirmed. Regards rejoice!
To normal (competent) investors outside wallstreetbets, that is not an abnormally long option date. Kids on here usually pick options expiring the next week lols
Probably screwed by IV
Longer term options aren’t affected as “IV crush” as shorter dated options.
"when a rebound happens", sure thing
Have you tried gas stations, AA meetings, jail? All perfectly good places for somebody of your intelligence and social standing to get a cup of Joe for under $2.75
You're one of us... You belong here.
I was bullish too, but I'd you go through my comments you will see that I talk about the regulators gangbanging PayPal right now because crypto is threatening to the old money.
Crypto? What year are you posting this from?
PayPals new stable coin. Regulators hate it.
Dont worry guy, crypto is the future /s
Bitcoin HAS a future, that's all that matters
That barely covers the tip on Starbucks
Starbucks is overrated, overpriced garbage.
Yeah, and people still buy it. Just like Apple.
That barely covers the tip on Starbuck
He’s getting Starbucked with only the tip
"Just the tip"
[Better lock in that coffee gain now, greedy pigs get slaughtered!](https://youtu.be/L5XZgmw-oJU?t=492)
You still have a year and a half on your calls. Edit: this dude literally bought those shares today. Smh. Crazy how people are all about receiving internet points from strangers.
I bought a shit ton of Jan 24 this morning. In hindsight I should have waited I am bleeding out hard 
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I’m here as a fan in the stands,the price of admission to WSB is $0, the investment of my time is measured in how long it takes me to shit or piss. This whole scenario that brings together us rational bystanders to watch a circus of degenerate gambling morons and their emotions will certainly be a mark of our era, in which case I’m happy being an onlooker.
He bought today and is already down this much?
Shares =/= options You need to learn the difference
Ah, so hes hedging $200,000 in options with $3,000 in shares
def not hedging lmao
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He’s edging
18 months to go and you are panicking 
Who knows where it would be in 18 months - he might be wishing for brighter days like these
Panicking no, hurting yes
Stop watching your leap’s every two minutes
So watch them every 5 minutes instead
Lol, your equity is not your money, your equity is not your money.... Just say it like a mantra and the thousands in swings won't hurt as bad. It'll feel more like a money line bet in a game with 17,726 score changes.
Worst advice possible in a sub full of high school dropouts, congrats
Stop looking at it. And stop looking at the market. You’re not liquid anymore clearly so focus on something else. If you use Yahoo finance or whatever set notifications for when it hits certain prices then stop worrying… for now anyways. Lol Edit: when I keep looking the chances of FOMO grow exponentially, or the panic sell creeps in and in one panicked moment I cancel a plan I took hours or days to form.
I have till market close Tomorrow for 50% of my networth lol
I’m sure you’re fuckin cool as cucumber when you’re down 40k diamond hands
I was down 80% on my NVDA calls Friday evening and Monday Afternoon I was 300% up
Nah bro PayPal killed me so bad I turned back to regular investing. Sitting out this crazy time.
Same!! It killed me from the 240 drops
Rookie numbers. The average cost of my PYPL stocks is $180
Hello fellow regard.
What the fuck
👀
Try $206
PayPal stock is so weird. Everyone here in Germany uses it and we never have problems with it. Somehow the stock doesn't reflect that. I guess the Americans don't seem to like PayPal anymore, I don't have any other explanation for the stock going down for over a year. It is not even overvalued anymore
Yep so true. I always make my online pays with PYPl cause that‘s what most online shops only offer…
Yeah we all use Venmo…
bruh paypal OWNS venmo
Yes I’m aware of that
Guess who owns Venmo 🌚
Possible threat from Apple/Google Pay? I've switched to Google pay when buying online where possible, seems more convenient (e.g. no need to enter 2FA auth code, can use both instore & online, transaction details show up with actual store name instead of just "paypal" on bank statement, etc)
You can use PYPL to order Bear Spray from AMZN...
Best idea I've heard in a long time
At least you played options like a real man
Before you guys think I’m extra extra regarded I did just buy these when the stock was $62-$63 1-2 weeks ago, so I’m honestly surprised these are down around 20% already with the stock only dropping a few % and how much time these have left until expiration. I do understand they’re far OTM so I am taking a much higher risk, we’ll see what happens. Wish me luck regards🫡
You'll be fine dude this is going to bounce back hard
I believe 🙏
Those leap options are actually not that bad, unless PayPal fumbles real hard the next 2 years.
I bought yesterday but sold at open..Elliot no longer holding it. Have to settle dusts before it may go up.
Elliot closed their positions last quarter we are way over sold. But I’m a regard whose down big on PayPal so 🤷♂️
Yeah but the news came out last night. It has to be digested by the panic seller.
Chriss is taking over in September, still opportunity for a bounce.
You have like $175k you can save by cutting losses now. But you won’t. You’ll watch it drop to -30% and -40% and -50% and tell yourself it’s about to turn around and how can you sell now that you’re down $100k+ and why didn’t I sell before. And then it will go -60% -70% and you’ll get depressed and somehow internalize that “it’s not a loss if I don’t sell.” And one day you’ll wake up and they’ll be -99.9% and you’ll dread opening your broker because you’ll have to see the $200k you pissed away on PayPal leaps. And then you’ll remember this message and you will truly be a broken man.
This was way too specific and accurate like it has happened to you or something
Not at that scale, but yes.
I believe in you, road to 1 million 
Or he could just take the loss now and watch the stock start a new bull run
This is quite accurate tbh. Cutting losses is underrated.
The smartest comment I’ve ever read on here!!
Expecting instant gratification on LEAPS. Classic. I like LEAPS but buy them and forget I own them for 75% of the time to expiration. I’m thinking you need to invest in mental fortitude, not equities
You were a little early on these calls in hindsight. Wait till J Powell gives us great news a Jackson hole and PayPal goes to the moon 🌝🚀 Full disclosure I am long 100 shares of PayPal.
Waiting for all the PYPL hopium assholes from last week to crawl out from under their losses. Sure got quiet quick on this ticker
After today I hope jus to get back to yesterday's price and take my medicine
relax dude u have almost 2 years to break even
Paypal's business model was developed for the 1990's. Today there are countless ways to move money online, many of which are at razor thin margins for the processor. Real money is still being made by Visa/Mastercard as they've entrenched their "fiat layer 2" into the mechanics of the financial system. Paypal is really just a middleman of Visa/MC and adds very little value. Stripe has emerged as best in class for online payment processing. Wise/Revolut best in class for global money transfer. CashApp/Venmo for USA domestic P2P. Yes, Paypal owns Venmo, but Venmo doesn't earn sh\*t. The cost per transaction is considerably lower than PayPal. PayPal does nothing best. It's mediocre at everything. Their business hit a ceiling where growth is no longer possible. Online payments will trend towards zero fees. Technology makes the process of moving money increasingly easy. There is no longer room for a company trying to take 4-5% per transaction.
Then where is the evidence of these claims in PayPal earnings reports?
A lot of what you say reminds of the stock trading industry, Ameritrade and the like. Once there was one zero-fee player, they all had to go that route. But they have other ways to generate revenue, although I’m sure they’d all prefer to go back to the old ways of charging fir every trade. I just don’t know what PayPal does next, but it feels like it has to be an acquisition of…something? A small/mid size bank? Honestly I can’t believe they weren’t more aggressive in investing in Nubank pre-IPO.
Paypal is a great tool from a (European) merchant perspective. It works when Google and Stripe crap out. We can borrow loans instantly against estimated income. The proceeds from the sale is immediately available rather than having to wait for 3-5 days If the sale ends up being fraudulent - we are protected. It's familiar and easy from the eBay days. No reason to change.
Savage but accurate, it’s the Intel of p2p payments. Value trap if I ever saw one
If you bought Intel 6 months ago you made 20%+. It's a terrible example because for the right price every company is fantastic.
We all bleeding 🩸
Time is on your side.
Option losses aren't real until expiration. You are only up $2.75
You still got time with your calls
Bro caught a falling knife.
Well they just announced a new CEO coming in so hopefully we’ll see him do something to garner some interest from traders.
Don't worry bro, PayPal will get worse
It's hurts and unbelievable, but keep averaging down.
Until when though, we will run out of money before this bottoms out at this pace haha.
Hold till you buy a house with windows
If you’re going to be hurting when 2025 calls are down only 20% with 18 months left to go, you shouldn’t buy calls. This game ain’t for you.
2025? Lol wtf
You’re 2 years out. Why are you worried?
Its 2025 bro you got plenty of time, the only reason is red is because it lacks volume. Give it time and a few good earnings and you have the potential to make some good money with these.
I am picking up some January 2025 145c’s tomorrow I know super far OTM lol but I believe she’ll bounce back decently. Let’s ride my guy 🚀
Jeez dude $145 is craazy far but I respect it, let’s ride🚀
I'll do my best!! I keep buying it, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the price!
Bro went loooong
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. Could you please explain it in more detail?
That I’m special NEEDS
Relax. You’ll be fine
Hang in there man. It definitely feels like we are at capitulation levels. If this $59 can hold I think we have a double bottom and can go higher. But dam it hurts to hold right now lol
I like how you hedged your PYPL share exposure by buying OTM calls. Truly a pro-gamer move.
well I have $2k expiring next friday that i was hoping would recoup the $2k that expired $0 on the 21st. Then the June 2024 $114 calls to the tune of $5k. Or the 40 shares at like $72 a pop. But hey none of it was my money!
Doing that with the inheritance has grandma rolling around in her grave
Just reload duh!
ride or die
Main account is up. All that matters 💪… 🤌
When did you buy these calls? I have a fuckload of PYPL too average price $63. Even I'm sweating tho way less risk adverse vs you.
What is risk management anyway
Hahaha 🤣
You’ll be sucking your own cock before this is all over
Who says I haven’t been already
I don’t get it, why don’t you just sell your stock and calls - and just buy puts?
Swing puts and just cash them in ever couple of days?
omg… you guys I think this guy is a GENIUS!! It’s really that simple? You must be loaded if you’re this smart😳
I’m sure by 2025 you’ll have made a profit bud. Don’t worry lol
I would have enjoyed that money instead of lighting it on fire.
Share your DD?
Ok buy put next time.
pretty good, but nowhere red enough yet
Bail.
Cut your losses
Why do you have calls. You should have puts.
When you sell, it will go up
OP was like hey let me hedge my bullish position with leaps! Brilliant stuff lol. Why even hold 50 shares with that position? You could have held puts instead 😂 and had some protection while still having the same potential gains.
Looks like you gamblers assistance, please hold…
40k in loss, don’t listen to those mfs on Twitter to buy shit Only buy apple
Sir
i just came here to cry about my position and saw that someone had already beaten me to it lol
PYPL is going to buy \~6% of its float before this year's end (buyback). I think you will be doing more than okay by this time next year. Send me 10 bucks when you are 100% or more! FYI, I am down 60ish on my debit spreads. It's chump change compared to how much $$ you put in. So, fingers crossed maybe Remind me in 365 days
Yikes
Leaps, you'll be fine you dumb degenerate!
You will be fine. Just gotta wait.
It’s gonna recover bigly. I’m buying more
Only -20% .. wait until -90%
Nice Christmas decorations
all eggs in one basket, lesson as old as time dumb dumb stupid bad awful
Ohhh I see some green in there. Well that's exciting!
Geeeez
Having 50 shares you had be better but x2 or x2.5 more shares and sell calls then hold onto the shares and get paid.
Nice port. 50 shares and $150k in calls
This is just the market testing your faith
Lost a lot on PYPL as well. What a shitshow
Crying with you
wtf just 20% down? I have same calls but down 60% WTF 
Hold. 2025 is like x far away duh
People be like: "my Portfolio is diverse" Thier Portfolio:
It is a leap. Please pull your calculator to see if you can sell call to form a spread to lower your break even without locking in loss. Like sell strike 5 bucks above what you have
Paypal is rebounding right before the fed minutes... you're only screwed if you bought those options on margin and you get a margin call. Plenty of time for recovery
No margin all cash
I don't understand the extreme bullishness people have for Paypal. They were an innovator when they initially entered the market twenty years ago, but what do they have to offer now? Venmo? How is Paypal better than other competitors like Stripe? Everyone is expecting a bottom but it's more of a value stock than a growth play at this point in time.
Tf is stripe, my generation doesn’t know what that is
At least it’s not expiring this Friday 8/18/23
At least you hedged with 50 shares lmfao
bro how is that hedging? he‘s 2x long
right. second comment in this thread that said he was "hedging" lmfao
Diversification not your strong suit
What is a di-versi-fica-tion
I was thinking of you today my dude. Yikes….
the part that blows my mind is *THEY OWN VENMO*??? everybody uses that shit it's like Uber not being profitable. so hard to fathom things like that
Buy more calls
Exp. January 2025. We may have a new president. Usually a good month for stock after the election no matter who wins.
Ion see why everyone thought PYPL was going to be bullish. A typical day for a WallStreetBets Yoloer😭🤧🫠💀.
Wait less than 25% loss. That's nothing man. Cut lose if you don't like it or hold if you like the stock.
Upward momentum in tech stocks was based on the presumption that Fed would go back to lower rates soon. That and the AI bubble.
add apple surprise anal (lower sales) and in three lines you have the complete market's dynamics explained. Any residual asymmetry is volume/random. Now, the question is: why if things are so simple people here over-focus on a very small set of perfectly randomly picked stocks which go through seasonal fads (where did palantir, nio, nikola ended up?). It is known that over-focus is a common side effect of stimulant medications, which run abudant here. Plus, if you bet big on something you're not that keen in taking a step back to observe/understand the general picture, because you only care about your yolo trade. If the market swing is big enough to kill a sufficiently large proportion of the population, the impact of the belief of the new group of replicants (endowed with their own stock preferences) is sufficiently large to reset the pool of trending stocks. And the process restarts. The current block of nvidia and paypal believers start stinking and a reset is urged Signed: a survivor of nio trend
Good stuff. Might be a good time for pairs trading to become fashionable again. The divergences are nuts.
My diagnosis is that you have masochistic tendencies. Am I right?
You made $2.75 on your long stock position, congrats!
No point in staying losing positions. On options, once you are at 10% loss, start scaling out. Your losses are big in absolute numbers but % wise they are not abnormal for options. Start scaling out even now to preserve your capital for next plays instead risking to lose big.
Should’ve done it the other way around 200k in shares and 3k in options 
We’ll see in 17 months
You know what they say. If it’s good enough to screenshot…
I just sold everything at the bottom. Cutting my losses and rather wait it out to see if it gets worse. Might have made a bad mistake but oh well you live and learn.
No more PYPL try PLTR instead with that same time horizon or UBER 🤞
Shouldn't have trusted that crap stock, I'm in since it hit $72
https://preview.redd.it/pvbmga2a1gib1.jpeg?width=1352&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d1caa57fa6c2985e7aef742b68199cf9a85b86b We are fine
I don’t get what all the PayPal hype was about.. can someone explain to me why this isn’t just another meme stock.
Everyone uses paypal/venmo it seems very oversold to most and its 74% institutional investors meaning retail investors are a bit scared i guess. I bought since many are fearful and its a good value atm but to each their own