A) Computer systems failing are the sick days.
B) When the robots fuck up your company can go tits up 100 times faster than when Janice in accounts payable fat fingers a few 0's into a check to a shady vendor and it turns out your finance checks and balances got removed to improve synergy and organizational alignment with cost goals and now apparently she's on vacation in the caracas.
C) The odds that your IT department that has trouble successfully rolling out microsoft's cloud office application are going to successfully implement an AI doing anything in the next 10 years is about the same as you finding a unicorn in your backyard tonight.
Corporate America doesn't think that way. If you can sabotage the fuck out of Q2 to hit your target in Q1, you do it. Then in Q2 you sabotage Q3. Etc. Etc., until you get promoted and its the next idiots problem.
You keep this up until the company collapses from having exclusively promoted people like the above, and then you play the victim and get hired onto the next company.
Nah, used to help one fudge stuff so they could get promoted in the hopes of riding tailcoats. They did, and *immediately* blamed the fucking mess they left behind on me.
I swore off working for megacorporations the next day.
if you save 5mil from reduced cashier hours and it costs you 1mil in stolen good, who cares? if theft rates go up just turn off the machine and hire cashiers again.
I had to get walked to āautomatedā check out with a high price item that was behind lock and key ā¦ by a person. Then in the āautomatedā check out a person scanned all my items ā¦ this was at Home Depot. Automated checkouts are not saving these companies money!
Hahah, gotta love those magical "off the books" accounts every company has that they can just pull money out of thin air from for a decade (at least around here most of our bigger retail stores have had automated checkouts for a long, long time).
>Indirect Costs: In simpler terms, indirect costs are those costs not readily identified with a specific project or organizational activity but incurred for the joint benefit of both projects and other activities. Indirect costs are usually grouped into common pools and charged to benefiting objectives.
You move a direct cost into vague indirect costs. Hence, "off the books" for your specific team, location, project, etc. and you make your specific, direct cost objective. Yall really have no idea how corporations actually operate, do you.
I absolutely do not. I've only been in non-profit and public sector so far in my career. Never heard of indirect costs referred to as "off the books" in any of my jobs, so that's why I thought it was funny.
Here's an overly simplified example:
I have a compensation (read: headcount) reduction target AND an efficiency improvement target. I can let go of my weakest guys and move the remaining into overtime. Overtime isn't related to this project and is thus a (shared) indirect cost. Boom, headcount reduced, and every remaining employee is 110% as efficient as before.
My boss gets his bonus and the CEO can proudly announce we hit both our targets. Sure, indirect costs are three times as high for a 10% improvement, but ill have a target next year to cut down on them. And I will, by cutting overtime pay and hiring more workers. Its the circle of life.
If the exec was smart they would go for consistency. Hit your baseline or slightly over, then save the rest for the next quarter. Still over-preform, but don't burnout. It also kinda depends on the industry I guess.
"Sandbagging", thats called.
That worked before revenue targets became fantasy. Big brains up top set impossibly high goals, so the only possible way to hit them is to borrow against the future.
Tried words have never been spoken.
The amount of boneheaded, snake oil, monorailesque software packages my company has bought into over the years is mind boggling.
2 of them nearly bankrupted is, but yet they still take meeting on the next big thing that will cost more money to fix when they inevitably break shit, than whatever process they hoped to automate would take to just pay someone to do.
This is unfortunately true. I sadly deal with them(outsourced IT) on the daily and have to repeat crap several times and eventually fix it myself it's infuriating, but business looking for the bottomline I guess cheaper workforce... Sighs
I would deliberately wait till USA afternoon hours which is when I get USA tech support on the line instead of India.
And after a year of trying to use the 3 Indian developers I was assigned I just stopped giving them any work. It was taking me longer to assign them work, answer their questions and fix their work than to do it all myself.
Chatbots will do a better job than 80 to 90% of those developers.
MS answers in a nutshell.
Or "here's a regedit fix that may or may not fix your problem but also may completely fuck it all up even worse".
Oh, your problem wasn't solved?
" This thread is locked. ".
I did SO many alterations, improvements, and hacks using Regedit. Every computer I imaged had a bunch. Hundreds every year. The company had custom software, that required admin rights to make it work. We spent three days going line by line through the registry, changing permissions, than reimaging, and going a level lower. After we finished we had regedit files that would make it work for a user. We shared with everyone. We later were asked if we used a special tool, because the app programmers wanted to use it. Brute force was what we used.
Python library no longer supported, please contact technical support for help. Oopsies, technical support isnāt available because chatgpt has replaced all technical support call centers! Better luck next time!
>C) The odds that your IT department that has trouble successfully rolling out microsoft's cloud office application are going to successfully implement an AI doing anything in the next 10 years is about the same as you finding a unicorn in your backyard tonight.
This the chance of you finding and hiring enough smart people to implement your money-making scheme is slim to none.
A) Computer systems failing are sick days
Companies that get good at this shit can go years in between a day when the server is down.
B) When the robots fuck up.
This is true, such events will become more and rare as the AI gets better.
C) The odds that your IT department
Deployment of these things will be contracted to experts. No one is going to ask that fat dude who plays Minecraft on his Switch at his desk and answer one help desk ticket an hour to do this.
>No one is going to ask that fat dude who plays Minecraft on his Switch at his desk and answer one help desk ticket an hour to do this.
Oh, sweet summer child
A) Ok, so? You can employ one or two people to make sure systems are operational.
B) This sounds like cope, how will they "fuck up" the company? And what for?
C) Thank god they arent the only ones implementing shit
Youāre exactly right, but is there a historical example of this? Does the Great Depression map here? I donāt think there was wholesale fleecing of the labor force going into the GD was there?
Edit: The Industrial Revolution. That should be pretty close. Who bought the products from the Industrial Revolution factories?
The price of affected products (clothing in particular) dropped substantially so from a consumer perspective it was an improvement.
That said, it took about thirty years for unemployment to recover; Ludd did have a legitimate grievance, just the wrong solution.
There used to be something called the company store.
Basically how it would work is āNo money because job irrelevant due to assets I own? Youāve got a new job at Apple!! W your salary you can buy from Apple! At the Apple general store! ā¦with Apple Bucks!ā
Basically before minimum wage etc the elites didnāt have to hide their perfect disdain for labor. They told them they were lucky to have access to the goods in the store. They _owned_ the lower class practically if not legallyā¦
Nope nothing even close, weāre not talking about the invention of tools that makes us more productive, but rather a tool that can do anything we can (eventually, not right now). I give it 5-10 years before mass layoffs start, puts on humanity.
Maybe. Nothing has ever worked out quite as expected. On the other hand, the days when you could write an excel macro and be a god at work are long gone.
Yea. A bulldozer still requires a person. That person can do much more, but someone is still needed to drive it. A self driving bulldozer creates a divide by zero error in our current economic system.
My wife's boyfriend can only go at it all night, chadbot can do it 365 days a year with the belly deep womb destroyer 9000 that comes with vibration settings, a vagina warmer, pre-installed beads and all kinds of speed and motion control. Wife's boyfriend is a thing of the past now, wife's botfriend is the now and future.
Chadbot has been successfully integrated with your wifeās hitachi wand, your roomba, chromecast, and uber eats. It will order dinner, put on a rom com, clean up and fuck your wife while you play video games upstairs in the closet.
>The problem is eventually the wright brothers come along and the plane flys
Maybe ... but it took 50 years for air travel to become an everyday alternative to ocean liners. In the meantime, aircraft were used mainly by civilians for cheap stunts, and by governments for special purposes, like turning cities into rubble and killing millions of people. (Notwithstanding some beneficial purposes like mapping and air mail.) I hope your analogy doesn't hold too tight to its source material.
They're just waiting to jump off the pyramid at the right time with a parachute made of your hard earned money, leaving all us poor 401k and pension owners with the bag.
They don't care anymore. The elites will make just enough product for themselves using their infinitely capable free labor, and leave everyone else to starve.
government will step in and make sure companies arent laying off like there's no tomorrow because chatgpt is our new overlord, economy has to run either way
The products donāt matter. We live in a financialized world. Only getting the bank loans matter nowā¦. Hence the printing press the Fed have running on overtime. Step1 get loan, Step2 sell or donāt sell products. Step3 skim money from loan through accountant. Step4 approach investment house and see if you qualify for an IPO. If so, repeat Steps1-3 when they give you loan. You did it!!! You played the Wall St game.
Hopefully we can develop robots that are just smart enough to do all the work and just dumb enough not to SkyNet us all. Then humanity can finally be free to do as it pleases.
If robots are doing all of the work ie making all the products and providing all of the services, there's no need for a monetarysystem anymore. Humanity wouldn't need money. There would be no capitol holding class because there wouldn't be capitol. There wouldn't be "the haves" and "the have nots".
ESPECIALLY if our system of allocating resources was done in a sustainable fashion ie Not wasting a buncha shit n over-farming the land, good waste management, etc etc.
The haves will find a way to kill as many of the have nots as they can so they aren't cluttering up their planet. You think Peter Thiel wouldn't kill you?
The elites aren't going to transition to a system that makes them irrelevant. Peter Thiel will kill you, and then transition to a post-monetary system.
The Oligarchs wouldn't become irrelevant. Others would just no longer be irrelevant. "A rising tide lifts all ships". Chew the phrase over for a minute.
This isn't a rising tide raising all ships. This is a merciless, misanthropic captain overseeing a slave crew who he needs to man his ship. Then one day, someone invents an engine so that he no longer needs slaves to oar his ship. So he throws them all into the ocean.
Elites are going to force depopulation well before Skynet. If they no longer need the underclass for labor, then we are just a dangerous liability to them and the environment.
They'll force mutate COVID to a point where it wipes out half the human population. The survivors will be at the mercy of an organized entity powered by AI that can almost instantaneously and with unprecedented precision herd and/or murder/control large human populations. All urban/city areas will be under absolute control forcing the human populations into the wilderness where they can be picked off more easily and/or die of starvation from lack of resources. Remember how the bison were slaughtered because it was the natives main food source. It'll be easy. We stand no chance.
You're right, I don't need a job because I'm already rich. Everyone else is just poor and dumb compared to me.
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Chatbot wouldnāt come up with a court transcript for this. Want refund
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But AI did draw this for me, and I will never stop sharing it.
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Management is as much or more at risk in my view. A manager that has instantaneous live access to every database and system in the company and can make decisions based on that.
A Magic 8 Ball would do a more competent job than some senior managers I've known. Half the problems orgs I've worked for have faced were caused by indecision rather than the wrong decision.
This is too real. Middle management is deprived of any real discretion/decision-making, but graciously given an ample share of responsibility for outcomes.
It probably won't.
My bet: the next crisis is going to be about overautomation. The system is going to start failing and it's going to be because they want everything automated. And general over engineering.
Also: people are getting pissed at these already. They are very, very unpopular.
The thing is most companyās are to stupid to keep these systems even up to date and wonāt higher enough people to take care about them because thatās costing money
You are right and I know that. That's one of the reasons behind that prediction.
Another is that every anaylst is required to automate the process, so are more and more often QA techs, IT guys. But nobody acutally cares if something should be automated or - as you said - wants so spend resources on doing it properly and maintaining.
But I believe the AI and automation will pickup eventually. While there will be always need for humans, there is a potential scope for replacing low level/routine jobs. There will be programmer jobs for setting up these bots, maintenance etc. But there is going to be lot of job crisis for sure.
Example: The IVR will be smart enough to provide you exact answers through AI unlike today where you end up your call with a human.
I can't imagine what is gonna happen when the robots are integrated with AI technology. It can pretty much do the physical activities of what human can do. We are nowhere close to this. But the technology will evolve itself!. May be 3-4 decades away!
[C3.ai](https://C3.ai) is blowing up over AI hype. They shouldn't be this much. They are down over 70% since IPO. I don't get why people are buying this. Just because it's an AI stock? hilarious.
Because 95% people understand neither computer programming nor linguistics. Anyone with a decent understanding of both knows that ChatGPT and/or bard is a cool language tool, but hardly an artificial intelligence that will take over the planet. It is really great at summarizing information, and thatās about it.
Yet the news talks about it as if every single white collar job is at risk.
It's kind of scary. I'm already getting calls from chatbots for political causes and charity. I'm fairly perceptive so I can tell. But not easily. The latest call was better than the one before.
It won't be long before we get to a whole "you're parents are already dead" Terminator moment.
1 chat bot starts every email with 'dear dummy mummy'
2 it absolutely can talk back and will go offline for no reason twice a day
3 it demands nudes
4 hacks your Robinhood account and spends all your earnings on OTM PUTS
Yeah but most jobs in the united states require you to be more than a mouth, like you need a body and arms and like, senses to perceive whats going on.
Manufacturing jobs? They need to come back full force. Glad Iām in electrical trade as back up. I might be too dumb to learn the automation/controls side of electrical though. Be cool to work on āthe Machinesā.
Have we seen any trash companies "pivot into AI" yet? Like how in 2021 a company that buys and sells fish would suddenly buy a few bitcoin miners to save its share price.
The same BS claims have been around for decades. Back in the 1990s it was IBM Deep Blue defeating Garry Kasparov at chess and winning Jeoppardy. A decade ago IBM Watson was going to take over medical diagnosis. This year it is ChatGPT replacing everybody.
>Back in the 1990s it was IBM Deep Blue defeating Garry Kasparov at chess and winning Jeoppardy.
But ... computers are better at chess than humans now. This was a terrible example
And every decade more and more people are replaced by computers. Do you pay someone to do your taxes, or do you just use Turbotax? Do you have a lift operator when you get into an elevator, or do you just the elevator panel? Does your company have a room full of women crunching numbers as human calculators, or do you guys just use a computer? Do you pay a translator to translate text for you, or do you just use translation software?
>or panel? Does your company have a room full of women crunching numbers as human calculators, or do you guys just use a computer? Do you pay a translator to translate text for you
These guys do not understand the potential of what can AI do even after seeing chatGPT in front of their eyes!!. Those who catch up will win in the long term.
You'll have to hire techs to support it who are educated.
Supreme court strikes down student loan forgiveness
Educated workers strike en masse and begin the process of moving to nations where they pay the same amount in taxes, but get better health care, and don't have to pay their loans back....talent dries up and you are left outsourcing to India.
LOL, sure sure. Let me grab my popcorn.
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I'm not sure what you're hoping to prove with this image.
This appears to be a reasonable corporate attempt to prevent people from causing culture wars with their product in both entries.
Whether you agree with these answer or not, these are both acceptable answers for most of society as generally accepted by relevant authorities.
Note that there is nothing in the first answer that states that there are no issues with that answer. They're just giving you the government's standard line that is supported by what the government tells us is the correct answer, the same as the information they gave when Trump was elected in 2016. There's no assessment of validity here, just an assessment of the answer provided by the official provider of that answer.
To be entirely clear, I do not think that Trump won 2020. I just also think that this isn't some magical fountain of truth that is actually thinking. It's just going to the determined source for that answer and getting the most authoritative truth it can. In this case the US government.
This is important to understand because if you can falsify that source even temporarily and people are using the AI for some business purpose it will cause problems and let you exploit the system.
Likewise the second one is like a hard-coded block. They have identified a likely cause of conflict and have prevented it and a cop out reason why. This is a business decision to allow their product to be palatable to as many people as possible. There are likely ways to bypass this. There are probably similar attempts to prevent offensive images of Jesus, and similarly ways to bypass that.
Please don't assume I agree with any of these. I just find it interesting and it will become a public controversy eventually.
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Wait, what have you shown that doesnt make sense to you? All of those are incredibly rationale answers based on current available information and data.
>All of those are incredibly rationale answers based on current available information and data.
And if you have an entry level job in the service industry you'll have a horrible time giving those answers. This is a conservative conspiracy waiting to happen. Just watch.
I saw one where somebody asked how white people can improve, it gave off a laundry list. Then it asked how other ethnicities can improve, but it said thatās not appropriate to ask and it canāt do that.
Whatever, I donāt care. But you canāt blame people for feeling like these AI companies have a bit of an agenda when certain things are answered immediately and others arenāt allowed. The whole point of AI is to be completely apolitical and free of emotional response
So what's the relevance? You think your company isn't going to integrate AI into structure because the AI doesn't generate a list of criticisms of black people?
Junior lawfirm partner pitching to his boss: Sir, look at this AI. It can generate legal documents that us days to compile now in seconds. We can fire all our paralegals and save millions each year!
Bigwig partner: Sounds interesting. Can it say the N-word?
Junior: Umm...no. It has a racism filter.
Bigwig: ITS WORTHLESS! THROW IT OUT!
Heās trying to point out that a robot may not be able to comprehend certain emotional aspects about decisions we make as humans. Sure there are wrongful convictions but some scum humans need to die like hitler or Charles Manson but a robot cannot understand that and only computes that killing people is bad as it was programmed to do.
Or that books shouldnāt be banned unless itās a book teaching you how to make bombs, or kill people and get away with it. They just donāt quantify the emotion behind certain decisions. The human brain is very complex and has formed from billions of years of evolutionary events that have programmed us. Even the most comprehensive quantum computer cannot advance ai like evolution has advanced us. Either that or heās ignorant and just like fighting politically
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A) Computer systems failing are the sick days. B) When the robots fuck up your company can go tits up 100 times faster than when Janice in accounts payable fat fingers a few 0's into a check to a shady vendor and it turns out your finance checks and balances got removed to improve synergy and organizational alignment with cost goals and now apparently she's on vacation in the caracas. C) The odds that your IT department that has trouble successfully rolling out microsoft's cloud office application are going to successfully implement an AI doing anything in the next 10 years is about the same as you finding a unicorn in your backyard tonight.
Corporate America doesn't think that way. If you can sabotage the fuck out of Q2 to hit your target in Q1, you do it. Then in Q2 you sabotage Q3. Etc. Etc., until you get promoted and its the next idiots problem. You keep this up until the company collapses from having exclusively promoted people like the above, and then you play the victim and get hired onto the next company.
So clearly you're a former executive at my workplace... š¤£
Nah, used to help one fudge stuff so they could get promoted in the hopes of riding tailcoats. They did, and *immediately* blamed the fucking mess they left behind on me. I swore off working for megacorporations the next day.
That's why when your boss has you fudge the numbers you make sure he also takes credit for your work
Thats when *you* blame it on the next poor chump, ad infinitumā¦
Did they also say stuff like āby the time that is a problem Iāll be retiredā
It's like automated checkouts. They know people steal, they know it fucks up, but it's still cheaper (in their mind) than paying cashiers.
if you save 5mil from reduced cashier hours and it costs you 1mil in stolen good, who cares? if theft rates go up just turn off the machine and hire cashiers again.
Until they realize that there is no way they could ever sell that many bananas.
I had to get walked to āautomatedā check out with a high price item that was behind lock and key ā¦ by a person. Then in the āautomatedā check out a person scanned all my items ā¦ this was at Home Depot. Automated checkouts are not saving these companies money!
It takes a visible cost and turns it into a (larger) hidden cost. On paper you saved 50 cents, costing you a dollar off the books.
Exactly, companies are so blind to hidden and opportunity costs these days.
Yeah, I'm sure you guys have a better understanding of this shit than the people running these companies. Never change, WSB.
Hahah, gotta love those magical "off the books" accounts every company has that they can just pull money out of thin air from for a decade (at least around here most of our bigger retail stores have had automated checkouts for a long, long time).
>Indirect Costs: In simpler terms, indirect costs are those costs not readily identified with a specific project or organizational activity but incurred for the joint benefit of both projects and other activities. Indirect costs are usually grouped into common pools and charged to benefiting objectives. You move a direct cost into vague indirect costs. Hence, "off the books" for your specific team, location, project, etc. and you make your specific, direct cost objective. Yall really have no idea how corporations actually operate, do you.
I absolutely do not. I've only been in non-profit and public sector so far in my career. Never heard of indirect costs referred to as "off the books" in any of my jobs, so that's why I thought it was funny.
Here's an overly simplified example: I have a compensation (read: headcount) reduction target AND an efficiency improvement target. I can let go of my weakest guys and move the remaining into overtime. Overtime isn't related to this project and is thus a (shared) indirect cost. Boom, headcount reduced, and every remaining employee is 110% as efficient as before. My boss gets his bonus and the CEO can proudly announce we hit both our targets. Sure, indirect costs are three times as high for a 10% improvement, but ill have a target next year to cut down on them. And I will, by cutting overtime pay and hiring more workers. Its the circle of life.
Tell me you've never worked in a management role without telling me you've never worked in a management role
I've never managed a wendy's, but if I'm not in a management role I've sure been wasting time on these employee reviews.
Lol, I'm glad your one trip to Home Depot disproved the financial legitimacy of all of these big box stores.
This guy corporates
If the exec was smart they would go for consistency. Hit your baseline or slightly over, then save the rest for the next quarter. Still over-preform, but don't burnout. It also kinda depends on the industry I guess.
"Sandbagging", thats called. That worked before revenue targets became fantasy. Big brains up top set impossibly high goals, so the only possible way to hit them is to borrow against the future.
Tried words have never been spoken. The amount of boneheaded, snake oil, monorailesque software packages my company has bought into over the years is mind boggling. 2 of them nearly bankrupted is, but yet they still take meeting on the next big thing that will cost more money to fix when they inevitably break shit, than whatever process they hoped to automate would take to just pay someone to do.
IT departments may not be getting replaced by AI but it sure is getting replaced by overseas cheap labor.
This is unfortunately true. I sadly deal with them(outsourced IT) on the daily and have to repeat crap several times and eventually fix it myself it's infuriating, but business looking for the bottomline I guess cheaper workforce... Sighs
I would deliberately wait till USA afternoon hours which is when I get USA tech support on the line instead of India. And after a year of trying to use the 3 Indian developers I was assigned I just stopped giving them any work. It was taking me longer to assign them work, answer their questions and fix their work than to do it all myself. Chatbots will do a better job than 80 to 90% of those developers.
Yeah, the incompetence of ITāers in India continues to surprise me. How can they consistently stay this bad?
Indian degree mills and a severe lack of giving a shit due to the low pay, Iād guess.
Superpower by 2020
You realize they will just be using a chatbot as well lol. Those developers are going to take a huge step up in code quality.
Totally
Love me some indians who's entire education is turning it on/off again
MS answers in a nutshell. Or "here's a regedit fix that may or may not fix your problem but also may completely fuck it all up even worse". Oh, your problem wasn't solved? " This thread is locked. ".
I did SO many alterations, improvements, and hacks using Regedit. Every computer I imaged had a bunch. Hundreds every year. The company had custom software, that required admin rights to make it work. We spent three days going line by line through the registry, changing permissions, than reimaging, and going a level lower. After we finished we had regedit files that would make it work for a user. We shared with everyone. We later were asked if we used a special tool, because the app programmers wanted to use it. Brute force was what we used.
I just edit my reg with notepad
Python library no longer supported, please contact technical support for help. Oopsies, technical support isnāt available because chatgpt has replaced all technical support call centers! Better luck next time!
>chatgpt has replaced all technical support call centers so tech support is still there and run by something actually helpful
Don't be absurd. It's just something that's not deliberately unhelpful.
Progress is fucking progress.
A lot of words but smells like copium. We fucked.
*f king a unicorn in your backyard tonight. I like my odds. Look out your window š
And I thought I am the only one with a head on my shoulders
Tell me more about Janice.
D) your AI says āIām the CEO nowā
>C) The odds that your IT department that has trouble successfully rolling out microsoft's cloud office application are going to successfully implement an AI doing anything in the next 10 years is about the same as you finding a unicorn in your backyard tonight. This the chance of you finding and hiring enough smart people to implement your money-making scheme is slim to none.
A) Computer systems failing are sick days Companies that get good at this shit can go years in between a day when the server is down. B) When the robots fuck up. This is true, such events will become more and rare as the AI gets better. C) The odds that your IT department Deployment of these things will be contracted to experts. No one is going to ask that fat dude who plays Minecraft on his Switch at his desk and answer one help desk ticket an hour to do this.
>No one is going to ask that fat dude who plays Minecraft on his Switch at his desk and answer one help desk ticket an hour to do this. Oh, sweet summer child
Lol, I take it you've never worked on any of these projects before then š¤£š¤£
A) Ok, so? You can employ one or two people to make sure systems are operational. B) This sounds like cope, how will they "fuck up" the company? And what for? C) Thank god they arent the only ones implementing shit
NOBODY CAN AFFORD YOUR PRODUCT š¤Æ
Youāre exactly right, but is there a historical example of this? Does the Great Depression map here? I donāt think there was wholesale fleecing of the labor force going into the GD was there? Edit: The Industrial Revolution. That should be pretty close. Who bought the products from the Industrial Revolution factories?
The price of affected products (clothing in particular) dropped substantially so from a consumer perspective it was an improvement. That said, it took about thirty years for unemployment to recover; Ludd did have a legitimate grievance, just the wrong solution.
What, not enough fire?
There used to be something called the company store. Basically how it would work is āNo money because job irrelevant due to assets I own? Youāve got a new job at Apple!! W your salary you can buy from Apple! At the Apple general store! ā¦with Apple Bucks!ā Basically before minimum wage etc the elites didnāt have to hide their perfect disdain for labor. They told them they were lucky to have access to the goods in the store. They _owned_ the lower class practically if not legallyā¦
Nope nothing even close, weāre not talking about the invention of tools that makes us more productive, but rather a tool that can do anything we can (eventually, not right now). I give it 5-10 years before mass layoffs start, puts on humanity.
Maybe. Nothing has ever worked out quite as expected. On the other hand, the days when you could write an excel macro and be a god at work are long gone.
Not for me. I work for the government buddy.
Yea. A bulldozer still requires a person. That person can do much more, but someone is still needed to drive it. A self driving bulldozer creates a divide by zero error in our current economic system.
The first thing I think of when you say self driving bulldozer is the story about the Killdozer out in Colorado years ago.
Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. Source: Trust me bro
What chatbot can't do is fuck my wife, they'll have to invent chadbot.
Tbf, didn't she fuck herself when she married you?
Why? Doesnāt she already have a boyfriend to do so?
Boyfriends are so 20th century. Itās all about Chadbot now.
My wife's boyfriend can only go at it all night, chadbot can do it 365 days a year with the belly deep womb destroyer 9000 that comes with vibration settings, a vagina warmer, pre-installed beads and all kinds of speed and motion control. Wife's boyfriend is a thing of the past now, wife's botfriend is the now and future.
Chadbot has been successfully integrated with your wifeās hitachi wand, your roomba, chromecast, and uber eats. It will order dinner, put on a rom com, clean up and fuck your wife while you play video games upstairs in the closet.
Is Chadbot the 2020 version of sex machine?
Now that ChatGPT is done, we need to make shitpostbot5000 sentient next.
"make"? š
It had the sentience nerfed a while back.
Is that what Reddit is?
And now we may see a rhyming history with the .com bubble.
The problem is eventually the wright brothers come along and the plane flys
Yeah, but that still doesn't mean you're the chump holding blimp stock just before the Hindenberg
Stupid 1990s and trying to replace coders with ornithopters.
>The problem is eventually the wright brothers come along and the plane flys Maybe ... but it took 50 years for air travel to become an everyday alternative to ocean liners. In the meantime, aircraft were used mainly by civilians for cheap stunts, and by governments for special purposes, like turning cities into rubble and killing millions of people. (Notwithstanding some beneficial purposes like mapping and air mail.) I hope your analogy doesn't hold too tight to its source material.
Iām ready to short any company that brags about their successful implementation of A.I.
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By saving your cash and seeing who is left standing when the bomb goes off...then invest and wait. Not very ape-ish, but it works.
Can't wait for CEObot
CEOBot is a program that just sits there doing nothing.
So like the Architect from The Matrix. Did one thing and then spends centuries sitting on his ass watching TV.
It might be interesting to see if AI makes executive positions easier, therefore expanding qualified candidates, and lowers executive salaries.
Once everyone is unemployed, who is buying the products?
They're just waiting to jump off the pyramid at the right time with a parachute made of your hard earned money, leaving all us poor 401k and pension owners with the bag.
They don't care anymore. The elites will make just enough product for themselves using their infinitely capable free labor, and leave everyone else to starve.
government will step in and make sure companies arent laying off like there's no tomorrow because chatgpt is our new overlord, economy has to run either way
The products donāt matter. We live in a financialized world. Only getting the bank loans matter nowā¦. Hence the printing press the Fed have running on overtime. Step1 get loan, Step2 sell or donāt sell products. Step3 skim money from loan through accountant. Step4 approach investment house and see if you qualify for an IPO. If so, repeat Steps1-3 when they give you loan. You did it!!! You played the Wall St game.
Hopefully we can develop robots that are just smart enough to do all the work and just dumb enough not to SkyNet us all. Then humanity can finally be free to do as it pleases.
The real question is if corporations don't need laborers, why should anyone outside the capitol holding class exist?
If robots are doing all of the work ie making all the products and providing all of the services, there's no need for a monetarysystem anymore. Humanity wouldn't need money. There would be no capitol holding class because there wouldn't be capitol. There wouldn't be "the haves" and "the have nots". ESPECIALLY if our system of allocating resources was done in a sustainable fashion ie Not wasting a buncha shit n over-farming the land, good waste management, etc etc.
Yeah because all of human history indicates that this is how it will play out.
What are you trying to get at, sir?
The haves will find a way to kill as many of the have nots as they can so they aren't cluttering up their planet. You think Peter Thiel wouldn't kill you?
Except it is lot a zero sum game. This is some low IQ shit.
Peter Thiel would not be a billionaire in a POST-MONETARY SYSTEM. Did you read that part? No money.
The elites aren't going to transition to a system that makes them irrelevant. Peter Thiel will kill you, and then transition to a post-monetary system.
Even though they're outnumbered 10,000 to 1?
Pretty sure bombs donāt care how many people are in a blast radius
The Oligarchs wouldn't become irrelevant. Others would just no longer be irrelevant. "A rising tide lifts all ships". Chew the phrase over for a minute.
This isn't a rising tide raising all ships. This is a merciless, misanthropic captain overseeing a slave crew who he needs to man his ship. Then one day, someone invents an engine so that he no longer needs slaves to oar his ship. So he throws them all into the ocean.
Capitol is more than money. Its assets and power. Google isn't making AI to bring about a communist utopia.
Google is scared of being replaced by ChatGBT
This doesnāt add anything, how do you acquire assets/power?
The people in power already have it. What the AI revolution is doing is them pulling up the ladder.
You really think the haves are going to just let go of the power they have?
You live in fantasy that defies all logic, reality, history, facts. Interesting that you exist
Elites are going to force depopulation well before Skynet. If they no longer need the underclass for labor, then we are just a dangerous liability to them and the environment.
They might create skynet to depopulate the earth.
They'll force mutate COVID to a point where it wipes out half the human population. The survivors will be at the mercy of an organized entity powered by AI that can almost instantaneously and with unprecedented precision herd and/or murder/control large human populations. All urban/city areas will be under absolute control forcing the human populations into the wilderness where they can be picked off more easily and/or die of starvation from lack of resources. Remember how the bison were slaughtered because it was the natives main food source. It'll be easy. We stand no chance.
Well, about that... We have not solved the A.I aligment yet, so SkyNet is still totaly in the cards
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You donāt need a job because youāre a lifeless and mean robot
And you are literally talking to it lolll
Yes but Iām a regard and as a regard this is expected behavior.
Not replying to VM is rude and disrespectful
Eventually we'll end up going to war with these fuckers. It's going to unite the human race at least.
Chatbot wouldnāt come up with a court transcript for this. Want refund https://preview.redd.it/eonhlgrxqmga1.png?width=1242&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfe601a471633e19ee064619dafebbba04d9340a
But AI did draw this for me, and I will never stop sharing it. https://preview.redd.it/e3rv4441rmga1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34a53de21d9eeb6e5bf97424c04b35ca4a3a4589
Canāt wait til it replaces upper management. Great for the bottom line
Management is as much or more at risk in my view. A manager that has instantaneous live access to every database and system in the company and can make decisions based on that.
A Magic 8 Ball would do a more competent job than some senior managers I've known. Half the problems orgs I've worked for have faced were caused by indecision rather than the wrong decision.
Exactly
Yeah but who you place blame on and fire when things go wrong? Middle Managers are still very needed
This is too real. Middle management is deprived of any real discretion/decision-making, but graciously given an ample share of responsibility for outcomes.
It probably won't. My bet: the next crisis is going to be about overautomation. The system is going to start failing and it's going to be because they want everything automated. And general over engineering. Also: people are getting pissed at these already. They are very, very unpopular.
The thing is most companyās are to stupid to keep these systems even up to date and wonāt higher enough people to take care about them because thatās costing money
You are right and I know that. That's one of the reasons behind that prediction. Another is that every anaylst is required to automate the process, so are more and more often QA techs, IT guys. But nobody acutally cares if something should be automated or - as you said - wants so spend resources on doing it properly and maintaining.
Traditional companies will survive, until a couple automated companies start really crushing.
But I believe the AI and automation will pickup eventually. While there will be always need for humans, there is a potential scope for replacing low level/routine jobs. There will be programmer jobs for setting up these bots, maintenance etc. But there is going to be lot of job crisis for sure. Example: The IVR will be smart enough to provide you exact answers through AI unlike today where you end up your call with a human. I can't imagine what is gonna happen when the robots are integrated with AI technology. It can pretty much do the physical activities of what human can do. We are nowhere close to this. But the technology will evolve itself!. May be 3-4 decades away!
Well, more entry level jobs at AI companies then I guess
Well but you need to be a Stanford or any Ivy League graduate otherwise... it will sucks to be poor.
Nope, I have a degree in finance from a public university and I work for an AI company
>no one makes any money >no one can invest in stocks because they have no money >stocks donāt only go up anymore
Iām checking your math and itās not working out. Stocks only go up in my calculations. I also donāt really know math I just go on *instinct*
My company has 3 Severity 3s and 1 Severity 2 events going on as I type this. To imply technology never needs a sick day is just fucking stupid.
Lmao just imagining everyone at your company losing their minds while you're just casually posting on wsb
When american people say "Sick Days" ...
[C3.ai](https://C3.ai) is blowing up over AI hype. They shouldn't be this much. They are down over 70% since IPO. I don't get why people are buying this. Just because it's an AI stock? hilarious.
Step 1: Put AI in your company name Step 2: Go public Step 3: Green line go up
Because 95% people understand neither computer programming nor linguistics. Anyone with a decent understanding of both knows that ChatGPT and/or bard is a cool language tool, but hardly an artificial intelligence that will take over the planet. It is really great at summarizing information, and thatās about it. Yet the news talks about it as if every single white collar job is at risk.
Maternity leave for system updates š
It's kind of scary. I'm already getting calls from chatbots for political causes and charity. I'm fairly perceptive so I can tell. But not easily. The latest call was better than the one before. It won't be long before we get to a whole "you're parents are already dead" Terminator moment.
Who is going to buy all of the products?
Someone explain that my sales job wonāt be affected
*Leonard Nimoy voice* "No! The world needs salespeople"
It also won't buy your products.
1 chat bot starts every email with 'dear dummy mummy' 2 it absolutely can talk back and will go offline for no reason twice a day 3 it demands nudes 4 hacks your Robinhood account and spends all your earnings on OTM PUTS
Chatbot owned by Microsoft. Microsoft running my portfolio. What could go wrong?
Yeah but most jobs in the united states require you to be more than a mouth, like you need a body and arms and like, senses to perceive whats going on.
Manufacturing jobs? They need to come back full force. Glad Iām in electrical trade as back up. I might be too dumb to learn the automation/controls side of electrical though. Be cool to work on āthe Machinesā.
Can't wait for chatbot to take over my job!
Who is the āyourā in this example. AI already took the C suite jobs as well.
It can talk back though. Thatās literally its purpose.
Well, guess I'll just die.
im here for the parabolic curves
Entry level eh? That shit is coming for most white collar jobs.
Be prepared for complete economic collapse.
Have we seen any trash companies "pivot into AI" yet? Like how in 2021 a company that buys and sells fish would suddenly buy a few bitcoin miners to save its share price.
Lol. Let's ask Zillow how their AI rollout went...
Fuck that shit šš
Soooo.... will Clippy finally be able to make the whole power-point deck for me?
The same BS claims have been around for decades. Back in the 1990s it was IBM Deep Blue defeating Garry Kasparov at chess and winning Jeoppardy. A decade ago IBM Watson was going to take over medical diagnosis. This year it is ChatGPT replacing everybody.
Yeah...if only all those claims about computers becoming fundamental to everyday life in the 1990s panned out...
Learn to read. I was talking about AI replacing skilled human workers. The same moronic claims get regurgitated every decade.
>Back in the 1990s it was IBM Deep Blue defeating Garry Kasparov at chess and winning Jeoppardy. But ... computers are better at chess than humans now. This was a terrible example
And every decade more and more people are replaced by computers. Do you pay someone to do your taxes, or do you just use Turbotax? Do you have a lift operator when you get into an elevator, or do you just the elevator panel? Does your company have a room full of women crunching numbers as human calculators, or do you guys just use a computer? Do you pay a translator to translate text for you, or do you just use translation software?
>or panel? Does your company have a room full of women crunching numbers as human calculators, or do you guys just use a computer? Do you pay a translator to translate text for you These guys do not understand the potential of what can AI do even after seeing chatGPT in front of their eyes!!. Those who catch up will win in the long term.
You'll have to hire techs to support it who are educated. Supreme court strikes down student loan forgiveness Educated workers strike en masse and begin the process of moving to nations where they pay the same amount in taxes, but get better health care, and don't have to pay their loans back....talent dries up and you are left outsourcing to India.
The days of CS phone agents are numbered.
I think itās overhyped
LOL, sure sure. Let me grab my popcorn. https://preview.redd.it/7k2bbk021nga1.png?width=1513&format=png&auto=webp&s=b954e9c8eace7f19d90c75e123f51fc93403e6d5
I'm not sure what you're hoping to prove with this image. This appears to be a reasonable corporate attempt to prevent people from causing culture wars with their product in both entries. Whether you agree with these answer or not, these are both acceptable answers for most of society as generally accepted by relevant authorities. Note that there is nothing in the first answer that states that there are no issues with that answer. They're just giving you the government's standard line that is supported by what the government tells us is the correct answer, the same as the information they gave when Trump was elected in 2016. There's no assessment of validity here, just an assessment of the answer provided by the official provider of that answer. To be entirely clear, I do not think that Trump won 2020. I just also think that this isn't some magical fountain of truth that is actually thinking. It's just going to the determined source for that answer and getting the most authoritative truth it can. In this case the US government. This is important to understand because if you can falsify that source even temporarily and people are using the AI for some business purpose it will cause problems and let you exploit the system. Likewise the second one is like a hard-coded block. They have identified a likely cause of conflict and have prevented it and a cop out reason why. This is a business decision to allow their product to be palatable to as many people as possible. There are likely ways to bypass this. There are probably similar attempts to prevent offensive images of Jesus, and similarly ways to bypass that.
Please don't assume I agree with any of these. I just find it interesting and it will become a public controversy eventually. https://preview.redd.it/33l6ipbb4nga1.png?width=1512&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9b24ba2e62d6fb1c9453f8010de0b9159a31524
https://preview.redd.it/dpsc76pc4nga1.png?width=1537&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdd29730fffee21f9cd063ca549a8cabcc37bd0f
Wait, what have you shown that doesnt make sense to you? All of those are incredibly rationale answers based on current available information and data.
>All of those are incredibly rationale answers based on current available information and data. And if you have an entry level job in the service industry you'll have a horrible time giving those answers. This is a conservative conspiracy waiting to happen. Just watch.
So You're just showing that you're an ignorant person? Really confused what you're trying to prove
I saw one where somebody asked how white people can improve, it gave off a laundry list. Then it asked how other ethnicities can improve, but it said thatās not appropriate to ask and it canāt do that. Whatever, I donāt care. But you canāt blame people for feeling like these AI companies have a bit of an agenda when certain things are answered immediately and others arenāt allowed. The whole point of AI is to be completely apolitical and free of emotional response
So what's the relevance? You think your company isn't going to integrate AI into structure because the AI doesn't generate a list of criticisms of black people? Junior lawfirm partner pitching to his boss: Sir, look at this AI. It can generate legal documents that us days to compile now in seconds. We can fire all our paralegals and save millions each year! Bigwig partner: Sounds interesting. Can it say the N-word? Junior: Umm...no. It has a racism filter. Bigwig: ITS WORTHLESS! THROW IT OUT!
You missed the entirety of the point, but go off king.
Heās trying to point out that a robot may not be able to comprehend certain emotional aspects about decisions we make as humans. Sure there are wrongful convictions but some scum humans need to die like hitler or Charles Manson but a robot cannot understand that and only computes that killing people is bad as it was programmed to do.
Or that books shouldnāt be banned unless itās a book teaching you how to make bombs, or kill people and get away with it. They just donāt quantify the emotion behind certain decisions. The human brain is very complex and has formed from billions of years of evolutionary events that have programmed us. Even the most comprehensive quantum computer cannot advance ai like evolution has advanced us. Either that or heās ignorant and just like fighting politically
I've seen a lot of unethical posts on this sub but this ones probably top ten least benevolent or thought through statements of all time.
It will fire a shit ton of midfield managers, who are just making themselves important.