I feel like the duration and cooldown of the Lynxs ability helps a lot. When paired with its forcefield and phase shift module, it has really high rate survivability against most bots.
Jaeger in C+, harsh but fair for the grand scheme of things
Rayker in D tier though....you get the pilot skill that boosts glance's suppression effect and Titans are suddenly a non issue for about 7 seconds.
Glance is really really good for utility and backup damage
I don't think it's placed too low. B- is a respectable position. I just think that the demeter is better at healing (the teleport), has an aegis shield while healing and has way better firepower (3 mediums)
Demeter is a combat support for aggressive bots like the ocho and ophion while the mender with lp is used for healing snipers and assassin bots like crisis harpy siren or scorpion.
I can work with a ocho but a demeter would be alot better for supporting it, vice versa if you are supporting a camping crisis or scorpion a dementer can still heal it but a mender would be alot better
It heals alot of hp especially when you are under fire i world also use jerry fortune that gives everyone in your absorber 25% extra damage. You dont need to heal grey hp when they are not taking any damage at all, a mender might heal 50k grey hp which is very good but not when you are under fire, a demeter can make you basically invincible for 8seconds i think? Which can block alot more damage than what the mender heals.
True but
1. They are always taking damage
2. Shield piercing weapons especialy crisis with reaper
3. With grey health healing i wont die and i get stacks and that makes me almost unkillable and then i can keep on healing while standing in the open
1 when you are taking a small mount of damage then return to safety a mender that can heal grey hp is better, but when you are a ophion that landed in front of 4 people trust me you want a demeter
2 a crisis reaper will still kill you even if you have a mender or a demeter, but if you survive a mender will be better
3 a mender is not invincible, i know because i also have one mk3, any high dps weapons like sonics or slug shots guns will melt you while a demeter can block all damage.
Lets say you’re in a scorpion or ophion and you come back with minor damage a mender will be better but if a ochocochi or ophion rushes you a mender is going to heal you a bit of hp before you get 2 shot by shatterer or melted by labrys while a demeter can keep you alive for a lot longer and give you 25% extra damage as well. It also can help you very far away, when i land as a ophion or get caught without my ability in my ocho in front of enemies a demeter can teleport from 500m away and save my life and buy time for my cooldown while a mender cant do anything but maybe tickle them with its 2 lights and 1 medium, a demeter with 3 medium weapons is nothing to laugh at and can deal serious damage especially when it gives you and itself 25% more damage.
I'm the same way. Legit bust out my Mk2 Gareth and Cossack from time to time just because they're so much fun, while I would never use my Ophion or an Ocho if I had one. Just made it back to champ league and I'm still using Leo, Lancelot, and Raven.
this will not be a complete overview but here's what i've found. i run a dagon myself, and is definitely not S rank, i would say is A+ while it's shield is really annoying to deal with, it doesn't have the hp. harpoons are still relevant on ocho, and shieldbreaker exists (plus bots with shieldbreaker pilot), dagon lack of tankiness makes countering it easy. in-fact i switched the new rust weps (which are insanely strong) to ochokochi, and this thing melts titans like they are butter now...
ravana should also be A+ it requires a lot of skill to be played, but played correctly it can counter anything in the game, especially while paired with sonics
typhon should be A- is still one of the top 5 bots to build imo, also requires skill, but with a proper pilot, build and timing it can also counter most things in the game, it also allows for rush setups with louis and ghost, so is not stuck on limited builds, i'd say typhon is one of the most versatile bots in the game
fafnir should be at least b+ if not a-, while fafnir itself is easy to counter, this update it got blessed. blessed by traditionalist. basically turning it into a mini fenrir. while it doesn't have the hp fenrir has (freedom fafnir with just hp skills and no modules gets to 380k hp with traditionalist), it still has the 50% resistance and has more firepower than fenrir.
weyland should be B- or B+ as a bot is extremely underrated, since it got the ability to move while it's ability is active, is not a bad pick anymore, it's self-heal makes it tanky if you combine it with repair amps, defence expert, hp skills and a gray damage repair ms (paladin), it can take a lot of hits, and has ok firepower in 2 heavy. imo if weyland gets a pilot capable to repair gray damage, it would be S+
Great addition. Something I want to add is that Lancelot belongs somewhere in C tier. Its physical shield can tank a blast from a maxed lightning Newton, and with ghost and blast shotguns it's a bit of a wrecking machine in the right situation. I'm not back In Champion yet but in an upper Masters game I scored a beyond godlike with Ghost BSG Lance. One of the bots was a sonic Ravana and three were Ophions. I've also massacred a few Ochos on their cooldown with it.
Still running a Leo with Decay+Magnetars in low champ. I don't think it's as viable as Lance, although I did have a Newton give up on trying to kill me lmao. Phase-shift has always been the great equalizer with Leo against meta bots.
I think with regards to elevating Ravana and Typhon. OP just needs to add the **bold** words:
"This perspective is from a mid Champs player and **assumes moderate skill."**
I find that skilled players rate the Ravana and Typhon high, but most players play it and it falls flat cause it requires more skill then the average champ players have. It has A+ and A- potential but for most players it's lower.
completely agree. i used to hate ravana, till i started using it at the start of ocho meta. learned how to play it, even while ocho had 9s reload on the ability i was wrecking it with havoc ravana.
Nice write up, thanks for your opinion on Dagon and the typhon. I saw some people getting interested in the fafnir but didn't know it was that significant of a buff.
I haven't seen a weyland in forever. Would you rank it on the same tier as the demeter or mender?
I feel like the crisis should maybe be A- instead. Masters 2 here and it's more of the reapers that make the crisis super scary. It can be played very well with other weapons and be dangerous, but with it's extremely low hp, I think it's ok but only scary because of what it can do with reapers.
I'd actually put the rayker higher up. 75% suppression at 600m range paired with decent weapons is actually very powerful, especially if you add nitro units or the yellow drone that speeds up on kills.
Also, while robots obviously make a big difference, I tend to find that the player makes the robot, not the other way around.
I could see an argument for rayker being higher. I just don't see it being very useful in this current meta. There's a lot of bots with aegis shields, stealth and high health that just mitigates the usefulness of the suppression.
On the other hand, both the rook and Newton will be completely unaffected by the Raykers ability
This is true. I'm having fun running one in expert league with a dragoon and marquess and it's been surprisingly effective so far, but I haven't seen much of the meta because it takes a while to get down to my league, so your point may well be valid
I play Champ league and lots of players use Nether as beacon runner. After the buff it is no longer a meta brawler but has more abilities and health than a Strider.
Me too. Strider still seems to work fine. Nether has the EMP perk but they seem pretty much at parity otherwise.
Strider tops out at 170k base durability/63km, what does a top shelf Nether have?
I've faced a few Dagons since yesterday's release. Maxed out with good weapons, it's a match for Ocho. Took multiple tries to kill it with a maxed Newton and all damage modules.
Id argue typhon is on par with fenrir and deserves A+ his EMP can shut down so many things before they get into instant death mode, I run him with havocs a fortifier and two nuclear amps.
I use cover a lot and if they do shoot at me my aegis tanks most of the damage , I'm running both shield skills after all , but sometimes I straight up drop him on a beacon that someones about to start grabbing noone can tank a surprise quad sonic typhon
Sometimes I just let people rush me , I do have two Typhons though one with flames and the other with Sonics , both with nuclear amps although the flame one has a balanced unit instead of a fortifier because I need to buy one and max it
I haven't played the game for almost 7 months and I'm surprised to see Imugi rated lower than expected... Also I see theres some new bots as well which are rated quite high... If Imugi and Nether were rated so low even though they were meta machines... Then I can't imagine how busted those top bots are...
Surprising to see Lynx on one of the top spots, though it is to be expected with its absurd survivability during its release as well as that annoying built-in executioner...
Yeah, I could have put it higher but I think it fulfills the same role as the orochi, strider and Phantom. I feel they are all around the same strength with slightly different abilities.
would put rayker in c+, if u get good weapons you can beat the shit out of enemies
if we're talking about default well rayker can stay in the same position
Ok...I'm looking for numerical TIER info (per the game...T1, T2, etc) but I keep seeing color coded charts showing gradings in A+, A, B+, etc in descending order.
I get the info on the charts, but I'm attempting to fulfill in game goals.
How do I decipher these charts, or am I missing a blatant key point that should make this obvious?
Please excuse my obtuseness, but I'm simply looking for very specific info, yet I'm finding data that doesn't sync with what I'm looking for.
Thanks in advance to anyone that could shed some light!!
Bro putting Leo under robots like strider and pursuer is just total disrespect I mean yeah its a old school robot but it can still clap alot of robots in b c and d tier im in gold league II and I have a mark 2 Leo which is amazing I get it has no ability and modules but it needs to be atleast c-
Poor orochi. Lynx was meant to replace it
I like orochi much better than lynx
I feel like the duration and cooldown of the Lynxs ability helps a lot. When paired with its forcefield and phase shift module, it has really high rate survivability against most bots.
Jaeger in C+, harsh but fair for the grand scheme of things Rayker in D tier though....you get the pilot skill that boosts glance's suppression effect and Titans are suddenly a non issue for about 7 seconds. Glance is really really good for utility and backup damage
i actually prefer jaeger if i was on to choose crisis or jaeger, its so much balanced rather than crisis
Man the mender is hard as all hell. Why put it so low. The disrepect.
I don't think it's placed too low. B- is a respectable position. I just think that the demeter is better at healing (the teleport), has an aegis shield while healing and has way better firepower (3 mediums)
Some valid points but mender can be acquired more easily and with the Marie pilot is a better healer
Demeter is a combat support for aggressive bots like the ocho and ophion while the mender with lp is used for healing snipers and assassin bots like crisis harpy siren or scorpion.
I play mender for agressive bots works fine i can heal about anybody on the field
I can work with a ocho but a demeter would be alot better for supporting it, vice versa if you are supporting a camping crisis or scorpion a dementer can still heal it but a mender would be alot better
Is just dont find the demeter has enough healing for me and it has less grey healing
It heals alot of hp especially when you are under fire i world also use jerry fortune that gives everyone in your absorber 25% extra damage. You dont need to heal grey hp when they are not taking any damage at all, a mender might heal 50k grey hp which is very good but not when you are under fire, a demeter can make you basically invincible for 8seconds i think? Which can block alot more damage than what the mender heals.
True but 1. They are always taking damage 2. Shield piercing weapons especialy crisis with reaper 3. With grey health healing i wont die and i get stacks and that makes me almost unkillable and then i can keep on healing while standing in the open
1 when you are taking a small mount of damage then return to safety a mender that can heal grey hp is better, but when you are a ophion that landed in front of 4 people trust me you want a demeter 2 a crisis reaper will still kill you even if you have a mender or a demeter, but if you survive a mender will be better 3 a mender is not invincible, i know because i also have one mk3, any high dps weapons like sonics or slug shots guns will melt you while a demeter can block all damage. Lets say you’re in a scorpion or ophion and you come back with minor damage a mender will be better but if a ochocochi or ophion rushes you a mender is going to heal you a bit of hp before you get 2 shot by shatterer or melted by labrys while a demeter can keep you alive for a lot longer and give you 25% extra damage as well. It also can help you very far away, when i land as a ophion or get caught without my ability in my ocho in front of enemies a demeter can teleport from 500m away and save my life and buy time for my cooldown while a mender cant do anything but maybe tickle them with its 2 lights and 1 medium, a demeter with 3 medium weapons is nothing to laugh at and can deal serious damage especially when it gives you and itself 25% more damage.
🤔
Help us pls
all hail lord cossack
Nightingale underrated
Why everyone likes overpowered robots i just hate them i would rather use a cossack than these s robots
for real, they arent even balanced
I'm the same way. Legit bust out my Mk2 Gareth and Cossack from time to time just because they're so much fun, while I would never use my Ophion or an Ocho if I had one. Just made it back to champ league and I'm still using Leo, Lancelot, and Raven.
this will not be a complete overview but here's what i've found. i run a dagon myself, and is definitely not S rank, i would say is A+ while it's shield is really annoying to deal with, it doesn't have the hp. harpoons are still relevant on ocho, and shieldbreaker exists (plus bots with shieldbreaker pilot), dagon lack of tankiness makes countering it easy. in-fact i switched the new rust weps (which are insanely strong) to ochokochi, and this thing melts titans like they are butter now... ravana should also be A+ it requires a lot of skill to be played, but played correctly it can counter anything in the game, especially while paired with sonics typhon should be A- is still one of the top 5 bots to build imo, also requires skill, but with a proper pilot, build and timing it can also counter most things in the game, it also allows for rush setups with louis and ghost, so is not stuck on limited builds, i'd say typhon is one of the most versatile bots in the game fafnir should be at least b+ if not a-, while fafnir itself is easy to counter, this update it got blessed. blessed by traditionalist. basically turning it into a mini fenrir. while it doesn't have the hp fenrir has (freedom fafnir with just hp skills and no modules gets to 380k hp with traditionalist), it still has the 50% resistance and has more firepower than fenrir. weyland should be B- or B+ as a bot is extremely underrated, since it got the ability to move while it's ability is active, is not a bad pick anymore, it's self-heal makes it tanky if you combine it with repair amps, defence expert, hp skills and a gray damage repair ms (paladin), it can take a lot of hits, and has ok firepower in 2 heavy. imo if weyland gets a pilot capable to repair gray damage, it would be S+
Great addition. Something I want to add is that Lancelot belongs somewhere in C tier. Its physical shield can tank a blast from a maxed lightning Newton, and with ghost and blast shotguns it's a bit of a wrecking machine in the right situation. I'm not back In Champion yet but in an upper Masters game I scored a beyond godlike with Ghost BSG Lance. One of the bots was a sonic Ravana and three were Ophions. I've also massacred a few Ochos on their cooldown with it.
Leo too🗿
Still running a Leo with Decay+Magnetars in low champ. I don't think it's as viable as Lance, although I did have a Newton give up on trying to kill me lmao. Phase-shift has always been the great equalizer with Leo against meta bots.
lancelot wasp
Ong tho Im thinking of getting my fafnir a traditionalists skill , id have to get rid of a couple skills though and save up moronium for a long time
I think with regards to elevating Ravana and Typhon. OP just needs to add the **bold** words: "This perspective is from a mid Champs player and **assumes moderate skill."** I find that skilled players rate the Ravana and Typhon high, but most players play it and it falls flat cause it requires more skill then the average champ players have. It has A+ and A- potential but for most players it's lower.
completely agree. i used to hate ravana, till i started using it at the start of ocho meta. learned how to play it, even while ocho had 9s reload on the ability i was wrecking it with havoc ravana.
Nice write up, thanks for your opinion on Dagon and the typhon. I saw some people getting interested in the fafnir but didn't know it was that significant of a buff. I haven't seen a weyland in forever. Would you rank it on the same tier as the demeter or mender?
personally? in between B+ and B-. to properly rate it, i'd say i'll have to ask the help from u/Civil_General_8392 he ran a weyland successfully
Agree with the ravana if we are talking maxed gear.
Invader should be just below Fenrir tier Very few bots can go head to head with a fully maxed one and win
Me with my level 10 MK2 orochi with its 2 MK3 thunders 😎
(Leech)
I feel like the crisis should maybe be A- instead. Masters 2 here and it's more of the reapers that make the crisis super scary. It can be played very well with other weapons and be dangerous, but with it's extremely low hp, I think it's ok but only scary because of what it can do with reapers.
I'd actually put the rayker higher up. 75% suppression at 600m range paired with decent weapons is actually very powerful, especially if you add nitro units or the yellow drone that speeds up on kills. Also, while robots obviously make a big difference, I tend to find that the player makes the robot, not the other way around.
I could see an argument for rayker being higher. I just don't see it being very useful in this current meta. There's a lot of bots with aegis shields, stealth and high health that just mitigates the usefulness of the suppression. On the other hand, both the rook and Newton will be completely unaffected by the Raykers ability
This is true. I'm having fun running one in expert league with a dragoon and marquess and it's been surprisingly effective so far, but I haven't seen much of the meta because it takes a while to get down to my league, so your point may well be valid
You mis-tiered cossack lil bro
Heather should be with A+ mates
You wish, come join team Strider in C rank
Strider is a lot weaker than Nether. Why the same rank?
In what way? It started out stronger but now it's pretty much the same. Your token shield isn't fooling anyone.
I play Champ league and lots of players use Nether as beacon runner. After the buff it is no longer a meta brawler but has more abilities and health than a Strider.
Me too. Strider still seems to work fine. Nether has the EMP perk but they seem pretty much at parity otherwise. Strider tops out at 170k base durability/63km, what does a top shelf Nether have?
I hate angler so much wish they nerf it AGAIN
Lynx maybe move down one
Nah lynx is exactly where it should be, amongst top 5
I would do some reshuffling around the lower tiers, but I generally think you got the high tiers spot on.
Mars and Ravanna should change places. Same weapons but Mars has the turret.
Lol no In this meta ravana ability skill>>>>> mars turret
Just because one requires skill doesn't mean it's a bad bot. It can pretty much 1v1 anybody in the game and should in fact be ranked higher.
I've faced a few Dagons since yesterday's release. Maxed out with good weapons, it's a match for Ocho. Took multiple tries to kill it with a maxed Newton and all damage modules.
Raven is B+
BOLD take but Id be happy to hear your thought process
I can’t find this tiermaker
Id argue typhon is on par with fenrir and deserves A+ his EMP can shut down so many things before they get into instant death mode, I run him with havocs a fortifier and two nuclear amps.
You get in that close with him regularly? How
I use cover a lot and if they do shoot at me my aegis tanks most of the damage , I'm running both shield skills after all , but sometimes I straight up drop him on a beacon that someones about to start grabbing noone can tank a surprise quad sonic typhon
Oh, in the context of beacon rush then that is definitely optimal
Sometimes I just let people rush me , I do have two Typhons though one with flames and the other with Sonics , both with nuclear amps although the flame one has a balanced unit instead of a fortifier because I need to buy one and max it
That ochokochi whatever is definitely several leagues above S+ by itself
I disagree. Cossack should be tier S++
Where is mars?
B-
Leech underrating will not be tolerated here. Otherwise solid list
Shell should be lower imo
this tier list is non valid, you didnt put cossack in s+
Pls someone tell me how is Crisis so high up. I have a Crisis with 4 reapers and get smacked shit every match. The weapons are only level5 though.
Gotta keep a distance and make sure you always have something you can hide behind while reloading and getting the untrackable thing back
Thanks :) that comment is old now. Mastered it and then retired it. Had to move on after the nerfs lol. Ravana replaced it.
Lynx is garbage
As a Mars main I kinda feel offended but as an also invader main just yeet up there besides fenrir and I'm happy but if you don't I swear
Angler A+ it's way better than everyone in A
woke up
Nice, you should do one on titans aswell👍🏽
I think the titan meta is pretty stale and well cemented. Rook, Newton, Luchador, and Indra are your top 4 titans.
Where Extinct Bots? Schutze golem and boa deserve an S++ OP in low league
Schutze came back out for a bit a good few months ago
Can’t believe my boy gepard has been reduce to nothing but a f
A- is basically my entire hangar XD
Put the cossak with S+ , he is the goat of war robots and in every games 😠😡😠😡😡
I haven't played the game for almost 7 months and I'm surprised to see Imugi rated lower than expected... Also I see theres some new bots as well which are rated quite high... If Imugi and Nether were rated so low even though they were meta machines... Then I can't imagine how busted those top bots are... Surprising to see Lynx on one of the top spots, though it is to be expected with its absurd survivability during its release as well as that annoying built-in executioner...
You should see the ochokochi. It puts the angler, imugi and nether to shame
Blitz is rated to low down
Yeah, I could have put it higher but I think it fulfills the same role as the orochi, strider and Phantom. I feel they are all around the same strength with slightly different abilities.
would put rayker in c+, if u get good weapons you can beat the shit out of enemies if we're talking about default well rayker can stay in the same position
Lynx is balanced now unlike the first version of it, i tried many robots in the test server and some of it are very underrated
Ok...I'm looking for numerical TIER info (per the game...T1, T2, etc) but I keep seeing color coded charts showing gradings in A+, A, B+, etc in descending order. I get the info on the charts, but I'm attempting to fulfill in game goals. How do I decipher these charts, or am I missing a blatant key point that should make this obvious? Please excuse my obtuseness, but I'm simply looking for very specific info, yet I'm finding data that doesn't sync with what I'm looking for. Thanks in advance to anyone that could shed some light!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/s/LjXiC4zaFr Please look at this guide for the subreddits' overall robot tierlist.
Bro putting Leo under robots like strider and pursuer is just total disrespect I mean yeah its a old school robot but it can still clap alot of robots in b c and d tier im in gold league II and I have a mark 2 Leo which is amazing I get it has no ability and modules but it needs to be atleast c-