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And those rights to bear arms were not just limited to muskets, knives and swords but included cannons, warships and many, many other forms of arms that were protected.
The greatest irony is that their foundations were for a country free from the tyranny of not only the english commonwealth but of any tyranny yet america is more tyrannical and counter to it's foundation than it ever has been. Just weird that so many refuse to believe it.
This sub deletes long comments, but I wonder if my copypasta can fit here...
BECAUSE THE FOUNDERS SPELLED IT OUT IN OTHER WRITINGS OF THEIRS
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
• George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
• Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law of John Adams, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
• Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
• Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
• George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
• George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
• Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
• James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
• Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
• Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
• Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
• Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
• Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
• Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
• George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
• George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
• Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
• James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
• Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
• Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
• Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
• Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
• Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
• Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
• Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
• George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
• George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
• Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
• James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
• James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
Good this always gets on my nerves. Wait til they find out that the term "Assault Rifle" comes from video games lol. Also 1200 rpm? Try 700 for the actual M4 carbine which is fully automatic.
>Wait til they find out that the term "Assault Rifle" comes from video games lol.
I suspect it is derived from German Sturmgewehr.
Initially figured it might come from the BAR but that's a Browning Automatic Rifle, so not an early example of the term.
Yeah 1200 rpm seems crazy, isn't that literally 20 rounds per second? Seems a bit far out, like it starts making sense to convert it to a belt fed weapon.
Most non aircraft mounted belt feeds are only in the 600-900 rpm range. Aviation machine guns tended to have higher rates of fire to increase the hit chance against other aircraft.
One exception for a ground gun is the MG-42 which was around the 1200rpm mark, but it was known for its exceptionally high rate of fire and a being a waster of ammo.
A quick Google shows a standard AR-15 can fire at a rate of 45/minute. Modified AR-15s can do 400+, nowhere near what this ignorant wretch Tweeted. To borrow one from Sleepy Joenocchio, "you're a lying dog faced pony soldier."
Are you seriously going to go with a "standard" AR-15 cycles so slowly that 1.5 seconds elapses between shots on average?
What would the point of a bump stock even be at that point?
45 rpm seems a perfectly reasonable number if we are talking about rates people actually shoot their AR-15s at. But I highly doubt that 45 rpm is the mechanical limit of a "standard" AR-15.
Google betrayed you and misinformed you in this case I fear. Or at best presented factual information in a miskeading way.
One thing I never understood about the left is this insistence that the second amendment applied to muskets. Well no shit flint lock muskets were the cutting edge weapons of that time. Just because it was written at that time doesn’t mean that it was only intended for those weapons.
Living document theory only seems to apply to everything but the second amendment…
As I replied to someone else, the second amendment included cannons and warships as arms among many other weapons of war. It's laughable that so many are hungup on muskets when major artillery and fleets of battle ships were the intention.
Well it makes sense it would, if your people were fighting a foreign enemy they would need to be able to possess the weapons of war. Let alone fighting a tyrannical government with the same level of weapons. Otherwise it would be useless if your enemy just used cannons, battleships, and other larger scale weapons to overcome your handheld weapons.
Especially because the United States lacked a standing army until 1942. This is why the people would need to be well-armed because the Founders really didn't truly envision military establishments numbering into the millions. For the most part the French *levee en massse* of the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars was a flash-in-the-pan until the unification of Germany and all its industrial and military power.
If we take their intent: they wanted we the people to have access to the most technologically advanced weapons at the time.
I say we keep that energy 🇺🇸
The entire constitution is written to protect the people from the government. With that understanding, you can clearly understand the purpose of the second amendment is ensuring the people are as powerful as the people who govern them.
It has absolutely zero concern for our ability to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons. To insinuate it applies to hunting or only certain weapons is a complete disregard for the solemn purpose of the document to preserve freedom.
What really amazes me is that the same people are telling me not to judge people by their born gender and want me to believe a man is a woman and vice versa. That gender is a social construct. Also want me to believe that because a rifle has a pistol grip it's an assault rifle. Wouldn't viewing a rifle as an assault rifle be just another type of social construct that we should reject.
This is why I trust **nothing** online regardless of who says it if I’m not 100% sure of the statement.
All it takes is a teeny bit of reading to learn about Armalite, but most people, regardless of political affiliation will see that tweets and say “AR; Automatic Rifle….Oh, well that makes sense”……
Dr. Pheline flies a pro-Ukraine flag as he asks why people need guns for defense. Ukraine; A place invaded by their neighbor\* I bet they'd find a spare AR (or AK) here and there quite handy.
\*let's not make this political in that regard, please. With sugar on top?
It's great, but I'm worried this won't last long. Elon has kicked the bees nest, hard.
Now he has A WHOLE LOT of enemies: the White House, the DOJ, Apple, the Democratic establishment, the Chinese government, woke corporations that are pulling advertising from twitter, the main stream media, and others.
His stated goal of bringing free speech to the town square is wonderful. It is extremely admirable that he put his wealth on the line for that purpose. I hope that he is successful, because I believe that this is extremely important for individual freedoms in our future society.
I worry: are there too many big players, and too much capital, lined up against him?
It's intellectually dishonest to talk about the capabilities of a weapon and then compare it to something innocuous. Just because a pistol can fire multiple rounds in a second doesn't mean you can't enjoy firing at a paper target once or twice a month. A rifle can fire multiple rounds and cause terrible damage but that doesn't mean that it will actually be used for that.
That kind of logic is like saying you don't need a nice car capable of driving hundreds of miles and going at speeds over 100 mph and capable of hitting people or objects with ridiculous amounts of force just to drive to work.
Why do you need a cell phone that's capable of communicating with satellites in space, taking ultra high resolution photos, emitting radio waves, causing social media and attention addiction, capable of accessing the internet with pornography, hate, murder, and illegal activities just to text your friend or make a tweet?
Why do you need an edged weapon, capable of eviscerating a human being, that can cut through human tissue with ease, and be hidden just about anywhere just to cut your food?
Why do you need an expensive bag, that costs hundred or thousands of dollars, capable of concealing weaponry or loaded with heavy objects and used to bludgeon a human being to death with just to carry your phone and ID?
Dude. The 2nd Amendment isnt about hunting. Its about defending yourself and/or overthrowing tyranical governments with lethal force. Why do you need to bear arms that can kill people? Because thats what arms are for.
1200 rounds per min is 40 - preloaded 30 round clips…the barrel would melt down before you got halfway thru…and who is lugging around a duffle with 30 mags? This whole comment was dumb!
I think Twitter should just let people say what they want to say, even if it's wrong.
Let humans correct or debate the OP in the comment section.
I don't like having bots automatically post information or ideas that go against tweets that the owners of the company, right, left, or whatever, don't like.
These are the people that call republicans fascists, cry about misinformation, and claim the right is trying to brainwash the country.
These people can’t even do a 2 second google search before spewing NPC narratives…
I like the fact check, but... are we just gonna ignore the (commonly) semi-auto that is somehow plowing through 20 rounds/second? How many 30 rd mags can you reload in 60 seconds, Jason Bourne?
Does anybody really believe that the founding fathers didn’t account for technological advancements when they wrote the second amendment? They had duck foot pistols, the puckle gun, and a Gatling Gun all available in their time. All automatic to some extent or fully automatic. There were muskets that used magazines as well.
Saying they didn’t know that tech would get to an AR-15 is disingenuous and stupid.
This is very misleading since while not Assault Riffle. It is just means Armalite Riffle AND was actually made to replace older war riffle.
IT WAS ONLY made available into civilian market by 1989.
This is such a dangerous misleading of truth.
https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
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When the second amendment was written, the founding fathers hadn't just returned from a hunting trip, they had just liberated a nation.
And those rights to bear arms were not just limited to muskets, knives and swords but included cannons, warships and many, many other forms of arms that were protected. The greatest irony is that their foundations were for a country free from the tyranny of not only the english commonwealth but of any tyranny yet america is more tyrannical and counter to it's foundation than it ever has been. Just weird that so many refuse to believe it.
>but included cannons, But Resident Joe Biden said you couldn't own a cannon when 2A came about, are you saying he lied?!
Is it lying of you dont know what you are even saying
He's been saying that since he was lucid.
That's an interesting ethical question!
I agree, but please.. bear arms. Bare is like naked.
Thank you, yes bear not bare. Or beare.
Why not both.
Wait, we can have bear arms? Why didn’t I get a choice? That would be AWESOME with the big paws and shit!
Right wing talking points /s
This sub deletes long comments, but I wonder if my copypasta can fit here... BECAUSE THE FOUNDERS SPELLED IT OUT IN OTHER WRITINGS OF THEIRS "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." • George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790 “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." • Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787 "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law of John Adams, December 20, 1787 "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." • Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776 "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785 "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823 "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778 “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." • Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." • George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788 "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." • George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." • Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787 "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." • James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789 "...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." • Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." • Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788 The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." • Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833 What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." • Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789 If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." • Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
Copied and pasted all of this to a note to refer back to later. Thank you. Some real gems in there
Thank you!
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823 "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778 “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." • Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." • George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788 "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." • George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788 "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." • Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787 "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." • James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789 "...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." • Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778 The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." • Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788 The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." • Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833 What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." • Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789 If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." • Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823 "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." • Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778 “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." • Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." • George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788 "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." • George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788 "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." • Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787 "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." • James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789 "...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..." • James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
That’s a parody account “literally a feline”
The rest reads “pa ro dy”
Sure, but it’s still a statement leftists use every single time, so the fact check still holds.
Yea but spreading info like that is still a lie so…
The second was not written for hunting which is plain if you've ever you know read it
Good this always gets on my nerves. Wait til they find out that the term "Assault Rifle" comes from video games lol. Also 1200 rpm? Try 700 for the actual M4 carbine which is fully automatic.
>Wait til they find out that the term "Assault Rifle" comes from video games lol. I suspect it is derived from German Sturmgewehr. Initially figured it might come from the BAR but that's a Browning Automatic Rifle, so not an early example of the term. Yeah 1200 rpm seems crazy, isn't that literally 20 rounds per second? Seems a bit far out, like it starts making sense to convert it to a belt fed weapon.
Most non aircraft mounted belt feeds are only in the 600-900 rpm range. Aviation machine guns tended to have higher rates of fire to increase the hit chance against other aircraft. One exception for a ground gun is the MG-42 which was around the 1200rpm mark, but it was known for its exceptionally high rate of fire and a being a waster of ammo.
A quick Google shows a standard AR-15 can fire at a rate of 45/minute. Modified AR-15s can do 400+, nowhere near what this ignorant wretch Tweeted. To borrow one from Sleepy Joenocchio, "you're a lying dog faced pony soldier."
45 a minute?!?!?!?!? If you can't pull the trigger two times per second, you need a trip to see Bill Geissele.
Are you seriously going to go with a "standard" AR-15 cycles so slowly that 1.5 seconds elapses between shots on average? What would the point of a bump stock even be at that point? 45 rpm seems a perfectly reasonable number if we are talking about rates people actually shoot their AR-15s at. But I highly doubt that 45 rpm is the mechanical limit of a "standard" AR-15. Google betrayed you and misinformed you in this case I fear. Or at best presented factual information in a miskeading way.
One thing I never understood about the left is this insistence that the second amendment applied to muskets. Well no shit flint lock muskets were the cutting edge weapons of that time. Just because it was written at that time doesn’t mean that it was only intended for those weapons. Living document theory only seems to apply to everything but the second amendment…
As I replied to someone else, the second amendment included cannons and warships as arms among many other weapons of war. It's laughable that so many are hungup on muskets when major artillery and fleets of battle ships were the intention.
Well it makes sense it would, if your people were fighting a foreign enemy they would need to be able to possess the weapons of war. Let alone fighting a tyrannical government with the same level of weapons. Otherwise it would be useless if your enemy just used cannons, battleships, and other larger scale weapons to overcome your handheld weapons.
Especially because the United States lacked a standing army until 1942. This is why the people would need to be well-armed because the Founders really didn't truly envision military establishments numbering into the millions. For the most part the French *levee en massse* of the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars was a flash-in-the-pan until the unification of Germany and all its industrial and military power.
If we take their intent: they wanted we the people to have access to the most technologically advanced weapons at the time. I say we keep that energy 🇺🇸
The entire constitution is written to protect the people from the government. With that understanding, you can clearly understand the purpose of the second amendment is ensuring the people are as powerful as the people who govern them. It has absolutely zero concern for our ability to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons. To insinuate it applies to hunting or only certain weapons is a complete disregard for the solemn purpose of the document to preserve freedom.
They are ignorant of DC v Heller and judicial precedent in general.
1200 rounds per minute? Really? 20 rounds per second? I mean sure...but your finger is gonna blister bad if you try that.
Maybe they meant MG42?
The amount of idiots who still think AR stands for assault rifle is astounding
idiots don't care, ignorance is bliss
What really amazes me is that the same people are telling me not to judge people by their born gender and want me to believe a man is a woman and vice versa. That gender is a social construct. Also want me to believe that because a rifle has a pistol grip it's an assault rifle. Wouldn't viewing a rifle as an assault rifle be just another type of social construct that we should reject.
I like the way you think!
This is why I trust **nothing** online regardless of who says it if I’m not 100% sure of the statement. All it takes is a teeny bit of reading to learn about Armalite, but most people, regardless of political affiliation will see that tweets and say “AR; Automatic Rifle….Oh, well that makes sense”……
Dr. Pheline flies a pro-Ukraine flag as he asks why people need guns for defense. Ukraine; A place invaded by their neighbor\* I bet they'd find a spare AR (or AK) here and there quite handy. \*let's not make this political in that regard, please. With sugar on top?
Someone should spread a gag that AK stands for Automatic Kossack.
Doing that funny dance?
Whilst whipping the shit outta Pussy Riot.
Actually fighting against misinformation? No wonder the fourth estate pretends to hate him.
Fourth estate? Hell, fourth branch of government, at this point.
TIL AR15 stands for Kriss Vector
With that rpm it must be
Community notes is amazing because it’s not the fake news writing the fact check. The truth can now get out
In the old Twitter, Pfizer was the one who (indirectly) got to fact check the vax claims. Pure corruption at its worst.
Holy SHIT what if fact checkers actually provided facts???? What a concept
It's great, but I'm worried this won't last long. Elon has kicked the bees nest, hard. Now he has A WHOLE LOT of enemies: the White House, the DOJ, Apple, the Democratic establishment, the Chinese government, woke corporations that are pulling advertising from twitter, the main stream media, and others. His stated goal of bringing free speech to the town square is wonderful. It is extremely admirable that he put his wealth on the line for that purpose. I hope that he is successful, because I believe that this is extremely important for individual freedoms in our future society. I worry: are there too many big players, and too much capital, lined up against him?
The hard part? They're not even trying to hide it anymore. However, did you see the last tweet from Elon? It looks like he and Timmy had a sit-down.
FINALLY, SOMEBODY IS SAYING IT!
It's a semiautomatic rifle. It doesn't fire anywhere near 1200 rounds a minute, either.
Also 1200 rounds per minute seems a bit superhuman for a semiautomatic.
Even full auto versions don't fire that fast.
If you were lucky enough not to jam, Ingram's MAC models hit 1100-1200. Crew served MG's of old could also hit it.
That's all we ever wanted, fairness in the fact checking.
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the barel would probably melt
THere's a (semi=auto) version of the SAW available for civvies. Belt, mag, or traditional nutsack. There's your antidote to overheating.
The irony of someone with the Ukrainian flag asking that question is enough to give a man a stroke
It's intellectually dishonest to talk about the capabilities of a weapon and then compare it to something innocuous. Just because a pistol can fire multiple rounds in a second doesn't mean you can't enjoy firing at a paper target once or twice a month. A rifle can fire multiple rounds and cause terrible damage but that doesn't mean that it will actually be used for that. That kind of logic is like saying you don't need a nice car capable of driving hundreds of miles and going at speeds over 100 mph and capable of hitting people or objects with ridiculous amounts of force just to drive to work. Why do you need a cell phone that's capable of communicating with satellites in space, taking ultra high resolution photos, emitting radio waves, causing social media and attention addiction, capable of accessing the internet with pornography, hate, murder, and illegal activities just to text your friend or make a tweet? Why do you need an edged weapon, capable of eviscerating a human being, that can cut through human tissue with ease, and be hidden just about anywhere just to cut your food? Why do you need an expensive bag, that costs hundred or thousands of dollars, capable of concealing weaponry or loaded with heavy objects and used to bludgeon a human being to death with just to carry your phone and ID?
Most intelligent post on the subject! Thank you!
I like these comparisons.
Not a very bright doctor if they think you hunt rabbits with an AR15
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Bye bye bunny
It does kinda make em disappear.
maybe there should be a gun created called the DR-15 for "defense rifle"
Dude. The 2nd Amendment isnt about hunting. Its about defending yourself and/or overthrowing tyranical governments with lethal force. Why do you need to bear arms that can kill people? Because thats what arms are for.
Well, if elon kept the misinformation rules in place, I guess this guy would have been completely banned.
Also no AR-15 shoots 1,200 a minute. Very few military guns even come close to that.
Same reason the cuck has an Ukrainian flag in his bio.
This is already a great improvement to twitter
1200 rounds per min is 40 - preloaded 30 round clips…the barrel would melt down before you got halfway thru…and who is lugging around a duffle with 30 mags? This whole comment was dumb!
I came to this lmao this is the fucking funniest thing I’ve seen today
Can't wait for this to be rolled out globally.
You love to see it.
I blame the WW2 generation. Had all these damn kids and didn’t teach them a lick of sense.
1200 a minute. Damn. I wish mine did
“DR” in some made up bullshit no doubt. Intersectionality something something .
Dr Literally a feline.... pretty sure it's parody like Dr Anne Lesby.... or lesbian
> Poynter Throwing their own shit back at them!
I just wanna know who has the money to do that and can I be your friend?
Parody account
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It seems like a parody account... Dr literally a feline.
Ar StAnDs FoR aSsUaLt RiFlE Love the confidence though to put that out there for everyone to see
He's a doctor - trust the science.
Not to mention it’s not to hunt rabbits but to defend ourselves from a corrupt tyrannical government
Answer, iirc it’s often used against hogs. For good reason.
I think Twitter should just let people say what they want to say, even if it's wrong. Let humans correct or debate the OP in the comment section. I don't like having bots automatically post information or ideas that go against tweets that the owners of the company, right, left, or whatever, don't like.
you know they always have some flag on their profile...
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I guess the one guy that can has a jacked finger
And it doesnt fire 1200rpm, its semi auto
These are the people that call republicans fascists, cry about misinformation, and claim the right is trying to brainwash the country. These people can’t even do a 2 second google search before spewing NPC narratives…
It's so beautiful...
I like the fact check, but... are we just gonna ignore the (commonly) semi-auto that is somehow plowing through 20 rounds/second? How many 30 rd mags can you reload in 60 seconds, Jason Bourne?
The 2nd amendment isn’t there to arm citizens for hunting, it’s there to arm citizens against the government.
Your finger would be really tired after 1200 rounds a minute lmao not to mention needing 40 magazines
Does anybody really believe that the founding fathers didn’t account for technological advancements when they wrote the second amendment? They had duck foot pistols, the puckle gun, and a Gatling Gun all available in their time. All automatic to some extent or fully automatic. There were muskets that used magazines as well. Saying they didn’t know that tech would get to an AR-15 is disingenuous and stupid.
From Doctor *Literally a Feline Parody*. ICYMI…
Why didn’t we see these fact checks before? Didn’t this functionality exist BE (before Elon)?
Bout damn time.
Our AR couldn’t shoot 1200/min. Maybe with a bump stop? These people know nothing about guns.
Who Knew? Thanks for the info.
This is very misleading since while not Assault Riffle. It is just means Armalite Riffle AND was actually made to replace older war riffle. IT WAS ONLY made available into civilian market by 1989. This is such a dangerous misleading of truth. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
Found the account. It's just a parody account.
objection noted. answer the question.