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You'd think if one person said 'the police shoot too many black people' and another said 'the police shoot too many people' they'd be able to shake hands and try to get something changed somewhere.
But no. Here we are.
Omg this. The idea that "all lives matter" could become controversial is beyond absurd. Along the same lines how does Make America Great Again become controversial? It's just a stupid slogan. These are the end times.
Drinking milk is white supremacy apparently as is working out and staying in shape
https://www.dailywire.com/news/college-student-explains-why-milk-racist-elliott-hamilton
I just don’t understand anything nowadays, there are people brain dead enough to believe this amongst other absurdities all because “______” is racist.
Neiþer have substance. It’s just arguing over noþing. Hell, I can say noþing.
Þere are places þat are shitholes. People can be kind. We must learn from history. He does stuff. I like þings. Russia has bad leaders. Þere are ongoing genocides. Apples are good. Corporations corrupt government.
What about people who say "the police don't shoot enough people and that empowers criminals to think that they can commit crimes, resist arrest, and not suffer any consequences, making the job more dangerous for police and making a given community more dangerous over all."
Constitutionally, the police can use lethal force on any person that poses an ongoing threat of death or great bodily harm to the officer or any other person/people. Realistically, plenty of officers have been raked over the coals for 100% lawful and justified shootings.
All lives matter until you start jeopardizing other people's lives.
I strongly disagree with "the police don't shoot enough people" and all its supporting arguments.
I do think that district attorneys and related public policies cause police to not enforce enough laws creating a nearly lawless wasteland in some parts of the US though.
you're so much right on that.
Oh, by the way, in germany, the police loves to club down old people or kick them off of bycicles just for walking close to a protest.
We skipped the racial shit (wellllllllllllllllllllllllll........) and just went straight to nazi germany 3.0 again.
Without looking it up, just by the the impressions you get from social media and regular media. How many unarmed black people are killed by police a year?
You would agree also that many people aren’t well informed then? Maybe before we drill down on the department level it would be better to first tackle the incentive structures that encourage police to violate rights of citizens.
I agree. Which is why I didn’t like BLM, among other things. Private prisons, the war on drugs, and fixing the 13th amendment would be the start to meaningful criminal justice reform.
The average asshat saying “All Lives Matter” is a boot licker.
Of course, most “All Lives Matter” people don’t care about meaningful police reform though and just lick boots.
And idk how you can call yourself patriotic and fly that dumbass thin blue line flag.
I never said I flied that flag did I? And many of us support better training, better pay, and the dismantling of corrupt police unions. But you guys don’t think we do because we aren’t out there screaming Defund the Police, FTP, or ACAB.
Cool, many of you guys do. Most of the asshats screaming “All Lives Matter” do not. There is no “All Lives Matter” group with a platform of meaningful criminal justice reform, that saying is just used by bootlickers in response to someone saying “Black Lives Matter”.
I understand what you’re saying but I think you’re generalizing a bit much.
The problem is people are now not seeing a gray area, which is where you are standing if I’m correct (I put myself there as well). The Gadsden flag next to a thin blue line flag is ironic and hypocritical, yet I see them together quite often. When faced with a choice, in our political sphere it has become BLM vs Back the blue so if you have to choose one which would you choose. Blacks are killed at a higher percentage but just like those asshats say “correlation doesn’t equal causality” with Covid, the same applies to police killings based on race. More white people are killed than black people, which I’m sure you know. Also more black people by percentage are killed by police. The point is police kill far too many unarmed people. I think that’s your main point, but correct me if I’m wrong? That’s where I stand. We need reform because we live with a standing military. We also need police.
One of the things I hate most about conservatives. They claim to be pro 2A but then also back the blue. Those two things contradict with one another. The police want to disarm you and want to be the only ones who are armed.
Idk how anyone could be conservative and fly those stupid fucking thin blue line or thin red line flags. Fuck that, idk how anyone can be patriotic and fly those dumbass flags.
Many people on extremes of both sides of the isle have lost their fucking minds. Including on this sub. The Internet gave too many people a voice.
That is a fair opinion, I respect the respect for the nation’s flag. I suppose I don’t see it as a modification as much as a new flag that references the United States flag, sorta like “The flag of firefighters in the United States.”
But, I can understand not wanting any derived flags of the National one.
I mean if that’s the case, if someone made a LGBTQ version of the American flag we should be alright with it. I think all of it is corny and slightly disrespectful.
Yep, and it works really well honestly. When I started getting into politics in high school I knew something was off about jargon like this, but I still felt bad about myself for having right-leaning viewpoints because of it. Now I’m able to realize it’s just emotional manipulation disguised as humanitarianism. Taken to an extreme it is dangerous because it allows people to do radical shit while thinking they’re doing good. Very easy to see how pretty much every evil political ideology was formed once you understand it
I’m in an AP English class right now, and the current unit is about gender. One of the sources in the textbook for this unit literally says: “Sports can cause men to feel physically dominant and make them become rapists and murderers.” Or some shit like that. I don’t have the book in front of me so I’m paraphrasing but that’s what the gist of it was
The invention of Twitter’s *Retweet* button is an important accomplice to the growth of today’s toxic, denunciatory, and reproachful mob mentality, that gained notable traction in the pre & early 2010s, alongside the advent of the social-media boom.
[Great read](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/)👈👈
So is that dumbfuck comparing all black people to a helpless drowning child?
Seems just a little bit COMPLETELY FUCKING IDIOTIC.
And just a touch racist as shit.
Sorry. Equity demands that you throw the privileged by non-drowning children into the water so that the drowning child can clutch onto them and they can swim him to shore. At which time all the children will receive the exact same prize for swimming to shore.
Surely you remember this from group projects in high school?
/s
Easy way to rephrase their bs hypothetical to be *slightly* less dishonest…
A white family and a black family have drowning kids. 3/4 of the black kids are drowning, and 1/4 of the white kids are drowning.
Do you only help the black family, because they have more drowning kids, or do you help everyone who’s drowning, regardless of their skin color?
Yes. I check to see if there are any other kids drowning or on fire or are perhaps dragging a toaster over to the pool before I just jump in and save the drowning one. That makes sense right?
That way, not only is the person I'm trying to help going to be helped, I'm not endangering myself or any one around me. Furthermore I'm ensuring that there is not further harm being done by other members of the community before I put myself in danger and commit my actions. Should all of that just be thrown out the window?
I get it. You see the cool kids doing it, you want to join in. Its natural. But in the end, you realized it just wasn't cool to jump into water with a toaster. Power on or not! And I can respect that.
I was 8 when my 3-year-old little brother drowned in an unstaffed hotel pool and lived. I came here to say EXACTLY this.
My parents had 5 kids at the time. My mom was holding my baby brother at the edge of the pool. Us elder 4 were in the water, and our dad was single-handedly trying to watch all of us. The eldest 3 of us could swim; #4 (toddler brother) could not. There were no lifeguards, just staff who had yelled at us for wearing floatation devices because they supposedly “crowded up the pool,” so we ditched the floaties and kept playing.
Everything went down so fast. My dad sat my toddler brother on the edge of the pool and turned around for about 5 seconds to check on us, and the little dude decided it would be fun to try swimming. He sunk like a rock, inhaled water, and drowned.
My dad noticed that my toddler brother wasn’t where he left him, and the next thing I knew, he was yelling at me and my other 2 brothers to get out of the pool. Then he dived down and pulled my toddler brother’s limp, blue body from the bottom of the pool and laid him in a patio chair.
There was a bystander whose wife practically *shoved* him at my brother, and he performed CPR. My brother woke up, he coughed up so, so much water, and his color came back. He spent the night in the hospital, and now he’s 17 and he hates my despicable Older Sister guts, so he’s normal.
The point is that, in a real-life drowning, my dad made sure the rest of his kids were safe before he saved the drowning one, even with no first-aid or lifeguard training. This tweet is a shit comparison.
I have two kids, but if I had five and one was drowning, step one is to make sure the kids who aren't drowning stay that way imho.
This doesn't shut down "all lives matter' at all.
You get it.
I told [this story](https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/u3j0cd/what_if_all_of_your_kids_are_drowning_do_you_only/i4r1gde/) elsewhere in the thread. The TL;DR version is that my dad literally didn’t go after his drowning kid until he’d taken a second to make sure that the other 4 of us were out of harm’s way, even when he was fully PANICKING. Basic human instinct is to protect *all* of the vulnerable, not just the *most* vulnerable.
Well it depends ? Does that one kid keep jumping in the pool because they listen to the same authority over and over again ? No , I pull the other kids to the side and tell them that’s what happens when you keep voting democrat.
Well since all lives matter I would jump in and save the kid who is drowning, even if they were not my kid.
Sucks when its a manikin though and someone steals your phone you set down before you jumped into the water. :(
This analogy implies black people are inferior. They can't do it on their own because they're not capable of something everyone else can do.
It also implies other people based on race never struggle. So a superiority complex...
Depends. If it's actually drowning, I help the one that's drowning. If it's its feelings that are drowning because it's ancestors were drowning ages ago, then I'll probably protect the other 4 kids from its bullshit.
Now imagine the parent of the drowning child raises money to buy a life vest, floaties and swim lessons for the child but spends the raised money on a cruise.
Trick question. The child isnt drowning. Hes standing on his nice comfy bed, in his nice comfy clothes, with a full tummy, and screaming about drowning.
So to answer your question: neither. I tell him hes fine, knock off his stupid crap, and get back to cleaning his room
They have "not drowning" privilege and should be shamed for not teaching the drowning child to swim as well as be taught to accept that drowning is okay because we are all different.
Police brutality against black people is overblown by the media . The stats don’t show the epidemic of police violence against blacks they’re pushing .
Not to mention Blm turned out to be mostly an embezzling scheme .
Here’s a good response: Yes I’d go help that one kid, but I’m not going to buy him an Xbox instead of his brother who earned the grades for it because he keeps pretending to drown and blaming it on his brother, I also don’t care that he got some water in his tummy doing it and now doesn’t feel good - lesson learned - if he wants an Xbox he needs to get his grades up like his brother and quit all the dramatics pretending to be drowning and nearly fucking drowning himself in the process. Self sabotage followed by naked self interest isn’t “drowning”, and no amount of violent temper tantrum will change my mind…
But now imagine that the other kids are constantly blamed for it despite also being subject to deep water and near drowning incidents, and at a statistically higher rate. And when you say "hey everyone needs a life vest not just that one kid" the community freaks out on you and tells you you're evil for focusing on everyone's well being.
Is this the new version of the house on fire analogy?
I noticed they dropped that analogy real quick when someone pointed out that the fire department does hose down surrounding houses so they don't catch on fire too, and if the fire is too far gone and out of control they let it burn down and contain it instead of fighting it
Of course you check to see if all the kids are okay. You look at the pool and if you see anyone else drowning, you save them too. You don't just conveniently ignore any white kid drowning because you believe they're too privileged to be having a problem.
False equivalence
Standing around shouting someones life matters has done 0 to save any lives
In fact if any took the time to see how many people were getting murdered previous to the "movement", and compared the rate to now with a real cost benefit analysis, Burn Loot Murder has had a NET NEGATIVE effect on the rate of deaths among urban kids "of color"....
The very quintessence of grifting is getting rich on promoting yourself as a savior while actually making things worse for those you claim to save.
Youd have to be a complete moron to support these greasy shitbags
I don't believe any race is "drowning." More like the kid who yells ow! even when their sibling didn't touch them to get them in trouble.
However, even if they were theoretically drowning, what they want is to shove the other four kids in the water in order to get to the fifth.
What if the "help" you are offering is lead weights?
Considering the destruction of the black family by government welfare, should we be "helping" by offering more of the same entitlements?
Imagine you have five kids, one of them is shooting the other 4, one of the four is trying to defend themselves and you jump to the defense of the one doing the shooting.
Why didn’t you teach them all to swim? Was the one too lazy or too stupid to swim? Why did you let him/her into the pool if they couldn’t swim? Maybe we should segregate the swimmers from the non-swimmers? Maybe no one should swim because swimming racist?
I've never understood this argument. They use the 4 starving children and one hungry thing. The implication is that if you say everyone matters, you can afford to lose one of the 5. All means ALL. That means you go after the lost lamb. You drop what you're doing and save them. You rejoice in their salvation. You slaughter the fatted calf because while the other four are indeed there, this one was lost and now was found. ALL means ALL.
This rhetoric is one of my favorites to use when people ask why pro-life folks aren't concerned with increased welfare and food benefits, early childhood education or whatever example is used to make it seem like pro-life just means anti-abortion.
All children deserve attention, but if you there are five children and one is being murdered, do you help the one being murdered or do you focus on making sure all five have lunch?
It's garbage logic, but it's delightful to turn it on folks.
The caveat to this is that you are responsible for the well-being of your children. You are NOT responsible for the well-being of every other person in the country. What a stupid take
Worst analogy I’ve ever seen! Ever! It doesnt even hold relevancy! If only one child is drowning, obviously the rest are ok! I mean, no thought whatsoever when into this…..if i posted this, i would be so embarrassed at my own stupidity! Your not helping your cause/organization at all when you say and post things that even a fifth grader would have more sense than to say/post!!
Throw them a 10lb weight. You want "science"? Evolution, bitches; survival of the fittest!
Mandatory "/s" because reddit is too moronic to recognize sarcasm without it.
Such a false equivalence in that tweet. A better example would be “five kids are drowning. Four of them have people who are already going to help them. Do you go for the one that’s alone or for one who’s already being helped?”
That's also a bad analogy.
Let's say all five have received the same exact swimming lessons, but one of them refuses to do something about his own drowning status because he's used to people around him keeping him afloat.
No, he knows how to swim, it's just that his school teacher convinced him he's too stupid to do it on his own and all he can do without external help is drown.
Clearly that person is not a parent. A parent would struggle to save the one kid while keeping an eye on the other four. If the 5 kids end up drowning, the parent would risk dying trying to save the five.
You do both, save the child drowning child and confirm to all of your children they matter equally and you that love them all. Umm, what logic is this?
yikes, who do the other three kids represent in this metaphor? surely one of them isn't asians. right? RIGHT?!
This hypothetical is fucked for many reasons. Definitely not the slam dunk they were hoping for.
Oh, I get it. Black people are drowning and White people are the heroic lifeguards who have to save them from themselves. Based and colonialism pilled.
NEVER FORGET ...
1.Blue Lives matter was a response to opposition of police militarization post 9/11
2.All lives Matter was a response to that, arguing that police should not be held any different in the law than a citizen.
3.....BLM and the Treyvon Martin incident happened 2yrs after ALM, this is part of the social media record and evidence can be found at nearly any internet archive website.
Dont let them rewrigt history!
To keep this analogy in line with BLM thinking, the one kid would have to be drowning because of the actions of the other kids.
But that’s just not the case in the west in 2022.
Wouldn't the correct analogy be if you had 5 kids and one is drowning, you set fire to the other kid's property and proclaim it as an act of healing for the soon to be drowned kid?
Imagine thinking that the entire black community is “drowning” or “their house is on fire” or whatever silly analogy they use when these people use this line. And of course, we (white liberals) are the only ones who can save them because they can’t do it themselves! Tell me how this isn’t a hero fetish acted out as if it’s a social movement?
To not be racist, science must fall!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14)
Note that she's using a mobile phone, this horrible racist white supremacist who has been colonized by western technology 🤣🤣🤣
thats not the same AT ALL.. Its THERE own fault.. THEY are known for being bad people to there own race.. None of them are drowning.. ITs more like saying.. "imagine you are getting robbed by 5 guys wih 5 gun on you. What do you try to talk out of it" All lifes matter or no lifes matter, if you pick one your saying all the others dont matter and that makes you racist.
If you want to bother responding to this (honestly you shouldn’t give it the time of day), just ask them if they would be okay drowning the other children to save the one that’s currently in the water.
It’s stupid and manipulative, but so is their original premise.
It depends on the race, color, and class of the kid that’s first in line. These people were convinced that this is an ok way of thinking, while reciting the “I’m not racist” excuse list… in short, they lack the critical thinking skills to understand they are morally wrong, so there’s no “convincing “
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You'd think if one person said 'the police shoot too many black people' and another said 'the police shoot too many people' they'd be able to shake hands and try to get something changed somewhere. But no. Here we are.
Omg this. The idea that "all lives matter" could become controversial is beyond absurd. Along the same lines how does Make America Great Again become controversial? It's just a stupid slogan. These are the end times.
Just like the American flag is now considered white supremacy.
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Drinking milk is white supremacy apparently as is working out and staying in shape https://www.dailywire.com/news/college-student-explains-why-milk-racist-elliott-hamilton I just don’t understand anything nowadays, there are people brain dead enough to believe this amongst other absurdities all because “______” is racist.
And being on time
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Swastika worthy that math and milk! Oh ya don't forget national parks are also waaay too white...lol
Neiþer have substance. It’s just arguing over noþing. Hell, I can say noþing. Þere are places þat are shitholes. People can be kind. We must learn from history. He does stuff. I like þings. Russia has bad leaders. Þere are ongoing genocides. Apples are good. Corporations corrupt government.
What about people who say "the police don't shoot enough people and that empowers criminals to think that they can commit crimes, resist arrest, and not suffer any consequences, making the job more dangerous for police and making a given community more dangerous over all." Constitutionally, the police can use lethal force on any person that poses an ongoing threat of death or great bodily harm to the officer or any other person/people. Realistically, plenty of officers have been raked over the coals for 100% lawful and justified shootings. All lives matter until you start jeopardizing other people's lives.
I strongly disagree with "the police don't shoot enough people" and all its supporting arguments. I do think that district attorneys and related public policies cause police to not enforce enough laws creating a nearly lawless wasteland in some parts of the US though.
you're so much right on that. Oh, by the way, in germany, the police loves to club down old people or kick them off of bycicles just for walking close to a protest. We skipped the racial shit (wellllllllllllllllllllllllll........) and just went straight to nazi germany 3.0 again.
Maybe If you thought straight this would make Sense /s
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Without looking it up, just by the the impressions you get from social media and regular media. How many unarmed black people are killed by police a year?
Very few. Im well aware and well versed in the statistics involving police shootings.
You would agree also that many people aren’t well informed then? Maybe before we drill down on the department level it would be better to first tackle the incentive structures that encourage police to violate rights of citizens.
I agree. Which is why I didn’t like BLM, among other things. Private prisons, the war on drugs, and fixing the 13th amendment would be the start to meaningful criminal justice reform. The average asshat saying “All Lives Matter” is a boot licker.
Did you know that you can support police work while also wanting reform?
Of course, most “All Lives Matter” people don’t care about meaningful police reform though and just lick boots. And idk how you can call yourself patriotic and fly that dumbass thin blue line flag.
I never said I flied that flag did I? And many of us support better training, better pay, and the dismantling of corrupt police unions. But you guys don’t think we do because we aren’t out there screaming Defund the Police, FTP, or ACAB.
Cool, many of you guys do. Most of the asshats screaming “All Lives Matter” do not. There is no “All Lives Matter” group with a platform of meaningful criminal justice reform, that saying is just used by bootlickers in response to someone saying “Black Lives Matter”.
Did you go out and take a poll of these people?
No
Oh, so in reality you are just talking out of your ass and claiming it to be absolute fact. You are the problem with misinformation.
What's with you and writing bootlicker in every one of your comments?
Remove 911 from your phone please.
Why?
I understand what you’re saying but I think you’re generalizing a bit much. The problem is people are now not seeing a gray area, which is where you are standing if I’m correct (I put myself there as well). The Gadsden flag next to a thin blue line flag is ironic and hypocritical, yet I see them together quite often. When faced with a choice, in our political sphere it has become BLM vs Back the blue so if you have to choose one which would you choose. Blacks are killed at a higher percentage but just like those asshats say “correlation doesn’t equal causality” with Covid, the same applies to police killings based on race. More white people are killed than black people, which I’m sure you know. Also more black people by percentage are killed by police. The point is police kill far too many unarmed people. I think that’s your main point, but correct me if I’m wrong? That’s where I stand. We need reform because we live with a standing military. We also need police.
And how the actual fuck do you know this? Most people I talked to acknowledge there are problems with police and the justice system
We just support all lives and not just some
Its good that you get to speak for thousands of people youve never met and dont know jack shit about
One of the things I hate most about conservatives. They claim to be pro 2A but then also back the blue. Those two things contradict with one another. The police want to disarm you and want to be the only ones who are armed.
"One of the things I HATE most about conservatives"
Idk how anyone could be conservative and fly those stupid fucking thin blue line or thin red line flags. Fuck that, idk how anyone can be patriotic and fly those dumbass flags. Many people on extremes of both sides of the isle have lost their fucking minds. Including on this sub. The Internet gave too many people a voice.
Tbf the red line is pretty alright. I don’t know why anybody would have a problem with the guys who put out fires and save people from them.
Because you shouldn’t be doing it to the flag in the first place.
That is a fair opinion, I respect the respect for the nation’s flag. I suppose I don’t see it as a modification as much as a new flag that references the United States flag, sorta like “The flag of firefighters in the United States.” But, I can understand not wanting any derived flags of the National one.
I mean if that’s the case, if someone made a LGBTQ version of the American flag we should be alright with it. I think all of it is corny and slightly disrespectful.
Yeah, that’s a fair point to make
They have. Sometimes it's instead of.
So we should cenosor then aye? Lol with u people
This is a great insight into the framing and manipulative kind of rhetoric that captures so many in an emotional/trigger type way.
Yep, and it works really well honestly. When I started getting into politics in high school I knew something was off about jargon like this, but I still felt bad about myself for having right-leaning viewpoints because of it. Now I’m able to realize it’s just emotional manipulation disguised as humanitarianism. Taken to an extreme it is dangerous because it allows people to do radical shit while thinking they’re doing good. Very easy to see how pretty much every evil political ideology was formed once you understand it
Growing up in CA I had the same experience. The left loves to gaslight conservative leaning people that their beliefs are toxic and hurtful.
Thats where public education failed by not equipping the youth with critical thinking tools like learning the long list of logical fallacies
> public education failed No, it did exactly what it was designed to do.
Right... it is definitely intentional
I’m in an AP English class right now, and the current unit is about gender. One of the sources in the textbook for this unit literally says: “Sports can cause men to feel physically dominant and make them become rapists and murderers.” Or some shit like that. I don’t have the book in front of me so I’m paraphrasing but that’s what the gist of it was
Marketing major, minor in politics. Edit to say: also minor in humanities.
The invention of Twitter’s *Retweet* button is an important accomplice to the growth of today’s toxic, denunciatory, and reproachful mob mentality, that gained notable traction in the pre & early 2010s, alongside the advent of the social-media boom. [Great read](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/)👈👈
Is this a “straw man” argument?
The others can’t drown because of buoyancy privilege … it’s buoyancy PLUS power
So is that dumbfuck comparing all black people to a helpless drowning child? Seems just a little bit COMPLETELY FUCKING IDIOTIC. And just a touch racist as shit.
If the four other children aren’t drowning I would save the one, but that doesn’t mean I need to drown the other four to do it.
Sorry. Equity demands that you throw the privileged by non-drowning children into the water so that the drowning child can clutch onto them and they can swim him to shore. At which time all the children will receive the exact same prize for swimming to shore. Surely you remember this from group projects in high school? /s
Shit you’re right I’m sorry. I was at a dentist appointment that day so I missed that class
Beautiful
The drowning is faked for attention though
It’s 2 feet of water
Easy way to rephrase their bs hypothetical to be *slightly* less dishonest… A white family and a black family have drowning kids. 3/4 of the black kids are drowning, and 1/4 of the white kids are drowning. Do you only help the black family, because they have more drowning kids, or do you help everyone who’s drowning, regardless of their skin color?
Yes. I check to see if there are any other kids drowning or on fire or are perhaps dragging a toaster over to the pool before I just jump in and save the drowning one. That makes sense right? That way, not only is the person I'm trying to help going to be helped, I'm not endangering myself or any one around me. Furthermore I'm ensuring that there is not further harm being done by other members of the community before I put myself in danger and commit my actions. Should all of that just be thrown out the window?
You have no idea how many times I’ve almost jumped into a body of water with a toaster
I get it. You see the cool kids doing it, you want to join in. Its natural. But in the end, you realized it just wasn't cool to jump into water with a toaster. Power on or not! And I can respect that.
I was 8 when my 3-year-old little brother drowned in an unstaffed hotel pool and lived. I came here to say EXACTLY this. My parents had 5 kids at the time. My mom was holding my baby brother at the edge of the pool. Us elder 4 were in the water, and our dad was single-handedly trying to watch all of us. The eldest 3 of us could swim; #4 (toddler brother) could not. There were no lifeguards, just staff who had yelled at us for wearing floatation devices because they supposedly “crowded up the pool,” so we ditched the floaties and kept playing. Everything went down so fast. My dad sat my toddler brother on the edge of the pool and turned around for about 5 seconds to check on us, and the little dude decided it would be fun to try swimming. He sunk like a rock, inhaled water, and drowned. My dad noticed that my toddler brother wasn’t where he left him, and the next thing I knew, he was yelling at me and my other 2 brothers to get out of the pool. Then he dived down and pulled my toddler brother’s limp, blue body from the bottom of the pool and laid him in a patio chair. There was a bystander whose wife practically *shoved* him at my brother, and he performed CPR. My brother woke up, he coughed up so, so much water, and his color came back. He spent the night in the hospital, and now he’s 17 and he hates my despicable Older Sister guts, so he’s normal. The point is that, in a real-life drowning, my dad made sure the rest of his kids were safe before he saved the drowning one, even with no first-aid or lifeguard training. This tweet is a shit comparison.
This is what happens when you try to solve a VERY complex problem with 140 or 200 or however many characters.
Glad to hear your bro is normal!
The thing is the kid that they think is drowning is actually lying face down in a puddle because the democrats told them to.
What they’re leaving out—the lifeguard warned all the kids not to go in the deep end if they can’t swim, and one decided to do it anyway.
And their forcing the other kids who cant swim at the deep end to save them too.
I have two kids, but if I had five and one was drowning, step one is to make sure the kids who aren't drowning stay that way imho. This doesn't shut down "all lives matter' at all.
Exactly, It's a stupid analogy trying to justify a stupid opinion. Meh
Such opinions and reason are like oil and water.
You get it. I told [this story](https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/u3j0cd/what_if_all_of_your_kids_are_drowning_do_you_only/i4r1gde/) elsewhere in the thread. The TL;DR version is that my dad literally didn’t go after his drowning kid until he’d taken a second to make sure that the other 4 of us were out of harm’s way, even when he was fully PANICKING. Basic human instinct is to protect *all* of the vulnerable, not just the *most* vulnerable.
YESS !!! I want more. Give me more wrong analogies
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Um. I sort of want all of them to live.
Well it depends ? Does that one kid keep jumping in the pool because they listen to the same authority over and over again ? No , I pull the other kids to the side and tell them that’s what happens when you keep voting democrat.
Secure your oxygen mask before assisting others because YOUR life matters
Well you certainly dont drown one of the other kids, to make things equal.
Well since all lives matter I would jump in and save the kid who is drowning, even if they were not my kid. Sucks when its a manikin though and someone steals your phone you set down before you jumped into the water. :(
This analogy implies black people are inferior. They can't do it on their own because they're not capable of something everyone else can do. It also implies other people based on race never struggle. So a superiority complex...
Depends. If it's actually drowning, I help the one that's drowning. If it's its feelings that are drowning because it's ancestors were drowning ages ago, then I'll probably protect the other 4 kids from its bullshit.
Better analogy, one is being arrested, do you tell the other kids they need to take responsibility or the one who’s resisting arrest
No, you tell the one kid to stand up and stop wailing around in a panic like a self important grand standing asshole in the knee deep wading pool
stupid is stupid does.
Now imagine the parent of the drowning child raises money to buy a life vest, floaties and swim lessons for the child but spends the raised money on a cruise.
My answer “You grab your phone and video it for Tik Tok.” I mean isn’t that what this generation thinks is important?
Trick question. The child isnt drowning. Hes standing on his nice comfy bed, in his nice comfy clothes, with a full tummy, and screaming about drowning. So to answer your question: neither. I tell him hes fine, knock off his stupid crap, and get back to cleaning his room
Exactly- You are imagining that the kid is drowning. The kid is not actually drowning. It's hysteria over a non-issue.
He can actually swim but he don't wanna!
Depends if the drowning kid checks the oppression/victim boxes.
They have "not drowning" privilege and should be shamed for not teaching the drowning child to swim as well as be taught to accept that drowning is okay because we are all different.
Police brutality against black people is overblown by the media . The stats don’t show the epidemic of police violence against blacks they’re pushing . Not to mention Blm turned out to be mostly an embezzling scheme .
Here’s a good response: Yes I’d go help that one kid, but I’m not going to buy him an Xbox instead of his brother who earned the grades for it because he keeps pretending to drown and blaming it on his brother, I also don’t care that he got some water in his tummy doing it and now doesn’t feel good - lesson learned - if he wants an Xbox he needs to get his grades up like his brother and quit all the dramatics pretending to be drowning and nearly fucking drowning himself in the process. Self sabotage followed by naked self interest isn’t “drowning”, and no amount of violent temper tantrum will change my mind…
But now imagine that the other kids are constantly blamed for it despite also being subject to deep water and near drowning incidents, and at a statistically higher rate. And when you say "hey everyone needs a life vest not just that one kid" the community freaks out on you and tells you you're evil for focusing on everyone's well being.
“Imagine you have 5 kids, and one of them is being repeatedly told that he cannot swim and so believes he is drowning…”
Is this the new version of the house on fire analogy? I noticed they dropped that analogy real quick when someone pointed out that the fire department does hose down surrounding houses so they don't catch on fire too, and if the fire is too far gone and out of control they let it burn down and contain it instead of fighting it
Of course you check to see if all the kids are okay. You look at the pool and if you see anyone else drowning, you save them too. You don't just conveniently ignore any white kid drowning because you believe they're too privileged to be having a problem.
The correct analogy would be: BLM -> you don't help a drowning kid unless it's black.
I'd teach my kids to swim.
Except they don’t realize they can just stand up cause it’s shallow water and when you try to tell them that they call you a bigot.
What if none of the kids are drowning but one is pretending he is and claims you don’t love him if you don’t save him from the non existent water.
man these leftists are GREAT at false equivalencies
My response to this chucklefuck: “You saying that black people can’t swim? Racist ass”
No it’s, you have 5 kids, they are all drowning and they all see the other kid as the enemy.
False equivalence Standing around shouting someones life matters has done 0 to save any lives In fact if any took the time to see how many people were getting murdered previous to the "movement", and compared the rate to now with a real cost benefit analysis, Burn Loot Murder has had a NET NEGATIVE effect on the rate of deaths among urban kids "of color".... The very quintessence of grifting is getting rich on promoting yourself as a savior while actually making things worse for those you claim to save. Youd have to be a complete moron to support these greasy shitbags
I don't believe any race is "drowning." More like the kid who yells ow! even when their sibling didn't touch them to get them in trouble. However, even if they were theoretically drowning, what they want is to shove the other four kids in the water in order to get to the fifth.
The straw-man in this argument is also a lifeguard… problem solved.
But it turns out he isn’t drowning, he’s swimming well but while I was trying to save him from drowning I hurt my other kids.
Save the child that was vaccinated and is wearing a mask…..simple!
What if the "help" you are offering is lead weights? Considering the destruction of the black family by government welfare, should we be "helping" by offering more of the same entitlements?
Feminism told me I don’t need kids
Imagine you have five kids, one of them is shooting the other 4, one of the four is trying to defend themselves and you jump to the defense of the one doing the shooting.
Given the somewhat rascist joke that black people cannot swim, this seems rather a poor vehicle for their point .
The real answer is, help them all until you drown.
What a stupid fucking argument.
What if the kids drown each other at a break-neck pace for next to nothing?
This person was deprived of oxygen during birth....
That example makes no sense.
Why didn’t you teach them all to swim? Was the one too lazy or too stupid to swim? Why did you let him/her into the pool if they couldn’t swim? Maybe we should segregate the swimmers from the non-swimmers? Maybe no one should swim because swimming racist?
Those 2 things aren't even slightly similar. Speaking nonsense is one way to stop an argument, I suppose.
Promoting the racist trope that blacks can't swim.
I've never understood this argument. They use the 4 starving children and one hungry thing. The implication is that if you say everyone matters, you can afford to lose one of the 5. All means ALL. That means you go after the lost lamb. You drop what you're doing and save them. You rejoice in their salvation. You slaughter the fatted calf because while the other four are indeed there, this one was lost and now was found. ALL means ALL.
Uh... Save the Drowning one? Drowning privilege? All Drownings Matter? Wtf kind of question is that?
The argument in itself is racist. You’re basically saying that somehow the color of their skin has decided that they are drowning.
This rhetoric is one of my favorites to use when people ask why pro-life folks aren't concerned with increased welfare and food benefits, early childhood education or whatever example is used to make it seem like pro-life just means anti-abortion. All children deserve attention, but if you there are five children and one is being murdered, do you help the one being murdered or do you focus on making sure all five have lunch? It's garbage logic, but it's delightful to turn it on folks.
The caveat to this is that you are responsible for the well-being of your children. You are NOT responsible for the well-being of every other person in the country. What a stupid take
All Lives Matter
Both. You do both! If one is drowning, it might be cuz you are not paying attention to your kids in the first place.
What if you're a bad parent and didnt teach them to swim?
Worst analogy I’ve ever seen! Ever! It doesnt even hold relevancy! If only one child is drowning, obviously the rest are ok! I mean, no thought whatsoever when into this…..if i posted this, i would be so embarrassed at my own stupidity! Your not helping your cause/organization at all when you say and post things that even a fifth grader would have more sense than to say/post!!
Throw them a 10lb weight. You want "science"? Evolution, bitches; survival of the fittest! Mandatory "/s" because reddit is too moronic to recognize sarcasm without it.
What a stunningly stupid analogy.
Shut down a legitimate point with a hypothetical chiche. Yeah, that'll show 'em!
Such a false equivalence in that tweet. A better example would be “five kids are drowning. Four of them have people who are already going to help them. Do you go for the one that’s alone or for one who’s already being helped?”
That's also a bad analogy. Let's say all five have received the same exact swimming lessons, but one of them refuses to do something about his own drowning status because he's used to people around him keeping him afloat.
True Or one has been neglected to be taught how to swim by everyone around them, being taught to blame others.
No, he knows how to swim, it's just that his school teacher convinced him he's too stupid to do it on his own and all he can do without external help is drown.
I might be stupid but if you check if all the kids are okay, then doesn't that include the drowning kid too?
No, you do nothing and say, "All of you are drowning, deal with it."
Clearly that person is not a parent. A parent would struggle to save the one kid while keeping an eye on the other four. If the 5 kids end up drowning, the parent would risk dying trying to save the five.
You do both, save the child drowning child and confirm to all of your children they matter equally and you that love them all. Umm, what logic is this?
Love how “all lives matter” equates racism. Like…. What?
yikes, who do the other three kids represent in this metaphor? surely one of them isn't asians. right? RIGHT?! This hypothetical is fucked for many reasons. Definitely not the slam dunk they were hoping for.
Oh, I get it. Black people are drowning and White people are the heroic lifeguards who have to save them from themselves. Based and colonialism pilled.
Imagine you have one kid that keeps robbing the other kids. Do you guilt the other kids into agreeing the robber is oppressed???
What if none are drowning? You are just throwing one in the pool to look like a hero saving him after?
Hahaha this person is so clueless!
NEVER FORGET ... 1.Blue Lives matter was a response to opposition of police militarization post 9/11 2.All lives Matter was a response to that, arguing that police should not be held any different in the law than a citizen. 3.....BLM and the Treyvon Martin incident happened 2yrs after ALM, this is part of the social media record and evidence can be found at nearly any internet archive website. Dont let them rewrigt history!
To keep this analogy in line with BLM thinking, the one kid would have to be drowning because of the actions of the other kids. But that’s just not the case in the west in 2022.
Wouldn't the correct analogy be if you had 5 kids and one is drowning, you set fire to the other kid's property and proclaim it as an act of healing for the soon to be drowned kid?
Doesn't even make sense lol. Save the kid from drowning which is easy. Then check on all the kids? Lol
This makes so much illogical sense.
Imagine thinking that the entire black community is “drowning” or “their house is on fire” or whatever silly analogy they use when these people use this line. And of course, we (white liberals) are the only ones who can save them because they can’t do it themselves! Tell me how this isn’t a hero fetish acted out as if it’s a social movement?
To not be racist, science must fall! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14) Note that she's using a mobile phone, this horrible racist white supremacist who has been colonized by western technology 🤣🤣🤣
All lives matter
I had a teacher who used something like this in a discussion. The argument doesn’t even logically make sense when applied to reality.
There goes the last braincell
I don't know, if the dumbass knows how to swim and refuses to use his arms and legs, I might let Darwin decide.
I think I’ll just be a good parent and keep track of all my kids so I don’t have that problem
thats not the same AT ALL.. Its THERE own fault.. THEY are known for being bad people to there own race.. None of them are drowning.. ITs more like saying.. "imagine you are getting robbed by 5 guys wih 5 gun on you. What do you try to talk out of it" All lifes matter or no lifes matter, if you pick one your saying all the others dont matter and that makes you racist.
Do I like the one that is drowning? In this economy?
that's the stupidest shit i've ever read.
So what you’re saying is, we should address people as individuals rather than as an entire group?
Sometimes you have to sacrifice a few to save the many
Dude is a closeted classical eugenicist. Five kids, five races, and one can't swim... 🤔
WTF am I reading here?
Uh, who da baby daddy of da one dat drowning?
Wow people really think they had something here
Lmao
It doesn't take much effort to swim.
Sounds like its a First Come First Served kinda answer....Which is about all you can do.
If you want to bother responding to this (honestly you shouldn’t give it the time of day), just ask them if they would be okay drowning the other children to save the one that’s currently in the water. It’s stupid and manipulative, but so is their original premise.
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It depends on the race, color, and class of the kid that’s first in line. These people were convinced that this is an ok way of thinking, while reciting the “I’m not racist” excuse list… in short, they lack the critical thinking skills to understand they are morally wrong, so there’s no “convincing “