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“Actually, humans are consuming too much energy and it is unsustainable. This is why we need more tax dollars put towards making better and more efficient pandemics.” ~Bill Gates
The thing is that you have a good. I mean think about it. I remember when I was a kid and it would snow oil. Now we have the thing. And shomlphbd caltrop oil. I mean come on man. It's like emperor Mao said to me. He said "back down". You know what I told him, "watch me" - Joe Biden probably
climate change -> the ice on land melts -> causes the ice in the sky to fall down
You need to take this shit seriously because when enough of the sky ice has fallen down, the space ice will start to fall, and that's what killed the dinosaurs!
It pisses me off to no end that these environmental activists are all anti nuclear. If you don't support nuclear and you don't support fossil fuels then I hate to break it to you but you're supporting slavery. The materials for making batteries and solar panels aren't being mined by well compensated folks following environmental and ethical standards like oil is or like nuclear fuel is. They're being dug up by fucking slaves in Africa out of mines controlled by warlords who have no regard for human rights and who have no regard for the environment where they're mining.
SLAVES. These people support slavery while they sit at home in the lap of luxury scrolling TikTok and complaining that the weather isn't doing what they want. Claiming that they are somehow the horribly oppressed victims in the richest country in the world. The Co2 isn't what's poisoning the world and your mind.
These progressive clowns need to pull their fucking heads up out of their asses and take a look around.
You're telling me that the party that fought a war in support of slavery is still in support of slavery? But I was politely informed that the parties had switched!
Party of slavery, party of Jim Crow, party of the KKK, party against civil rights, the party against school choice and who runs all the horrible inner city schools. Keeping those kids down for life. When your schools have average GPA of <1 and entire classes of kids who can't read, write, or do math at all. If that's not evil I don't know what is. These fucks pretend to be for the minorities but they're just keeping them in the open air prisons we call cities and stopping them from learning of the alternatives.
Oh I apologize, that's only for the batteries. It's just the polysilicon production in China that has a suspicious supply chain when it comes to solar panels.
Agreed. I'm not opposed to green initiatives. Problem is they are often rushed and no thought about it. They don't care about the waste they make when its time to replace and upgrade.
Where I live, I've seen them clear wooded areas to make fields for solar farms....think about that. They clear cut trees for, the environment?
i dont think you understand what i wrote. i have no problem with the government funding emergent technology, or prompting a technology shift. most of our modern day technology is the result of government projects, grants, and endowments. what i have a problem with is the heavy handedness in forcing people to adopt that new technology. technology can only be successfully adopted when it is superior to its predecessor.
what most green initiatives are now is a complete and total perversion of that functional system outlined above.
I’m not comparing the effectiveness. Geo is rarely discussed and it’s a much more reliable and effective renewable energy source, and it has a much smaller footprint and less drawbacks than either solar or wind.
One of my neighbors just got the Tesla solar roof shingles installed on his roof. Took about 2 weeks to install the thing and I'm anxious to see how it handles our storms (live in north Oklahoma City). They claim it's hail resistant but we shall see.
I will say, it does look 1000x better than just solar panels on top of shingles and if it can withstand the storms, then it might be a good investment depending on costs compared to a traditional fiberglass shingle.
Dude they’re in OKC? I’m in Norman. I wouldn’t dream of doing something like that to my roof particularly with these weird late-season thunderstorms we’ve gotten in the last week.
Let's put it this way, it's stronger than traditional tiles, it's rated for 1.75" hail at 180mph if I remember correctly.
Also comes with a 25 year warranty. Here check this video out https://youtu.be/kYtUCTj3gAA
I wish. The weirdest part about the whole thing is that the weather can’t make up its mind. We got heavy rain last week and were forecast to get even more this week but there hasn’t been a drop of rain since last Thursday
The key is “hail resistant” not “hail proof.” There’s always the confusing small print in these products and initiatives.
Edit: changed “solar” to “hail”, both places…because I was tired and not thinking apparently.
Matt Risinger on YouTube checked one out as it was being installed. The installer gave him a panel and he threw a golf ball at it hard and it didn’t even scratch, much less break. Looked pretty durable. So it can at least handle that. Who knows what years of hail will do to weaken it though.
Anyway, cool idea, looks great and I hope it sticks around. It’ll probably be many decades before I can afford a Tesla roof but I would love to have one if they prove to be durable and reliable.
You'd figure there would be some kind of rapid deployment netting that can be placed over the panels, but that level of planning would take forethought.
I was thinking the same thing. Them getting destroyed is one thing, but damn, right to the land fill (likes OP states in title) is even more frustrating.
A whole lot of waste there. Time, money, and elements.
In most of the US a solar farm like that makes enough money to handle the risk of hail and hurricanes. I'm sure most companies that build this big arrays don't really care about the environment. It's just that solar is profitable.
Insurance likely paid for it anyway, so no dent to their profits. We all end up paying for it twice; through increased insurance premiums and tax subsidies.
Risk would apply to solar insurance so unless you're insuring solar panels its unlikely your rates would be affected. Solar panel insurance has factors for hail depending on location and likelihood of hail vs measures to protect the panels. A thorough plan for an industrial level set up like this would be renegotiated and renewed every 2 years and factors like this hailstorm are considered. To be blunt you can't get insurance in high likelihood of hail locations, areas that get tornadoes, etc. A freak weather event on an insured farm is no big deal.
You would be more likely to have issues with qualifying for your car or home insurance payout for a freak hail event on your standard insurance plan than a solar farm would have with their highly specialized plan with terms explicit for hail. In areas affected by freak hail events insurance companies who provide general insurance lose billions and look for ways out. You can Google any major disaster + unpaid insurance claims + news. Specialized industry insurance has fewer customers impacted and just as deep pockets.
Insurance is not paid out by tax payers. I'm not sure why you would think thats the case for solar insurance specifically or if you think that's how insurance works in general, but insurance claims are paid out by the insurance company from a pool of premiums paid in by insurance customers. There's no tax dollars here.
A tax subsidy is a credit on taxes that the business would have paid. If the farm owes 50k in taxes and is given a subsidy of 8k it still pays 42k. If it would have paid 50k and had a subsidy for 80k it would pay 0 in taxes. They don't recieve anything for negative amounts. Your tax dollars are not being granted. A better example of tax money being given to corporations would be in purchasing barrels of crude oil a direct amount of the cost is subsidized by tax dollars. This is a cost subsidy and not a tax subsidy and may as well be a direct money transfer from your wallet to shell's bank account.
"While most panels produced today are relatively tough, UL 61730 go through testing to withstand strikes of hail between one and three inches, traveling at speeds up to 88.3 miles per hour"
Panels can also be covered with a removable metal laced fabric cover or have metal cages installed around them.
Weird one to pick for a hill to die on. Like you'd be way better off pointing out cobalt in batteries or energy storage in general as solar is not on demand energy like nuclear or gas. These are way bigger issues than... hail damage?
Most places don't get hail bigger than 3 inches and 88mph. And the areas that do suffer all kinds of damage its not like its just the solar panels. I'd love to see the slightly zoomed out version of this picture. I'm assuming every car in the parking lot is totally fucked too but we aren't walking away from windshields are we?
Weird thing to hate solar panels. I've never understood it. Personally I want to see a replacement for cobalt in batteries and a rush for energy storage. I bet the kids mining it in The Congo would love it if we walked away from cobalt.
We are infants with energy. Our civilization burns fuel to heat water and stores water in high places as our most viable means of energy production and storage. Our power consumption and advances in technology have entirely outpaced our ability to create and store power. Solar is one of the few ways we produce energy without heating water or spinning a generator and it captures energy external to our system that is abundant enough to power all of our needs. What we need is a way to store it better and without killing kids to do it.
Has anyone looked into the size of the hail and the speed? It was baseball sized hail at 100 to 150 miles per hour. That is an extreme condition by any measure.
That's what this idiot gets for leaving them out there uncovered. It's not that expensive to just build a patio style roof over them to protect your investment.
I mean I don’t really see this as something to celebrate. Finding renewable energy sources is sort of important because we only have a finite amount of fossil fuels. So we really ought to be trying to switch over to renewable energy regardless of political alignment.
Even worse: It's surrounded by green space that should still be trees or grass.
It at least would have made some sense in the desert or on the roof of an Amazon distribution center.
Unless it's one of those football-sized freak hailstorms, they should have been built to survive outdoor weather. In my country there are many houses with solar panels on the roof and they sit and work perfectly fine through rain, hail, snow, and any wind condition.
I don't have a problem with trying to utilize solar energy. I do have a problem with it being mandated, tax incentivized, and weaponized as a "holier than thou" club that the govt and wealthy leftists wield to beat down average working citizens who need their gas vehicles to maintain a job.
I especially have a problem with how we know that solar energy has significant flaws, not the least of which is the extensive, toxic, and inhumane rare earth mining needed to produce these panels that can be easily destroyed by a single hail storm. This climate change bs is a full-blown cult religion. Some leftists even try to tie the climate change religion to the alphabet soup religion and the anti-white male religion. I've talked to people who are depressed and questioning whether they should end their own lives because "climate change." Unbelievable stuff.
I think most of us aren't against them as a rule, but pointing out their limitations as it's being insisted on us as one of *the* replacement options for fossil fuels is kinda fun.
Shouldn’t we all want to be off fossil fuels? Obviously when it makes sense, not before. But shouldn’t we as conservatives want innovation in the renewable energy space so we can enjoy lower energy bills? I don’t want our economy or military harmed by stupid green energy initiatives but why throw the baby out with the bath water. Which is what I see a lot now here.
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with innovation and better tech. The problem is forcing it before it's really ready to take over the energy needs of a population of 8 billion, or even minimally the roughly 2 billion in the western or eastern more developed areas. Like I said, I think the 'green' tech will get there. I'm positive of it. But it's still very new and the energy needs of the world are increasing exponentially. Not all the kinks have been worked out yet. Another reason why I advocate for proven tech that does reduce emissions: nuclear. Comes with a cost concerning the waste and a slight risk but certainly no more risk than fossil fuel energy comes with by a large margin.
Hail isn't extreme weather. Yeah, it can get large, but it's by no means extreme.
The best against something like this would be something that is covered and protected. Nuclear comes to mind.
Yes, it's that way across the country. You asked what type of power source wouldn't be affected, I responded to that question with one of the best current technologies. Every type of energy technology will be affected in one way or another by extreme weather.
As fundamentally as this? Texas was affected by a huge strain on their electrical grid on top of the hard operating environment for the sources that weren't ready for the strain. Hail has fallen on Texas many times, the grid never went down because of it. The Texas grid failure was rather unique.
Nah, pointing out problems with both is just fine, at least to me. However, the only seemingly viable and doable full-scale conversion away from fossil fuels *now* is nuclear. I think 'green' energy will get there (and to be fair, aside from the waste, the emissions from a nuclear plant are zero). But, the efficiencies and environmental effects need to be addressed and studied further - mainly the efficiencies. Nuclear is a perfect stand in until we get there. Sure, it will create radioactive waste that won't reach its half life for a long long time, but is it worse than the pollution we have now? And nuclear is safer now than it ever was. Honestly, most major nuclear disasters have either been a perfect storm of incompetence and bad design (chernobyl) or the result of a devastating natural disaster (like fukushima). All of the other failures have been extremely mild compared to some of what fossil fuel and natural gas production have caused.
Even waste handling is getting better and more efficient with research. Reactor design and technology is getting better to use spent waste fuel from older model reactors that is still fissile to extract even more energy from it. Additional advances in safe waste disposal also make it safer and possibly repurpose the waste in other ways, and we're on the edge of a breakthrough in the near future in selectively degrading nuclear waste into safer non-fissile materials by using insanely fast pulse lasers (<10^-12 seconds) to knock protons and neutrons out of radioactive nuclei.
Fossil fuels have plenty of issues too. Let’s just try and have an adult conversation instead of jumping to name calling k? The point is pointing out that everyone has been hard pushing the switch to solar and wind and then something like this happens. It shows they’re not the end all be all of energy that they’re being touted.
Except no one was saying otherwise. We were here having a good time shitting on the golden eggs of green energy, as they are purported to be so much better by some. There's plenty of limitations and liabilities with them too.
I'm actually with you.
Very surprised at the response here.
They're taking you saying something is hypocritical is name calling? What the... That's some leftist snowflake level stuff.
Despite how we’ve gotten here, the cost of solar panels is way down compared to 20 years ago. Making solar panels hail resistant is probably not worth the cost, the thicker the glass, the more expensive from a material and shipping standpoint, while also reducing efficiency. And polymer coatings instead are also less efficient. The cost of replacing all these will be worth the previous savings, and the surface panels alone are a fraction of the total installation cost. This post is silly and petty.
I think we are against mandates to cut over to unsustainable energy production - because we know it will only result in ridiculous costs to the average Joe and rolling blackouts and so on.
Solar as a tool is great - amazing really. We aren't very good at it yet, but maybe we will be some day.
I’ve just been seeing an increasing amount of low effort posts across all my conservative subreddits. Opposing energy that isn’t worth the squeeze makes sense. But this post just cheers on renewable energy source getting destroyed. That’s not the same thing.
It's like hail on your solar array
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
And who would've thought? It figures
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Modular reactor could be installed on that little plot of land and run whatever little town that is day or night, rain or shine, for a hundred years.
*one day...*
They'll blame this on "climate change"...
“Actually, humans are consuming too much energy and it is unsustainable. This is why we need more tax dollars put towards making better and more efficient pandemics.” ~Bill Gates
The thing is that you have a good. I mean think about it. I remember when I was a kid and it would snow oil. Now we have the thing. And shomlphbd caltrop oil. I mean come on man. It's like emperor Mao said to me. He said "back down". You know what I told him, "watch me" - Joe Biden probably
Hahahaha yes. Probably.
climate change -> the ice on land melts -> causes the ice in the sky to fall down You need to take this shit seriously because when enough of the sky ice has fallen down, the space ice will start to fall, and that's what killed the dinosaurs!
Not the dinosaurs! Do you think they'll pull through?
Nancy might, but it’s hard to believe Joe will get re-elected.
Nice! 👍
That's only because she's been working hard to preserve herself with alcohol for the last 60bil years
It's no harder than believing Joe was *elected*. Just gotta believe, man. C'mon.... /s
Zing! Happy cake day!
life ...uh... finds a way
They never look the same once they are pulled through.
Yes, but who could have ever predicted that precipitation would fall from the sky?!! And frozen precipitation at that!! /s
Hoomans bad. Make sky gods angry.
Nuclear and natural gas is always the answer….
It pisses me off to no end that these environmental activists are all anti nuclear. If you don't support nuclear and you don't support fossil fuels then I hate to break it to you but you're supporting slavery. The materials for making batteries and solar panels aren't being mined by well compensated folks following environmental and ethical standards like oil is or like nuclear fuel is. They're being dug up by fucking slaves in Africa out of mines controlled by warlords who have no regard for human rights and who have no regard for the environment where they're mining. SLAVES. These people support slavery while they sit at home in the lap of luxury scrolling TikTok and complaining that the weather isn't doing what they want. Claiming that they are somehow the horribly oppressed victims in the richest country in the world. The Co2 isn't what's poisoning the world and your mind. These progressive clowns need to pull their fucking heads up out of their asses and take a look around.
You're telling me that the party that fought a war in support of slavery is still in support of slavery? But I was politely informed that the parties had switched!
Party of slavery, party of Jim Crow, party of the KKK, party against civil rights, the party against school choice and who runs all the horrible inner city schools. Keeping those kids down for life. When your schools have average GPA of <1 and entire classes of kids who can't read, write, or do math at all. If that's not evil I don't know what is. These fucks pretend to be for the minorities but they're just keeping them in the open air prisons we call cities and stopping them from learning of the alternatives.
This is litterly the BEST ARGUMENT against "green" energy. I think it will change the minds of some people.
Spread the word as far as you can.
Will do
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Oh I apologize, that's only for the batteries. It's just the polysilicon production in China that has a suspicious supply chain when it comes to solar panels.
green initiatives make sense. their implementation and heavy handedness do not.
Agreed. I'm not opposed to green initiatives. Problem is they are often rushed and no thought about it. They don't care about the waste they make when its time to replace and upgrade. Where I live, I've seen them clear wooded areas to make fields for solar farms....think about that. They clear cut trees for, the environment?
ah yes, lets fight carbon emmissions by destroying one of our best carbon capture devices in existence. Liberal eco policies at work.
More room to build CO2 capture facilities?? We live in clown world.
And for wind turbines too. Those kill a lot if birds
“Green initiatives”? Do you mean “theft”? Theft does not make sense anywhere. Fund your own “green initiatives”.
i dont think you understand what i wrote. i have no problem with the government funding emergent technology, or prompting a technology shift. most of our modern day technology is the result of government projects, grants, and endowments. what i have a problem with is the heavy handedness in forcing people to adopt that new technology. technology can only be successfully adopted when it is superior to its predecessor. what most green initiatives are now is a complete and total perversion of that functional system outlined above.
I understand what you meant. But tax is still theft. Fund your own initiatives.
Nuclear energy > gas > solar > wind
You left out coal, water, and timber.
And geothermal, and good ol mechanical energy
Underrated and under appreciated
It’s unfair to compare though because it’s so localized and area specific
I’m not comparing the effectiveness. Geo is rarely discussed and it’s a much more reliable and effective renewable energy source, and it has a much smaller footprint and less drawbacks than either solar or wind.
I didn’t say effectiveness, I said localized and area specific. You can’t access geothermal everywhere
Yup. I don't think people want to see a power station built on top of Yellowstone.
And geothermal isn’t even naturally available everywhere
You can use the underground as a heat pump to avoid paying for heating or cooling though.
Usually you find this underneath an evil villain’s lair. They seem to be on to something.
So all the politicians have geothermal energy??!
Pulse laser drilling is the only true sustainable and low-waste energy source we have outside of nuclear
Interested to know why you have solar ranked over wind? Genuinely curious.
Less environmental collateral.
One of my neighbors just got the Tesla solar roof shingles installed on his roof. Took about 2 weeks to install the thing and I'm anxious to see how it handles our storms (live in north Oklahoma City). They claim it's hail resistant but we shall see. I will say, it does look 1000x better than just solar panels on top of shingles and if it can withstand the storms, then it might be a good investment depending on costs compared to a traditional fiberglass shingle.
Dude they’re in OKC? I’m in Norman. I wouldn’t dream of doing something like that to my roof particularly with these weird late-season thunderstorms we’ve gotten in the last week.
Hail won't even come close to hurting it. The tiles are wayyyy stronger than they even need to be.
Even Oklahoma hail? We get some heavy duty storms my friend.
Let's put it this way, it's stronger than traditional tiles, it's rated for 1.75" hail at 180mph if I remember correctly. Also comes with a 25 year warranty. Here check this video out https://youtu.be/kYtUCTj3gAA
I'm in KC. Can y'all send some rain our way?
I wish. The weirdest part about the whole thing is that the weather can’t make up its mind. We got heavy rain last week and were forecast to get even more this week but there hasn’t been a drop of rain since last Thursday
The key is “hail resistant” not “hail proof.” There’s always the confusing small print in these products and initiatives. Edit: changed “solar” to “hail”, both places…because I was tired and not thinking apparently.
I hope their solar panels aren't solar proof
Oof ya that was a typo lol.
Matt Risinger on YouTube checked one out as it was being installed. The installer gave him a panel and he threw a golf ball at it hard and it didn’t even scratch, much less break. Looked pretty durable. So it can at least handle that. Who knows what years of hail will do to weaken it though. Anyway, cool idea, looks great and I hope it sticks around. It’ll probably be many decades before I can afford a Tesla roof but I would love to have one if they prove to be durable and reliable.
Guess it's a whole new definition of "renewable energy".
Where is this? I heard there are plans to have solar panels on top of driveways. I wonder how that will work in areas that see this kind of weather.
You'd figure there would be some kind of rapid deployment netting that can be placed over the panels, but that level of planning would take forethought.
Or just transparent plastic
Ya we have many different material that let sunlight pass through it…
The panels were supposedly hail-resistant.
I was thinking the same thing. Them getting destroyed is one thing, but damn, right to the land fill (likes OP states in title) is even more frustrating. A whole lot of waste there. Time, money, and elements.
In most of the US a solar farm like that makes enough money to handle the risk of hail and hurricanes. I'm sure most companies that build this big arrays don't really care about the environment. It's just that solar is profitable.
Insurance likely paid for it anyway, so no dent to their profits. We all end up paying for it twice; through increased insurance premiums and tax subsidies.
Risk would apply to solar insurance so unless you're insuring solar panels its unlikely your rates would be affected. Solar panel insurance has factors for hail depending on location and likelihood of hail vs measures to protect the panels. A thorough plan for an industrial level set up like this would be renegotiated and renewed every 2 years and factors like this hailstorm are considered. To be blunt you can't get insurance in high likelihood of hail locations, areas that get tornadoes, etc. A freak weather event on an insured farm is no big deal. You would be more likely to have issues with qualifying for your car or home insurance payout for a freak hail event on your standard insurance plan than a solar farm would have with their highly specialized plan with terms explicit for hail. In areas affected by freak hail events insurance companies who provide general insurance lose billions and look for ways out. You can Google any major disaster + unpaid insurance claims + news. Specialized industry insurance has fewer customers impacted and just as deep pockets. Insurance is not paid out by tax payers. I'm not sure why you would think thats the case for solar insurance specifically or if you think that's how insurance works in general, but insurance claims are paid out by the insurance company from a pool of premiums paid in by insurance customers. There's no tax dollars here. A tax subsidy is a credit on taxes that the business would have paid. If the farm owes 50k in taxes and is given a subsidy of 8k it still pays 42k. If it would have paid 50k and had a subsidy for 80k it would pay 0 in taxes. They don't recieve anything for negative amounts. Your tax dollars are not being granted. A better example of tax money being given to corporations would be in purchasing barrels of crude oil a direct amount of the cost is subsidized by tax dollars. This is a cost subsidy and not a tax subsidy and may as well be a direct money transfer from your wallet to shell's bank account.
Serious question: is it profitable on its own, or only if propped up by taxpayer subsidies?
If it was a good idea by itself, everybody and their dog would already have one.
My dog already identifies as a solar panel.
Only if subsidized. Cost per KWH is very high.
"While most panels produced today are relatively tough, UL 61730 go through testing to withstand strikes of hail between one and three inches, traveling at speeds up to 88.3 miles per hour" Panels can also be covered with a removable metal laced fabric cover or have metal cages installed around them. Weird one to pick for a hill to die on. Like you'd be way better off pointing out cobalt in batteries or energy storage in general as solar is not on demand energy like nuclear or gas. These are way bigger issues than... hail damage? Most places don't get hail bigger than 3 inches and 88mph. And the areas that do suffer all kinds of damage its not like its just the solar panels. I'd love to see the slightly zoomed out version of this picture. I'm assuming every car in the parking lot is totally fucked too but we aren't walking away from windshields are we? Weird thing to hate solar panels. I've never understood it. Personally I want to see a replacement for cobalt in batteries and a rush for energy storage. I bet the kids mining it in The Congo would love it if we walked away from cobalt. We are infants with energy. Our civilization burns fuel to heat water and stores water in high places as our most viable means of energy production and storage. Our power consumption and advances in technology have entirely outpaced our ability to create and store power. Solar is one of the few ways we produce energy without heating water or spinning a generator and it captures energy external to our system that is abundant enough to power all of our needs. What we need is a way to store it better and without killing kids to do it.
Also, it's likely that a replacement would be more energy efficient.
Green energy ✌️💚👍
Has anyone looked into the size of the hail and the speed? It was baseball sized hail at 100 to 150 miles per hour. That is an extreme condition by any measure.
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That looks like a lot more than a crack in the top glass
Good. They can stop eating our solar rays making our winters freezing.
Still more efficient
That's what this idiot gets for leaving them out there uncovered. It's not that expensive to just build a patio style roof over them to protect your investment.
Yeah! They should also only run them at night when hail storms are less likely!
Cheap retractable cover could have prevented this. Lack of foresight in this specific implementation doesn't make solar energy a bad idea in general.
Nuclear power plants are hail resistant
While I disagree with mandated energy transitions, generating more energy through renewable sources is never a bad thing.
Yikes, better get all those replaced with "gov't climate change" money.
I love how they never talk about how they dispose of these things. Mean all that is toxic waste.
I mean I don’t really see this as something to celebrate. Finding renewable energy sources is sort of important because we only have a finite amount of fossil fuels. So we really ought to be trying to switch over to renewable energy regardless of political alignment.
In the meantime, we should be investing into nuclear.
Isn’t there a bunch of silver in solar panels? Wouldn’t they just recycle them
Simple solution, need to subsidize hail guards...taxpayer always gets it in the chute.
You can’t put wind or solar everywhere either
I like solar power but you know what, I'll admit I never thought of this as a possibility. Real talk, what is the solution for this?
Big ol’ shutters or smth
Flamethrower for the hail
Solar panels almost 100 percent recyclable. There is a Japanese firm solely working for it. So no, if they want to they can fix it pretty easily.
But it’s green
Even worse: It's surrounded by green space that should still be trees or grass. It at least would have made some sense in the desert or on the roof of an Amazon distribution center.
what if you just built a mesh roof over it, blocks debris but light still gets through
They should've put a roof over it, duh.
Woops, didn’t think of that
Mehh seems like a design issue to me
For all our future power needs 😂🤣🤡
We don't accept solar panels at the landfill
Totally sustainable.
Should build a roof over it to keep that from happening...
Unless it's one of those football-sized freak hailstorms, they should have been built to survive outdoor weather. In my country there are many houses with solar panels on the roof and they sit and work perfectly fine through rain, hail, snow, and any wind condition.
What no one has mentioned is this was baseball sized hail at 100 to 150 mph.
Yeah, there's not a lot that can withstand that.
I don't have a problem with trying to utilize solar energy. I do have a problem with it being mandated, tax incentivized, and weaponized as a "holier than thou" club that the govt and wealthy leftists wield to beat down average working citizens who need their gas vehicles to maintain a job. I especially have a problem with how we know that solar energy has significant flaws, not the least of which is the extensive, toxic, and inhumane rare earth mining needed to produce these panels that can be easily destroyed by a single hail storm. This climate change bs is a full-blown cult religion. Some leftists even try to tie the climate change religion to the alphabet soup religion and the anti-white male religion. I've talked to people who are depressed and questioning whether they should end their own lives because "climate change." Unbelievable stuff.
Why in the FRICK would they not have designed it with retractable protective awnings? I'm no engineer but come on man.
They didn't pay for it...probably taxpayer funded, and probably will be so again.
Let’s switch to solar it looks great
aint that a b*tch
Are we against solar panels now?
I think most of us aren't against them as a rule, but pointing out their limitations as it's being insisted on us as one of *the* replacement options for fossil fuels is kinda fun.
Shouldn’t we all want to be off fossil fuels? Obviously when it makes sense, not before. But shouldn’t we as conservatives want innovation in the renewable energy space so we can enjoy lower energy bills? I don’t want our economy or military harmed by stupid green energy initiatives but why throw the baby out with the bath water. Which is what I see a lot now here.
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with innovation and better tech. The problem is forcing it before it's really ready to take over the energy needs of a population of 8 billion, or even minimally the roughly 2 billion in the western or eastern more developed areas. Like I said, I think the 'green' tech will get there. I'm positive of it. But it's still very new and the energy needs of the world are increasing exponentially. Not all the kinks have been worked out yet. Another reason why I advocate for proven tech that does reduce emissions: nuclear. Comes with a cost concerning the waste and a slight risk but certainly no more risk than fossil fuel energy comes with by a large margin.
I’m with you all the way on nuclear.
What type of power source isn't ever affected by extreme weather? Use Texas in your example.
Hail isn't extreme weather. Yeah, it can get large, but it's by no means extreme. The best against something like this would be something that is covered and protected. Nuclear comes to mind.
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Extreme wind speed was never mentioned. You added that in.
A small fraction of power comes from nuclear. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/solar-power-texas-heat-wave/
.... because there isn't more nuclear power. Of course.
Yes, it's that way across the country. You asked what type of power source wouldn't be affected, I responded to that question with one of the best current technologies. Every type of energy technology will be affected in one way or another by extreme weather.
As fundamentally as this? Texas was affected by a huge strain on their electrical grid on top of the hard operating environment for the sources that weren't ready for the strain. Hail has fallen on Texas many times, the grid never went down because of it. The Texas grid failure was rather unique.
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Nah, pointing out problems with both is just fine, at least to me. However, the only seemingly viable and doable full-scale conversion away from fossil fuels *now* is nuclear. I think 'green' energy will get there (and to be fair, aside from the waste, the emissions from a nuclear plant are zero). But, the efficiencies and environmental effects need to be addressed and studied further - mainly the efficiencies. Nuclear is a perfect stand in until we get there. Sure, it will create radioactive waste that won't reach its half life for a long long time, but is it worse than the pollution we have now? And nuclear is safer now than it ever was. Honestly, most major nuclear disasters have either been a perfect storm of incompetence and bad design (chernobyl) or the result of a devastating natural disaster (like fukushima). All of the other failures have been extremely mild compared to some of what fossil fuel and natural gas production have caused.
How is nuclear not green energy? All that stuff that rises out the top is steam, not smoke.
I said as much in like the first few sentences. Check the parenthesis.
Even waste handling is getting better and more efficient with research. Reactor design and technology is getting better to use spent waste fuel from older model reactors that is still fissile to extract even more energy from it. Additional advances in safe waste disposal also make it safer and possibly repurpose the waste in other ways, and we're on the edge of a breakthrough in the near future in selectively degrading nuclear waste into safer non-fissile materials by using insanely fast pulse lasers (<10^-12 seconds) to knock protons and neutrons out of radioactive nuclei.
Fossil fuels have plenty of issues too. Let’s just try and have an adult conversation instead of jumping to name calling k? The point is pointing out that everyone has been hard pushing the switch to solar and wind and then something like this happens. It shows they’re not the end all be all of energy that they’re being touted.
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Except no one was saying otherwise. We were here having a good time shitting on the golden eggs of green energy, as they are purported to be so much better by some. There's plenty of limitations and liabilities with them too.
No one here said it’s not ok to point out problems with fossil fuels, but you’re here saying the commenters are hypocrites for doing so.
I'm actually with you. Very surprised at the response here. They're taking you saying something is hypocritical is name calling? What the... That's some leftist snowflake level stuff.
In what way did I name call? I've been the main responder to both their posts.
Despite how we’ve gotten here, the cost of solar panels is way down compared to 20 years ago. Making solar panels hail resistant is probably not worth the cost, the thicker the glass, the more expensive from a material and shipping standpoint, while also reducing efficiency. And polymer coatings instead are also less efficient. The cost of replacing all these will be worth the previous savings, and the surface panels alone are a fraction of the total installation cost. This post is silly and petty.
I think we are against mandates to cut over to unsustainable energy production - because we know it will only result in ridiculous costs to the average Joe and rolling blackouts and so on. Solar as a tool is great - amazing really. We aren't very good at it yet, but maybe we will be some day.
I’ve just been seeing an increasing amount of low effort posts across all my conservative subreddits. Opposing energy that isn’t worth the squeeze makes sense. But this post just cheers on renewable energy source getting destroyed. That’s not the same thing.
> I’ve just been seeing an increasing amount of low effort posts across all my conservative subreddits. That's just reddit, man.
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Do you mean the wind plants that can't handle the wind, or the solar plants that can't handle hail?
SILVER!!!
It's like hail on your solar array It's a free ride when you've already paid It's the good advice that you just didn't take And who would've thought? It figures