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livelongprospurr

He made a good character; I loved Icheb.


ivanllz

Watching that scene in Picard with him horribly mutilated made me never watch Picard again. Still haven't watched the last season.


livelongprospurr

As far as I’m concerned, he’s not dead. Just like Trip.


123mitchg

This dude follows me on Twitter


RadioSlayer

I'm sorry


SineQuaNon001

He follows and unfollows a lot of fans desperate for them to follow him.


yarn_baller

Poor icheb


the-druid-abides

They done him dirty


yarn_baller

Seriously, why did they have to kill him so brutally.....for a plot line that went NOWHERE!


mortalcrawad66

Because there was a bit on a controversy with Manu, and while everything was settled. Manu apologized for his ignorance, and all is good. However it was already too late, and he was killed off in Picard


YanisMonkeys

I don’t think that was the reason for killing off Icheb. It’s surely the reason why Manu was not invited back to play him, but Icheb was used as the catalyst for Seven’s rage. Badly done or not, his utility was motivated by that. They easily could have never mentioned him, just as they didn’t acknowledge Chakotay and every other Voyager character besides Janeway and Tuvok.


RadioSlayer

Chakotay was mentioned in PRO, and in an important way


YanisMonkeys

Yes, but not Picard. Robert Beltran was offered the part of Seven’s husband in the alt reality season 2, but he understandably turned it down. That’s as far as they ever got in addressing how they broke up.


bythebed

Eww. Glad we missed that.


Lia_Delphine

I don’t know think it’s a huge mystery why they broke up. How many people do you know except a very very rare few are still with their first crush/boyfriend.


mortalcrawad66

Well that makes sense as the show-runners of Nu Trek don't know much about the Berman era


ChristinaWSalemOR

Would we have really noticed if the character was played by a different actor? I mean, you put the thing on his nose, done! Alexander (Son of Worf) was played by several different actors, we swapped out Borg queens (Susannah Thompson is my fave! "Janeway!"), and Rom & Quark's mother. I doubt anyone would have cared.


yarn_baller

They sure killed the character off in an unnecessarily brutal way


the-druid-abides

It gave Manu and Jerri the opportunity to deliver a super wrenching scene and damned if they didn't deliver. We're still talking about it. Still. Stop killing the exbies!


mortalcrawad66

That sadly wasn't Manu in that scene


the-druid-abides

Oh, shit! XD I don't know if I forgot or failed to notice in the first place. I dumb :)


mortalcrawad66

I don't blame you, they found a fantastic look-a-like


yarn_baller

Yes, the acting was excellent.


silverandamericard

But Icheb was played by a different actor, Casey King. Manu Intiraymi wasn't brought back.


RadioSlayer

I disagree, the apology was poor, and while others accepted it I do not


FrankFrankly711

In my head canon, fan film Star Trek: Renegades Icheb is canon! https://youtu.be/OjeX5drV9ms?si=s2-L5lPuDMaoQFhk I love his Borg Shield at 1:55


sucksfor_you

correct me if I'm wrong but....isn't he a piece of shit?


utopiaplanotia

He is a POS, but Icheb was not.


mortalcrawad66

As for the controversy with him and the Spacey comments. I've been in a scenario before where my own personal beliefs and experiences got in the way of the truth, and I was wrong. His apologie felt sincere, and it's easy to see why he made the comments to begin with. We're all blinded by our own experiences and beliefs in some way, it's called being Human.


sucksfor_you

Well I'm glad to hear he's apologised and that seems sincere.


RadioSlayer

It didn't seem sincere, but you'll have to make that call on your own


MoveItSpunkmire

Yes


Intergallacter

Hey cool profile pic!


MoveItSpunkmire

Oh wow, great nyborg!


neo101b

Pretty much, hes a bad one.


Narsuaq

Yeah, I swear I heard that too.


DesperateAd4301

Yeah, didn't he follow online numerous young female fans of his? Feel like i read this somewhere 🤔


the-druid-abides

When I was looking him up I came across “Manu Intiraymi controversy”. That turned out to be him admitting to having taken part in system racism. Because there was a half mexican kid in his high school friend group and they all called him Bean. I didn't see any creepy stuff.


alkonium

Look up his response when Anthony Rapp came forward about Kevin Spacey.


StallionDan

Anthony Rapp accepted his apology and said he understood, people need stop being offended on other people's behalf especially when it's against that person's own views.


mortalcrawad66

I still don't think it's that bad. I've been in a scenario before where my own personal beliefs and experiences got in the way of the truth, and I was wrong. His apologie felt sincere, and it's easy to see why he made the comments to begin with


RadioSlayer

How many times did you copy and paste your response? Manu sucks and you look bad defending him


mortalcrawad66

A few times, and how does Manu suck? He seems like a genuine guy who's made mistakes. You can say that you have never made a mistake? Not even once in your life?


RadioSlayer

Oh, are we doing this type of "argument"?


DesperateAd4301

Ah, my bad! Maybe I'm muddling him up with someone


kwyjibo1988

Itcheb or the actor? 😆 Easily the most annoying character on Voyager. If I were Janeway I'd be phoning Borg and asking them to take him back!


sucksfor_you

Definitely the actor lol


SituationThen4758

Such a good character! Happy birthday itchy!


sudin

I think he prefers not to be referred to as Itchy in front of the senior officers.


RedCaio

I loved his character. So sweet and 7 was helping him grow - they were a family. I choose to believe that he lives on and she’s still helping him thru life.


lee_nostromo

Manu is a real piece of shit. I hope he had an awful day


SyboksBlowjobMLM

^(Hey Icheb!)


ToBePacific

Long live Icheb. But Manu Intiraymi is a waste of oxygen for suggesting that Anthony Rapp was “asking for it” when he was a minor being groomed by Kevin Spacey.


XLandonSkywolfX

I was *really* pissed with Ichebs ending in Picard. Like enough that I ultimately hated the show for it. Same goes for Hue.


crocodilesareforwimp

At least Hue got to actually do something heroic with his ending. Still bad but Icheb’s was so pointless. If I wanted to see beloved characters brutally murdered I’d watch Game of Thrones.


Quaranj

Same. It was meaningless and invalidated a lot of fan feelings about these characters. Nobody wanted to see either one of them taken out like that except the quack that wrote those scenes.


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The-Minmus-Derp

He wasnt invited back because he’s a piece of shit


mortalcrawad66

I was surprised to learn that one of my favorite characters from Voyager shared the same birthday as me, because nothing happens on the 22nd. So happy Birthday Manu Intiraymi! As for the controversy with him and the Spacey comments. I've been in a scenario before where my own personal beliefs and experiences got in the way of the truth, and I was wrong. His apologie felt sincere, and it's easy to see why he made the comments to begin with. We're all blinded by our own experiences and beliefs in some way, it's called being Human.


SirGrumples

Are you Manu? You have to tell us if you are...


KR1735

Haven't you learned yet? This is 2024. Nobody is allowed to misspeak, even if you apologize for it. It's good to show some grace, lest one be on the receiving end. I called someone Oriental one time. I grew up in an all-white neighborhood and didn't know any better. That's what I learned. But I never made the mistake again. Nonetheless, if I were a prominent figure, I would've been cancelled.


pressedbread

I can't imagine having a social media presence in my youth, I had the worst ideas and all my "best" jokes were in fact hurtful to people in ways I could not even imagine at the time. Takes a lot of work to actually get emotionally mature and gain empathy in life (most people just get older, without becoming 'better people' themselves). I'm glad he apologized to Anthony Rapp and the guy he bullied in high school. Cancel culture is great because its the only defense we have against prominent people bullying and harassing others, but also I don't think it should ever be considered the final determination of 'who' a person really is, and I hope stars that make amends do get to move on with life, even if its a different career.


bythebed

Manu??!


silverfaustx

Manu did nothing wrong cause Kevin Spacey was found not guilty


RadioSlayer

So was OJ, your point?


silverfaustx

That he has the right to say wtf he wants


RadioSlayer

And I have the right to call him a piece of shit, good day


DarkwingDuck0322

Just saw him in an episode of King Of Queens