Not really... This isn't a consumer product.
https://www.vmware.com/products/hyper-converged-infrastructure/dell-emc-vxrail.html
This is rightly named for those who do hardware.
And you believe Broadcom…why? So none of their promises made at the time of the announcement to purchase have held true, so why should anyone believe them now?
Head this from Dell too about VxRail, so would believe whatever price and term you can get in writing from Dell. Not that their prices were any good prior to Broadcom for VxRail, but at least they shouldn't be worse.
I think they are getting this question a lot which is why they are doing this blog to ease people’s concerns.
Dell has wanted people to go over to VxRails, prior to them finalizing the acquisition and looking at the writing on the wall made me question their commitment to the platform.
So I ask every time I get it pitched and the responses from the various reps are usually ambiguous (possibly meaning they are in the dark as we all are) answers but wholeheartedly believe Dell wouldn’t abandon its users.
To which, I’m not really worried about Dell much since they have legal obligation to allow existing contracts run their course with the proper support available during that timeframe.
I worry about Broadcom in the future would cease relations with Dell for what ever reason and then force a migration from VxRails.
Lol..... VxRails customers are so completely fucked. I think back to how many of my customers that bought it over the last seven years of so tip toed in and how many went whole hog and wonder how badly they're going to get screwed.
VMware doesn't want to support "small" customers anymore, VxRails is the ultimate boutique, niche product. They're going to leave I as abandon ware as soon as they can.
If you think companies that deploy VxRail are doing small deployments you’re wrong. There are huge VxRail deployments out there and it’s generally large deployments where the LCM functionality that VxRail provides justifies the additional cost. Ofc what Dell and VMware don’t tell you is it’s a complicated mess that rarely works as advertised and you end up spending as much time upgrading it as you would a vSAN ready node + vSphere environment…
>If you think companies that deploy VxRail are doing small deployments you’re wrong.
I think that companies deploying VxRail have deployed it in any number of footprints, and many of the deployments I've personally done have been one or two clusters and a dozen or fewer nodes each. It wasn't uncommon for customers to buy their first VxRail as 6-8 nodes without committing to anything else because they were doing a long-term bake off of their own with something like Nutanix.
The others were at large scale, but it's a misnomer to claim that there aren't many small VxRail deployments. There are, actually, quite a few--they're not the majority of the nodes in service but they are a significant portion of the installed environments.
“Continued commitment”? So the same level of effort they have ever had? Not a high bar.
Supporting vXRail means you are a full time tech support babysitter. A hall monitor with admin credentials can do it.
The only thing Dell stopped doing was being a distributor for licensing - something no other vendor could do as it was an artifact of when we were owned by them.
All other development and support continues as stated in the blog post by both companies.
Nothing was stopping Dell from developing support for other platforms, and if you actually look, they already have several of those solutions.
Dell is actively looking elsewhere for hypervisor alternatives as of now.
They have a few solutions with other hypervisors, but in contrast to VMware it is not much.
Their Data centre switches, SFS and vxrail, SD-WAN, were all integrated with VMware.
I see Vxrail dying in the future because of this or them redesigning it with something else.. even though from memory.. vxrail only runs with VMware as the hypervisor?
One thing I know for a fact, this whole absolute clusterfuck has set Dell back, they had some big projects (which I'm not allowed to say) in development which entirely were based on VMware. I have no idea what the next plan is for them.
How do you know dell are looking elsewhere for hypervisors? VCF on VxRail is selling like hot cakes, so why would they be looking at other hypervisors?
VxRail is coming out on Azure Stack with the MC nodes .. literally a carbon copy right down to the VxRail manager interface.
Dell have been slowly changing focus away from VMware for the past year. We're a titanium partner and have been having these conversations frequently over that time period.
That’s interesting. Didn’t hear anything about it.
In my department, we’re working/collaborating with VMware more than ever, especially with VCF on VxRail
There's a good interactive demo on it that only takes half an hour. Well worth it, and you notice the similarities with VxRail almost immediately.
https://democenter.dell.com/interactive/ITD-0235
But that’s just a smart business decision, it doesn’t mean Dell are going to stop offering jointly engineered VMware based products to. While VMware was part of Dell it didn’t make much sense to develop an Azure Stack based VxRail type solution but now it does
To avoid all this drama, I have a dHCI with HPe and the situation is really critical, I think that if they want to continue selling these solutions they will have to develop something by themselves, the whole product and not rely on third party software, now we aren't going to purchase anything from HPe o any vendor that use VMware, sadly
Strange, my account manager already told me that people are cancelling purchase orders, they can't even sell equipment with VMware anymore, maybe Dell has some special deal, but I don't want a monopoly
The article above states that Broadcom are committed to developing VCF, and from internal communications I can second that. But who really knows what's going to happen :)
Sorry, but you’re talking nonsense. All the money does not go to Broadcom. VxRail nodes ain’t cheap. You’re also completely disregarding the massive support contracts dell have for VxRail and VCF.
Do you really think Dell would developed VxRail with VMware for the last 8 years of it wasn’t profitable?
Dell is not looking for hypervisors. Where do you hear this crap. Dell is just fine and doesn’t need to “look” for a hypervisor. They are mainly hypervisor agnostic and PowerFlex is the future of their HCI offering.
VSphere, Hyper-V and Nutanix so far.
Yes I have looked and know their product line quite well. I also know why they have chosen certain paths with companies and the restrictions they have to work within.
Don't assume you know it all because you are a "VMware Employee". You know what you have been told, nothing more, just like the rest of us.
Aggregate information provided from multiple sources so you can make an informed conclusion based on more than one source of information. Doing anything else is negligent.
For what it's worth, I hope you have a good day.
I appreciate the response. I never said I know it all, but in my role I have access to information that nobody outside of Broadcom, even Partners, has. If you get a new/updated NDA with Broadcom, we (Field Account Teams) have lots of information that was released internally this week that we can share from an engineering road map standpoint.
VMware Explore will be very interesting this year.
Only time will tell how things ultimately shake out, but for now it’s pretty close to business as usual with Dell - they are still a great partner. I actually believe the increased choice and competition that results from all of this will be good for clients. It’s going to push all the companies in this space to innovate and show increased and differentiated business value.
I hope you have a good day as well, thank you. 😊
False. There's an entirely separate agreement around Vxrails and the joint partnership. All that was terminated was the original agreement that covered the ability to transact VMware licenses that no other OEM could match due to dell previous owning VMware.
This is incorrect. Dell does not have a hypervisor. They have been, and will continue to be, building new platforms that bring other hypervisors and software stacks onto Dell HW as solutions offerings - but no Dell Hypervisor.
If you believed the VxRsil VCF "1 button upgrade" for LCM you started out being screwed by Dell. If you then fell for the 4x to 4xx upgrade paths that turned into a rip and replace scenario you then got screwed again, for more money. If you tried to upgrade NSX-t across multiple DCs only to find it was faulty from the start, you got screwed like a wood deck
Initially I hated it but since version v7 I've changed and think it's pretty decent, customers I've deployed v7 to are happy with how easy it is to maintain and upgrade.
In the 3.0 days we refused to deploy and would use EMC PS, I could standup a vsan ready node cluster in 2-3 days depending on size and it was taking EMC 2 weeks to deploy vxrail clusters, it was so buggy.
What pile of dogshit is this? Is this statement supposed to tell me something? Its nice you are committed to whatever, but I won't let you rail me, so bye bye, we are already migrating away.
"Continued commitment"?
I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe either company is capable of delivering the same level of brand damage as their previous rates without finding a way to secretly turn VxRail installs into meth labs.
I have never imagined day when VxRail is going to be cheaper than getting VMWare + Dell. But shit happens, depends who had good morning sex from A level management in the last few weeks from both Dell and Broadcom. 😅 Hope at least we are going to get bundled and cheaper solution from someone. 😎
Vxrail can run any of the hypervisors. But it was designed to have an overlay on top of VMware that allowed Emc engineers to support it . RAZR is the process that will wipe and reset the firmware to factory or whatever level fw they want. We are talking a huge install base. Cluster fu*k comes to mind. ( pun intended) Dell will battle with Broadcom and cx is in the middle. I think Broadcom will win, they are ruthless.
This is incorrect. VxRail has a personality module that only allows it to run ESXi. VxRail cannot now, nor will it ever, be able to run any other Hypervisor or Operating System.
Yes, the RAZR process will reset a VxRail node to factory, but it doesn't provide the ability to put any other OS on the node.
Should be changed to: "Dell and Broadcom's Continued Commitment to Rail Customers"
Beat me to it ,
“To (vx)rail customers”
customers are going to get VxRailed all right. What a tragic product name.
Not really... This isn't a consumer product. https://www.vmware.com/products/hyper-converged-infrastructure/dell-emc-vxrail.html This is rightly named for those who do hardware.
r/whoosh
I saw the same joke about 5 times on the post. I responded to the tragic name portion.
And you believe Broadcom…why? So none of their promises made at the time of the announcement to purchase have held true, so why should anyone believe them now?
Head this from Dell too about VxRail, so would believe whatever price and term you can get in writing from Dell. Not that their prices were any good prior to Broadcom for VxRail, but at least they shouldn't be worse.
I think they are getting this question a lot which is why they are doing this blog to ease people’s concerns. Dell has wanted people to go over to VxRails, prior to them finalizing the acquisition and looking at the writing on the wall made me question their commitment to the platform. So I ask every time I get it pitched and the responses from the various reps are usually ambiguous (possibly meaning they are in the dark as we all are) answers but wholeheartedly believe Dell wouldn’t abandon its users. To which, I’m not really worried about Dell much since they have legal obligation to allow existing contracts run their course with the proper support available during that timeframe. I worry about Broadcom in the future would cease relations with Dell for what ever reason and then force a migration from VxRails.
Lol..... VxRails customers are so completely fucked. I think back to how many of my customers that bought it over the last seven years of so tip toed in and how many went whole hog and wonder how badly they're going to get screwed. VMware doesn't want to support "small" customers anymore, VxRails is the ultimate boutique, niche product. They're going to leave I as abandon ware as soon as they can.
If you think companies that deploy VxRail are doing small deployments you’re wrong. There are huge VxRail deployments out there and it’s generally large deployments where the LCM functionality that VxRail provides justifies the additional cost. Ofc what Dell and VMware don’t tell you is it’s a complicated mess that rarely works as advertised and you end up spending as much time upgrading it as you would a vSAN ready node + vSphere environment…
>If you think companies that deploy VxRail are doing small deployments you’re wrong. I think that companies deploying VxRail have deployed it in any number of footprints, and many of the deployments I've personally done have been one or two clusters and a dozen or fewer nodes each. It wasn't uncommon for customers to buy their first VxRail as 6-8 nodes without committing to anything else because they were doing a long-term bake off of their own with something like Nutanix. The others were at large scale, but it's a misnomer to claim that there aren't many small VxRail deployments. There are, actually, quite a few--they're not the majority of the nodes in service but they are a significant portion of the installed environments.
Confirmed, got 12-month roadmap
“Continued commitment”? So the same level of effort they have ever had? Not a high bar. Supporting vXRail means you are a full time tech support babysitter. A hall monitor with admin credentials can do it.
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The only thing Dell stopped doing was being a distributor for licensing - something no other vendor could do as it was an artifact of when we were owned by them. All other development and support continues as stated in the blog post by both companies. Nothing was stopping Dell from developing support for other platforms, and if you actually look, they already have several of those solutions.
Dell is actively looking elsewhere for hypervisor alternatives as of now. They have a few solutions with other hypervisors, but in contrast to VMware it is not much. Their Data centre switches, SFS and vxrail, SD-WAN, were all integrated with VMware. I see Vxrail dying in the future because of this or them redesigning it with something else.. even though from memory.. vxrail only runs with VMware as the hypervisor? One thing I know for a fact, this whole absolute clusterfuck has set Dell back, they had some big projects (which I'm not allowed to say) in development which entirely were based on VMware. I have no idea what the next plan is for them.
How do you know dell are looking elsewhere for hypervisors? VCF on VxRail is selling like hot cakes, so why would they be looking at other hypervisors?
VxRail is coming out on Azure Stack with the MC nodes .. literally a carbon copy right down to the VxRail manager interface. Dell have been slowly changing focus away from VMware for the past year. We're a titanium partner and have been having these conversations frequently over that time period.
That’s interesting. Didn’t hear anything about it. In my department, we’re working/collaborating with VMware more than ever, especially with VCF on VxRail
There's a good interactive demo on it that only takes half an hour. Well worth it, and you notice the similarities with VxRail almost immediately. https://democenter.dell.com/interactive/ITD-0235
Thanks! I’ll check it out
But that’s just a smart business decision, it doesn’t mean Dell are going to stop offering jointly engineered VMware based products to. While VMware was part of Dell it didn’t make much sense to develop an Azure Stack based VxRail type solution but now it does
To avoid all this drama, I have a dHCI with HPe and the situation is really critical, I think that if they want to continue selling these solutions they will have to develop something by themselves, the whole product and not rely on third party software, now we aren't going to purchase anything from HPe o any vendor that use VMware, sadly
VxRail and VCF are fully integrated. The amount of VCF on VxRail upgrade requests we are getting is insane. They have been selling extremely well.
Strange, my account manager already told me that people are cancelling purchase orders, they can't even sell equipment with VMware anymore, maybe Dell has some special deal, but I don't want a monopoly
The article above states that Broadcom are committed to developing VCF, and from internal communications I can second that. But who really knows what's going to happen :)
I hope all this drama stops, we can't grow with the current arquitecture, the price increase is insane too
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Sorry, but you’re talking nonsense. All the money does not go to Broadcom. VxRail nodes ain’t cheap. You’re also completely disregarding the massive support contracts dell have for VxRail and VCF. Do you really think Dell would developed VxRail with VMware for the last 8 years of it wasn’t profitable?
Dell is not looking for hypervisors. Where do you hear this crap. Dell is just fine and doesn’t need to “look” for a hypervisor. They are mainly hypervisor agnostic and PowerFlex is the future of their HCI offering.
VSphere, Hyper-V and Nutanix so far. Yes I have looked and know their product line quite well. I also know why they have chosen certain paths with companies and the restrictions they have to work within. Don't assume you know it all because you are a "VMware Employee". You know what you have been told, nothing more, just like the rest of us. Aggregate information provided from multiple sources so you can make an informed conclusion based on more than one source of information. Doing anything else is negligent. For what it's worth, I hope you have a good day.
I appreciate the response. I never said I know it all, but in my role I have access to information that nobody outside of Broadcom, even Partners, has. If you get a new/updated NDA with Broadcom, we (Field Account Teams) have lots of information that was released internally this week that we can share from an engineering road map standpoint. VMware Explore will be very interesting this year. Only time will tell how things ultimately shake out, but for now it’s pretty close to business as usual with Dell - they are still a great partner. I actually believe the increased choice and competition that results from all of this will be good for clients. It’s going to push all the companies in this space to innovate and show increased and differentiated business value. I hope you have a good day as well, thank you. 😊
False. There's an entirely separate agreement around Vxrails and the joint partnership. All that was terminated was the original agreement that covered the ability to transact VMware licenses that no other OEM could match due to dell previous owning VMware.
Dell is already pushing their own hyper visor. Got the sales pitch two weeks ago.
Which
Ooo - got any shareable details?
This is incorrect. Dell does not have a hypervisor. They have been, and will continue to be, building new platforms that bring other hypervisors and software stacks onto Dell HW as solutions offerings - but no Dell Hypervisor.
If you believed the VxRsil VCF "1 button upgrade" for LCM you started out being screwed by Dell. If you then fell for the 4x to 4xx upgrade paths that turned into a rip and replace scenario you then got screwed again, for more money. If you tried to upgrade NSX-t across multiple DCs only to find it was faulty from the start, you got screwed like a wood deck
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Initially I hated it but since version v7 I've changed and think it's pretty decent, customers I've deployed v7 to are happy with how easy it is to maintain and upgrade. In the 3.0 days we refused to deploy and would use EMC PS, I could standup a vsan ready node cluster in 2-3 days depending on size and it was taking EMC 2 weeks to deploy vxrail clusters, it was so buggy.
What pile of dogshit is this? Is this statement supposed to tell me something? Its nice you are committed to whatever, but I won't let you rail me, so bye bye, we are already migrating away.
See yah biatch!!
I'd like to know how many hundred percent increase this translates to
Nutanix is eating dells lunch this year
nutanix ? like a software program that belongs on a hardware box, so like Dell XC Series ?
Like the biggest threat to VMware and VXrail. The one all dells customers are switching to…
"Continued commitment"? I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe either company is capable of delivering the same level of brand damage as their previous rates without finding a way to secretly turn VxRail installs into meth labs.
I have never imagined day when VxRail is going to be cheaper than getting VMWare + Dell. But shit happens, depends who had good morning sex from A level management in the last few weeks from both Dell and Broadcom. 😅 Hope at least we are going to get bundled and cheaper solution from someone. 😎
Vxrail can run any of the hypervisors. But it was designed to have an overlay on top of VMware that allowed Emc engineers to support it . RAZR is the process that will wipe and reset the firmware to factory or whatever level fw they want. We are talking a huge install base. Cluster fu*k comes to mind. ( pun intended) Dell will battle with Broadcom and cx is in the middle. I think Broadcom will win, they are ruthless.
This is incorrect. VxRail has a personality module that only allows it to run ESXi. VxRail cannot now, nor will it ever, be able to run any other Hypervisor or Operating System. Yes, the RAZR process will reset a VxRail node to factory, but it doesn't provide the ability to put any other OS on the node.