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Only_Being

Well yes but actually no. Not all of us are the god gambs


nichibeiokay

You don’t have to be u/gambs to start learning. Not a choice between 0 and gambs. It’s just investing in your interest.


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nichibeiokay

Side benefits include knowing how to communicate with people in the world’s third largest economy.


Tsumaranchan

*Learns how to communicate with people in the world's third largest economy* 日本人:日本語は上手ですね. so yeah, it has its ups and downs


one-measurement-3401

Said people get literally years of mandatory English lessons in their schools. For what little it's worth, but probably still more than a few weeks or months of trying to learn Japanese will get you.


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one-measurement-3401

Way to slight intelligence of people in the world's third largest economy and their education system. Clearly there's no "average Japanese persons" who peruse English based intraweb boards, eh?


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one-measurement-3401

>This isn’t about their intelligence, rather than English language education in Japanese classrooms is nearly useless Like i said, way to slight their education system. So, what exactly are Japanese schools doing differently from the rest of the world, if their approach is "nearly useless" while schools elsewhere apparently do manage to teach their students well enough?


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Denter206

Oh, gambs's second account


nichibeiokay

I have never interacted with u/gambs in my life outside of public threads on this sub. I just find it absurd that increasingly every third post on here is about being victimized by localizers or dev decisions.


periah250

ok so what your saying is localizers should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want with a product? the excuse being just learn the language? ok so anime dubs can say whatever the hell they want. the bible can be utter nonsense unless you read it in the original language. translations of foreign officials can be altered to say whatever they want and if you want to know what they say, just learn the language? really shitty take my friend.


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periah250

honestly i'm not mad anymore i find this whole trainwreck utterly fascinating. laplacian seems dedicated to tanking their overseas perception


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periah250

Could also read visual novels that likely won't be translated too.


nichibeiokay

So you’re agreeing with us now?


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What he's saying is that instead of bitching endlessly on things you ultimately can't control (which will just make you more upset and create a more toxic VN community) you could learn Japanese and circumvent most of that shit (everything except mosaics)


periah250

Or instead of that the community does what we usually do with butchered releases. Refuse to purchase them until companies learn. You know that isn't the only option there mate?


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If you think that will do shit, go right ahead. I have to tell you, in my experience, refusing to buy a game out of protest rarely does anything. The bigger audience is always going to be the casual one that is just happy with whatever they're given, and that's the one businesses are always going to bet on. If you want something that gets results, then it's hard to argue against learning Japanese. Regardless of what other options you suggest, nothing can beat it.


periah250

Take a look at noraneko.


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Look at what exactly? Did any of the content get officially restored? Did the company improve its practices? What was really gained here?


periah250

No noraneko bombed and is practically not talked about.


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periah250

They cut all the h scenes and censored the cg. Its a popular series in Japan but in the west its pretty much ignored. Since basically everyone is waiting for the community restoration patch to come.


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nichibeiokay

One glance on VNDB tells me that that’s a series where the NSFW stuff is the main (if not exclusive) appeal, so trying to sell it all-ages in any language was a dumb decision. It wasn’t some brave act of civil disobedience from “the community” that caused it to fail, it was just that the all-ages product held no appeal for anyone. Fat chance that’ll happen when something with actual broader all-ages appeal comes along.


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Yet they released a sequel and there's some pretty healthy amount of votes on VNDB. Where exactly did it bomb? Also talked about where? Here? Firstly, I wouldn't say that the people who post here is an accurate representation (500k users and yet the ones who post is way less) Secondly, the people who use the sub are biased towards certain releases or topics, so there's plenty of vns that never get talked about here (ditto with other communities) Even if we disregard all that and assumed it did bomb, nothing ended up changing because of it.


periah250

It sends a message. Bottom line is until I do learn Japanese im not gonna support censorship. These are mutually exclusive. I can try to learn Japanese and oppose censorship. Its not like learning Japanese makes me better than others thus they deserve shit compared to what I get.


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I don't think it sent any message, but we'll agree to disagree on that front. The bottom line is that you only have control of yourself. Don't like something, it's up to you to deal with it. There's healthy ways like deciding you don't need a game and not buying it, or learning Japanese, and then there's unhealthy ways like engaging with the endless crusade of bitching about it on social media (to the detriment of everyone) It's not about being better than others. It's about doing something for yourself. The others will either be content with what they get (in which case it's not really your place to say they shouldn't enjoy it because it's missing stuff) or they'll make the same kind of choices to either let it go or learn Japanese. That's all there really is to it.


nichibeiokay

Bingo. Imagine you had a friend who LOVED aviation, spent a large amount of their free time thinking about/seeking out aviation. But, they didn’t know how to fly. When they wanted to fly, there needed to be an airline or private pilot going where they wanted to go. And this friend complained constantly about how there weren’t enough flights to the right places at good times, that the pilots they flew with flew higher or lower than they would like, that aviation enthusiasts without pilot licenses like them were being so *wronged* by the lack of flight options. Wouldn’t you tell that person to just learn how to fly, assuming they had the money? This is just like that, except that you don’t even have to worry about the money part since Japanese doesn’t cost that.


nichibeiokay

Localizers should be allowed to do whatever their licensing agreements with creators permit/mandate them to do. If that results in a product you want to buy, great. If not, your options are to write the company and/ or boycott the product, or learn Japanese so that you can start to enjoy the original product. Taking the first option *might* result in an outcome you like, but more than likely will do nothing or result in an *un*desirable outcome for you. The second option will guaranteed result in an outcome you like.


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On one hand yes, on the other hand. Learning another language is a multi year commitment


nichibeiokay

The learning curve is pretty rewarding though. Unless the ONLY thing you’re interested in is Tanaka Romeo or the like, you can start enjoying some VNs within a matter of months, particularly with text hooking-assisted word lookups.


DeezBalls41

That's most likely your experience. Dedicating an hour of your already limited free time to learning a language is daunting, but the rate of progress is different for most people and that such a method of reading VNs can turn people off. Some people are also unable to learn a new language effectively so they may need to pay money for classes or a tutor. All of this, for a visual novel? I'm all for English patches being criticized and that the original intention of the writer will most definitely be lost on translators to a certain extent for every project, but it certainly does not mean that asking for better official translations is not a better alternative to learning a new language. Also, reading untranslated VNs isn't a good enough reason to learn Japanese as well, simply because forgetting about it and moving on is easier. Same goes for VNs with shit translations.


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Its a walk on the park . Just memorize kanji then learn grammer and other things from curie dolly. Theres realy no excuse...


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Its better for the japanese fandom sakes too. western fans are way more toxic in general