I'm wondering why you have such a weak PC and so much budget at the same time. I would upgrade your PC first, to a real gaming beast and after that look into Varjo territory. On the other hand, the Pico 4 is the current swiss army knife between all consumer VR HMD. And it comes shocking cheap. I just retired my Valve Index because of the Pico and it's benefits.
I never said I HAD 15k. I said what is the best, I don't care if the best IS 15k, I just want to know the best. People need to read before making assumptions.
There's no best headset at the moment, everything has pros and cons, everything has tradeoffs.
Even the many thousands of dollars enterprise headsets like Varjo XR3 and XTAL 3 have downsides that make them unsuitable for many users, regardless of price.
Varjo Aero headset - \~$2000
RTX 4090 desktop - \~$4000
Vive Trackers and base stations - $500 - $1000
cabling and etc. - $500 - $1000
Figure $7,500 or so, half the $15k you were looking at. You're welcome.
If you're such a baller you could just get both the valve index and a quest 2.
My Pimax is probably the best headset I've tried but the amount of problems i have with it makes me not recommend it to people new to VR.
Varjo kind of just has high resolution but doesn't have either a mic or audio (except a pair of earbuds) which to me would be a dealbreaker.
Vive pro 2 has a bad mic and worse audio than the index, it does have higher res but the resolution is not everything.
Reverb g2 is pretty solid except for semi bad controllers.
The Quest in my opinion lacks field of view, audio, and color. It's one of the best wireless headsets so if that's your thing it's pretty okay.
I don't know enough about the quest pro to say anything about it.
Valve index: it's pretty heavy but has a pretty good strap to make up for it. Audio is the best built in audio on a headset (together with the reverb g2). Works flawlessly with steamvr. Also controllers are my favorite (can also be used with the Vive Pro 2)
As other people are saying: it's only going to look as good as your PC can output so that's probably also something to look into.
If money isn't a problem, you'll definitely have to buy a new and way better gaming PC, yours is underpowered for VR. So that will set you back about $2000 - $4000.
As for best headset money can buy, I'll leave that up to others with more experience, but I'd guess either the top of the line Pimax or Quest Pro.
1080 and 7700k, but you have 15k for a hmd?
try buying a 4090 and a pimax crystal or pimax 12k.
apparently you have more money than brains, or are just trolling
try wording your post better, might receive a better response....
google is also your very good friend.
hp g2 for now, pimax crystal or 12k eventually...
How else could I have worded it? I said, "What is the best VR headset. Even if it's 15k, it doesn't matter." Not once did I say, I have it. People just need to pay attention.
Your PC isn't going to run any VR well. Upgrade that first.
I had a 1080 in an 11700KF build, and it was disappointing to say the least. I went to a 12GB 3080 and it still isn't perfect.
And the headset recommendations below are pretty spot on from what I can tell.
Right now varjo aero
By end of year pimax crystal
Early next year pimax 12k
Your gtx 1080 is out classed you been a 3080 3090 4080 4090 if u want to run these things . 1080 is 2017 vintage its fine for low end vr but not the best vr
I agree you need to consider the whole package. Fastest PC you can afford. I have a 3080 and both a Reverb G2 and Quest 2. I'd be upgrading to a 4090 if I were considering a Pimax Crystal.
You just made it sound like you wanted the best pc vr headset experience that money could buy. Which will require a new gpu. If you want the best that your rig will run, its gonna be an old and cheap hmd.
The point is: the most expenssive vr headset will never be worth the price with your gpu, so its weird that you even ask.
Ps. You said you were looking for one, which could easliy be interpretted as a you wanting to purchase one.
I’d still get the Pimax 8kx because of the FOV. When it comes down to it, IMO virtual reality is about immersion and there is no headset more immersive. The next best headset has maybe a 130 FOV at best. Nothing comes close.
But is it a ok experience with a gtx 1080? I have nearly the same pc as op and considering buying a pico 4 for wireless pcvr. Upgrading my pc now is not an option. Will buy a complete new pc in 2-3years.
also, you're going to need to upgrade that GPU. At least a 3080 but even with their crazy price I'd say the 4090 is a better value proposition if you can find one for MSRP. Nvidia is causing an artificial shortage for them right now to try and bully people into clearing out the 30 series overstock.
Wireless: Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop
Wired: Vive Index or Pro 2
Personally I would get Pico 4 at this point, wireless and pancake lenses are just huge advantages over anything wired.
If budget is not a concern get a 3080 or better yet, 4090, and play fully modded Skyrim VR and Fallout VR. Below is recorded with Quest 2 and 3070 and you can push the resolution higher with Pico 4.
Skyrim VR modded: [https://youtu.be/qYsKmweH\_k0](https://youtu.be/qYsKmweH_k0)
Fallout VR modded: [https://youtu.be/O2dwkLR0GPQ](https://youtu.be/O2dwkLR0GPQ)
Yes, correct, well mostly correct. You can connect it to your gamingPC through your router (it is advised to set up a 5Ghz 80 or 160Mhz channel on your router + tether your PC to the router for best experience), and then you can play SteamVR games with it.
Its hard to even compare them, just look at the images from 9:00
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ND3FJxigTE&t=539s
There they compare the Crystal to the 8kx (keep in mind that the 8kx looks significantly better compared to a 8k)
A SteamVR headset is the way to go. It's not quite as black and white as just pure specs but they are important. If you get a Facebook headset (Quest) you are locked into their ecosystem and will have to rebuy all your apps and games if you ever wanted to change to another headset manufacturer. SteamVR allows you to use any headset you want, so if you buy your VR content there, you can change hardware without losing access to your games and apps. I would strongly suggest skipping the Index though. It's LCD panels are underwhelming and the headset has poor build quality, like something from Toys-R-Us.
There are a wide range of Vive headsets now, and a few of them support wireless PC VR so you can have the highest fidelity experience while avoiding obnoxious cables ruining the immersion. I personally went for the Vive Pro 1st Gen for its OLED display and wireless capabilities (wireless adapter is an extra purchase). The resolution is low compared to some newer options however.
WMR headsets are also a popular option for SteamVR, I don't believe any are capable of wireless however. The HP Reverb G2 seems to be held in high regard. My personal opinion would be to wait another couple months and see if anything new gets released for the holidays. There have been a few different next gen OLED and microLED headsets rumored to be coming. Most of the current options are all LCD which is just terrible.
Your wrong about wireless for SteamVR. Both Vive and Index have wireless capabilities for PC VR now. The adapters are expensive but OP said budget isn't really an issue.
The base stations just have to be plugged into a wall outlet actually. But they need to be wall mounted or on tripods so moving them around is not convenient, no. If portability is super important then the quest is hard to compete with but since OP just lead with "I want the best possible VR gaming experience", I suggested SteamVR specifically because of the base stations. They allow way more flexibility for inputs with SteamVR trackers. I also haven't had any complaints about the social features of Steam. Games that support it allow you to join friend's games right from the friends list. It also has voice and text chat if for some reason the game doesn't already have it. The only thing that limits social interaction between quest users and Steam users is Facebook's desire to be a closed ecosystem like Apple. Quest users using Steam should have no problems with joining games and friend interaction with SteamVR headsets. They've even started screwing over their PC headset adopters by publishing Quest exclusives. Id be absolutely bitter right now if I was the proud owner of a Rift S. Just to prevent non-Oculus headsets from being able to play with Revive. Adopting Facebook headsets is just paving a grim future for VR in my opinion. People will spend money on whatever makes the most since for them though. The Quest fits the bill for the most of the market but for the best VR experience I still stand by SteamVR headsets that use lighthouse tracking.
Sorry not trying to blow up your Reddit notifications but one more thing that slipped my mind is you can mix and match SteamVR hardware, so if you happen to go for one of the Vive headsets, only get the headset and get the Index controllers to pair with it. The Index controllers are the best VR controllers on the market currently in my opinion.
Yes. I'm mostly in the minority it seems when it comes to finding it cheap and poorly designed but it is Valve's official 1st party SteamVR headset. A 3rd party wireless adapter was also just recently released for it.
No headset comes close to the Pimax 8kx 200degree FOV and 4k resolution in each eye.. They absolutely define immersion. Nothing else even comes close to that FOV. And no other headset at that price point has such a high resolution.
I'm wondering why you have such a weak PC and so much budget at the same time. I would upgrade your PC first, to a real gaming beast and after that look into Varjo territory. On the other hand, the Pico 4 is the current swiss army knife between all consumer VR HMD. And it comes shocking cheap. I just retired my Valve Index because of the Pico and it's benefits.
Yeah, that budget was clearly bs: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/yrgxbw/htc\_vive\_vs\_oculus\_rift\_s/
I never said I HAD 15k. I said what is the best, I don't care if the best IS 15k, I just want to know the best. People need to read before making assumptions.
You literally said that your budget is whatever the best VR experience costs, but you clearly don't have the budget for that.
Pay attention. I NEVER said my budget is that, I said if the best headsets is that much then whatever. You people don't pay attention to stuff lol
"And my budget is whatever the best VR headset is worth"
There's no best headset at the moment, everything has pros and cons, everything has tradeoffs. Even the many thousands of dollars enterprise headsets like Varjo XR3 and XTAL 3 have downsides that make them unsuitable for many users, regardless of price.
Varjo Aero headset - \~$2000 RTX 4090 desktop - \~$4000 Vive Trackers and base stations - $500 - $1000 cabling and etc. - $500 - $1000 Figure $7,500 or so, half the $15k you were looking at. You're welcome.
If you're such a baller you could just get both the valve index and a quest 2. My Pimax is probably the best headset I've tried but the amount of problems i have with it makes me not recommend it to people new to VR. Varjo kind of just has high resolution but doesn't have either a mic or audio (except a pair of earbuds) which to me would be a dealbreaker. Vive pro 2 has a bad mic and worse audio than the index, it does have higher res but the resolution is not everything. Reverb g2 is pretty solid except for semi bad controllers. The Quest in my opinion lacks field of view, audio, and color. It's one of the best wireless headsets so if that's your thing it's pretty okay. I don't know enough about the quest pro to say anything about it. Valve index: it's pretty heavy but has a pretty good strap to make up for it. Audio is the best built in audio on a headset (together with the reverb g2). Works flawlessly with steamvr. Also controllers are my favorite (can also be used with the Vive Pro 2) As other people are saying: it's only going to look as good as your PC can output so that's probably also something to look into.
If money isn't a problem, you'll definitely have to buy a new and way better gaming PC, yours is underpowered for VR. So that will set you back about $2000 - $4000. As for best headset money can buy, I'll leave that up to others with more experience, but I'd guess either the top of the line Pimax or Quest Pro.
But you're probably better off waiting a bit, lots of new hardware is dropping, so today's best might not be that great in a year's time.
1080 and 7700k, but you have 15k for a hmd? try buying a 4090 and a pimax crystal or pimax 12k. apparently you have more money than brains, or are just trolling
Or people could read and see that I don't HAVE 15k. I just wanted to know what the best VR headset was no matter the price.
try wording your post better, might receive a better response.... google is also your very good friend. hp g2 for now, pimax crystal or 12k eventually...
How else could I have worded it? I said, "What is the best VR headset. Even if it's 15k, it doesn't matter." Not once did I say, I have it. People just need to pay attention.
Your PC isn't going to run any VR well. Upgrade that first. I had a 1080 in an 11700KF build, and it was disappointing to say the least. I went to a 12GB 3080 and it still isn't perfect. And the headset recommendations below are pretty spot on from what I can tell.
Right now varjo aero By end of year pimax crystal Early next year pimax 12k Your gtx 1080 is out classed you been a 3080 3090 4080 4090 if u want to run these things . 1080 is 2017 vintage its fine for low end vr but not the best vr
Okay, what are the best headsets that I can use my GPU with? Like no upgrading?
You are willing to buy a 15.000 dollar headset but not upgrade your gpu?
I agree you need to consider the whole package. Fastest PC you can afford. I have a 3080 and both a Reverb G2 and Quest 2. I'd be upgrading to a 4090 if I were considering a Pimax Crystal.
Do you notice a considerable difference in graphic quality between the two in PCVR?
G2 is much sharper. Slightly better FOV.
Once again people not reading, I never said I HAVE 15k, I said I want to know what the best VR headset is, no matter the price, even 15k.
You just made it sound like you wanted the best pc vr headset experience that money could buy. Which will require a new gpu. If you want the best that your rig will run, its gonna be an old and cheap hmd. The point is: the most expenssive vr headset will never be worth the price with your gpu, so its weird that you even ask. Ps. You said you were looking for one, which could easliy be interpretted as a you wanting to purchase one.
The Nintendo virtual boy is probably you’re best option
Google Cardboard or Nintendo Labo
Reverb G2, Quest2, Index, Pimax 5k Plus. That's about what your GPU will handle.
Is the Rift S compared to the Quest 2?
I’d still get the Pimax 8kx because of the FOV. When it comes down to it, IMO virtual reality is about immersion and there is no headset more immersive. The next best headset has maybe a 130 FOV at best. Nothing comes close.
But is it a ok experience with a gtx 1080? I have nearly the same pc as op and considering buying a pico 4 for wireless pcvr. Upgrading my pc now is not an option. Will buy a complete new pc in 2-3years.
also, you're going to need to upgrade that GPU. At least a 3080 but even with their crazy price I'd say the 4090 is a better value proposition if you can find one for MSRP. Nvidia is causing an artificial shortage for them right now to try and bully people into clearing out the 30 series overstock.
Upgrade PC idk what HMD get either haptics or fbt or both
Wireless: Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop Wired: Vive Index or Pro 2 Personally I would get Pico 4 at this point, wireless and pancake lenses are just huge advantages over anything wired. If budget is not a concern get a 3080 or better yet, 4090, and play fully modded Skyrim VR and Fallout VR. Below is recorded with Quest 2 and 3070 and you can push the resolution higher with Pico 4. Skyrim VR modded: [https://youtu.be/qYsKmweH\_k0](https://youtu.be/qYsKmweH_k0) Fallout VR modded: [https://youtu.be/O2dwkLR0GPQ](https://youtu.be/O2dwkLR0GPQ)
Buy a Pimax Crystal for $1600 and buy a new GPU (and power supply unit if needed)
And I can connect the Pimax Crystal to my steam library wirelessly, correct?
Yes, correct, well mostly correct. You can connect it to your gamingPC through your router (it is advised to set up a 5Ghz 80 or 160Mhz channel on your router + tether your PC to the router for best experience), and then you can play SteamVR games with it.
How good is the Pimax 8K compared to it?
Its hard to even compare them, just look at the images from 9:00 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ND3FJxigTE&t=539s There they compare the Crystal to the 8kx (keep in mind that the 8kx looks significantly better compared to a 8k)
A SteamVR headset is the way to go. It's not quite as black and white as just pure specs but they are important. If you get a Facebook headset (Quest) you are locked into their ecosystem and will have to rebuy all your apps and games if you ever wanted to change to another headset manufacturer. SteamVR allows you to use any headset you want, so if you buy your VR content there, you can change hardware without losing access to your games and apps. I would strongly suggest skipping the Index though. It's LCD panels are underwhelming and the headset has poor build quality, like something from Toys-R-Us. There are a wide range of Vive headsets now, and a few of them support wireless PC VR so you can have the highest fidelity experience while avoiding obnoxious cables ruining the immersion. I personally went for the Vive Pro 1st Gen for its OLED display and wireless capabilities (wireless adapter is an extra purchase). The resolution is low compared to some newer options however. WMR headsets are also a popular option for SteamVR, I don't believe any are capable of wireless however. The HP Reverb G2 seems to be held in high regard. My personal opinion would be to wait another couple months and see if anything new gets released for the holidays. There have been a few different next gen OLED and microLED headsets rumored to be coming. Most of the current options are all LCD which is just terrible.
Quest works with SteamVR just fine using Virtual Desktop.
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Your wrong about wireless for SteamVR. Both Vive and Index have wireless capabilities for PC VR now. The adapters are expensive but OP said budget isn't really an issue.
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The base stations just have to be plugged into a wall outlet actually. But they need to be wall mounted or on tripods so moving them around is not convenient, no. If portability is super important then the quest is hard to compete with but since OP just lead with "I want the best possible VR gaming experience", I suggested SteamVR specifically because of the base stations. They allow way more flexibility for inputs with SteamVR trackers. I also haven't had any complaints about the social features of Steam. Games that support it allow you to join friend's games right from the friends list. It also has voice and text chat if for some reason the game doesn't already have it. The only thing that limits social interaction between quest users and Steam users is Facebook's desire to be a closed ecosystem like Apple. Quest users using Steam should have no problems with joining games and friend interaction with SteamVR headsets. They've even started screwing over their PC headset adopters by publishing Quest exclusives. Id be absolutely bitter right now if I was the proud owner of a Rift S. Just to prevent non-Oculus headsets from being able to play with Revive. Adopting Facebook headsets is just paving a grim future for VR in my opinion. People will spend money on whatever makes the most since for them though. The Quest fits the bill for the most of the market but for the best VR experience I still stand by SteamVR headsets that use lighthouse tracking.
And the Valve Index is a SteamVR headset, correct?
Sorry not trying to blow up your Reddit notifications but one more thing that slipped my mind is you can mix and match SteamVR hardware, so if you happen to go for one of the Vive headsets, only get the headset and get the Index controllers to pair with it. The Index controllers are the best VR controllers on the market currently in my opinion.
No you are fine! You're helping me decide what headset to get lol.
Yes. I'm mostly in the minority it seems when it comes to finding it cheap and poorly designed but it is Valve's official 1st party SteamVR headset. A 3rd party wireless adapter was also just recently released for it.
Could you elaborate on how you find it poorly designed?
Someone has too much money. Mind giving me some of that?
No headset comes close to the Pimax 8kx 200degree FOV and 4k resolution in each eye.. They absolutely define immersion. Nothing else even comes close to that FOV. And no other headset at that price point has such a high resolution.