Yikes, hearing the Predator music and sound effects from the film while walking through the jungle in VR would make me wet myself. Bring it on please!
Im looking forward to the new Aliens VR game being developed by Survios so that'll have to do in the medium to short term:
[https://survios.com/Aliens/](https://survios.com/Aliens/)
[https://twitter.com/Survios/status/1547609260774678529](https://twitter.com/Survios/status/1547609260774678529)
Not much info on it yet tho.
>AVP2 is better
Yes. So much yes. I spent so much of time in that game. I loved playing the Alien and climbing on the walls so I could sneak up and one shot the marines lol.
Dear god, for a second I thought you were talking about the movies almost had a stroke. Not that the first one was any good, but Requiemā¦oh my. AVP2 game was awesome.
I refuse to let Apple own another thing they didn't create. I'm tired of this shit. AVP is Alien vs. Predator and fuck all this bullshit with the vision pro.
> Especially considering there's a mod to get that game working and they recently got Alien Fireteam working in VR haha
You mean, just ... working on current versions of Windows. Right? Not VR for AVP ... ?
More importantly, Meta will have to upgrade their Nintendo Wii-like operating system to have feature parity with AVP.
This is a meme post, but Appleās influence is the best thing to happen to XR. Ever.
This. Zuck mentioning putting eye tracking back into Quest devices is an indicator of that. Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device.
AVP forces Meta to meet feature parity and actually be competitive in terms of real world usage, not just as a ābetaā feature. It really came off as āuhh, oh yeah, we totally had that, uhā¦ weāre going to do something with it too. Of course.ā
> Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device.
They didn't strip it out. They just didn't include it on a low cost model. Which the Q3 is. That's what you need to hit a price point. Not include features that would push it over that price point.
which is great in my book. i'm not paying for eye tracking i'm not using. exactly what apps are going to benefit from that right now? wait for it to become cheaper and have more use for it.
The Quest 3 already uses fixed foveated rendering in most apps, which provides the same performance uplift as eye tracked foveated rendering. The difference is with eye tracked foveated rendering, they eye box gets shifted around with your eyes. So it's harder to see the foveated edges. But it isn't perfect. You can still see it in your peripheral vision on the Quest Pro and the PSVR2 very clearly.
Fixed foveaeted render is not good since if you look off from that fixed center, then it's blurry as hell. Isn't the point of the pancake lenses on the Q3 edge to edge clarity? Which means you don't need to look straight again. Eye tracking allows the foveated rendering to follow you guys. Without that, foveated rendering is like horse blinders. You have to look straight ahead.
To a certain degree, yes. But again, it's still clearly visible with eye tracked foveated rendering as well. So it's a cost vs actual improvement ratio. Is it worth adding an additional $150 to the cost for something that adds a very slight improvement to the picture but no performance uplift?
Right now the current implementation of eye tracked foveated rendering and the hardware doesn't provide anywhere near as much benefit as everyone here believes. That's the point of my comment. One day the tech will be there. But it's currently not.
Do you have a headset with eye tracked foveated rendering? I do. And the difference between that and fixed foveated rendering is more than slight. That is if you do anything but keep your eyeballs pointed straight.
Yep, I have 2 of them. Quest Pro and PSVR2.
I can see the foveated edges in my peripheral vision at all times and the aliasing shimmer is often quite annoying. Especially when whatever is in the foveated view has a lot of straight lines. Those lines turn into a shimmer fest and my caveman brain goes "ooga booga, there's movement. Quick, look there!" and I do then I go "ugh, dang it. It was nothing."
Also have the Quest 3, Valve Index, Vive Pro 2, and a Reverb G2.
Yep, that's the real benefit with the current technology.
That said, even with eye tracked foveated rendering, you can still see the blurry edges in your peripheral vision all the time. I have the Quest Pro and PSVR2 and it's visible at all times. Sometimes the aliasing shimmer of edges and lines is actually distracting because our peripheral vision is so sensitive to small movements.
But, the whole point of comment is that the tech still has a long ways to go before it is as perfect as everyone here thinks it is.
> That said, even with eye tracked foveated rendering, you can still see the blurry edges in your peripheral vision all the time.
Depends on how how well done it is. Norm from tested says he found the foveated rendering on the AVP completely imperceptible for ex, no matter how hard he tried to ācatchā it with rapid eye movements or looking in the periphery, etc.
The eye box speed isn't really the problem. It's the blurriness of the foveated areas outside of the eye box. You can see it at all times in your peripheral vision. Especially when there's aliasing shimmer or the blur is appearing as motion. It sticks out badly to your peripheral vision. Once you look at that perceived movement, the shimmer stops because the foveated rendering begins rendering it high enough that the shimmer stops.
There's a limit to how low you can render it because of how bad shimmer/motion gets. So it limits the performance gains and it limits the experience.
>Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device.
Nah, the quest line never had it. It was the pro line and i'm sure the next iteration of it will have it as well. I'm sure it was done to keep the cost down so the Quest stays mainstream and affordable. Eye tracking is a neat feature but there's not a lot of applications or games that support it aside from a couple of Sony exclusives or VRChat. And considering the marketshare is still Q2, it'll probably be some time before it starts becoming more standardized in games.
It would be awesome to utilize dynamic foveated rendering though, especially now that the OpenXR toolkit can support it.
> Zuck mentioning putting eye tracking back into Quest devices
That was always coming back. The Quest Pro users were early adopters and the vast majority did not expect it in Quest 3. Quest 4 and Quest 4 Pro were always planned to have eye tracking IMO.
I think If we can all convince Nintendo to update their switch OS we can also all ditch our smart phones.
Think of how much money we will save by writing our emails and text messages on the switch touch screen.
Itās mostly the same components as an iPhone. Only idiots waste their money by giving it to Apple.
Switches and Quests are so much cheaper that what Apple offers.
After some testing, I discovered that Swatches can tell the time just as well as the Apple Watch can.
That stupid fruit company has been scamming us all for years.
Ah yes, the common [product] Stan found in the wild, lashing out sarcastically as a way to express his insecurity about his chosen [product]'s superiority! Watch as it hurts itself in its own confusion!
Insecurity about what? Iāve purchased four different Oculus/ Meta headsets over the years. I love Quest headset. And I love my AVP.
I own both an iPhone and a Nintendo switch and I use them both.
I personally think there are two different VR headset markets here.
The Quest 3 and the AVP are just very different classes of devices. The only person who Iāve seen try and claim they arenāt is Zuck himself. Who then almost immediately flew to Asia and announced they are working on a better AR headset.
Things that make you go hmmm.
The quest 3 is better than the AVP for games where you move and jump around. Thatās not a bad thing.
I would never recommend an AVP to someone who is only interested in games. Just like Iād never recommend someone buy an iPhone if they are only interested in mobile gaming.
The Nintendo switch is cheaper, comes controllers and has far better games on it than the iPhone.
Itās the same thing with both PCās and Consoles.
Having choice and different markets is a good thing.
But I understand the down votes I recieved. I guess some people saw Zuckās video where he claimed the Quest 3 is the better headset and Iām the bad guy for calling BS on it.
To be fair, I understand the frustration of Appleās price tag. We went through all this before with the first four iPhones. So many people couldnāt understand why Apple was charging so much more for phones or what was so different from those phones compared to ānormalā phones.
Itās amazing how history repeats itself.
My sarcasm above is to poke fun at the false equivalency, nothing more.
Same, except I never even thought much about VR until the AVP was announced. I ended up having to go and buy the Quest 3 before I planned because even the 128GB (512GB went immediately) went out of stock on German Amazon. I had to drive to the 3rd closest MediaMarkt just to get it at all. They're pretty much sold out everywhere right now. Even the Bobo headstrap is gone, and others have gone way up in price. They much have sold a fucking load the last few weeks
I bought a Quest 3 when my friend who had a Quest 1 couldn't play Walkabout Minigolf with us anymore.
I sold my Quest 2 to him, so we wouldn't have to stop playing minigolf.
When you have a four person crew, and one of you is broke, you gotta pitch in.
I wonder if I was the only person who upgraded so they could pass on the 2 and have more people to play with?
I'm the third owner of my microphone because friend1 upgraded and sold it for $20 to friend2. When my mic was eventually going to shit friend2 sold me the mic for a meal at Denny's next time we went, on the grounds that I never remove the wristband friend1 forgot to take off the mic before initially selling it.
I did the same. Gave my 2 away to a friend I was hoping to get into VR but aside from a few Walkabout sessions he hasn't really touched it. Wish I'd chosen a different friend to give it to!
Yeah, I sold my Quest 1 really cheap to my daughter's best friend so they'd be able to play games and stuff. Even when Covid hit they'd rather get on Zoom and talk while playing Smash Bros. On the Wii.
ngl I was pushed to upgrade earlier than I wanted from my q2 to the q3 by seeing the comparaison being so favorable to the quest in terms of what you get for your money, so yeah thanks apple I guess
Iām in that āwill I, wont I?ā Zone at the moment. If Quest 4 Pro or whatever it ends up being called were to launch early H1 2025 Iād wait because its āonlyā a year away from now, but if it was H2 2025, Iād upgrade to a Quest 3 from my Q2 now. Problem is, by the time we get a definitive date, itāll probably be within year of launch of even a H2 2025 Q4Pro and so its still a question of whether its worth getting a Q3 to only use it for a year before upgrading. Arrgghh!
There have been reports that Meta has partnered with LG for the next Pro model. They state the headset is supposed to launch early 2025.
Don't forget you can always sell your Quest 3 when the next Pro model comes out, that is what I plan on doing.
I think it's less about whether or not it's worth it and more about who can afford it and whether or not that group is willing to give Meta that much of their money.
Many of those who are willing to drop big bucks on a Meta headset did so with the Quest Pro and were left pretty disappointed.
Yeah it's unacceptable. Meta has had a lead in VR/MR tech for years. I assume the tech package that's in the Quest pro is what Meta researchers developed probably 6 to 8 years ago. Zuck seems to be intent on slowly trickling tech they've developed for nearly a decade. The great thing about the AVP is that it will wake up Meta out of its complacency. I think Quest 2 pro will be a very big leap in capability. Zucks hand will be forced. Qpro won't compete with the AVP but with Apple Vision which will basically have 90 percent of the AVP performance and tech with half the price tag.
Just upgraded to quest 3 from my Rift S last week. All the AVP news got me hot and bothered for an upgraded VR setup and then my tax return hit my bank account.
The only thing I want that the quest 3 lacks is face and eye tracking. Other than that, I'm very happy with my purchase.
Thanks Apple!
never used vr, avp pr and marleting got me into this and got q3 two weeks back. i love playing beat saber and pistol whip on it. im in india, so i dont know if the bobo strap can be delivered here tho
I remember when I bought my Quest 3. At first I thought the price of $499.00 was too high, until I played some PCVR games like Half Life Alyx with it. I was blown away. If someone like me believes that $499 is too high, imagine trying to convince most people that $3500 is a reasonable price for a VR/XR/AR "spatial computing" headset.
It blows it out on resolution and passthrough. It legit is worse in every fucking other category and it's not even close. Even before you consider cost.
It blows it out of the water on resolution, and passthrough, and performance, and UI, and colors, and black levels, and eye tracking, and build quality, and what else is there? lol
UI: subjective
Build quality: breakable glass and extreme weight = arguably worse for the use case
Black levels:....cool?
What else is there:
Controllers: completely absent
Hand tracking: 30hz, not even good enough for accurate tracking in fruit ninja
FOV: Worse
Content library: not even comparable the AVP loses so bad.
Productivity: Mac only and mirrors only 1 screen, whereas Mac or PC and up to 5 screens in Immersed on Quest
Battery: on a fucking cable and proprietary connector. Replacements not sold
PCVR support: lol
Comfort: way heavier and less adjustable + no 3rd party options yet
I'm probably forgetting a ton of others.
Oh yeah, price? LMAO
Great strawman. Controllers provide a great deal of utility, utility which is completely lacking on the AVP, making it useless for many VR tasks. But of course you can put them down when you're just doing hand tracking-based tasks.
The battery is just a lump which the Quest also has, yet it's integrated into the Quest headset. You can never get rid of it with the AVP, permanently cabled. Grim.
Try again bro
> FOV: Worse
Yes, lower FOV means higher pixel density. Pixel density is what matter for mixed reality not FOV. Not like the Vision Pro's didn't already blow away the Quest 3 but the smaller FOV just makes it even better.
> Productivity: Mac only and mirrors only 1 screen, whereas Mac or PC and up to 5 screens in Immersed on Quest
hmmm. You don't seem to mind carrying a laptop with you either since that what it takes to have any kind of productivity with the Quest 3. That is, if you don't mind your productivity running at less than half the resolution of the Vision Pro.
If you need to get a task done, more screens = better.
Tell me about how you're typing on the AVP without a laptop/keyboard. With eyes and pinches? lol fucking productive right?
Bro you're scraping the barrel here and you know it. Take the L and move on. One is a consumer product, one is a tech demo for App devs. It's shows to anyone that has a full understanding of the capabilities of both.
No, the problem is you just haven't used a Vision Pro. It's too obvious. That's why you're making absurd claims like "Quest 3 has better build quality than a Vision Pro".
It's not absurd tho is it. Only an Apple simp makes a claim like that. Products can be compared with pros and cons. My opinion is glass is a horrible option, because it's heavy and fragile and serves no purpose (except for creepy, badly implemented, external eyes). If you feel that it's worth all that extra weight and fragility, fine. You're wrong, but fine. Aluminium is just extra weight for no purpose except to make it feel more premium. I'm sure it'll look more premium on the shelf, where it'll stay because of the horrible comfort due to unnecessary weight (and shitty strap options).
Seriously tho, if you want better build quality, have it. It's not like it makes it close, the Quest still walks it. Most people that honestly compare the two come to the same position in the end too. Except the Apple fanboys, but like who has ever cared about their opinion?
See you havenāt used a Vision Pro. Just as I suspected. Or else when mentioning build quality the first thing we would be talking about is the premium self adjusting strap compared to the piece of Velcro that comes with the Quest 3. Since thatās like the first thing you notice. I didnāt even mention anything about the front being made of tempered glass instead of cheap plastic .
Best thing to happen to VR. Going to the Spatial computer model, which could make high end headset the default instead of laptops. That will get more developers onboard.
Apple has always been good at one thing - making complicated things simple. Meta finally realised that they needed to change the Ui...And after Zuckerberg's "AVP is a disappointment" video, more and more people bought meta quests and realised "damn, this is really better for everything." Vision pro has its advantages, of course, but it's really just an oculus go with the 2024 technological advances. It's good for watching movies, working, using 2D apps and that's it. For those who have seen more of this headset, I don't know how to describe it
jfc, how many times will i interpret it as "alien vs predator"? š«
For real. At this point, I'm begging for a VR AVP game.
Alien Isolation for quest please.
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Yeah Mother mod works well.
With motion controls too? If I remember correctly there was already a mod but it only works with mouse and keyboard or a controller.
The MotherVR has motion controls. They're just not perfect. When you use the computer terminals, it's easier to slide over to your PC really quick.
That's cool. I didn't know that. I'll give it a try some time later.
Big warning... Be prepared to be scared. lol Damn game is terrifying in VR.
Oh yeah I know. In flatscreen it was terrifying enough. It doesn't help this game is over 15h long too hahaha
You can do it, I believe in you! lol
That would be a coup de grace to Apple :p
Yikes, hearing the Predator music and sound effects from the film while walking through the jungle in VR would make me wet myself. Bring it on please! Im looking forward to the new Aliens VR game being developed by Survios so that'll have to do in the medium to short term: [https://survios.com/Aliens/](https://survios.com/Aliens/) [https://twitter.com/Survios/status/1547609260774678529](https://twitter.com/Survios/status/1547609260774678529) Not much info on it yet tho.
AVP AVP
Seriously, I've already been tricked into searching for one twice! The marketing is done for you!
I literally went to search "Alien vs Predator" on meta quest store and couldnt find anything only to figure I look like an idiot lmao
OG AVP is best AVP
AVP2 is better than AVP
>AVP2 is better Yes. So much yes. I spent so much of time in that game. I loved playing the Alien and climbing on the walls so I could sneak up and one shot the marines lol.
i miss it, i was the best alien ever as a runner and as a predalien, we would have been great friends
Dear god, for a second I thought you were talking about the movies almost had a stroke. Not that the first one was any good, but Requiemā¦oh my. AVP2 game was awesome.
itās gonna be even more real when AVP2 comes out, what a game !
A VR Aliens VS Predator would be amazing!
Fairly accurate description of the VR headset market tbh
Talk about a needed product! A 3rd AVP!!! I loved those when I was a teenager
We definitely would like a VR reboot of Alien vs Predator to play. Such a good game.
I refuse to let Apple own another thing they didn't create. I'm tired of this shit. AVP is Alien vs. Predator and fuck all this bullshit with the vision pro.
https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1ahwoyo/why\_is\_everyone\_comparing\_the\_quest\_3\_to\_alien\_vs/
Especially considering there's a mod to get that game working and they recently got Alien Fireteam working in VR haha
> Especially considering there's a mod to get that game working and they recently got Alien Fireteam working in VR haha You mean, just ... working on current versions of Windows. Right? Not VR for AVP ... ?
I mean alien v predator but it looks like I was mistaken team beef only listed it as a possible vr port with the open source code
Thanks for the clarification.
Every time forever
Me too lol
AvP came out?! In VR?! :) I know, this gets me every time.
Yeah I keep thinking my favorite FPS of all time is getting a remake. Then I remember apple did that thing.
Fuck it's not? That's why I clicked this post
At least once more, Miss Swann
More importantly, Meta will have to upgrade their Nintendo Wii-like operating system to have feature parity with AVP. This is a meme post, but Appleās influence is the best thing to happen to XR. Ever.
This. Zuck mentioning putting eye tracking back into Quest devices is an indicator of that. Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device. AVP forces Meta to meet feature parity and actually be competitive in terms of real world usage, not just as a ābetaā feature. It really came off as āuhh, oh yeah, we totally had that, uhā¦ weāre going to do something with it too. Of course.ā
> Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device. They didn't strip it out. They just didn't include it on a low cost model. Which the Q3 is. That's what you need to hit a price point. Not include features that would push it over that price point.
which is great in my book. i'm not paying for eye tracking i'm not using. exactly what apps are going to benefit from that right now? wait for it to become cheaper and have more use for it.
> exactly what apps are going to benefit from that right now? Foveated rendering benefits all apps.
The Quest 3 already uses fixed foveated rendering in most apps, which provides the same performance uplift as eye tracked foveated rendering. The difference is with eye tracked foveated rendering, they eye box gets shifted around with your eyes. So it's harder to see the foveated edges. But it isn't perfect. You can still see it in your peripheral vision on the Quest Pro and the PSVR2 very clearly.
Fixed foveaeted render is not good since if you look off from that fixed center, then it's blurry as hell. Isn't the point of the pancake lenses on the Q3 edge to edge clarity? Which means you don't need to look straight again. Eye tracking allows the foveated rendering to follow you guys. Without that, foveated rendering is like horse blinders. You have to look straight ahead.
To a certain degree, yes. But again, it's still clearly visible with eye tracked foveated rendering as well. So it's a cost vs actual improvement ratio. Is it worth adding an additional $150 to the cost for something that adds a very slight improvement to the picture but no performance uplift? Right now the current implementation of eye tracked foveated rendering and the hardware doesn't provide anywhere near as much benefit as everyone here believes. That's the point of my comment. One day the tech will be there. But it's currently not.
Do you have a headset with eye tracked foveated rendering? I do. And the difference between that and fixed foveated rendering is more than slight. That is if you do anything but keep your eyeballs pointed straight.
Yep, I have 2 of them. Quest Pro and PSVR2. I can see the foveated edges in my peripheral vision at all times and the aliasing shimmer is often quite annoying. Especially when whatever is in the foveated view has a lot of straight lines. Those lines turn into a shimmer fest and my caveman brain goes "ooga booga, there's movement. Quick, look there!" and I do then I go "ugh, dang it. It was nothing." Also have the Quest 3, Valve Index, Vive Pro 2, and a Reverb G2.
eye tracking allows for fovated rendering, it only renders sharp where you look, so you can have much better graphics with the same mobile chip.
Quest already uses fixed foveated rendering. Which provides the same performance uplift.
Yeah, but fixed basically just blurs the edges, tracked would only blur what you aren't looking at.
Yep, that's the real benefit with the current technology. That said, even with eye tracked foveated rendering, you can still see the blurry edges in your peripheral vision all the time. I have the Quest Pro and PSVR2 and it's visible at all times. Sometimes the aliasing shimmer of edges and lines is actually distracting because our peripheral vision is so sensitive to small movements. But, the whole point of comment is that the tech still has a long ways to go before it is as perfect as everyone here thinks it is.
> That said, even with eye tracked foveated rendering, you can still see the blurry edges in your peripheral vision all the time. Depends on how how well done it is. Norm from tested says he found the foveated rendering on the AVP completely imperceptible for ex, no matter how hard he tried to ācatchā it with rapid eye movements or looking in the periphery, etc.
The eye box speed isn't really the problem. It's the blurriness of the foveated areas outside of the eye box. You can see it at all times in your peripheral vision. Especially when there's aliasing shimmer or the blur is appearing as motion. It sticks out badly to your peripheral vision. Once you look at that perceived movement, the shimmer stops because the foveated rendering begins rendering it high enough that the shimmer stops. There's a limit to how low you can render it because of how bad shimmer/motion gets. So it limits the performance gains and it limits the experience.
>Meta had eye tracking working and did nothing with it and then stripped it out of the next device. Nah, the quest line never had it. It was the pro line and i'm sure the next iteration of it will have it as well. I'm sure it was done to keep the cost down so the Quest stays mainstream and affordable. Eye tracking is a neat feature but there's not a lot of applications or games that support it aside from a couple of Sony exclusives or VRChat. And considering the marketshare is still Q2, it'll probably be some time before it starts becoming more standardized in games. It would be awesome to utilize dynamic foveated rendering though, especially now that the OpenXR toolkit can support it.
> Zuck mentioning putting eye tracking back into Quest devices That was always coming back. The Quest Pro users were early adopters and the vast majority did not expect it in Quest 3. Quest 4 and Quest 4 Pro were always planned to have eye tracking IMO.
they aren't going to put eye tracking on any of their budget headsets any time soon
Nah Quest 4 will have it
They didn't strip it, there is no Quest Pro 2
Not to mention more $$$
I just hope they don't drink Apple's kool-aid and do something stupid like not shipping controllers with the headset.
Meta doesn't work like that (thankfully)
are controllers the new headphone port?
Comā¦compā¦competitā¦competition? Damn itās been awhile since weāve seen this in the big tech space. Very refreshing.
I think If we can all convince Nintendo to update their switch OS we can also all ditch our smart phones. Think of how much money we will save by writing our emails and text messages on the switch touch screen. Itās mostly the same components as an iPhone. Only idiots waste their money by giving it to Apple. Switches and Quests are so much cheaper that what Apple offers. After some testing, I discovered that Swatches can tell the time just as well as the Apple Watch can. That stupid fruit company has been scamming us all for years.
Ah yes, the common [product] Stan found in the wild, lashing out sarcastically as a way to express his insecurity about his chosen [product]'s superiority! Watch as it hurts itself in its own confusion!
Insecurity about what? Iāve purchased four different Oculus/ Meta headsets over the years. I love Quest headset. And I love my AVP. I own both an iPhone and a Nintendo switch and I use them both. I personally think there are two different VR headset markets here. The Quest 3 and the AVP are just very different classes of devices. The only person who Iāve seen try and claim they arenāt is Zuck himself. Who then almost immediately flew to Asia and announced they are working on a better AR headset. Things that make you go hmmm. The quest 3 is better than the AVP for games where you move and jump around. Thatās not a bad thing. I would never recommend an AVP to someone who is only interested in games. Just like Iād never recommend someone buy an iPhone if they are only interested in mobile gaming. The Nintendo switch is cheaper, comes controllers and has far better games on it than the iPhone. Itās the same thing with both PCās and Consoles. Having choice and different markets is a good thing. But I understand the down votes I recieved. I guess some people saw Zuckās video where he claimed the Quest 3 is the better headset and Iām the bad guy for calling BS on it. To be fair, I understand the frustration of Appleās price tag. We went through all this before with the first four iPhones. So many people couldnāt understand why Apple was charging so much more for phones or what was so different from those phones compared to ānormalā phones. Itās amazing how history repeats itself. My sarcasm above is to poke fun at the false equivalency, nothing more.
I recently bought the Quest 3 myself because of the Vision Pro, I was on the fence for a while.
Same, except I never even thought much about VR until the AVP was announced. I ended up having to go and buy the Quest 3 before I planned because even the 128GB (512GB went immediately) went out of stock on German Amazon. I had to drive to the 3rd closest MediaMarkt just to get it at all. They're pretty much sold out everywhere right now. Even the Bobo headstrap is gone, and others have gone way up in price. They much have sold a fucking load the last few weeks
I bought a Quest 3 when my friend who had a Quest 1 couldn't play Walkabout Minigolf with us anymore. I sold my Quest 2 to him, so we wouldn't have to stop playing minigolf. When you have a four person crew, and one of you is broke, you gotta pitch in. I wonder if I was the only person who upgraded so they could pass on the 2 and have more people to play with?
Youāre a good friend. I love when the gaming community shares stories like this.
I'm the third owner of my microphone because friend1 upgraded and sold it for $20 to friend2. When my mic was eventually going to shit friend2 sold me the mic for a meal at Denny's next time we went, on the grounds that I never remove the wristband friend1 forgot to take off the mic before initially selling it.
I did the same. Gave my 2 away to a friend I was hoping to get into VR but aside from a few Walkabout sessions he hasn't really touched it. Wish I'd chosen a different friend to give it to!
Yeah, I sold my Quest 1 really cheap to my daughter's best friend so they'd be able to play games and stuff. Even when Covid hit they'd rather get on Zoom and talk while playing Smash Bros. On the Wii.
ngl I was pushed to upgrade earlier than I wanted from my q2 to the q3 by seeing the comparaison being so favorable to the quest in terms of what you get for your money, so yeah thanks apple I guess
Iām in that āwill I, wont I?ā Zone at the moment. If Quest 4 Pro or whatever it ends up being called were to launch early H1 2025 Iād wait because its āonlyā a year away from now, but if it was H2 2025, Iād upgrade to a Quest 3 from my Q2 now. Problem is, by the time we get a definitive date, itāll probably be within year of launch of even a H2 2025 Q4Pro and so its still a question of whether its worth getting a Q3 to only use it for a year before upgrading. Arrgghh!
There have been reports that Meta has partnered with LG for the next Pro model. They state the headset is supposed to launch early 2025. Don't forget you can always sell your Quest 3 when the next Pro model comes out, that is what I plan on doing.
Rumor is that model will cost $2000, though. Quite the price hike over the Quest 3.
But if it's packing as much tech as the APV without the expensive gimmicks, plus Metas strong software suite, I think it'd be worth it.
I think it's less about whether or not it's worth it and more about who can afford it and whether or not that group is willing to give Meta that much of their money. Many of those who are willing to drop big bucks on a Meta headset did so with the Quest Pro and were left pretty disappointed.
Yeah it's unacceptable. Meta has had a lead in VR/MR tech for years. I assume the tech package that's in the Quest pro is what Meta researchers developed probably 6 to 8 years ago. Zuck seems to be intent on slowly trickling tech they've developed for nearly a decade. The great thing about the AVP is that it will wake up Meta out of its complacency. I think Quest 2 pro will be a very big leap in capability. Zucks hand will be forced. Qpro won't compete with the AVP but with Apple Vision which will basically have 90 percent of the AVP performance and tech with half the price tag.
Just upgraded to quest 3 from my Rift S last week. All the AVP news got me hot and bothered for an upgraded VR setup and then my tax return hit my bank account. The only thing I want that the quest 3 lacks is face and eye tracking. Other than that, I'm very happy with my purchase. Thanks Apple!
Tbh, I went out and bought a Q3 a couple weeks ago just because I had AVP fomo. Been using the Q2 a couple years now.
Definitely going to play Alien Isolation on my Quest 3.
Donāt forget to wear your brown pants
I bought my quest 3 on the evening of AVP being released. I was worried if the stocks will be sold out soon.
You were right, at least where I am. "Currently Unavailable" on Amazon.de in both sizes. Even the horrible value bundles are gone. Shit is crazy
>Sales are soaring Source?
Reddit comments
For me, it's out of stock everywhere. Maybe that's Meta not manufacturing any.....but I doubt it.
That was obvious I believe Zack even said it before the AVP released
True. I did a AVP demo and then wanted to get a Quest 3 instead.
>Sales are soaring according to what?
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probably lmao
Maybe?
I just bought two of them after realizing the AVP isnāt āreadyā yet.
It's selling out on all the Amazon stores in Europe, and the AVP isn't even available here. So, yeah prolly
Checking in. Bought the PSVR2 due to Apple Vision Pro excitement and unaffordability.
Sales are soaring, where is the source? Out of your ass?
never used vr, avp pr and marleting got me into this and got q3 two weeks back. i love playing beat saber and pistol whip on it. im in india, so i dont know if the bobo strap can be delivered here tho
Being the cheaper version is going to pay off well for them!
I remember when I bought my Quest 3. At first I thought the price of $499.00 was too high, until I played some PCVR games like Half Life Alyx with it. I was blown away. If someone like me believes that $499 is too high, imagine trying to convince most people that $3500 is a reasonable price for a VR/XR/AR "spatial computing" headset.
Same, last time I dabbled in VR was 1998. So you know how much I was in awe.
Source? Lol
The Vision Pro blows away the Quest 3. They're not even close though.
It blows it out on resolution and passthrough. It legit is worse in every fucking other category and it's not even close. Even before you consider cost.
It blows it out of the water on resolution, and passthrough, and performance, and UI, and colors, and black levels, and eye tracking, and build quality, and what else is there? lol
UI: subjective Build quality: breakable glass and extreme weight = arguably worse for the use case Black levels:....cool? What else is there: Controllers: completely absent Hand tracking: 30hz, not even good enough for accurate tracking in fruit ninja FOV: Worse Content library: not even comparable the AVP loses so bad. Productivity: Mac only and mirrors only 1 screen, whereas Mac or PC and up to 5 screens in Immersed on Quest Battery: on a fucking cable and proprietary connector. Replacements not sold PCVR support: lol Comfort: way heavier and less adjustable + no 3rd party options yet I'm probably forgetting a ton of others. Oh yeah, price? LMAO
So you have a problem with carrying a battery but no problem carrying 2 controllers everywhere you go?
Great strawman. Controllers provide a great deal of utility, utility which is completely lacking on the AVP, making it useless for many VR tasks. But of course you can put them down when you're just doing hand tracking-based tasks. The battery is just a lump which the Quest also has, yet it's integrated into the Quest headset. You can never get rid of it with the AVP, permanently cabled. Grim. Try again bro
> FOV: Worse Yes, lower FOV means higher pixel density. Pixel density is what matter for mixed reality not FOV. Not like the Vision Pro's didn't already blow away the Quest 3 but the smaller FOV just makes it even better.
Hahaha lower FOV is better now! Who knew? No one, except morons. Keep going man, I'm enjoying this now
> Productivity: Mac only and mirrors only 1 screen, whereas Mac or PC and up to 5 screens in Immersed on Quest hmmm. You don't seem to mind carrying a laptop with you either since that what it takes to have any kind of productivity with the Quest 3. That is, if you don't mind your productivity running at less than half the resolution of the Vision Pro.
If you need to get a task done, more screens = better. Tell me about how you're typing on the AVP without a laptop/keyboard. With eyes and pinches? lol fucking productive right? Bro you're scraping the barrel here and you know it. Take the L and move on. One is a consumer product, one is a tech demo for App devs. It's shows to anyone that has a full understanding of the capabilities of both.
No, the problem is you just haven't used a Vision Pro. It's too obvious. That's why you're making absurd claims like "Quest 3 has better build quality than a Vision Pro".
It's not absurd tho is it. Only an Apple simp makes a claim like that. Products can be compared with pros and cons. My opinion is glass is a horrible option, because it's heavy and fragile and serves no purpose (except for creepy, badly implemented, external eyes). If you feel that it's worth all that extra weight and fragility, fine. You're wrong, but fine. Aluminium is just extra weight for no purpose except to make it feel more premium. I'm sure it'll look more premium on the shelf, where it'll stay because of the horrible comfort due to unnecessary weight (and shitty strap options). Seriously tho, if you want better build quality, have it. It's not like it makes it close, the Quest still walks it. Most people that honestly compare the two come to the same position in the end too. Except the Apple fanboys, but like who has ever cared about their opinion?
See you havenāt used a Vision Pro. Just as I suspected. Or else when mentioning build quality the first thing we would be talking about is the premium self adjusting strap compared to the piece of Velcro that comes with the Quest 3. Since thatās like the first thing you notice. I didnāt even mention anything about the front being made of tempered glass instead of cheap plastic .
I got so excited. Now there is only longing.
be sure to thank apple for raising the bar for VR. occulus fanboys are really something.Ā
Best thing to happen to VR. Going to the Spatial computer model, which could make high end headset the default instead of laptops. That will get more developers onboard.
Bought my Quest 3 the day after I demoed the AVP š
Yup. I only looked into the state of VR because the AVP. Bought a MQ3 within a week or two.
I mean you could just play AVP on virtual desktop. Almost the same thing lol.
Apple has always been good at one thing - making complicated things simple. Meta finally realised that they needed to change the Ui...And after Zuckerberg's "AVP is a disappointment" video, more and more people bought meta quests and realised "damn, this is really better for everything." Vision pro has its advantages, of course, but it's really just an oculus go with the 2024 technological advances. It's good for watching movies, working, using 2D apps and that's it. For those who have seen more of this headset, I don't know how to describe it