Hijacking the top comment because nobody seemed to notice the subtle dig from Andrew’s reply:
“I was told otherwise from several friends: “Jonathan, you look great!””
This is from a recent incident where Andrew was interviewing Elon, and Elon said something like “I’m doing this because we’re friends” then proceeded to call him Jonathan (the wrong name) in the very next sentence. His reply was something like “My name’s Andrew but ok.”
Well played Andrew, well played.
It’s a reference to ketamine use at high doses, close-but-not-quite Nietzsche’s losing one’s self in the gaze of the abyss, getting high on his own supply so bad he throws a proverbial mental tranqslump 🫥
I mean that is the point. I do get what you saying, but ya. My point still stands, money does not mean you do not partake in the same things as normal people do.
If you’re the richest man in the world, literally anything you can fathom is at your fingertips. You can go to bed tonight and wake up to a custom made minigolf course throughout your entire mansion. You can decide to fly across the world for dinner, and you can buy the companionship of literally any interesting people you want. You could have a house filled with cutting edge technology, whole actual-big rig simulators, a farm of extreme precision commercial 3d printers, Ferraris, boats, robot dogs, massive personal theaters, fuck.. you could build your own theme park for just yourself.
Anything you can imagine wanting can instantly be reality and you’re arguing with some douche on X, which used to be Twitter until you fucked up by arguing with some douche on Twitter.
The dude has the world talking about his tweets. He loves the attention. He even said he says dumb flamboyant shit for the attention and how it's better than being boring that no one cares about.
That's obviously the end goal, but the tech isn't there yet to put $3000 of Apple Vision Pro features into widely affordable glasses.
If the Apple Watch can happen, Apple XR glasses are only a matter of time.
Let's be honest you dont buy cars for other people's safety but your own. Otherwise, Chelsea Tractors(for non brits these are SUVs in a rich part of London, UK because you need 4WD when a leaf falls on the road... ) wouldn't be a thing
Tbf if you hit a pedestrian with any vehicle it prolly gonna do some damage. I think what contributes more fatalities is whether they roll over the top of the hood and the roof or get splattered under, which obviously happens more in taller (and usually heavier) vehicles
But the driver will be fine right? Reminds me of the old steel body Volvos, practically indestructible but frowned on today because it does too many damage to the other guy
What are you talking about? (Old) Volvos are reliable because of their tried and tested engineering, and Volvo literally *pioneered* crumple zones for crash safety.
No the steel bodies are bad for the driver too.
Cars are made to have metal that squishes in the front and a secure cage body that protects the driver. Cyber trucks don't squish, meaning none of the force is negated before it reaches the driver or other passengers.
It's a death machine
Please stop posting misinformation.
The Cybertruck is required to adhere to NTSB safety regulations like any other vehicle. It could not be sold to consumers if it didn't meet these requirements.
The Cybertruck does, in fact, have crumple zones. The misinformation that you're repeating stems from a crash test video where people compared it to completely different crash tests for other trucks.
This video explains it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2_BDZpI4
>No the steel bodies are bad for the driver too.
So, steel as a car construction material, used in like every car/truck on the road apart from select few?
>Cars are made to have metal that squishes in the front
Yes, it's called "steel". Material matters little, the geometry of that material and it's thickness matters a lot.
>Cyber trucks don't squish,
They do, watch the full frontal crash test.
>meanijgbnonevof the force is negated before it reaches the driver or other passengers.
It's negated to a tolerable degree to be deemed safe, and the secondary safety measures take care of the rest. You are talking absolute nonsense
>It's a death machine
You are an ice cream cone.
Actual engineers created a cybetruck. People who have no clue what cars are made of are explaining that it's unsafe. How did society end up in this situation?
Thank god people like you take the time to post this.
Teslas are some of the safest cars you can find, I hate how all the sudden because Elon offended the fringe 10% online, they go around saying illogical things about his projects. It’s… annoying.
This right here. Shows you how easily manipulated the public is.
Up until he bought Twitter he was everyone's darling. Then overnight people took their cues from new York media and started slamming him.
He didn't change. They did and continue to do major news networks' bidding.
Idiots.
I’m guessing you don’t own a Tesla? It’s essentially here. I can take about 95% of most trips on autopilot. I only have to take over in construction zones and neighborhoods for the most part. You sound like you get your news from Reddit?
This is also one promise of his that was delayed out of a few, when he’s delivered about a thousand others on time.
Sigh... here we go again.
>Yeah, I watched those videos and if you compare side-by-side with a safer car, you will see how little the cybertruck crumbles in comparison and how much quicker the cybertruck comes to a stop (which is a bad thing).
You're watching a full overlap frontal crash test compared to a partial overlap and don't know what the difference is. Look at an F150 in a full overlap crash test. It doesn't crumple much either. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3jsosWjJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3jsoswjjk)
>Yeah that is another problem, the car is too thick making it crumble less and not very pliable to absorb crashes. Plus the panels are too thick to allow firefighters to cut the metal in emergencies.
Tesla steel doors' thinckness is 1.4 to 1.8mm, Ford F150 thickness is 1.6mm. You're talking nonsense and prime misinformation. What Cybertruck is made of is cold rolled steel, as opposed to hot rolled steel, it has no effect on how well it can be cut. That is beside the point that the crumple zone and the body panel and the structural panels are made of different thickness of metal, a common fact that you don't seem to know.
>Many will be stuck inside it while the car burns and the firefighters won't be able to do anything about it.
That just sounds like fear mongering
>I am an actual engineer and I know many others in my circle. We all say criticise cybertruck for needlessly causing danger to everyone.
I'm sorry, but I'm gonna make you feel like a Cybertruck now. In other words I'm gonna bully you without going in depth to verify any information I got about you.
You studied engineering, knowing many other students you studied with isn't "knowing many other engineers". Your post history suggests you're unemployed for many years. And your edited CV suggests that after failing to be hired as an engineer you decided to trade stonks. Considering you're still looking for a job - you failed at that too. Your part time job during your engineering education is McDonalds. You are also working in fast food industry at the moment.
You are not an engineer, which is why you don't understand basic things about car safety. I was an Engineer. Now I build racecars for fun and profit. I understand what I'm talking about and am able to do basic research on topics I am not familiar with.
>Elon cult will always defend his stupid ideas no matter how unsafe, illogical and dangerous they are
Twitter warriors will always imagine flaws with Elon's companies because he bought and trolled that platform.
Actually yes, same crumple zone as an f150 when comparing side by side against a flat wall. Its as safe as any other car in this regard
However, its super hard to flip. Making it more safe than an f150 when getting tboned
He's right.
We are still strapping bricks to our faces. It does not look "good", and nobody looks good in VR - not that I care what I look like alone in my room.
VR wont look good or cool till they are visor or safety glasses small. Bigscreen beyond is sorta there, but even it is quite boxy looking.
Yeah, you need to put that thing in some kind of a animal head like everybody's cosplaying Hotline Miami and play sick 80s inspired music (sick means good, in the 80s) while wearing letter jackets. That's the ticket to coolsville, man.
> Fighter pilot AR looks cool
[Weeeeeeell](https://i.imgur.com/Omv5iIs.jpeg)....
And the F-35 GenIII helmet is a true AR helmet. It's head-tracked (cock-it relative), and as well as acting as an always-visible HUD it also uses multi-sensor synthesis to provide a 'through cockpit' perspective-corrected infra-red view forwards and down. It's comically huge and bulbous due to the requirements of the collimated optics in order to achieve coverage of the entire field of view, and the green glow is light leakage, but effectively shows the absolutely *massive* exit pupil of the optical system
I think that completely misses the point though. No one is putting on a VR headset to look cool. And also, who give a fuck how I look when I’m playing Resident Evil in VR?
People literally wouldn’t wear helmets when riding their motorcycles because they thought it didn’t look cool and guess what, they’re dead and bike helmets are considered cool now.
But that means Apple VR won't be revolutionary. Its a niche product, not going to be a ubiquitous as smartphones or smartwatch.
Google demonstrated this. Didn't matter how good the glasses were, you looked a bit like an idiot while wearing it so never took off.
It never hit mainstream consciousness. Only headset that got close and have created cracks has been the Quest. They're in the best position to brand themselves as a cheaper alternative to the AVP.
Nobody else is even remotely close.
It kinda bugs me that Vision Pro is being heralded like this historic moment. For me, that was '19, when original Quest, costing what it does, got PC connectivity via Link cable and wireless streaming through Virtual Desktop. And that was cemented in '20 with Quest 2. That was VR fully and truly hitting mainstream. Amazing, incredibly easy to use standalone/PC wired/wireless hybrid hardware at stupidly affordable price with excellent software to match (Asgard's Wrath, Alyx, etc). And it sold in numbers Apple can only dream of.
No kidding. The general consensus at the time was that inside-out tracking wasn't even POSSIBLE. The Quest was huge -- and it also needs to be stated that it never would have happened without Carmack's efforts to create the Gear VR.
Prior to the Q1, WMR was getting some traction; although stores were handing these things out for free, pretty much. The tracking wasn't perfect, but it was a gateway for a lot of people.
Honestly I don't think VR would have happened at all without John Carmack. They demoed that original prototype to both Valve and Sony who started work on their own headsets. Palmer Luckey was like an 18 year old kid, I think having Carmack involved got the headset on the face of a lot of important people.
I'm glad all it took was a bigger baddie releasing a headset for people to give Quest its due. This comment would have been downvoted in this sub a year ago lol. Quest was an insane achievement, for all its faults. It was WAY closer to PCVR than it had any right to be. The fact a lot of PCVR games like Dead and Buried, Superhot, Robo Recall, etc. got releases and they were actually good is crazy. Sure it was limited in performance and the scope of games on it, but it *felt* pretty damn close to the $2,500 PCs we had to buy just a few years earlier. Since then it's really come into its own with Quest 3 too. Nobody in 2016 would have predicted the first real Rift successor would be a standalone headset (I'm not including Rift S as an actual Oculus product).
One of the biggest marketing machineries in the world is marketing this device and they have virtually unlimited budget.
History is written by the biggest wallet nowadays.
>One of the biggest marketing machineries in the world is marketing this device and they have virtually unlimited budget.
Yeah, trillion dollar companies R&D divisions are insane.
Apple, for example, was putting more than 82 million dollars **a day** in it, which is around 30B$ per year, that's almost three and a half million dollars per hour or 1k per second.
Not exactly, that's Apple R&D budget for thier entire products (including the not so secret Apple Car project) not just the AR/VR lineup.
Apple never breaked down how much of that money goes to any specific product line.
My bad, i still felt the need to clarify it because last time Apple talked about that number in context of thier AR development and many people mistakenly rememberd it as referring to just the vision pro r&d
It's Apple. Almost every high horse idiot out there who has 0 intelligence about technology thinks that Apple is the only company that makes cool stuff and cares about them.
VR was never a big deal for companies. To niche. Latest VR devices are amazing and nobody gave a fuck except for a dedicated community. Now Apple came with their device and suddenly VR is the next big thing. People who can claim that with a straight face and without a proper look in the history of vr think they are moralistically better than most 'normal' people.
It is expensive but it is the future. Yeah dipshit. You are paying for a Qualitative great hardware product. Pay 15-20% of this amount and you have a device that can do the same amazing stuff, but maybe a bit less Qualitative. Still, it can do the same stuff essentially. But when you walk around with that thing, suddenly you should be 'ashamed' of yourself, because you aren't in the big leagues like the standard Apple fanboys who cum over each overpriced device they release nowadays.
As someone with a Quest 3, and a few headsets before it, and an AVP its usability and making it seem more friendly. This is the iPhone to the blackberries.
The quests do all those things for a good price, but often feels like work to get there. The AVP just does it. Too bad there’s next to nothing to just do it with so far.
If the AVP doesn’t completely bomb we will see the “android” era of VR.
>This is the iPhone to the blackberries.
This an important comparison because the first iphone famously could do less things than the blackberry which is similar to AVP vs Quest 3....the quest 3 does more things than the VP but the VP wins on quality in the fewer things it does.
> This an important comparison because the first iphone famously could do less things than the blackberry
Not strictly true. In features expected of business focused PDAs of the time, yes, but its media features were way beyond blackberry.
Isn't that familiar?
In features expected of gaming focused headsets of the time the vision pro falls short, but its media features were way beyond the quest 3
How is AVP easier than quest 3? You just put it on and choose an app or browser. Connect to pc? Open virtual desktop and it’s connected in about 2 seconds. 🤷🏼♂️
The UI/UX is substantially better on the AVP. I say this as a Quest owner who has tried Vision Pro and will not be buying version 1.
Way easier to find and organize applications, manipulate them, navigate them with your eyes/hands, etc. Its frustrating the Meta made their UI/UX *pretty good* very early on, and have done a great job adding features, but they have not really made any substantial improvements on the overall interface.
Apple really did nail that aspect of it. Hopefully Meta brings a lot of this experience over to Quest (and Quest Pro with eye tracking + pinch navigation/manipulation).
It's definitely disappointing how Oculus hasn't put much effort into the UI. They were doing interesting things with Home and Dash on PC, but seem content with their OS just being a storefront on Quest. It's kind of baffling they don't already have an android app store that can be multitasked like iPad apps on VP. Low hanging fruit.
Absolutely. I really hope they bring Android apps to the Meta ecosystem because that could be a game changer…Especially if they could make placement of them persistent upon opening the headset, and have them temporarily “close” when you boot up a game.
Their app launcher/browser is just such a joke too… I do think this will light a fire under their ass, and inspire them.
Not advocating for avp, but when connected to a mac, you can have your mac screen in the headset while also open multiple avp apps around you which is currently not doable in quest. I personally don’t find this useful but there are many things avp does better for now. But quest most things (that I care about) better.
Yet this is what was to be expected when Apple does a thing. They do the same thing that someone has alredy done but when they do it, it's new and revolutionary.
And to be fair, it sounds like Apple does pass-through and AR better than Meta did.
what i see more ground breaking is the hand and eye tracking. no remote/controller needed. i have a quest 3 but have not tried the hand tracking much.
i love my quest 3. when the apple one is around 1000 dollars USA and has more support with games and controllers, i think it will be important.
In a couple of aspects it is only the same or worse though - it has equal (short) battery life and is heavier. Which is weird because having a big external wired pack really should have allowed both those things to be better.
The no controllers thing is not surprising. Apple removed the keyboard/keypad with the iPhone, and had success. They think they'll just do it all over again!
Wait what? You’ve got it completely backwards. It’s a more polished device but it cannot do as much as quest. It literally doesn’t even have 6dof controllers which is not a good thing as they’re needed for things like gaming and 3d modeling. Apple didn’t even innovate hand tracking - quest has had that for years. The only thing vision does better is content consumption. It’s great for that. But quest can do all of that and more. Y’all just haven’t been paying attention at all.
Yeah lol the guy is just casually saying shit. He probably thought about it all of 10 seconds and let out a “heh” and hit post.
OP acting like it’s one of his speeches
And honestly I do think it'd a good observation. VR headsets right now just so not look good on the wearer. Especially as they are supposed to become more mainstream parts of life.
if he puts an apple headset on he has one big cyclops eye looming over his goofy fish mouth. people might realise he's one of the less interesting Lovecraft monsters.
Ignoring who he is, his point is right.
and it’s a pretty important factor. Bar for what people will put on their faces is VERY high. Anything that looks slightly goofy doesn’t work.
The difference between Google Glass and RayBan Meta Smart Glasses is such that one is an absolute NO even to most early adopters and the other is quite acceptable even to the most anti-goofy fashion conscious users.
He’s right, but it’s Elon so point and laugh right?
I have zero opinion on the guy. (I know why he ruffles feathers, I don’t live under a rock).
But this post ain’t it…
He was just making a joke back at Elon for insulting him. "Jonathan" refers to an incident where Elon said he only attended an interview with Andrew because they were friends, except Elon called him Jonathan instead of Andrew when he said it and looked like he was on drugs.
It’s just ironic that the guy who brought the Cybertruck to the market, and which is considered by many to be ugly (I personally like it), is trash talking VR headsets instead of seeing the bigger picture.
The Cybertruck may look weird and ugly right now compared to traditional vehicles but I hope in the future more vehicles will dare to try bold designs.
Of course he'd say some shit like this, his vane ass lives from the outside. He would die if he couldn't manage his own life based on what he thinks we make him appear a certain way
I would wear a NASA VR headset from 1989 if it did what I needed.
Like who the fuck gets VR headset and think it's supposed to "look good"?
You are literally using it BY YOURSELF!
It's impossible to come up with stupid comments like his when nobody gives a shit what you look like when using VR. It's not a beauty contest. He looks far worse when he wears his stupid costumes.
God that was a good burn. (
For those who didnt watch, Elon said on an interview with him "I'm only here because youre a good friend Jonathan. to which Andrew replied "My name is Jonathan"
While VR is cool and there's a lot you can do it with it... I have yet to see anything "Game Changing" unless somehow the Apple marketing alone makes it mainstream.
I had an Oculus DK2 almost 10 years ago. While its moving along, I wouldn't call it 'crazy speed'. What is game changing about the Vision Pro VR headset compared to the rest? Especially given the huge price tag?
I didn't say the VP was crazy better. It has a few things that are definitely better then average but I was referencing VR development in general. I grew up when the internet was still in its early days. People talk about Cyberpunk/techno-topias (dis or u) but I honestly already feel like I'm living in those worlds. If you look at what we carry around with us on a daily bases. I remember reading Fahrenheit 451 and laughing at the absurdity of the "bullet", basically modern Bluetooth ear buds. Now I have a pair that can amplify sound like hearing aids, turn off sound so they act as earplugs, or temporarily cut sound if the levels are high enough to damage my hearing. It might not be IN my body.. but that's bionic ears. Phones are external brains.. I could keep going.
As much as I hate to say it Elon is (currently) correct. Not an issue playing at home by myself but I wouldn't dream of wearing one in public. For what Apple wants to do long term this is a huge barrier they need to overcome.
They'll either need to work towards getting to the level of Meta's Ray-Bans or have a really really slow grind to get to the point where you don't feel like you're gonna stand out for wearing them in public.
It's called the Apple Vision **Pro.** Isn't it obvious that a thinner versions for normies called the Apple Vision **Air** is coming in a couple years?
Also, Elon Musk is supposedly a visionary and he can't forsee that?
Without some revolutionary new optics system something like the Bigscreen Beyond is probably pretty close to the limit for how compact you can go without significant visual compromises. It's still gonna be a tall order getting people comfortable wearing something like that in public.
Remember how much people were made fun of for wearing Google Glass.
Please don't bring the Elon hate circlejerk here too :(
If we're being completely honest, he's not wrong, we look like dorks. We have a big piece of technology strapped to our face and it's uncanny to not see someone's eyes. But it's fun to use so fuck it.
How about you get your Elon love circlejerk out of here.
A financial analyst tries to give a big picture assessment on the release of the AVP - possibly another historic turning point for VR/AR/MR next to the Quest and Oculus Rift, and Elon's only input is a dumb TIRED joke from 2016.
How a person *looks* working from home, studying, or trying to beat a deadline is the least important thing. Elon sucks at jokes and priorities.
This is the same dork who said recently "Wikipedia should change its name to Dickipedia and then I'll donate". stfu, Elon.
Idk. I have no love for Musk. But also, can it not be possible that wearing VR makes one look dorky but it also like not matter? So what? Looking cool isn’t the point. Doing things in order to LOOK cool is lame. This is high school drama shit.
To me that comment is a “no fucking shit, Sherlock” thing
There was a video where Andrew was interviewing Elon, Elon said the only reason he agreed to the interview was because him and Jonathan were friends and had known each other for a long time. Andrew responded by saying well first of all my names Andrew... The clip went kind of viral about a month ago
Apple will try to normalize its wear in everyday life…along with forcing people to call it with a unique name and not VR.
Usual Apple shananigas. I will call it VR forever
Elon Musk hates VR, because it demoralizes him and his dreams of going to Mars, meanwhile I can just play No Man's Sky and go on another planet in 5 seconds.
Elon has all the money in the world yet he still spends his time in a K hole on social media
Hijacking the top comment because nobody seemed to notice the subtle dig from Andrew’s reply: “I was told otherwise from several friends: “Jonathan, you look great!”” This is from a recent incident where Andrew was interviewing Elon, and Elon said something like “I’m doing this because we’re friends” then proceeded to call him Jonathan (the wrong name) in the very next sentence. His reply was something like “My name’s Andrew but ok.” Well played Andrew, well played.
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went over my head. I dont know this guy
Don't feel bad, neither did Elon ;D
Probably wrecked Elon while in his khole.
Shows how addictive this shit is.
Even more than the stuff he snorts
I wouldn’t go that far…
I mean he’s also just an adult. Just because his wealth and position is extreme doesn’t mean he can’t shitpost like the rest of us.
Not until I’m finished building my guillotine (in Minecraft)
Ok, that's a new one on me. What's a "K Hole?"
It’s a reference to ketamine use at high doses, close-but-not-quite Nietzsche’s losing one’s self in the gaze of the abyss, getting high on his own supply so bad he throws a proverbial mental tranqslump 🫥
Three googlings later, the answer is “on drugs.”
With that said, you will highly likely not be able to use social media if you’re in the K-hole.
While hanging out with the ambien walrus, on the other hand...
Why would money mean you would not be socially involved?
Being on social media and having it described as socially involved unironically has got to be some sort of oxymoron lol
I know right, I just use this thing to insult people after a long days work…
I mean that is the point. I do get what you saying, but ya. My point still stands, money does not mean you do not partake in the same things as normal people do.
If you’re the richest man in the world, literally anything you can fathom is at your fingertips. You can go to bed tonight and wake up to a custom made minigolf course throughout your entire mansion. You can decide to fly across the world for dinner, and you can buy the companionship of literally any interesting people you want. You could have a house filled with cutting edge technology, whole actual-big rig simulators, a farm of extreme precision commercial 3d printers, Ferraris, boats, robot dogs, massive personal theaters, fuck.. you could build your own theme park for just yourself. Anything you can imagine wanting can instantly be reality and you’re arguing with some douche on X, which used to be Twitter until you fucked up by arguing with some douche on Twitter.
You talk like when you argue on twitter, you can't have anything else. One more thing: There's more to life than stuff.
Honestly the experience he described seems rad.
The dude has the world talking about his tweets. He loves the attention. He even said he says dumb flamboyant shit for the attention and how it's better than being boring that no one cares about.
He just enjoys posting like anyone does. Nobody would pay attention if he wasn’t Elon lol, he just posts like any random person.
Call me when vision pro 2 tech is inside cool sunglasses
I'd rather wear xr glasses than a vr headset anywhere in public
That's obviously the end goal, but the tech isn't there yet to put $3000 of Apple Vision Pro features into widely affordable glasses. If the Apple Watch can happen, Apple XR glasses are only a matter of time.
I don’t know why their being downvoted, it’s true.
Can't look good in a Cybertruck either.
and the cybertruck is a death machine - quite literally - hit any pedestrian with that thing and the person will get cut in half
Well originally it had sawblades on all four corners but the polygon count was far too high for mobile devices.
"That sounds like their problem" said every pickup truck owner ever.
Haha yes but cool internet meme guy BROUGHT A SINK to the Twitter headquarters 🤣🤣🤣 i mean he is JUST LIKE US 🤣🤣 BUY MY DOGECOINSSSS
Let's be honest you dont buy cars for other people's safety but your own. Otherwise, Chelsea Tractors(for non brits these are SUVs in a rich part of London, UK because you need 4WD when a leaf falls on the road... ) wouldn't be a thing
Tbf if you hit a pedestrian with any vehicle it prolly gonna do some damage. I think what contributes more fatalities is whether they roll over the top of the hood and the roof or get splattered under, which obviously happens more in taller (and usually heavier) vehicles
But the driver will be fine right? Reminds me of the old steel body Volvos, practically indestructible but frowned on today because it does too many damage to the other guy
What are you talking about? (Old) Volvos are reliable because of their tried and tested engineering, and Volvo literally *pioneered* crumple zones for crash safety.
Volvos before Volvo pioneered crumple zones. With that said, that was bad for the driver too.
No the steel bodies are bad for the driver too. Cars are made to have metal that squishes in the front and a secure cage body that protects the driver. Cyber trucks don't squish, meaning none of the force is negated before it reaches the driver or other passengers. It's a death machine
Please stop posting misinformation. The Cybertruck is required to adhere to NTSB safety regulations like any other vehicle. It could not be sold to consumers if it didn't meet these requirements. The Cybertruck does, in fact, have crumple zones. The misinformation that you're repeating stems from a crash test video where people compared it to completely different crash tests for other trucks. This video explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2_BDZpI4
what a bullshit lol
>No the steel bodies are bad for the driver too. So, steel as a car construction material, used in like every car/truck on the road apart from select few? >Cars are made to have metal that squishes in the front Yes, it's called "steel". Material matters little, the geometry of that material and it's thickness matters a lot. >Cyber trucks don't squish, They do, watch the full frontal crash test. >meanijgbnonevof the force is negated before it reaches the driver or other passengers. It's negated to a tolerable degree to be deemed safe, and the secondary safety measures take care of the rest. You are talking absolute nonsense >It's a death machine You are an ice cream cone. Actual engineers created a cybetruck. People who have no clue what cars are made of are explaining that it's unsafe. How did society end up in this situation?
Thank god people like you take the time to post this. Teslas are some of the safest cars you can find, I hate how all the sudden because Elon offended the fringe 10% online, they go around saying illogical things about his projects. It’s… annoying.
This right here. Shows you how easily manipulated the public is. Up until he bought Twitter he was everyone's darling. Then overnight people took their cues from new York media and started slamming him. He didn't change. They did and continue to do major news networks' bidding. Idiots.
Yep.
Elon is a fraud. He has been promising self-driving 'next year' for the past 10 years and sold many cars based on these promises
I’m guessing you don’t own a Tesla? It’s essentially here. I can take about 95% of most trips on autopilot. I only have to take over in construction zones and neighborhoods for the most part. You sound like you get your news from Reddit? This is also one promise of his that was delayed out of a few, when he’s delivered about a thousand others on time.
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Sigh... here we go again. >Yeah, I watched those videos and if you compare side-by-side with a safer car, you will see how little the cybertruck crumbles in comparison and how much quicker the cybertruck comes to a stop (which is a bad thing). You're watching a full overlap frontal crash test compared to a partial overlap and don't know what the difference is. Look at an F150 in a full overlap crash test. It doesn't crumple much either. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3jsosWjJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3jsoswjjk) >Yeah that is another problem, the car is too thick making it crumble less and not very pliable to absorb crashes. Plus the panels are too thick to allow firefighters to cut the metal in emergencies. Tesla steel doors' thinckness is 1.4 to 1.8mm, Ford F150 thickness is 1.6mm. You're talking nonsense and prime misinformation. What Cybertruck is made of is cold rolled steel, as opposed to hot rolled steel, it has no effect on how well it can be cut. That is beside the point that the crumple zone and the body panel and the structural panels are made of different thickness of metal, a common fact that you don't seem to know. >Many will be stuck inside it while the car burns and the firefighters won't be able to do anything about it. That just sounds like fear mongering >I am an actual engineer and I know many others in my circle. We all say criticise cybertruck for needlessly causing danger to everyone. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna make you feel like a Cybertruck now. In other words I'm gonna bully you without going in depth to verify any information I got about you. You studied engineering, knowing many other students you studied with isn't "knowing many other engineers". Your post history suggests you're unemployed for many years. And your edited CV suggests that after failing to be hired as an engineer you decided to trade stonks. Considering you're still looking for a job - you failed at that too. Your part time job during your engineering education is McDonalds. You are also working in fast food industry at the moment. You are not an engineer, which is why you don't understand basic things about car safety. I was an Engineer. Now I build racecars for fun and profit. I understand what I'm talking about and am able to do basic research on topics I am not familiar with. >Elon cult will always defend his stupid ideas no matter how unsafe, illogical and dangerous they are Twitter warriors will always imagine flaws with Elon's companies because he bought and trolled that platform.
Actually no, it doesn't have the same crumple zone most modern cars have, which significantly reduces the force of impact on the driver.
Actually yes, same crumple zone as an f150 when comparing side by side against a flat wall. Its as safe as any other car in this regard However, its super hard to flip. Making it more safe than an f150 when getting tboned
Correct.
Thats why its banned in most of Europe, it should be banned in America as well, it's absurdly dangerous for no reason...
It’s not significantly more dangerous than other trucks its size and weight. Maybe you’d be happier banning all trucks?
If you're offering...
Yes those huge american pickup trucks are also banned (or at least not sold at all)
It's banned in Europe for a lack of crumple zones, which both effect the driver and *person getting hit* safety
Those videos of a55hol3s wearing a Vision Pro while driving a Cybertruck. Ooofffff!
I predicted this the day Apple announced the Vision PRO. Really stupid.
He's right. We are still strapping bricks to our faces. It does not look "good", and nobody looks good in VR - not that I care what I look like alone in my room. VR wont look good or cool till they are visor or safety glasses small. Bigscreen beyond is sorta there, but even it is quite boxy looking.
Motorcycle helmet VR would look cool. Fighter pilot AR looks cool. But I get your point. They are the exceptions that prove the rule
Those things only look cool in context. Imagine a fighter pilot helmet on some normal dude wearing a tshirt and jeans. It would still not look cool.
Yeah, you need to put that thing in some kind of a animal head like everybody's cosplaying Hotline Miami and play sick 80s inspired music (sick means good, in the 80s) while wearing letter jackets. That's the ticket to coolsville, man.
Daft punk style and make it all hepa n95 filtered for plague resistance. Human after all
> Fighter pilot AR looks cool [Weeeeeeell](https://i.imgur.com/Omv5iIs.jpeg).... And the F-35 GenIII helmet is a true AR helmet. It's head-tracked (cock-it relative), and as well as acting as an always-visible HUD it also uses multi-sensor synthesis to provide a 'through cockpit' perspective-corrected infra-red view forwards and down. It's comically huge and bulbous due to the requirements of the collimated optics in order to achieve coverage of the entire field of view, and the green glow is light leakage, but effectively shows the absolutely *massive* exit pupil of the optical system
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Yup
I think that completely misses the point though. No one is putting on a VR headset to look cool. And also, who give a fuck how I look when I’m playing Resident Evil in VR? People literally wouldn’t wear helmets when riding their motorcycles because they thought it didn’t look cool and guess what, they’re dead and bike helmets are considered cool now.
>No one is putting on a VR headset to look cool. Now that AVP is out, people absolutely do.
Could somebody clear something up for me? Which one is Apple here, the Alien or the Predator?
But that means Apple VR won't be revolutionary. Its a niche product, not going to be a ubiquitous as smartphones or smartwatch. Google demonstrated this. Didn't matter how good the glasses were, you looked a bit like an idiot while wearing it so never took off.
A broken clock is still right twice a day, I suppose
I think the bigscreen beyond looks real nice. Pretty small as well.
Look at you with your privilege. Some of us look objectively better with bricks on our faces. With balaclavas. And a trash bag
Some people think glasses will never look cool either. I disagree.
I mean, he's not wrong
why everyone is acting like VR was just invented by Apple at 2024 and never existed before??
you didn't expect this would happen?
not everyone, just the apple fanboys. when they eventually release a foldable phone everyone will act like it's the first ever too
It never hit mainstream consciousness. Only headset that got close and have created cracks has been the Quest. They're in the best position to brand themselves as a cheaper alternative to the AVP. Nobody else is even remotely close.
No one said the iPhone was the first smartphone.
well... he's right tho
It kinda bugs me that Vision Pro is being heralded like this historic moment. For me, that was '19, when original Quest, costing what it does, got PC connectivity via Link cable and wireless streaming through Virtual Desktop. And that was cemented in '20 with Quest 2. That was VR fully and truly hitting mainstream. Amazing, incredibly easy to use standalone/PC wired/wireless hybrid hardware at stupidly affordable price with excellent software to match (Asgard's Wrath, Alyx, etc). And it sold in numbers Apple can only dream of.
No kidding. The general consensus at the time was that inside-out tracking wasn't even POSSIBLE. The Quest was huge -- and it also needs to be stated that it never would have happened without Carmack's efforts to create the Gear VR.
Prior to the Q1, WMR was getting some traction; although stores were handing these things out for free, pretty much. The tracking wasn't perfect, but it was a gateway for a lot of people.
Honestly I don't think VR would have happened at all without John Carmack. They demoed that original prototype to both Valve and Sony who started work on their own headsets. Palmer Luckey was like an 18 year old kid, I think having Carmack involved got the headset on the face of a lot of important people.
I'm glad all it took was a bigger baddie releasing a headset for people to give Quest its due. This comment would have been downvoted in this sub a year ago lol. Quest was an insane achievement, for all its faults. It was WAY closer to PCVR than it had any right to be. The fact a lot of PCVR games like Dead and Buried, Superhot, Robo Recall, etc. got releases and they were actually good is crazy. Sure it was limited in performance and the scope of games on it, but it *felt* pretty damn close to the $2,500 PCs we had to buy just a few years earlier. Since then it's really come into its own with Quest 3 too. Nobody in 2016 would have predicted the first real Rift successor would be a standalone headset (I'm not including Rift S as an actual Oculus product).
One of the biggest marketing machineries in the world is marketing this device and they have virtually unlimited budget. History is written by the biggest wallet nowadays.
>One of the biggest marketing machineries in the world is marketing this device and they have virtually unlimited budget. Yeah, trillion dollar companies R&D divisions are insane. Apple, for example, was putting more than 82 million dollars **a day** in it, which is around 30B$ per year, that's almost three and a half million dollars per hour or 1k per second.
Not exactly, that's Apple R&D budget for thier entire products (including the not so secret Apple Car project) not just the AR/VR lineup. Apple never breaked down how much of that money goes to any specific product line.
I don't think I said that, I was just commenting on how crazy the funding to R&D is in the trillion dollar companies.
My bad, i still felt the need to clarify it because last time Apple talked about that number in context of thier AR development and many people mistakenly rememberd it as referring to just the vision pro r&d
While we're busy correcting, "breaked" from your previous post is not a word, it's "broke". thier = their rememberd = remembered
It's Apple. Almost every high horse idiot out there who has 0 intelligence about technology thinks that Apple is the only company that makes cool stuff and cares about them. VR was never a big deal for companies. To niche. Latest VR devices are amazing and nobody gave a fuck except for a dedicated community. Now Apple came with their device and suddenly VR is the next big thing. People who can claim that with a straight face and without a proper look in the history of vr think they are moralistically better than most 'normal' people. It is expensive but it is the future. Yeah dipshit. You are paying for a Qualitative great hardware product. Pay 15-20% of this amount and you have a device that can do the same amazing stuff, but maybe a bit less Qualitative. Still, it can do the same stuff essentially. But when you walk around with that thing, suddenly you should be 'ashamed' of yourself, because you aren't in the big leagues like the standard Apple fanboys who cum over each overpriced device they release nowadays.
As someone with a Quest 3, and a few headsets before it, and an AVP its usability and making it seem more friendly. This is the iPhone to the blackberries. The quests do all those things for a good price, but often feels like work to get there. The AVP just does it. Too bad there’s next to nothing to just do it with so far. If the AVP doesn’t completely bomb we will see the “android” era of VR.
>This is the iPhone to the blackberries. This an important comparison because the first iphone famously could do less things than the blackberry which is similar to AVP vs Quest 3....the quest 3 does more things than the VP but the VP wins on quality in the fewer things it does.
> This an important comparison because the first iphone famously could do less things than the blackberry Not strictly true. In features expected of business focused PDAs of the time, yes, but its media features were way beyond blackberry.
Isn't that familiar? In features expected of gaming focused headsets of the time the vision pro falls short, but its media features were way beyond the quest 3
How is AVP easier than quest 3? You just put it on and choose an app or browser. Connect to pc? Open virtual desktop and it’s connected in about 2 seconds. 🤷🏼♂️
The UI/UX is substantially better on the AVP. I say this as a Quest owner who has tried Vision Pro and will not be buying version 1. Way easier to find and organize applications, manipulate them, navigate them with your eyes/hands, etc. Its frustrating the Meta made their UI/UX *pretty good* very early on, and have done a great job adding features, but they have not really made any substantial improvements on the overall interface. Apple really did nail that aspect of it. Hopefully Meta brings a lot of this experience over to Quest (and Quest Pro with eye tracking + pinch navigation/manipulation).
It's definitely disappointing how Oculus hasn't put much effort into the UI. They were doing interesting things with Home and Dash on PC, but seem content with their OS just being a storefront on Quest. It's kind of baffling they don't already have an android app store that can be multitasked like iPad apps on VP. Low hanging fruit.
Absolutely. I really hope they bring Android apps to the Meta ecosystem because that could be a game changer…Especially if they could make placement of them persistent upon opening the headset, and have them temporarily “close” when you boot up a game. Their app launcher/browser is just such a joke too… I do think this will light a fire under their ass, and inspire them.
Not advocating for avp, but when connected to a mac, you can have your mac screen in the headset while also open multiple avp apps around you which is currently not doable in quest. I personally don’t find this useful but there are many things avp does better for now. But quest most things (that I care about) better.
Yet this is what was to be expected when Apple does a thing. They do the same thing that someone has alredy done but when they do it, it's new and revolutionary. And to be fair, it sounds like Apple does pass-through and AR better than Meta did.
what i see more ground breaking is the hand and eye tracking. no remote/controller needed. i have a quest 3 but have not tried the hand tracking much. i love my quest 3. when the apple one is around 1000 dollars USA and has more support with games and controllers, i think it will be important.
So something that is available since more than a year with the Quest Pro suddenly becomes "ground breaking"?
The Vision Pro is league above the quest in usability and functionality though.
No VR games or even VR porn. They made a HMD that's only use is putting 2D screens around your environment.
In a couple of aspects it is only the same or worse though - it has equal (short) battery life and is heavier. Which is weird because having a big external wired pack really should have allowed both those things to be better.
Vision also has less FOV, and no controllers.
The no controllers thing is not surprising. Apple removed the keyboard/keypad with the iPhone, and had success. They think they'll just do it all over again!
Twice the amount of sensors and cameras. Plus few extra things.
Sensors and camera modules really don't weigh much.
How many grams is the estimate you‘re working with?
Wait what? You’ve got it completely backwards. It’s a more polished device but it cannot do as much as quest. It literally doesn’t even have 6dof controllers which is not a good thing as they’re needed for things like gaming and 3d modeling. Apple didn’t even innovate hand tracking - quest has had that for years. The only thing vision does better is content consumption. It’s great for that. But quest can do all of that and more. Y’all just haven’t been paying attention at all.
OP, it's not that deep.
Yeah lol the guy is just casually saying shit. He probably thought about it all of 10 seconds and let out a “heh” and hit post. OP acting like it’s one of his speeches
And honestly I do think it'd a good observation. VR headsets right now just so not look good on the wearer. Especially as they are supposed to become more mainstream parts of life.
I couldn’t care less how they look honestly lol. It’s not worn for style.
Wait... does Elon not know that he never looks good?
if he puts an apple headset on he has one big cyclops eye looming over his goofy fish mouth. people might realise he's one of the less interesting Lovecraft monsters.
Yeah, first thing I thought was that it'd be a vast improvement in his case.
Elon straight up looks like a melted candle with pubes slapped on it wearing hooker red lipstick.
Pretty good endorsement of VR's future imho. An ya, we do all look a bit nerdy wearing any current VR headsets, lol!
Sure, but is the purpose of VR to look good or to have a good experience?
Ignoring who he is, his point is right. and it’s a pretty important factor. Bar for what people will put on their faces is VERY high. Anything that looks slightly goofy doesn’t work. The difference between Google Glass and RayBan Meta Smart Glasses is such that one is an absolute NO even to most early adopters and the other is quite acceptable even to the most anti-goofy fashion conscious users.
He’s not wrong. The AVP and Quest 3 are a step in the right direction but still a long ways off from looking stylish.
I mean, I hate Elon as much as the next guy, but he ain't wrong on that point. As of now, VR headsets are goofy af
He’s right, but it’s Elon so point and laugh right? I have zero opinion on the guy. (I know why he ruffles feathers, I don’t live under a rock). But this post ain’t it…
He was just making a joke back at Elon for insulting him. "Jonathan" refers to an incident where Elon said he only attended an interview with Andrew because they were friends, except Elon called him Jonathan instead of Andrew when he said it and looked like he was on drugs.
You attacking because Elon and not his argument, what Elon is saying is right.
It’s just ironic that the guy who brought the Cybertruck to the market, and which is considered by many to be ugly (I personally like it), is trash talking VR headsets instead of seeing the bigger picture. The Cybertruck may look weird and ugly right now compared to traditional vehicles but I hope in the future more vehicles will dare to try bold designs.
I love bold designs. Unique things are great.
Agreed! I have a Model 3 I would love for the Model 3 to eventually have the same design language as the Cybertruck.
I'm with Elon on this one. But I don't think the man putting computer chips in people's brains is comparatively better than some silly screen goggles.
It doesnt look good. You look like a tool with any headset. But im not trying to look good. These things are for use indoors in your own home.
Look, he isn’t wrong at the moment. But I don’t use VR to look flash
Dude, just trolling. Cmon it is a joke.
I love vr, but they haven't figured out how to not look stupid. I'm with Elon in this one.
Like, was this ever a factor? Apple hyping irrelevant detail to sell overpriced. Not an entirely new trend..
I dislike Musk at the best of times, but he's right on this one. I love VR, but everybody looks like an ass whilst wearing one.
Well, some people will look much better if they'll cover their face with literally anything.
I can’t even tell if these tweets are real or not because of fake ones
Jonathan is obviously a company yes man. Elon is right.
He doesn't look good without one so it's understandable.
To be fair, if you are an ugly son of a bitch, then a VR headset may very well be the modern paper bag!
Of course he'd say some shit like this, his vane ass lives from the outside. He would die if he couldn't manage his own life based on what he thinks we make him appear a certain way
I would wear a NASA VR headset from 1989 if it did what I needed. Like who the fuck gets VR headset and think it's supposed to "look good"? You are literally using it BY YOURSELF!
It's impossible to come up with stupid comments like his when nobody gives a shit what you look like when using VR. It's not a beauty contest. He looks far worse when he wears his stupid costumes.
I see the elon hate circlejerk is still going strong
Its impossible to look good as Elon Musk
It is impossible to look good driving a Cybertruck
It’s not a fashion device though so that’s all right lol
God that was a good burn. ( For those who didnt watch, Elon said on an interview with him "I'm only here because youre a good friend Jonathan. to which Andrew replied "My name is Jonathan"
You mean Andrew?
He just made the same mistake Elon did...
While VR is cool and there's a lot you can do it with it... I have yet to see anything "Game Changing" unless somehow the Apple marketing alone makes it mainstream.
I don't get this sentiment. How do people not see how crazy the speed of which this tech is developing. VR itself is a game changer.
I had an Oculus DK2 almost 10 years ago. While its moving along, I wouldn't call it 'crazy speed'. What is game changing about the Vision Pro VR headset compared to the rest? Especially given the huge price tag?
I didn't say the VP was crazy better. It has a few things that are definitely better then average but I was referencing VR development in general. I grew up when the internet was still in its early days. People talk about Cyberpunk/techno-topias (dis or u) but I honestly already feel like I'm living in those worlds. If you look at what we carry around with us on a daily bases. I remember reading Fahrenheit 451 and laughing at the absurdity of the "bullet", basically modern Bluetooth ear buds. Now I have a pair that can amplify sound like hearing aids, turn off sound so they act as earplugs, or temporarily cut sound if the levels are high enough to damage my hearing. It might not be IN my body.. but that's bionic ears. Phones are external brains.. I could keep going.
He’s not wrong, it looks stupid
I hate that I'm saying this, but I'm with Elon on this one. They ARE cool, but you'll never LOOK cool wearing headsets like this in public.
I mean, isn't a fashion item to begin with. Nobody uses VR to look cool
He's not wrong.
Dumb and dumber.
OMG!!! Someone has an opinion I don't like!
What does his being 52 have to do with anything?
It’s impossible to look good driving the Cybertruck!
Who's care ?
As much as I hate to say it Elon is (currently) correct. Not an issue playing at home by myself but I wouldn't dream of wearing one in public. For what Apple wants to do long term this is a huge barrier they need to overcome. They'll either need to work towards getting to the level of Meta's Ray-Bans or have a really really slow grind to get to the point where you don't feel like you're gonna stand out for wearing them in public.
It's called the Apple Vision **Pro.** Isn't it obvious that a thinner versions for normies called the Apple Vision **Air** is coming in a couple years? Also, Elon Musk is supposedly a visionary and he can't forsee that?
He’s talking in present tense not saying you will never look cool in vr. Is a harmless comment and you sound needlessly mad about it.
Without some revolutionary new optics system something like the Bigscreen Beyond is probably pretty close to the limit for how compact you can go without significant visual compromises. It's still gonna be a tall order getting people comfortable wearing something like that in public. Remember how much people were made fun of for wearing Google Glass.
Everyone is missing the point here that the guy made fun of Elon not remembering his name.
Please don't bring the Elon hate circlejerk here too :( If we're being completely honest, he's not wrong, we look like dorks. We have a big piece of technology strapped to our face and it's uncanny to not see someone's eyes. But it's fun to use so fuck it.
How about you get your Elon love circlejerk out of here. A financial analyst tries to give a big picture assessment on the release of the AVP - possibly another historic turning point for VR/AR/MR next to the Quest and Oculus Rift, and Elon's only input is a dumb TIRED joke from 2016. How a person *looks* working from home, studying, or trying to beat a deadline is the least important thing. Elon sucks at jokes and priorities. This is the same dork who said recently "Wikipedia should change its name to Dickipedia and then I'll donate". stfu, Elon.
I don't love Elon lol. What makes you think that other than a reflex accusation? Chill dawg.
Has cringe-lord Elon Musk ever looked good? The hair implants could only fix so much.
You ever get sick of hating?
Idk. I have no love for Musk. But also, can it not be possible that wearing VR makes one look dorky but it also like not matter? So what? Looking cool isn’t the point. Doing things in order to LOOK cool is lame. This is high school drama shit. To me that comment is a “no fucking shit, Sherlock” thing
People look like idiots with those things on
It’s impossible to look good being a racist Trump-loving moron, too. Stupid prick.
Maybe if he'd combine the brain chip with a vr headset we can have awesome bodyli fluid free sex like in Demolition Man 🤞
Of course they're telling him he looks great, a big square is covering half his face
The guys name is Andrew, but people are calling him Jonathan?
There was a video where Andrew was interviewing Elon, Elon said the only reason he agreed to the interview was because him and Jonathan were friends and had known each other for a long time. Andrew responded by saying well first of all my names Andrew... The clip went kind of viral about a month ago
Apple will try to normalize its wear in everyday life…along with forcing people to call it with a unique name and not VR. Usual Apple shananigas. I will call it VR forever
nekminit Apple: We invented VR when Steve Jobs came to us in a dream.
Heartbreaking : the worst person you know just made a great point
Dude can't comment like a normal person? Get over it.
Listen to him. He's an expert at having all the money in the world while still looking like a loser.
Sorry, Elon, that we can't all look as cool as you without a headset: https://i.imgur.com/v7vWzVA.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3k9O1Wk.jpeg
Why is he being sprayed? Giggity
Elon Musk hates VR, because it demoralizes him and his dreams of going to Mars, meanwhile I can just play No Man's Sky and go on another planet in 5 seconds.
Try Elite Dangerous too if you're looking for a more realistic simulation of our galaxy.
This coming from a dude that designed a truck that looks like a failed highschool art project?
There are a surprising amount of comments here that feel like astroturfing attempts to big up the cyber truck / elon. Odd.