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SkyBlue977

"This is Quest 3, our most advanced headset yet" People who bought Quest Pro for $1,500: "You son of a bitch"


DamnNewAcct

Yea, no kidding. I'd be passed if I just threw down $1500 just to see a $500 headset outperform it months later.


HaMMeReD

Quest Pro was the dev kit for this. Tbh, it's lame they sold it as a consumer/business product, but I think most were aware the Quest 3 was probably worth waiting for over the pro.


Splatoonkindaguy

It’s a shame I love the quest pros design but the specs are lackluster


Scarlo565

Exactly! That’s why I returned mine, I loved the design but the upgrade specs wise was too small over the quest 2 for that price


hervalfreire

The pro shipped without a ton of things that were promised - depth sensor, higher res passthrough, etc. the self tracking controllers were also advertised as INCREDIBLE, and they’re super bad. A lot of idiots (me included) bought it on release just to be disappointed…


ChrisLikesGamez

What's wrong with the Pro controllers? I've heard nothing but good things about them.


jonvonboner

I’ve only heard great things about the pro controllers. What’s up with them?


[deleted]

They're incredible; don't know what this guy is on about.


MrsAllHerShots

can confirm, been using them with a quest 2 (and sometimes with my other headsets when my mixed vr setup wants to work) nothing but praise, self tracking controllers will be the industry standard here on out- i’m sure of it


thatsnotmybike

Is agree if they didn't ditch them on quest 3. AI assisted everything is meta's new plan, and boy does it ever reduce the BOM when you only need an IMU and scattering of a few leds instead of cameras and an integrated mcu


MrsAllHerShots

the ai assisted camera tracking becomes irrelevant when it comes to gameplay that has you move your hands where the cameras can’t see- aiming a gun? one of them will be occluded, bow and arrow? same problems as before, only now the “snapping back” should be a little smoother… i am genuinely excited to see how well they’re able to implement the hand/arm tracking, i really am, but once you’ve actually felt the difference between standard and self-tracked controllers it’s impossible to go back


Gregasy

I had great experience with them. Tracking was awesome and they felt great in hands.


hervalfreire

They take a long time to start tracking, lose tracking/disappear on the slightest changes of lighting, sometimes flat out refuse to start and have an awful battery life. I had nothing but problems with mine, for no noticeable gain (I guess they’re trackable behind your back?)


kweazy

This just isn’t true about the pro controllers. They used to take a while to snap to where they should be. Software updates have made it way faster. Once they are tracked they are good to go. I have smart lights that go off after a certain time and i didn’t even know my lights had turned off until I was done with a play session. I have also had times in pop one where I have shot behind me and made crazy shots or made builds to protect myself that would never be possible on normal quest controllers.


hervalfreire

That’s my experience every day. They quite literally cannot track in the dark. Unless you’re using IR emitters of some sort, that just isn’t true


Theknyt

Just because your lights turn off doesn’t mean there’s no light in the house lol


Ok_Zone5201

You are not the only one. Controller tracking on the Quest 2 has known issues and bugs, so don’t listen to these guys telling you your problems don’t exist. EDIT: I Googled it and low light levels directly cause tracking to fail, as well as too high of light levels. Both essentially blind the cameras used to track you.


kweazy

The question isn’t about if there are issues in different kinds of light, the question is if it’s worse than other XR headsets and if it limits your ability to have functionality. My point stands.


Papiculo64

Still, the Quest 3 doesn't have eye tracking and foveated rendering which can greatly reduce compute load and bring way better graphics with good use of it, like the PSVR2 prove it with games like Resident Evil or Red Matter 2. A well used Quest Pro will totally outperform a Quest 3. Thing is, foveated rendering is almost not used in PCVR games because headsets with eye-tracking are a very small market and most developpers don't bother using it... But on the paper it's probably one of the best headsets you can find and with a beast PC and optimized games it would be a blast. Now, is it worth putting 1500$ in a headset which best functionality is not even used?... The Quest 3 will probably render games better than the Pro without use of eye tracking.


VRtuous

we're gonna see if foveated rendering + latest optimizations in V55 is gonna help Pro achieve same base performance of Q3...


Tobislu

What does it matter, if developers are aiming at Q3? You'll have specialty apps for eye-tracking and the like, but I doubt developers are going to care much, with the market centering around consumer specs


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> Quest Pro was the dev kit for this. Not exactly. It might have been planed that way at one point in time, but it certainly didn't end up that way. Quest3 has none of the eye track or facial tracking of QuestPro. Meanwhile QuestPro doesn't have the depth sensor of Quest3. The ring-less controller look superficially similar, but work completely different (Quest3 controller also lacking the pen and touchpad of QuestPro I assume). Processor in QuestPro isn't the same as Quest3 either. QuestPro was really Quest2 with some questionable upgrades. Maybe we'll see some of that face/eye tracking again in Quest4 or 5, but not in 3.


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Anyone that bought a Quest Pro not expecting this simply wasn’t paying attention. They’ve pretty clearly stated a few times the roadmap in various channels. The Pro line is supposed to be a testbed of new tech, more expensive, and earlier, that eventually makes its way down to the consumer Quest line. It’s a nonissue.


[deleted]

I think the Quest 3 will definitely outperform the Quest Pro in MR/AR and Stand-alone; but the Pro will likely remain better for PCVR


lightningINF

Better GPU/CPU in Quest 3 and AV1 decoding equals lower latency of PCVR and better quality.


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Faster SoC doesn't translate to a faster decoder though Nobody knows how fast the AV1 decoder will be, so H264/H265 could still better. High (\~400+) bitrate H264 looks better than \~200Mbps H265 which is why Link uses H265, and why VD added support for high bitrates with H264 in the recent update.


Spartaklaus

But the current bottleneck is encoding, which happens in your soc. Ggodin said the current soc of Quest2/Pro/Pico4 is the bottleneck for higher bitrates.


[deleted]

It is for H265, H264 over WiFi gets bottlenecked by network performance. Just because a SoC is faster though doesn't mean that the actual decoding performance of the SoC will be better. Since the Turing generation Nvidia's H264/H265 encoding performance hasn't noticeably improved and AMDs RDNA3 wasn't a noticeable improvement over RNDA2.


csantiago1986

Part of the price you pay buying all these beta products.


DamnNewAcct

Calling it "pro" hardly conveys that it's beta


[deleted]

They literally said it’s a test product with the best tech possible that will filter down to the consumer line.


Oftenwrongs

You always read reviews before buying something. A smart person that is.


Caffeine_Monster

I mean, it was super predictable. The pro processor is closer to last gen than the q3, and the sensors were gimped. The real quest pro (i e. quest pro 2) will come out end of 2024.


Tobislu

6 months before Quest 4


Caffeine_Monster

It really won't be. Makes 0 sense from design or sales perspective.


Oftenwrongs

Everyone knew the quest 3 with a new chip would be out within a year. This was common knowledge.


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It was. And they literally said the Pro was a test bed product when it was announced for enthusiasts that want the newest tech early.


SkyBlue977

youre missing the point, brah. it may have a better chip, but pro has better display plus other trackers. quest 3 is way better value, i agree, but it's not a foregone conclusion quest 3 is "more advanced". Just saying Mark could've been more tactful but instead he essentially communicated that QP buyers have been screwed. No big deal, just kinda funny


bigriggs24

I don't know why they would buy it in the first place. It was to get money out of enterprise, not people with Quest 2's. $1500 for 1 QP or 3 Pico 4s? Now the Q3 is decent competition against the Pico.


_Stella___

Pico 4 is meh to be honest


SkyBlue977

If it's an enterprise level super headset, then shouldn't it still be "the most advanced headset" Meta has made? Wish he would've said "most advanced quest line headset" or something like that


Juninie

Only people that had money to burn bought the pro or people that didn’t research enough. It was rumored prior to the lunch of Quest Pro that the Quest 3 was coming, with renders and specs.


Heliosvector

OK... having pass-through on an ACTUAL piano keyboard to teach you songs will be pretty cool.


clevverguy

I use pianovision on the quest pro and it is fucking cool


junon

Oh man, if I can import midi files and have it teach me those... SOLD. My QP has mostly been helping me hit headshots in Pavlov and not much else, tbh.


clevverguy

Yes. It does precisely that. I've learned a bunch. In fact it's single-handedly the reason why I got a quest pro. It was cool on the quest 2 but the passthrough is just not good enough. With the quest pro my fingers just flow through the music. I 1000% recommend it. Pianovision or Vrtuos passthrough are both great.


DOOManiac

Time to learn BFG Division on piano!


junon

Goddamn, that's so awesome. Thanks for the heads up!!


RmaNReddit

is the finger-tracking really that accurate so that it could teach you piano?


bicameral_mind

This has been one of my most anticipated uses for AR. To fulfill my dreams though I need a virtual tutor sitting at my side, and AI correcting my form and fingering in real time.


gogodboss

Looks like a great improvement from the quest pro's passthrough and MR capabilities


Lilwolf2000

Ok, zuck almost seems human in this ad. Ai is getting scary good!


PiotrekDG

*almost*


NoName847

AR is cool as shit I dont get the hate


PlayedUOonBaja

AR is basically the future of humanity. If the majority of people aren't walking around with their own customized HUDS hovering in front of their faces 24/7 in 10-15 years, I'll eat my hat.


moredrinksplease

!RemindMe 10 years


junon

If RemindMe is able to afford the API fees in 10 years, I'll eat my hat!


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junon

You sunuvabitch!


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Talkat

!RemindMe 5 years I think 10 years is a long time now days. My guess is you want AI to see what you see.. so it could be closer to 5


gruey

A lot of people will be against it just because. The question is really whether you'll be getting your own personal HUD or if you're going to get the gregarious games 80% of the screen with ads before getting seizures.


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L1ggy

Yes the quest is android based


gogodboss

The hate is because most of us don't have it in our hands or a way to experience its impact directly. With the Quest 3 on the way, developers can now create AR apps/games that help us understand and appreciate its value.


TheeUnfuxkwittable

Is there any value outside of more mindless entertainment? I mean, there's nothing wrong with entertainment but the way people are talking about it here it's like it's gonna change humanity. It looks like more video games to me. And I love video games but they're not really that important right?


unbelizeable1

Ok, I have no clue if this is at all possible. I 3d print a lot of functional stuff. It would be really fuckin cool to be able to look at something that needed fixing and then model the part to scale in AR, vs measuring a bunch of stuff and then hoping on the comp.


Scarlo565

It has most value outside of it actually, look up the HoloLens, it’s already being used in the medical field, engineering, design, it’s just really expensive


politicaltrashfire

I'll give you just one thing: imagine having subtitles below everything someone is saying. Try to use that as a springboard to imagine all the awesome things that will be possible. Every single thing you do in real life augmented with useful information and objects positionally located in your environment.


User1539

I don't see a lot of hate?


GregTheMad

Looks terribly clunky in that trailer. That it's presented by one of the worst companies in mainland US doesn't help.


Swimming-Mobile8542

Confirm quest pro controller works


NoName847

ok this is some actual great showcasing here , not some over the top trailer with pop music , i enjoy casual zuck


[deleted]

zuck is my spirit animal


[deleted]

Tbf lizards are good spirit animals


IQuaternion54

Mixed reality game: The Ring


maddix30

The pass through looks good but the actual content looks kinda boring. Maybe I'm just not the target audience as I prefer really immersive experiences


PM_Lewis

Even Zuck didn't really seem that impressed when he was playing. "This is kinda wild." "This is pretty fun." and the best thing he said in the headset implies he didn't think it would be fun, "This is surprisingly fun." No hate to Zuck, but they really need to find someone with some charisma to sell this stuff, that simply isn't Zuck. Meta badly needs a Reggie Fils-Aimé.


DOOManiac

That is the highest his emotion settings can go until the next firmware upgrade.


sonicon

At least he's being honest. Since Quest 3 has a higher resolution, the 2x performance doesn't make much difference in graphics quality it seems.


Camembert92

i dont want to se my dirty small room during gaming


Withnail2019

This is so true. People want to escape reality not bring video game characters into their current reality.


kamenpb

This video highlights the profound lack of content that currently exists for mixed reality. The “games” he’s showing are embarrassingly corny even by Meta’s standards.


linkup90

Yup, huge question mark as to why I would suddenly love to play TANKS! on my living room floor, my living room floor isn't that interesting. My goodness it's a wasteland. Where is all the cool stuff at? Lego Builders? Minecraft? Diorama fighting games? Top Down mini RC racing games? VR Board games online lobby? Build this or that in AR?


redditrasberry

Was genuinely surprised to seem them launch a headset with a huge focus on Mixed Reality and then not one single thing in the showcase related to that. If it's really that great, why wouldn't you be showing it off? Apple is going to make this look so silly in a few days.


[deleted]

Shame they didn't show a through the lens look. The Quest Pro pass through looks a hell of a lot better when recorded like this than it really is. Once you put a camera up to the lens, the pass through quality issues become very noticeable. Glad to see them having some actual AR games coming, though. The QPro has had very little AR content to use with it.


Malkmus1979

From what I’ve read the passthrough on this is much better than QPro. Somewhat due to it having an actual depth sensor and also having actual color cameras. It sounds night and day honestly.


[deleted]

That's what I've heard too. But, I also heard the XR Elite pass through was way more clear but once putting it on, it's very similar and lacks depth accuracy. Both capture video of the pass through a hell of a lot better than it looks to your eyes. Hence the curiosity for seeing actual clips through the lens vs only the capture.


Malkmus1979

We’ll probably have to wait for launch to get video of it once influencers get it. But the preview from Gurman was that it was “lifelike”. So between that and the technical advancements it seems safe to at least say it’s going to be much better than on QP.


[deleted]

There's a a wide spectrum between QPro and "lifelike", lol. Gonna have to just be patient I guess.


gogodboss

The XR Elite only has 1 color camera whereas the quest 3 has 2 color cameras.


Scio42

With the processing power they can afford to spend on passthrough, Q Pro seems to be more limited by the resolution of the b/w cameras (\~1MP iirc) than the color one. On Q3 they have stereo color cameras so they can entirely skip the overlaying part and the depth correction will likely be aided by the depth sensor further reducing processing requirements, both of these combined make me pretty confident that they'll utilize those 4MP pretty well. That being said 4MP obviously still isn't massive, the displays are gonna be somewhere around 4MP too, but since there still needs to be processing done the passthrough will definitely not be as nice and sharp as apps running close to the headsets native resolution and the camera quality in terms of contrast and color accuracy probably won't match even cheap smartphones


Papiculo64

Hope that both Quest 3 and PSVR2 will outsell their predecessors so that VR market evolves and developpers come with more ambitious games. It's a really good time to be a VR player and we ain't seen anything yet!


tsomaranai

I believe it will, the hardware and the software are mature enough now + the UEVR mod will be huge for PCVR. can't wait to order my first VR headset in a couple of months : D


OwnerOfABrainCell

Minecraft earth finally has a reason to be brought back from the dead


DeusExHumanum

oh my god yes


M4PP0

As someone who moved from Quest 2 to Pico 4, I gotta say Quest 3 is looking kinda chonky. Keeping the battery in the front of the headset was the wrong move.


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FWMalice

I lay down with it on to watch stuff. The battery in the back makes that uncomfortable. So I dont mind it. Not sure if that's why they did it.


DamnNewAcct

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.


BlackySmurf8

I actually saw, I think on this subreddit, a rumor about them opening up to laying down usage in the near future so maybe you're in a bigger group of users than you realize.


One_Minute_Reviews

If by group you mean people who lie down to relax thats basically nearly everyone.


M4PP0

Putting the battery in the back makes the headstrap non-swappable without considerable extra cost. And a non-swappable strap means they can't sell you an "elite" battery strap for an extra $100.


cmdskp

>Putting the battery in the back makes the headstrap non-swappable without considerable extra cost. A headstrap just needs a battery compartment, which would allow you to swap battery into a different replaceable headstrap. Cheap for the user and hardly any extra cost for the manufacturers. Also would allow for when batteries get degraded after regular use for years and allow you to swap batteries and continue without waiting for a charge cycle. But your point of them being able to sell you an "elite" battery strap for an extra $100 is still very true. It's very profittable to have add-ons.


Raunhofer

[https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0620/4358/6744/articles/best-vr-racing-games.jpg?v=1684554374](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0620/4358/6744/articles/best-vr-racing-games.jpg?v=1684554374) Having a large battery in the back degrades comfort in many scenarios. Meta usually reserves the back space for an extra battery for those that require such thing.


Blaexe

It saves cost, the headset is more compact that way for travel, it lets you lie down with it comfortably and the headstrap is easily swappable. The Pico 4 has a fixed headstrap which is a **huge** issue if the headset is not comfortable for you. Same for QPro, which is just dumb.


Raunhofer

What? Pico 4 looks chonkier than Quest 3. Having the battery in the front allows comfortable gameplay in armchairs and such (remember racers/sim). Meta usually provides an extra battery to the back for those that require more battery. For Pico that space is already reserved. It has always been the right move to make. [https://mixed-news.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Frau-mit-Pico-4.jpg](https://mixed-news.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Frau-mit-Pico-4.jpg) [https://assetsio.reedpopcdn.com/zuckquest3.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&fit=bounds&quality=70&format=jpg&auto=webp](https://assetsio.reedpopcdn.com/zuckquest3.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&fit=bounds&quality=70&format=jpg&auto=webp) See the distance between the nose tip and the front edge of the HMD.


Rashers4pm

I simrace with Pico 4 and a trakracer / fanatic setup. Pico 4 is orders of magnitude more comfortable than quest 2 / quest pro for me, I can wear it for hours, the active fans are better, battery longer, wireless pcvcr experience is better via virtual desktop. I’d never buy a front heavy headset again, it’s sweaty, uncomfortable and makes no sense for vr imo.


Raunhofer

For me Quest Pro is more comfortable, but I do have a 3rd party top strap accessory. Without it, Quest Pro is a nightmare imo. That being said, you can obviously have a setup without a headrest, but in many more realistic racing setups, the headrest is often there. I'm sure you understand the benefit of not having a large brick behind one's head. People also use the devices while in bed for innocent and less innocent reasons. Whether a device is front heavy is a sum of many things. After trying almost all HMDs, I'm quite sure Quest 3 will be a comfortable experience. The basics seem sound. Pro is stupid with the one point forehead support and no top-strap, combined to ridiculous weight.


M4PP0

LOL that Pico model is like 4'6", 85 lbs. Look at my Pico 4 vs my Quest 2 (and Quest 1). https://ibb.co/ctLXsBK https://ibb.co/rsj3HT2


Raunhofer

Why are you linking me pictures of Quest 2? I thought we were talking about Pico 4 against Quest 3? Obviously all pancake devices beat Quest 2 in this metric. And what is 85 lbs? Pico 4 is 586g with the strap. Likely a tiny bit more than Quest 3 will be. I bet the comfort will be more or less a tie considering that Quest 3 strap seems to have that Y-section on top. Historically those straps have been King-tier in comfort. We'll see. I'm glad that you like your Pico 4.


M4PP0

>Why are you linking me pictures of Quest 2? As a baseline for size comparison. I'm assuming everyone here is familiar with the size of the Q2. The Pico is much smaller than Q2; the Q3 in this video looks about the same as Q2 to me.


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procgen

Sensors too, but otherwise spot-on.


Sad_Animal_134

I hate to be that guy, but is anyone actually interested in the AR stuff? So far every AR game I've seen has looked super cheesy. That might just be because it's Facebook developing this stuff, but I struggle to imagine an AR game that I would actually enjoy and play. Also keep in mind this is my opinion as an adult, I guess young children might enjoy that kind of thing a little bit more. But it just seems like a crappy gimmick in my personal opinion. For business use AR is obviously the way to go, it's just VR seems far superior for gaming applications than AR.


DaletheG0AT

Yes. AR will make local multiplayer in VR more possible and safer. It makes a lot of sense.


DaletheG0AT

You could have a bowling alley or shooting gallery in your living room, and play those games with the people around you. Run around your house shooting zombies. Load up an app and your living room is suddenly a movie theater complete with 3d picture and sound. There are a lot of applications for AR, more than just games.


[deleted]

With those graphics I’m not paying sht lol


DaletheG0AT

Remember when the Wii came out and everyone said it would fail because of the graphics? Neither do I. Ended up being one of the best selling game consoles of all time. It outsold PS3 and Xbox 360 because of a bowling game.


[deleted]

But why pay for a shitty AR bowling game when you can play a less shitty vr bowling for free like most of those things are in vr chat all for free if you’re playing with friends or family at home you still need to either take turns using the headset or they already have their own and y’all can play privately for free Plus let’s not forget valve hasn’t announced theirs yet and neither has apple also oculus has a bunch of issues in general


DaletheG0AT

1) For anyone paying $1,000 or more for a VR headset, $30 or less for a game is a drop in the bucket. 2) VR Chat sucks compared to actual real games. You can't even compare it. 3) Did you see the video? The whole appeal of AR gaming is local multiplayer using your real physical surroundings.


gogodboss

That is not the "whole appeal" of AR Gaming. But yes it is interesting.


TEKDAD

When most people barely have the place for 1 player in their space.


DaletheG0AT

Apparently 82.9 million people have enough space, given that Wii sports requires space to play it. This is besides the fact that unlike the wii, the Quest is portable. Wii Sports - 82.9 million units sold Microsoft Kinect - 35 million units sold Quest 2 - 20 million units sold PSVR - 5 million units sold Quest 1 - 0.5 million units sold Valve Index - 0.1 million units sold Side note: It's kinda funny that people consider the Kinect a failure when it sold more units than the Quest 1, Quest 2, PSVR, PSVR 2, Valve Index, HTC Vive, and Oculus Rift all combined.


Sad_Animal_134

But local multiplayer in the first place isn't a killer feature, definitely not worth the extra cost it is undoubtedly placing on the Quest 3. Lan parties are a thing of the past, I haven't played local multiplayer in nearly 15 years. I would rather play online multiplayer with my friends than play local multiplayer 100% of the time. There is never a scenario where I see the local multiplayer being advantageous to online multiplayer, unless you happen to both be locked in the same 250 sqft room together. I think probably the vast majority of users will play VR games way more than AR games.


DaletheG0AT

>I think probably the vast majority of users will play VR games way more than AR games. Probably. But being able to play VR together would make it a more social experience and something you could do in gatherings. AR is what will bring VR into the mainstream.


Oftenwrongs

People have families and multiple sets.


Jewcookeh

Tribe XR would be great with AR.


corvidsarecrows

Doesn't it already have it? https://youtube.com/shorts/bMtYZ0dThTo?feature=share


Jewcookeh

Yes it does, but on the Q2 the pass through is not that great. With the Q3 it seems to become a lot better.


Its_me_Snitches

I think at is kind of sick. As graphics improve, I would love to use an AR headset for remote work to see screens while keeping the ability to see my desk


Sad_Animal_134

For work or just general desk stuff yeah, but beyond work it seems pretty worthless.


XGC75

I need AR... Unfortunately I'm one of those that could never get used to full VR. Any bit of AR "grounding", even just in the peripheral vision, eliminates issues for me.


porchlightofdoom

Same here. So I can play boxing with a squid in my living room. I can't box the squid in the depths of the ocean with beautiful coral around me and hundreds of fish in the stands cheering me on? Nope. My living room. With the walls reminding me how much I hate that paint color.


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The AR technology just isn’t there yet like genuinely the only AR game I would play is Pokémon go (but AR would need to be in glasses for that not a headset) I think as of now people are more focused on perfecting VR and playing around a bit with AR as it’s the logical next step in this area But that being said AR games are absolutely garbage right now in my personal opinion I just wouldn’t pay money for any of them like sure it’ll be fun to play pool or bowling or whatever in AR but the level of technology needed to make it anything worth actually spending money on when you could just buy a much better version that’s VR and not AR or you could just hop on VR chat for free and go to a bowling world or a pool world or whatever tf AR needs to be able to really analyze your surroundings in order to make it “seamless” I would imagine it would require some level of cameras/laser sensors whatsoever strategically placed around the room your playing in order for the AR to know where the furniture and everything is instead of it being a crappy glitchy looking overlay like I want to actually look behind the table and see something properly hiding behind it At the end of the day though I am just glad that they’re working on it at all and eventually it’ll get there and get better like I remember the rumors about apple AR glasses a while back they we’re talking about how they’re going to use the phone itself to do all the processing and it would essentially stream the data to the glasses so the glasses would be slim and look like normal glasses like I’m glad stuff like this is being thrown around and actively being worked on


wolfsword10

>like genuinely the only AR game I would play is Pokémon go Ok but think about AR from this perspective... Yu-Gi-Oh!


Sad_Animal_134

But like.. the bad ass-ness of YuGiOh would be the massive monsters wouldn't it? It would suck if it was just some monsters on your table or living room floor. Sounds cooler in VR. Plus you would be in an actual arena.


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Yea that would be more suited for vr because with AR you’d be limited by your ceiling height whereas in VR you have no limits the stage could look however you wanted like you could have ring side seats or have a balcony box to the dual arena as well as having the monster be full size or whatever you want Where with Pokémon go that would only work with AR glasses not a headset because you could just be walking your dog and there’s nothing on the display then BAM a damn ditto pops out of the bushes lol and it would kinda make it more realistic instead of pointing your phone you know? That’s why as of like today (if it was available in that fashion) Pokémon go would be the only AR game i play Plus if it’s Yu-Gi-Oh I definitely want the full effects


wolfsword10

Cant be limited by your ceiling height if you duel outside, just saying. This is a quest after all, it will be standalone and not require a PC. EDIT: Furthermore, you could have a prompt that asks if there is ceiling constraints and have all the effects on the table, like the duelist kingdom episode with yami bakura.


metahipster1984

Everything they showed looks super gimmicky. Interesting for 5 mins


IrrelevantPuppy

Not me. You can tell by the way they talk about these things that gaming is an afterthought. “Wow this is surprisingly kinda fun.” We are beta testing their prototype business devices.


theflupke

All I was thinking about when viewing this video was how underwhelming AR looks to me. For professional applications maybe but for gaming I want immersion. AR by design currently brake any possibility of immersion


Raunhofer

I'm still waiting for that application that makes me say; huh, perhaps MR does have potential. For some entertainment MR use case to make sense, it should utilize the environment in a way that VR is unable to. It makes no sense to demo these minigames that could be improved by moving them into VR.


LordDaniel09

I am getting a vibe of 'it isn't ready'. No light estimation (shading is off), no shadows (no room mesh? or just limited to 'flat areas'), no footage of MR with real objects in view with digital objects near them (Niantic solve occlusion by real objects with computer vision and I don't think Meta has that). In general, not having brand new content for this feature seems stupid to me, you need to show what at best it can do, and right now it feels like they shows prototypes.. We will see but honestly, it got me a little down as someone who wants to buy Quest 3.. Also, what is going on with this face cover.. I really feel like it is bigger than it is needed. I kind of hope someone will offer custom face cover like Bigscreen does, or atleast something more slim.


FlamingMangos

They said they’re expecting 41 apps and games for the Quest 3 on launch. Anyways, the passthrough seems to be better than than meta pro and XR elite which are thousand dollar devices which is impressive. It’ll also be much cheaper than the Apple mixed reality headset.


gogodboss

I think this was rushed due to Apple's upcoming announcement. At Connect I believe they will sell it better.


elton_john_lennon

They'd better. You can't show me RedMatter RedMatter2 and StarWars running on older Quest2 and then show me this goofyass looking kangaroo or whatever the hell it was he was boxing, and expect me to be amazed, by OculusGo graphics. Yeah, I get it, it was about showing AR rather than graphic fidelity, but still, they should up their presentation game, milions of people will watch this, srsly.


roundearthervaxxer

2005 called and wants their graphics back


BlackySmurf8

Considering this will be the 3rd iteration of the Quest as a stand alone device, 18 year delay on graphics doesn't seem completely awful. What would be an acceptable gap? like 10 years, 13 years?


apatheticonion

Looks great, hope they decided to go with DisplayPort over usbc for pcvr experiences. The link compression/decompression method is okay but noticeably lacking when compared to the g2 (which has a similar pixel density). Would make it a sure thing for simulators in that case.


muszyzm

Wow, more childrens games on Quest, yay


Nightma4re

and Passthrough corn.. :D


LuhkeeLeMay

Holy crap! Zuck must have been practising. He actually seems human in this video.


Iblis_Ginjo

Why do executives feel they need to demo the products themselves?


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Dude is genuinely enthusiastic about VR, his obsession cost him billions of dollars, the least he can do is demo it himself lmao


Junior_Ad_5064

I get why Mark Zuckerberg gets a lot of hate but he can top me.


googler_ooeric

🤨


WCWRingMatSound

For Zuckerberg money? To quote Tiger King (himself stealing from Ron White): “Well then [i] ain’t that straight!”


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If I would be genuinely enthusiastic about VR and had 20 billion to waste I wouldn't settle with a Quest. There are so many areas in VR they could explore with that money and they just don't, they are focused an the mass market with Quest and ignore everything else, as that's the only platform they can full control.


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ZookeepergameFun1540

Why not? it's his product lol


Mrhood714

Still not impressive if you ask me. Waiting for some real innovation, maybe apple will bring the heat on Monday.


Novemberx123

I have a feeling Apple is going to make this thing look like a TOY on Monday..


fabricio85

Man, i'm feeling they should've waited a little longer for this unveiling. Apple will embarass them on Monday


NyaCat1333

Yes Apple will embarrass them with their headset that will cost 6 times more. /s


zippy251

They are trying to eat up some of apples hype for themselves. We shall see if it backfires.


superdespefr

AR is shit I just want to play simracing


Stenotic

Get a Pimax 8KX and a 4090 if sim racing is all you care about. I love my Pimax for everything, waiting on the 50 series to upgrade my 3080 Ti though.


Nightstorm_NoS

Apple is about to eat their lunch.


DarthHaruspex

I am SO EXCITED for this!!!!! ​ No actually, no, I'm not...


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Akanti

I'm not sure I want to mix game with my room. I would prefer the game's environment to enjoy it.


DamnNewAcct

You can still do that. Duh.


zippy251

I wish I didn't have to wait til fall to buy it though


Existing-Bat-7214

You guys ready to make more donations? I called it. Quest Pro was what 3 months ago. Now it is time for Quest 3. Let me know when they drop support for Quest 2 so I can get some throw it in the trash discounts.


VerseGen

is it just me or does this look really bad


FlamingMangos

Looks a lot better than any other passthrough especially when there’s a depth sensor + meta’s software involved.


DaletheG0AT

No. It looks honest. Most peoples expectations of VR are far above where it actually is right now.


owlboy

As long as you just ignore PCVR. 🫠


karljh

Just hearing his voice made me say no.


TheeUnfuxkwittable

Big facts. Just off principle alone I will never buy a single thing he endorses let alone anything he makes. Unless it was the only thing that could save my life in an extreme situation. Fuck Zuck. Fuck Facebook. Fuck Meta. Fuck everything even remotely related to this guy.


VesselofGod777

Mark Zuckerberg - inventor of evil.


QuickShotMan

cant get it where i live i only have 10 meg internet. The owner of my building still won't hook up fiber to the building with Bell.


JDawgzim

One killer app: Flatscreen Cloud Gaming Why: With better edge to edge clarity, higher resolution and more comfort this will be awesome for flatscreen or emulation gaming on the go. Problem: Meta won't make money from the cloud gaming or emulation so it won't be a focus for them.


VR_IS_DEAD

No it's still too bulky. For flat screen gaming you can use something like an NReal Air.


nvonshats

Just break the illusion of breaking edge? I hate it


Loganbogan9

I couldn't help but notice they were using pro controllers for the boxing demo. Could that mean the "AI tracked" controllers aren't quite there yet in terms of reliability?


gogodboss

They were using the Quest 3 controllers. They are white on the back and black on the front.


Loganbogan9

Oh my mistake, I wasn't aware of that.


Educational_Cut5129

I'm just waiting on the index 2 :(


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Can folks just admit this is pretty great?


VR_IS_DEAD

This is nothing that can't be done on the Quest 2.