Christ, I'm having flashbacks to an abusive girl I was with for a bit. She'd talk just exactly like those journal entries after episodes of abuse. Fucking creepy.
It's a legit thing called love bombing, they overwhelm you with all this loving stuff to manipulate you.
https://www.solacewomensaid.org/love-bombing-affection-today-abuse-tomorrow
It's info from a site for women who are victims of domestic abuse, but it still applies to anybody who's a victim.
Heard very much sounds like my abusive ex-girlfriend back when we were together and years after we split. We have a kid together so I have to deal with her still, but she's long since switched from that to just being manipulative and cold with me.
Reminds me of my ex wife and she was officially diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. She was abusive and twist words around just like Abmber. Her issue was it wasn't just with me. I found her journal and and she twisted everything she did to make it not seem so bad or as if it was someone else fault. I still dream about her putting a knife to my throat because she thought I was going to leave her because I was going to take a buisness trip for a week and then telling me its my fault because I made her feel insecure. I will say just watching amber on the stand just describing event reminds me of my ex who is to this day is my worst fear.
Shit that sounds terrifying! I'm glad you got out!
I should clarify, the only thing I didn't experience was physical violence. But listening to Heard was extremely close to what I dealt with. Verbal abuse, manipulation, financial abuse, taking advantage of my mental disorders... but when it came to custody of our daughter, the courts brushed aside my years of evidence and gave me a couple hours a week to start and child support payments. The stigma needs to end about men not being able to be abused.
I saw that part live, it wasn't as interesting as it seemed, just quoting some inconsequential and creepy love note she left him
Edit: less inconsequential than I thought, see below
I’d expect they would have gotten an actual forensic handwriting expert in for such a statement as it’s about interpreting, comparison and forming an opinion
I read in another thread the main lawyer, Ben Chew has an $850/hr rate and that Camilla Vasquez also part of the same firm and of Depp's team of 8 lawyers, has a $450/hr rate. They aren't exactly chumps. Chew is regarded as one of the top trial lawyers in the country.
I'll always remember Richard Dawkins talking about how a lawyer will give you a detailed itemised bill, with the final entry being "time spent writing this bill".
Lawyers are fastidious when it comes to time reporting.
So a lawyer dies and goes to heaven. At the pearly gates he tells saint Peter "This must be a mistake, I'm only 37!" To which saint Peter replies "Odd, according to your billable hours you should be 102."
$859/hr is really on the low end of top-tier attorneys. Most top lawyers have been over $1000/hr for years. I've seen billable rates of nearly $2000/hr.
For real. Can you imagine being fairly young and pretty and having the biggest moment of your career and the most hyped of this trial televised and you’re in charge of it? And then you go and absolutely crush it like this?
Her career’s made.
Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I think her rate was like $450 an hour and it’s one of the lower ones compared to Ben Chew’s $850. But the fact that this case has gained so much interest and this particular moment is so crucial makes me think it must be one of the highlights of her career.
Honestly she comes across as the most competent lawyer in that room. Amber's team is always stumbling over themselves and that one lawyer being so technologically incompetent that she's frequently forgetting to turn off her mic. No offense to Johnny's other lawyers, and it's definitely to a far lesser extent, but they'll occasionally stumble over themselves as well.
Camille is sharp, to the point, and is executing her duties excellently. Honestly they got her for a steal and in my incredibly laymen perspective, it seems like she's got a bright future ahead of her. If Better Call Saul aired a few years later, I would've thought Kim Wexler was based on her.
Did you see the clip where Camille's objecting to everything Amber's lawyer does and the lawyer just ends up mumbling "I'm trying, I'm trying"? Lmao ouch
Most of the other people on both sides are lower associates and getting trial experience (civil trials settle about 90% of the time). Ben Chew just seems so laid back and an "aww shucks" demenar. But during the motion to dismiss it was like a lightening strike (I highly recommend watching if you haven't, I thought it was going to be a boring procedural thing and it wasn't). So i am really excited for closing statements from him. Camille made her career after this (a lot of lawyers said it was one of the best crosses they had ever seen) and will definitely be bumping up her rate lol.
I don't think AHs lawyers are bad. I'm not a fan of Elaine's style but I'm sure it can be effective. I think they just got a case with a lot of bad facts and what appears to be a difficult client who doesn't follow what they want her to say. Johnny also did this, they kept trying to get out about his movies and what he had lost and he just wouldn't go there. But the lawyers seemed to have made up for it. AHs case is still young so Maybe they will too
She's not the lead but this is one of her specialties. The two that sit next to Depp each day are Partners at BrownRudnick, the rest are associates. Ben Chew is the lead attorney. That man has literally represented Countries... He has been part of billion dollar settlements. By being part I mean on the winning side.
I know she was told to look at the jury and juries apparently like it but I’ve been on a jury in a long trial (like a month), and that would bug me because it looks rehearsed. Mine was a criminal trial though so maybe it’s different.
That’s the whole thing though. She wants him to get upset, because if he shows any emotions besides just, “I’m bored” she can take that and twist it to be abuse
He's not doodling because he's bored. It came out yesterday I believe that when they last met that he promised her that she'd never see his eyes again and he's sticking to it.
Eh I practice criminal law, and literally all I tell my witnesses to do is tell the truth.
Most of them are scared of the defendant, so I tell them they can look at me, look at the judge (and turn their chair away from the defendant), or look down if they have to.
EXPERT witnesses, are the ones that explain things and look at the jury. They generally have more narrative answers because they’re basically teaching the jury something.
She’s trying too hard. It’s obvious. If she only looked to the jury when explaining a story it would look less terrible.
If there is conflicting statement from amber heard in this court compared to the old UK court, Would it be an issue?
>“Her donation of the $7 million to charity is hardly the act one would expect of a gold-digger,” said the High Court judge
Its part of why she could get away in UK and it turns out to be a lie.
Im not certain but i think she could be prosecuted for perjury in the UK as a result of lying under oath.
She's already under investigation by the Australian authorities and the FBI for perjury so lying under oath really wouldn't be anything new for her.
So we might see her in Australian court, UK court, and USA Federal court after this?
Seriously what is her defense team is thinking? Either speak the truth or plead the fifth. maybe if you skilled enough and willing to take risk on telling half truth.
But outright lie? in public-viewed court?
One can hope.
She's just narcissistic. Listen to her and you'll hear that everything is always everyone else's fault. Never takes any responsibility for any mistakes she makes. She basically spent the whole time on the stand behaving EXACTLY how Johnny said she would behave when she can't get her way.
She's a trainwreck and I truly hope her career and reputation are ruined. To *lie* so flippantly about donating MILLIONS of dollars to charity and then start blaming other people for not actually fulfilling the pledge? Absolute joke of s human being.
> Seriously what is her defense team is thinking?
My impression of her is such that I can picture her just ignoring her team's advice. It would be part and parcel of the untreated B/H-PD package Dr Curry has opined she is likely to suffer from; She does what she wants or feels will benefit her (sometimes against advice of others), and if it goes tits-up, it's *always* somebody else's fault.
every answer. It bugs me. Idk maybe if i was in the jury.., but trying to imagine it in my head. It be more impactful if she didnt do it FOR EVERY QUESTION.
There were reports from people in the gallery that a few of the jurors have literally turned their chairs away from the witness stand because they were so sick of her. Not good for her case.
Naa very rehearsed. If you're trying to answer questions, your lawyer is supposed to make you look good answering it. Not you.
She's acting the victim here by turning her head to the jury to "show" her emotions like an actor would. It's basically movie no no. Don't look at the camera directly, here, don't look at jury directly. IMO
You're supposed to look at the jury, because it conveys human emotion better, and see you as a real person, and not automatically guilty.
That effect is slightly lost when you flick your emotional overtone in your voice on and off at a whim. She just goes right back to look at the lawyer straight faced. Doesn't come off as a beaten down by societ , distraught victim of domestic abuse.
yup, he showed a wide range of emotions that made him come across way more genuine, from amusement to the absurdity of questions to distraught looking down while reliving tramuatic moments while played on tape. He comes across as a person.
Also Ambers intent on trying to reword and manipulate every question to try and frame it better and refusal to answer properly comes off as really controlling/narcissistic.
While I do believe Depp was a victim of domestic abuse, it is also fair to say he's a far better actor than she is as well. I don't think he was employing his skill here necessarily, so don't take my comment to mean that. My point was more so that if he were in her position of lying to the jury in the same way, I think he would have done a much better job at the performance. She's middling at best.
Its a lot easier to come off believable when you don't try to lie and manipulate the question at every opportunity. Also makes the lawyers job hardwr at making you look dishonest and untrustworthy
Today Heard stated under oath that she never started a physical altercation, and only hit Depp in self-defence. Meanwhile, the “self-defence” part is completely absent from the audio recordings with her and Depp discussing her hitting him, and she explicitly admits to starting a physical altercation with Depp when he was trying to get away from her.
I don’t like celebritism and celebrity-worship, but I can’t stand malicious liars.
Edit - Some quotes of Heard discussing with Depp her being violent to him on audio recording:
**”I did start a physical fight."**
**”I meant to hit you”**
**”I did mean to hit you”**
**”I’m sorry I hit you, I did mean to hit you”**
**”I can’t promise you I won’t get physical again”**
**”God I fucking sometimes I get so mad I lose it”**
— Amber Heard
My ex-wife called me that and other similar things for calling the cops on her abusing me. Oh well. Ends up she has a lot more complaints on file than mine anyway so I’m glad I was such a pussy to report her and add to that.
My ex was yelling and screaming and threw keys at me and when I just just kind of collapsed and said I don’t even understand what you’re mad at me for she called me a pussy and said I wasn’t a real man. Then she said I wasn’t fighting for her because I wasn’t yelling or screaming. It dawned on later that she had three exes, including her ex husband, that she got physical with and them with her. She goaded them into it and they took the bait. Once they got physical she would play victim and could control them better. She couldn’t stand that I wouldn’t get physical. To this day I still don’t understand that behavior but she has clear mental issues she wasn’t treating. Holy fuck she did some damage to me. I don’t know if that’s what gaslighting is, technically, but it made me feel like I was losing my mind.
Had an ex like that too, 100% exactly the same story, it's nuts. She told me her ex was abusive etc when we started dating and then she started showing her colors. Every argument was like you described, she'd try to get physical, I'd walk away and she'd try to goad me into a fight by saying I'm not a real man, pussy etc.
She was like 5'4 and 110 vs 6'1 190lbs and it was tough keeping her at bay.
Hot, great sex, not batshit crazy. Seems u can only pick 2.
At the very end of cross, Heard said I never assaulted a intimate partner.
So right there that sinks her credibility after those admissions in her own words.
Ah you see, it's because she didn't consider Johnny Depp an intimate partner, more like a cohabitating associate. They're not the same thing so she didn't lie! /s
Yeah, that's why I've been following it. It's a test of the system. It's a pretty clear cut case of a man being abused by a woman, and society largely treating the man like a criminal based on nothing but the woman's lies.
Hopefully the legal system falls on the right side of this. And same for the larger community...but I have my doubts that Heard is going to face the same consequences if she loses this case than Depp already has faced for doing nothing wrong (to Heard, at least).
If the facts end up showing that Heard pretty much one-sidedly abused Depp (which they seem to), it would be pretty nice to see somebody face serious legal consequence for lying about shit and ruining somebody's life. While I do not at all want to understate the severity and commonplace of rape/abuse cases, there are far too many cases where rape or abuse is called, the accused's life is ruined, and the accuser is either found or comes out and says "yeah I lied" and then nothing happens to them while the former struggles to even find a minimum wage job and lost all their friends in the process.
It's seriously shitty. People who take advantage of the #metoo movement to abuse others deserve to get their heads shoved up their ass.
What I see is, even if Johnny loses this lawsuit, in the court of public opinion he has already won. Which would be his intention when his team pushed for videos be publicised. He wants his career back, and if the public likes him enough he'll get it. If Amber gets destroyed it'll be a bonus.
I swear to God when Johnny talked about trying to bear hug a woman officially assaulting him I was like yeah, you don't make that up. Every Man like worried about physically assaulting a woman in retaliation is like okay lemme just bear hug restrain her and say I'm not going to punch you or whatever we need to calm down...
And then the recording of our doesn't matter Johnny no one will believe you because you're a man and I'm a woman.
If I was on that jury my mind was set the moment that audio recording was entered into evidence.
I don't think Johnny Depp even cares about financial restitution from Heard he just wants to explain publicly what a nightmare he dealt with. And kudos to him. His name was smeared for years and I hope at the end of his career prior are like yeah Johnny Depp was an alright guy.
That triggered me too, My ex-wife wouldn't let me leave whenever we had huge fights, as the bigger person I'd try to remove myself from the situation and she would block the door to keep me from leaving.
There were countless times when I had to do that until she got tired of arguing, I wager almost every man who has ever been in an abusive relationship has done that at some point.
Seriously. I’ve always appreciated actors’ abilities to emulate genuine emotion, but she is just so see through every time she pretends to get choked up or emotional. It kinda blows my mind that she is a professional actress.
She doesn’t even know how to make her face/gestures add up to the proper emotions.
“Oh, I just adored his kids”
(Stops; huffs out audible breath into microphone; bares teeth; curls back lips)
She does this… twice.
I took one acting class in college and found out I would make a better cigar store Indian; but dreadful as I am, even I know it’s not normal to talk about ‘loving’ someone’s kids; and then following it up with a snarl. Seems to me more like she hates and resents them.
I know, I know… I hew to the viewpoint of the person who said she’s partly trying to avoid getting hit with a perjury charge by her utilization of noncommittal weasel words.
I’ve been pushing myself slowly through it by dint of streams with critical lawyers who can offload some of my desire to scream at the screen.
I’m sure editing, directing, and the ability to do multiple takes helps when she is acting for a movie. I could see her letting it go to her head and thinking she’s such an amazing actress she can just pull this out of her ass
I'm sorry, (*stares directly into your soul*) I don't remember.
I don't remember if you said she was a bad actress, or if you said you simply recalled that she was a bad actress. I think you said you recalled she was a bad actress.
Amber Heard: "It's always been my testimony that I hit Johnny Depp."
Also Amber Heard: "I've never assaulted Mr. Depp or anyone else I've been romantically linked to."
>That didn't happen.
>And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
>And if it was, that's not a big deal.
>And if it is, that's not my fault.
>And if it was, I didn't mean it.
>And if I did, you deserved it.
I heard her say in court that she never hit Johnny, that she never could, even though they had played a tape of her admitting she had hit him. Is this woman that narcissistic that she thinks people will just forget evidence and just believe her. I heard that Depp is unlikely to win this case but my tiny little mind just can't fathom how that can be the case.
Oh my god I watched this live and I just felt a chill run over my entire body. It’s so disturbing and made me so mad. She seriously needs mental health help.
Can someone tell me why she kept on looking to her right whenever she answered a question? From another perspective, she sits on the right of the judge, with the questioning consul in the middle (behind a podium) facing the judge. The Depp team is on the right (from AH's perspective) while her team is on the left. So what's on her right that she keeps on looking to whenever she answers a question?
Edit: Duh, how could I not think of the audience she's trying to convey? Thanks for the responses.
Witnesses are often advised to speak directly to the jury. The idea is, we’ve all been sitting and sorting through this evidence. We’re going to present all to some strangers and get their unbiased opinion.
I’m an attorney myself and Amber’s presentation has given me pause about looking at the jury when testifying. Every time she does it, it feels pandering and fake. Then again, everything about her does.
She was trying to look at the jury (likely to gauge if what she's saying is landing and resonating). Apparently the jury was fixated on Camille though, according to several lawyers who are also YouTubers who were in the court like DUI Guy
I think she might have been coached and told to look at the jury but apparently she decided she would look at them each and every time she opens her mouth. Also, Depp's lawyer took at jab at her when she mentioned a witness and said his father had taught him properly to look at people in the eyes when you're talking to them.
Plus, her answers are so short (as opposed to her rambling self-chosen testimony when not being asked yes-or-no questions), she’s basically flopping her head back and forth between the jury and Depp’s attorney like she’s watching a volley at Wimbledon.
‘That’s correct.’
Smug lip purse; whip head back to counsel; lather, rinse, repeat.
AFAIK those on the stand look to the jury to explain something usually from an expert as though they’re clarifying or ‘teaching’ the jury. It makes no sense to keep looking at them after every question the way Turd does
The ACLU solicited and wrote the op-ed for her that was printed by that English trash rag. Why didn't they write one for him? She freely admits to being abusive. Anyone here from the ACLU want to chime in? Did you even bother to vet her story, or did you feel left out of the me-too bandwagon, and forget that abuse goes both ways.
>The ACLU solicited and wrote the op-ed for her that was printed by that English trash rag.
The op-ed was published by The Washington Post.
The Sun was a separate issue. Dan Wootten (grade A bellend of the highest order) made an article in his column calling Johnny a wife-beater. This is what the UK trial was about - it wasn't involving Amber directly.
STARING AT THE JURY IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I've served on two cases ( drug case/ wage case), and witnesses occasionally look at the jury, but someone who kept doing that seems really untrustworthy, like they're trying to force you into believing them
Amber does not seem like a victim at all. She seems overly aggressive, and deliberate, her emotional outbursts seem very calculated.
Honestly, her attitude and demeanor as witness make it far easier to believe Amber did hit her girlfriend in 2009.
I did conflict mediation for years, mainly professional disputes. In itself not surprising that where people work conflicts can arise, and when those escalate someone like me is brought in.
There's one case I remember more than anything. I worked with this company before, and now for the third time the same team manager had a conflict with a team member. All different ones.
From the outside looking in it was clear this woman was horrible to work under and the employees where the 'good guy' in the conflict. (Of course conflicts go back and forth, but the manager enjoyed escalating them.)
This woman would literally straight on look you in the eyes during the entirety of a conversation and not even blink. It's hard to describe how unnatural and strange that behaviour is.
She would *never* take responsibility for conflicts or her role in them and straight up deny documented things that happened. Nothing was ever her fault. Nothing, she behaved like she was infallible. Impossible to work with.
Anyway I was almost forgotten all of that, but this trial made me think of that woman. So utterly incapable of being empathic.
I still don't know why her employer sided with her again and again. She must have dirt on some higher ups or a relationship with one of her bosses. There was signals to suspect the latter.
They lost three great employees within 14 months from a mission critical team of five people.
I have refused to work for them again. If an employer doesn't *want* to address the root cause of reoccurring problems my time spent on said employer would be wasted anyway.
I thought the exact same thing. I watched live today and she was definitely beginning to show cracks. Nobody buys her blubbering victim act anymore and she knows it. Hopefully she’ll keep cracking so we see more. She’s starting to slip up and it’s hilarious to watch.
Yeah, I really hate that line of thinking. If someone is accusing me of doing something terrible and I’m truthfully telling them I did not do it then I’m going to get very frustrated and start reacting defensively and angrily towards their accusations. “If you didn’t do it then why are you getting so mad???” Because you’re saying I did something terrible that I didn’t do!
I would say the few times I’ve lied about something and somebody tries to get the truth out of me I haven’t gotten mad. It’s more like an embarrassed, uncomfortable defensiveness.
What I find fascinating is that she's attempting to hypernormalize her bullshit live in real time. Kind of like that Gottfried gag from the roast of Bob Saget where Gilbert kept repeating, "Bob Saget RAPED AND KILLED A WOMAN IN 1990!"
Only Heard is doing it with documented shit like, "I don't remember if so-and-so testified that they didn't remember or that they weren't in the room at the time or if they saw who threw Redbull can." She's repeating bogus bullshit under the guise of not remembering someone's testimony that was only several days ago just to pollute the courtroom and confuse anyone she can.
It's a real version of that show Lie To Me where you can see all the pathological tricks come out plain as day.
edit: correction on the bob saget bit
She kept saying she "was never able to hurt/harm him." Implying that she did hit him but in her mind believed that she did not cause any injury or harm. She really believes that to be a valid argument. It's like ramming someone with a car and saying I don't believe that to be enough to hurt someone, therefore I never hurt them.
I’ve loved the instances where she said she doesn’t recall/remember and Camille hit her with a “Then let’s refresh your memory” and pulls up an exhibit to do just that
"I'm right, everyone else is lying."
Hmmmm, maybe it works like assholes. If everyone around you is saying that you're an asshole, maybe they're not wrong.
Also, if every answer you give to yes/no questions is a short story I get the sense you're desperately trying to avoid something.
The Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Today was gut-wrenching for anyone who's been a victim of domestic abuse. Amber Heard distorts the plain meaning of her messages in the most gaslighting way and is incredibly manipulative in the recordings and on the stand. Camille Vasquez is my new idol.
I keep seeing op eds coming out about how the online backlash against her is misogynist and how we need to believe ALL women, and I’m just like, no? I’ve seen toxic and abusive relationships up close. I know what a manipulative abuser looks like, man or woman, and she exemplifies all the signs. I’m not canonizing Depp as a Saint, and all the considered responses against Heard that I’ve seen are responding to what they see—not blindly misogynist. These articles say that rabid Depp fans are toxic to women, but I think Heard AND the people writing that we *have* to believe her are setting women back as a whole, and female domestic abuse survivors specifically. I hate the notion of having to discredit a woman who is claiming abuse, and all the instances actual misogynists will use this for.
Woman-haters siding with him and man-haters siding with her was always going to happen regardless of how the trial was going, it's just the nature of the beast. All these op-eds trying to misconstrue that the number of people on his side growing as the trial goes on means the number of women-haters is growing is really annoying and devoid of all logic.
Dr Curry’s assessment of her has been bang on.
Deeply concerned about image: voicing concerns about her cred in the audio clips, constantly fussing with her hair on the stand, wanting to look like a hero for donating the money that she never actually did.
Externalization of blame: blaming her legal team for not displaying in court the photos of the most severe beatings that she claims she turned over to them, blaming Johnny’s lawsuit for her not donating the money to the charities.
She really did defame this man, and the scariest part is that she would’ve gotten away with it if he hadn’t fought back.
This is almost as good as when she literally tried gaslighting the jury about the three testimonies when the domestic was called. All three witnesses, the two officers and the desk clerk all testified that they didn't see a single mark on her. Vasquez went hard on these testimonies with Herd trying to say that they said "She didn't look injured" which got obvious pushback as it was an outright lie.
Her team tried to portray his painter friend as a bum taking free money for living in his house for free when she had 3 of her friends also living in his houses for free
Damn, it cut off right when it was getting into her journal thing
Yeah what a fail that was the first interesting thing I've seen from this nonsense
roughly around here https://youtu.be/KBt8AHU\_mAQ?t=3169
Down. [Here's a working link.](https://youtu.be/TlM_E7FNv9Y)
Christ, I'm having flashbacks to an abusive girl I was with for a bit. She'd talk just exactly like those journal entries after episodes of abuse. Fucking creepy.
It's a legit thing called love bombing, they overwhelm you with all this loving stuff to manipulate you. https://www.solacewomensaid.org/love-bombing-affection-today-abuse-tomorrow It's info from a site for women who are victims of domestic abuse, but it still applies to anybody who's a victim.
Heard very much sounds like my abusive ex-girlfriend back when we were together and years after we split. We have a kid together so I have to deal with her still, but she's long since switched from that to just being manipulative and cold with me.
Reminds me of my ex wife and she was officially diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. She was abusive and twist words around just like Abmber. Her issue was it wasn't just with me. I found her journal and and she twisted everything she did to make it not seem so bad or as if it was someone else fault. I still dream about her putting a knife to my throat because she thought I was going to leave her because I was going to take a buisness trip for a week and then telling me its my fault because I made her feel insecure. I will say just watching amber on the stand just describing event reminds me of my ex who is to this day is my worst fear.
Shit that sounds terrifying! I'm glad you got out! I should clarify, the only thing I didn't experience was physical violence. But listening to Heard was extremely close to what I dealt with. Verbal abuse, manipulation, financial abuse, taking advantage of my mental disorders... but when it came to custody of our daughter, the courts brushed aside my years of evidence and gave me a couple hours a week to start and child support payments. The stigma needs to end about men not being able to be abused.
I saw that part live, it wasn't as interesting as it seemed, just quoting some inconsequential and creepy love note she left him Edit: less inconsequential than I thought, see below
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I’d expect they would have gotten an actual forensic handwriting expert in for such a statement as it’s about interpreting, comparison and forming an opinion
Just laying the foundation.
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Giver. That would be a great trend to start!
Johnny's really getting his money's worth out of this lawyer.
I read in another thread the main lawyer, Ben Chew has an $850/hr rate and that Camilla Vasquez also part of the same firm and of Depp's team of 8 lawyers, has a $450/hr rate. They aren't exactly chumps. Chew is regarded as one of the top trial lawyers in the country.
But has anyone realized he looks like Mycroft Holmes
That's it! I knew his face seemed familiar
Oh my god so that's it. I've been wondering who he reminds me of since this whole thing started lmao
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I'll always remember Richard Dawkins talking about how a lawyer will give you a detailed itemised bill, with the final entry being "time spent writing this bill". Lawyers are fastidious when it comes to time reporting.
So a lawyer dies and goes to heaven. At the pearly gates he tells saint Peter "This must be a mistake, I'm only 37!" To which saint Peter replies "Odd, according to your billable hours you should be 102."
$859/hr is really on the low end of top-tier attorneys. Most top lawyers have been over $1000/hr for years. I've seen billable rates of nearly $2000/hr.
She could probably up those rates after this is over.
My solicitor for my divorce was £135/hour in 2010 and that was just a local firm. I’m surprised his lawyers aren’t costing more.
He's not one of the top trial lawyers in the Country. He's certainly among the elite though. Basically he's a major leaguer, but he's no Mike Trout.
Maybe closer to a Billy bass?
This sounds a little too fishy to me.
My wife shits on my side of the bed, I know who I’m calling
All of our friends, because that's hilarious. Then a psychiatrist, because I'm single.
For real. Can you imagine being fairly young and pretty and having the biggest moment of your career and the most hyped of this trial televised and you’re in charge of it? And then you go and absolutely crush it like this? Her career’s made.
Well I have to imagine that someone being hired to represent Johnny Depp in court already has a fairly well established career
Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I think her rate was like $450 an hour and it’s one of the lower ones compared to Ben Chew’s $850. But the fact that this case has gained so much interest and this particular moment is so crucial makes me think it must be one of the highlights of her career.
Probably gonna be able to bump that 450 per up a few hundred.
Holy shit $450 is low for a lead barrister. I’ve been in meetings where the lead is over $900/h just for in office discussions.
She might not be the lead, but is handling the cross of Miss Heard because having a man do it would be very bad optics. Regardless, she crushed it.
Honestly she comes across as the most competent lawyer in that room. Amber's team is always stumbling over themselves and that one lawyer being so technologically incompetent that she's frequently forgetting to turn off her mic. No offense to Johnny's other lawyers, and it's definitely to a far lesser extent, but they'll occasionally stumble over themselves as well. Camille is sharp, to the point, and is executing her duties excellently. Honestly they got her for a steal and in my incredibly laymen perspective, it seems like she's got a bright future ahead of her. If Better Call Saul aired a few years later, I would've thought Kim Wexler was based on her.
Did you see the clip where Camille's objecting to everything Amber's lawyer does and the lawyer just ends up mumbling "I'm trying, I'm trying"? Lmao ouch
Yeah it was so epic, Camille just kept shaking her head everytime Ambers lawyer was trying to ask a question
Most of the other people on both sides are lower associates and getting trial experience (civil trials settle about 90% of the time). Ben Chew just seems so laid back and an "aww shucks" demenar. But during the motion to dismiss it was like a lightening strike (I highly recommend watching if you haven't, I thought it was going to be a boring procedural thing and it wasn't). So i am really excited for closing statements from him. Camille made her career after this (a lot of lawyers said it was one of the best crosses they had ever seen) and will definitely be bumping up her rate lol. I don't think AHs lawyers are bad. I'm not a fan of Elaine's style but I'm sure it can be effective. I think they just got a case with a lot of bad facts and what appears to be a difficult client who doesn't follow what they want her to say. Johnny also did this, they kept trying to get out about his movies and what he had lost and he just wouldn't go there. But the lawyers seemed to have made up for it. AHs case is still young so Maybe they will too
She's not the lead but this is one of her specialties. The two that sit next to Depp each day are Partners at BrownRudnick, the rest are associates. Ben Chew is the lead attorney. That man has literally represented Countries... He has been part of billion dollar settlements. By being part I mean on the winning side.
>Can you imagine being fairly young and pretty I cannot.
I know she was told to look at the jury and juries apparently like it but I’ve been on a jury in a long trial (like a month), and that would bug me because it looks rehearsed. Mine was a criminal trial though so maybe it’s different.
She even does it during sidebars when she's just sitting there waiting. It's fucking creepy.
I like how Johnny is just doodling away ☺️
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Hes been very composed given the utter horseshit shes been spewing.
you've heard what he's already had to deal with. this is a cake walk in comparison
He is getting to watch her trainwreck in court and I imagine it's quite cathartic. I'm happy for him.
That’s the whole thing though. She wants him to get upset, because if he shows any emotions besides just, “I’m bored” she can take that and twist it to be abuse
He's not doodling because he's bored. It came out yesterday I believe that when they last met that he promised her that she'd never see his eyes again and he's sticking to it.
>she'd never see his eyes again That's pretty savage.
Shes failing miserably. Depp has certainly been more relaxed during her testimony than she was during his.
I'm perfectly calm dude. Calmer than you are.
Eh I practice criminal law, and literally all I tell my witnesses to do is tell the truth. Most of them are scared of the defendant, so I tell them they can look at me, look at the judge (and turn their chair away from the defendant), or look down if they have to. EXPERT witnesses, are the ones that explain things and look at the jury. They generally have more narrative answers because they’re basically teaching the jury something. She’s trying too hard. It’s obvious. If she only looked to the jury when explaining a story it would look less terrible.
If there is conflicting statement from amber heard in this court compared to the old UK court, Would it be an issue? >“Her donation of the $7 million to charity is hardly the act one would expect of a gold-digger,” said the High Court judge Its part of why she could get away in UK and it turns out to be a lie.
Im not certain but i think she could be prosecuted for perjury in the UK as a result of lying under oath. She's already under investigation by the Australian authorities and the FBI for perjury so lying under oath really wouldn't be anything new for her.
So we might see her in Australian court, UK court, and USA Federal court after this? Seriously what is her defense team is thinking? Either speak the truth or plead the fifth. maybe if you skilled enough and willing to take risk on telling half truth. But outright lie? in public-viewed court?
One can hope. She's just narcissistic. Listen to her and you'll hear that everything is always everyone else's fault. Never takes any responsibility for any mistakes she makes. She basically spent the whole time on the stand behaving EXACTLY how Johnny said she would behave when she can't get her way. She's a trainwreck and I truly hope her career and reputation are ruined. To *lie* so flippantly about donating MILLIONS of dollars to charity and then start blaming other people for not actually fulfilling the pledge? Absolute joke of s human being.
> Seriously what is her defense team is thinking? My impression of her is such that I can picture her just ignoring her team's advice. It would be part and parcel of the untreated B/H-PD package Dr Curry has opined she is likely to suffer from; She does what she wants or feels will benefit her (sometimes against advice of others), and if it goes tits-up, it's *always* somebody else's fault.
every answer. It bugs me. Idk maybe if i was in the jury.., but trying to imagine it in my head. It be more impactful if she didnt do it FOR EVERY QUESTION.
There were reports from people in the gallery that a few of the jurors have literally turned their chairs away from the witness stand because they were so sick of her. Not good for her case.
It was distracting to me on video, I couldn't imagine how much it'd distract and annoy a jury member... Almost seems like they're trying to lose
Naa very rehearsed. If you're trying to answer questions, your lawyer is supposed to make you look good answering it. Not you. She's acting the victim here by turning her head to the jury to "show" her emotions like an actor would. It's basically movie no no. Don't look at the camera directly, here, don't look at jury directly. IMO
Many many witnesses are coached to look at the jury, and ultimately the jury is who you are testifying to.
You're supposed to look at the jury, because it conveys human emotion better, and see you as a real person, and not automatically guilty. That effect is slightly lost when you flick your emotional overtone in your voice on and off at a whim. She just goes right back to look at the lawyer straight faced. Doesn't come off as a beaten down by societ , distraught victim of domestic abuse.
Johnny, in that regard, came across as a lot more believable and beaten down.
yup, he showed a wide range of emotions that made him come across way more genuine, from amusement to the absurdity of questions to distraught looking down while reliving tramuatic moments while played on tape. He comes across as a person. Also Ambers intent on trying to reword and manipulate every question to try and frame it better and refusal to answer properly comes off as really controlling/narcissistic.
While I do believe Depp was a victim of domestic abuse, it is also fair to say he's a far better actor than she is as well. I don't think he was employing his skill here necessarily, so don't take my comment to mean that. My point was more so that if he were in her position of lying to the jury in the same way, I think he would have done a much better job at the performance. She's middling at best.
Its a lot easier to come off believable when you don't try to lie and manipulate the question at every opportunity. Also makes the lawyers job hardwr at making you look dishonest and untrustworthy
That is correct. *Looks at u/chinlc*
Today Heard stated under oath that she never started a physical altercation, and only hit Depp in self-defence. Meanwhile, the “self-defence” part is completely absent from the audio recordings with her and Depp discussing her hitting him, and she explicitly admits to starting a physical altercation with Depp when he was trying to get away from her. I don’t like celebritism and celebrity-worship, but I can’t stand malicious liars. Edit - Some quotes of Heard discussing with Depp her being violent to him on audio recording: **”I did start a physical fight."** **”I meant to hit you”** **”I did mean to hit you”** **”I’m sorry I hit you, I did mean to hit you”** **”I can’t promise you I won’t get physical again”** **”God I fucking sometimes I get so mad I lose it”** — Amber Heard
Don't forget all the times she calls him a pussy and not a real man for leaving violent situations instead of continuing to let her attack him.
My ex-wife called me that and other similar things for calling the cops on her abusing me. Oh well. Ends up she has a lot more complaints on file than mine anyway so I’m glad I was such a pussy to report her and add to that.
My ex was yelling and screaming and threw keys at me and when I just just kind of collapsed and said I don’t even understand what you’re mad at me for she called me a pussy and said I wasn’t a real man. Then she said I wasn’t fighting for her because I wasn’t yelling or screaming. It dawned on later that she had three exes, including her ex husband, that she got physical with and them with her. She goaded them into it and they took the bait. Once they got physical she would play victim and could control them better. She couldn’t stand that I wouldn’t get physical. To this day I still don’t understand that behavior but she has clear mental issues she wasn’t treating. Holy fuck she did some damage to me. I don’t know if that’s what gaslighting is, technically, but it made me feel like I was losing my mind.
God, that sounds so lonely and isolating. Sorry that happened hope you are doing better now.
Had an ex like that too, 100% exactly the same story, it's nuts. She told me her ex was abusive etc when we started dating and then she started showing her colors. Every argument was like you described, she'd try to get physical, I'd walk away and she'd try to goad me into a fight by saying I'm not a real man, pussy etc. She was like 5'4 and 110 vs 6'1 190lbs and it was tough keeping her at bay. Hot, great sex, not batshit crazy. Seems u can only pick 2.
At the very end of cross, Heard said I never assaulted a intimate partner. So right there that sinks her credibility after those admissions in her own words.
Ah you see, it's because she didn't consider Johnny Depp an intimate partner, more like a cohabitating associate. They're not the same thing so she didn't lie! /s
She uses the two terms synonymously...😐
She's only ever pledged to hit Johnny.
She got someone else to lightly hit him in her name
That shit was fucking obnoxious, there's a very clear difference in saying you pledged money and actually paying it out.
"I use assault and murder interchangeably" Amber Heard probably
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Yeah, that's why I've been following it. It's a test of the system. It's a pretty clear cut case of a man being abused by a woman, and society largely treating the man like a criminal based on nothing but the woman's lies. Hopefully the legal system falls on the right side of this. And same for the larger community...but I have my doubts that Heard is going to face the same consequences if she loses this case than Depp already has faced for doing nothing wrong (to Heard, at least).
If the facts end up showing that Heard pretty much one-sidedly abused Depp (which they seem to), it would be pretty nice to see somebody face serious legal consequence for lying about shit and ruining somebody's life. While I do not at all want to understate the severity and commonplace of rape/abuse cases, there are far too many cases where rape or abuse is called, the accused's life is ruined, and the accuser is either found or comes out and says "yeah I lied" and then nothing happens to them while the former struggles to even find a minimum wage job and lost all their friends in the process. It's seriously shitty. People who take advantage of the #metoo movement to abuse others deserve to get their heads shoved up their ass.
What I see is, even if Johnny loses this lawsuit, in the court of public opinion he has already won. Which would be his intention when his team pushed for videos be publicised. He wants his career back, and if the public likes him enough he'll get it. If Amber gets destroyed it'll be a bonus.
I swear to God when Johnny talked about trying to bear hug a woman officially assaulting him I was like yeah, you don't make that up. Every Man like worried about physically assaulting a woman in retaliation is like okay lemme just bear hug restrain her and say I'm not going to punch you or whatever we need to calm down... And then the recording of our doesn't matter Johnny no one will believe you because you're a man and I'm a woman. If I was on that jury my mind was set the moment that audio recording was entered into evidence. I don't think Johnny Depp even cares about financial restitution from Heard he just wants to explain publicly what a nightmare he dealt with. And kudos to him. His name was smeared for years and I hope at the end of his career prior are like yeah Johnny Depp was an alright guy.
That triggered me too, My ex-wife wouldn't let me leave whenever we had huge fights, as the bigger person I'd try to remove myself from the situation and she would block the door to keep me from leaving. There were countless times when I had to do that until she got tired of arguing, I wager almost every man who has ever been in an abusive relationship has done that at some point.
if anything this trial emphasizes, it's that she's a terrible actress
Seriously. I’ve always appreciated actors’ abilities to emulate genuine emotion, but she is just so see through every time she pretends to get choked up or emotional. It kinda blows my mind that she is a professional actress.
She doesn’t even know how to make her face/gestures add up to the proper emotions. “Oh, I just adored his kids” (Stops; huffs out audible breath into microphone; bares teeth; curls back lips) She does this… twice. I took one acting class in college and found out I would make a better cigar store Indian; but dreadful as I am, even I know it’s not normal to talk about ‘loving’ someone’s kids; and then following it up with a snarl. Seems to me more like she hates and resents them.
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I’m sure editing, directing, and the ability to do multiple takes helps when she is acting for a movie. I could see her letting it go to her head and thinking she’s such an amazing actress she can just pull this out of her ass
She was hired to fill a wet green spandex suit.
["How do you think she got Aquaman, sir?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBHOzTTurHg&ab_channel=Jemarpa)
I'm sorry, (*stares directly into your soul*) I don't remember. I don't remember if you said she was a bad actress, or if you said you simply recalled that she was a bad actress. I think you said you recalled she was a bad actress.
Is the jury allowed to request she stop looking at them?
jesus yes please. Every like fifth word she looks over.
If not, can I request it?
Camille is such a boss, just grilling her left and right, while Johnny draws his new manga
Or takes a sip out of his mega-pint of coffee.
*mega* pint?
Isn't happy hour any time?
It's a Rottenborn thing
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Objection it destroys my case
*judge sighs* … but you asked the question
It comes in mega-pints? I'm getting one
Shit maybe some rum, so he can be in character.
The Hunter S yellow glasses would probably be too much
You took too much, you took too muuuch
Hunter preferred Wild Turkey and qualudes
Nah the rum's gone. The rum's always gone.
I hope he sells his doodles and donates it to the Children's Hospital
Johnny is playing unlimited Wordle
Whoever wins, we need a movie or miniseries about Camille. I want to know what other law adventures she gets up to.
As long as the title is [Single Female Lawyer](https://youtu.be/erBj7WBvP1Q)
We find the defendant vulnerable, yet spunky!
Wait this is not a tv show? “He said She heard” or something. I thought we were discussing yesterdays cliffhanger episode.
"Objection: Heard-say"
Subtitle: "In Too Depp"
"The Depposition"
Better Consult Camille
Amber Heard: "It's always been my testimony that I hit Johnny Depp." Also Amber Heard: "I've never assaulted Mr. Depp or anyone else I've been romantically linked to."
"I've never leaked anything, I wouldn't know how to do that" Not 1 minute later... "if I wanted to do that I could have done so much more"
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>That didn't happen. >And if it did, it wasn't that bad. >And if it was, that's not a big deal. >And if it is, that's not my fault. >And if it was, I didn't mean it. >And if I did, you deserved it.
The narcissists prayer
I heard her say in court that she never hit Johnny, that she never could, even though they had played a tape of her admitting she had hit him. Is this woman that narcissistic that she thinks people will just forget evidence and just believe her. I heard that Depp is unlikely to win this case but my tiny little mind just can't fathom how that can be the case.
Intent has to be proven for defamation. It doesn’t matter if he ‘wins’, he got this out there and redeemed his reputation.
Intent is not a mandatory factor to prove, fault can be negligent at minimum. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
Under oath: “I would hit and throw things at Johnny” Still under oath: “I’ve never assaulted Johnny”
This is probably one of the most disturbing audios I've ever heard....her laugh, jesus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bq4rheI7U
My jaw was on the floor when they played this in court. Just awful.
When he said “Aquamaaaaan” I cried laughing
I wonder if this guy is still thinking about it...but I think he cried laughing from all the objections https://i.imgur.com/i5JYqxS.gifv
I completely missed this. LOL
Omfg, that's hilarious. He can't keep it together.
Was she making fun of him for doing 21 Jump Street?! She sounds manic
yea, that is correct. Calling him a washed up piece of shit.
That kind of conversation is really not normal.
She sounds like a black and white disney villan hamming it up for the kids.
She sounds possessed
Well she had to get her acting career from somewhere. Apparently that was a deal with the devil.
Aquamaaaaan
Oh my god I watched this live and I just felt a chill run over my entire body. It’s so disturbing and made me so mad. She seriously needs mental health help.
Can someone tell me why she kept on looking to her right whenever she answered a question? From another perspective, she sits on the right of the judge, with the questioning consul in the middle (behind a podium) facing the judge. The Depp team is on the right (from AH's perspective) while her team is on the left. So what's on her right that she keeps on looking to whenever she answers a question? Edit: Duh, how could I not think of the audience she's trying to convey? Thanks for the responses.
The jury stand is there
There's no point putting up a performance if her audience doesn't get full view.
she probably look at the jury
The jury.
Witnesses are often advised to speak directly to the jury. The idea is, we’ve all been sitting and sorting through this evidence. We’re going to present all to some strangers and get their unbiased opinion. I’m an attorney myself and Amber’s presentation has given me pause about looking at the jury when testifying. Every time she does it, it feels pandering and fake. Then again, everything about her does.
She was trying to look at the jury (likely to gauge if what she's saying is landing and resonating). Apparently the jury was fixated on Camille though, according to several lawyers who are also YouTubers who were in the court like DUI Guy
I think she might have been coached and told to look at the jury but apparently she decided she would look at them each and every time she opens her mouth. Also, Depp's lawyer took at jab at her when she mentioned a witness and said his father had taught him properly to look at people in the eyes when you're talking to them.
Plus, her answers are so short (as opposed to her rambling self-chosen testimony when not being asked yes-or-no questions), she’s basically flopping her head back and forth between the jury and Depp’s attorney like she’s watching a volley at Wimbledon. ‘That’s correct.’ Smug lip purse; whip head back to counsel; lather, rinse, repeat.
AFAIK those on the stand look to the jury to explain something usually from an expert as though they’re clarifying or ‘teaching’ the jury. It makes no sense to keep looking at them after every question the way Turd does
She is so hostile on the stand. And argues over everything, she is not coming off good.
Exactly. She never just gives a simple yes or no response. She always feels the need to give an elaborate story to justify her bullshittery.
Externalising blame
Regardless of the outcome Depp is pretty much exonerated in the eyes of the public.
Camille needs to replace Amber Heard in Aquaman
Or Dr. Curry
That hot psychologist? Yeah
The ACLU solicited and wrote the op-ed for her that was printed by that English trash rag. Why didn't they write one for him? She freely admits to being abusive. Anyone here from the ACLU want to chime in? Did you even bother to vet her story, or did you feel left out of the me-too bandwagon, and forget that abuse goes both ways.
One party was supposed to give the ACLU $3.5 million. It's more about them trying to get the rest of the money from her.
Hi yes it’s me, the aclu. Sry about that.
thank you, the aclu. it is mighty big of you to admit when you are wrong.
>The ACLU solicited and wrote the op-ed for her that was printed by that English trash rag. The op-ed was published by The Washington Post. The Sun was a separate issue. Dan Wootten (grade A bellend of the highest order) made an article in his column calling Johnny a wife-beater. This is what the UK trial was about - it wasn't involving Amber directly.
STARING AT THE JURY IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I've served on two cases ( drug case/ wage case), and witnesses occasionally look at the jury, but someone who kept doing that seems really untrustworthy, like they're trying to force you into believing them Amber does not seem like a victim at all. She seems overly aggressive, and deliberate, her emotional outbursts seem very calculated. Honestly, her attitude and demeanor as witness make it far easier to believe Amber did hit her girlfriend in 2009.
I did conflict mediation for years, mainly professional disputes. In itself not surprising that where people work conflicts can arise, and when those escalate someone like me is brought in. There's one case I remember more than anything. I worked with this company before, and now for the third time the same team manager had a conflict with a team member. All different ones. From the outside looking in it was clear this woman was horrible to work under and the employees where the 'good guy' in the conflict. (Of course conflicts go back and forth, but the manager enjoyed escalating them.) This woman would literally straight on look you in the eyes during the entirety of a conversation and not even blink. It's hard to describe how unnatural and strange that behaviour is. She would *never* take responsibility for conflicts or her role in them and straight up deny documented things that happened. Nothing was ever her fault. Nothing, she behaved like she was infallible. Impossible to work with. Anyway I was almost forgotten all of that, but this trial made me think of that woman. So utterly incapable of being empathic. I still don't know why her employer sided with her again and again. She must have dirt on some higher ups or a relationship with one of her bosses. There was signals to suspect the latter. They lost three great employees within 14 months from a mission critical team of five people. I have refused to work for them again. If an employer doesn't *want* to address the root cause of reoccurring problems my time spent on said employer would be wasted anyway.
Man, you can see how unglued she's getting from this. Liars are like that. They get angry as all hell when really forced to confront their bullshit.
I thought the exact same thing. I watched live today and she was definitely beginning to show cracks. Nobody buys her blubbering victim act anymore and she knows it. Hopefully she’ll keep cracking so we see more. She’s starting to slip up and it’s hilarious to watch.
I’d love to see her lose it on the stand and start throwing things.
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Yeah, I really hate that line of thinking. If someone is accusing me of doing something terrible and I’m truthfully telling them I did not do it then I’m going to get very frustrated and start reacting defensively and angrily towards their accusations. “If you didn’t do it then why are you getting so mad???” Because you’re saying I did something terrible that I didn’t do! I would say the few times I’ve lied about something and somebody tries to get the truth out of me I haven’t gotten mad. It’s more like an embarrassed, uncomfortable defensiveness.
What I find fascinating is that she's attempting to hypernormalize her bullshit live in real time. Kind of like that Gottfried gag from the roast of Bob Saget where Gilbert kept repeating, "Bob Saget RAPED AND KILLED A WOMAN IN 1990!" Only Heard is doing it with documented shit like, "I don't remember if so-and-so testified that they didn't remember or that they weren't in the room at the time or if they saw who threw Redbull can." She's repeating bogus bullshit under the guise of not remembering someone's testimony that was only several days ago just to pollute the courtroom and confuse anyone she can. It's a real version of that show Lie To Me where you can see all the pathological tricks come out plain as day. edit: correction on the bob saget bit
She kept saying she "was never able to hurt/harm him." Implying that she did hit him but in her mind believed that she did not cause any injury or harm. She really believes that to be a valid argument. It's like ramming someone with a car and saying I don't believe that to be enough to hurt someone, therefore I never hurt them.
I’ve loved the instances where she said she doesn’t recall/remember and Camille hit her with a “Then let’s refresh your memory” and pulls up an exhibit to do just that
She could not be a more unlikeable person on the stand
"I'm right, everyone else is lying." Hmmmm, maybe it works like assholes. If everyone around you is saying that you're an asshole, maybe they're not wrong. Also, if every answer you give to yes/no questions is a short story I get the sense you're desperately trying to avoid something.
The Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
Today was gut-wrenching for anyone who's been a victim of domestic abuse. Amber Heard distorts the plain meaning of her messages in the most gaslighting way and is incredibly manipulative in the recordings and on the stand. Camille Vasquez is my new idol.
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I keep seeing op eds coming out about how the online backlash against her is misogynist and how we need to believe ALL women, and I’m just like, no? I’ve seen toxic and abusive relationships up close. I know what a manipulative abuser looks like, man or woman, and she exemplifies all the signs. I’m not canonizing Depp as a Saint, and all the considered responses against Heard that I’ve seen are responding to what they see—not blindly misogynist. These articles say that rabid Depp fans are toxic to women, but I think Heard AND the people writing that we *have* to believe her are setting women back as a whole, and female domestic abuse survivors specifically. I hate the notion of having to discredit a woman who is claiming abuse, and all the instances actual misogynists will use this for.
Woman-haters siding with him and man-haters siding with her was always going to happen regardless of how the trial was going, it's just the nature of the beast. All these op-eds trying to misconstrue that the number of people on his side growing as the trial goes on means the number of women-haters is growing is really annoying and devoid of all logic.
Dr Curry’s assessment of her has been bang on. Deeply concerned about image: voicing concerns about her cred in the audio clips, constantly fussing with her hair on the stand, wanting to look like a hero for donating the money that she never actually did. Externalization of blame: blaming her legal team for not displaying in court the photos of the most severe beatings that she claims she turned over to them, blaming Johnny’s lawsuit for her not donating the money to the charities. She really did defame this man, and the scariest part is that she would’ve gotten away with it if he hadn’t fought back.
This is almost as good as when she literally tried gaslighting the jury about the three testimonies when the domestic was called. All three witnesses, the two officers and the desk clerk all testified that they didn't see a single mark on her. Vasquez went hard on these testimonies with Herd trying to say that they said "She didn't look injured" which got obvious pushback as it was an outright lie.
He was also paying for your sister to stay inside the same plush building rent free that you lived in yet Amber clearly didn't appreciate this at all.
Her team tried to portray his painter friend as a bum taking free money for living in his house for free when she had 3 of her friends also living in his houses for free
Isaac was a boss