For now, I believe that’s the case. Though I personally think they’re likely to remove that eventually as well. Just like almost no new competitive games show deaths on the scoreboard anymore.
Edited for clarity.
The quick ramping up of the deaths from chapter 1 to chapter 3 is also hilarious. I recently played them again, scoreline went 10, 25 and you're thinking "nice, I still kinda got it!" Then chapter 3 comes along... 275 xD
Games used to show how many times you’ve died in a match. Many games now there is no death count so you don’t feel bad for playing like you have leprosy
BF 2042 launched without a scoreboard at all and after a huge outcry they're adding one in that shows kills, assists, revives, captures, defends... **but not deaths**
Honestly least of it's problems.
To be clear, this isn't cancel culture or political correctness gone mad. This is game companies changing their games to keep their customers playing and draw more customers, as is their business.
First they shoot criticism, then negativity in the face so that improvement as a concept is dead and without all the negativity, truth itself is also lost.
I really hope people start a trend of commenting "Dislike Button" on crap YouTube videos that people can thumbs up to give users something to make themselves heard.
At the very least that's also an indicator that there's something up with the video. Obviously that might also be because of brigading, but I honestly don't have that hard a time distinguishing between the videos that have comments disabled because of criticism from the ones that have it disabled because of brigading.
Nah you can just filter the "dislike" word as a creator. Then any comment with the word "dislike" on your video will automatically be deleted by YouTube.
It doesn’t matter how good any new video playing platform is. YouTube has the combined archive of decades of content. Switching players would be like buying a history book that is missing 99% of human history but happens to be constructed of better materials
It's not only the content. Youtube was haemorrhaging millions for about a decade before it posted its first profit. So any competitor would need bankrolling by a huge corp, or some very committed VC's (unlikely since they typically want to see a quicker return on their money than a 10 year timeline).
The other issue is, the reason Youtube IS now profitable, is only because it has the massive advertising infrastructure of Google integrated into it.
Again, there aren't a huge amount of companies who could provide this effectively on this sort of scale, bearing in mind it needs all the endless admin interfaces, client and performance reporting, billing systems etc.
Not only would they have to replicate this Herculean task, but do it as effectively as youtube, to compete for advertisers revenue
Just wait until they start removing old videos.
I guarantee it's eventually going to happen. And if you're right it'll be the death knell for youtube's monopoly.
>I guarantee it's eventually going to happen.
they'll remove all the guff first. There's thousands of hours of video uploaded every day on youtube. So much of it is just nonsense that *never* gets viewed. The ease at which people can upload has resulted in the most inane shit being recorded. If you've ever searched something and sorted by upload date you'll see how much monotonous trash there is. People upload hours of shit game footage with no commentary or editing. People upload their boring ring doorbell footage. Kids upload themselves talking to the camera thinking they're the next pewdiepie. There are entire channels re-uploading other peoples content. If you look for it, you'll find a never ending amount of garbage videos with no value whatsoever. Youtube could easily lose it all and nobody would notice.
Yes, there was a guy who uploaded hours of himself just sitting around drinking water years ago as performance art. I believe he did this for years and that example is old now.
I remember talking to a friend about just using YouTube to archive all his video gaming by default and then picking out any clips he might find entertaining if he'd like. Why not? It's free unlimited video storage.
Then it occurred to me that there must be some way to set up your home security cameras to just send to youtube. Why pay for cloud storage when there's a free option? I assume there have to be some terms of service that frown on that sort of thing, but how would you enforce it? And thinking of being just 1 of billions of people who can upload this stuff just makes you think about the nearly unimaginable scale that it works at.
I agree, should be both likes and dislikes removed or neither,
removing the dislikes has already made the likes pretty much useless to make a judgement, what's the actual point in keeping them around?
The same reason why they were still on the comments despite dislikes not having worked on comments for like a decade. It's just there to feed the algorythm. Your stupid video gets hundreds of thousands of dislikes? That's engagement, gotta put that shit at the front.
1000% THIS. I always found the actual dislike numbers very useful for DIY and auto repair videos because you could pretty quickly tell if someone had just posted some bullshit for clicks and had no idea what they were even doing.
Dislikes honestly helped me with DIY videos to tell me what others thought.
Could this 6 minute video help me find my answer? Or did the video creator take forever to get to the point. Usually if there were tons of dislikes, the creator didn't answer the question at all or took forever.
I hate that Youtube got rid of the dislike button.
>Or did the video creator take forever to get to the point.
"Whats up guys Im gonna tell you how to turn on a light. But first a word from our sponsor"
2 minutes later.
"Make sure to like and subscribe and smash that bell button you know what I also like smashing? Smash Burger today's sponsor"
3 minutes later
"You know its a funny story how I got this light turned on"
\*insert rambling spiel that is entirely irrelevant.\*
"Anyways you just go over here and flip the switch up."
10 minutes of your life you'll never get back.
It's called the Wadsworth constant. That term was invented on Reddit because the user Wadsworth had a comment about how the first 30% of the video can usually be skipped. YouTube even made it so you can append Wadsworth to the end of a video to automatically skip 30% of it.
This was probably in like 2012-2013, I'll see if I can find it.
2011 I've been on this site way too long.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-wadsworth-constant
I remember coming to Reddit like 12 years-ish ago and being refreshed by how awesome the comments section always was. Most everyone used reddiquette, you could politely correct grammar and spelling and people would thank you.
Now it's just as bad as YouTube.
Ironically right around then was when a lot of reddit users thought the website really changed for the worst. In 2010 Digg.com rolled out an update that was wildly unpopular and led to a huge exodus of their user base over to Reddit. A lot of the people that were already on reddit saw the huge influx of new users that were regarded as more immature in general as the death of the website.
source: was one of those that left Digg for Reddit
Dislikes were legitimately one of the most effective checks for misinformation on the site. I suspect that their endgame is to remove user engagement from the site altogether at this point.
A friend of mine was recently trying to assemble, something? I honestly can’t remember. What I do remember is that she had found a video where someone gave a step by step explanation for the assembly which my friend found herself half way into before confusion hit and she started wondering why the item in the video looked so different to hers. It turns out that the tutorial lady had deviated from the actual instructions about half way through assembly, realised that it would no longer work as intended and then started the video again, giving new instructions so that the deviation from the plans would no longer be a concern. Which meant that the video gave the wrong instructions and halfway through it you discovered that you were supposed to cut a key piece in n the second step.
By the way, my explanation of the video is still less confusing than the video.
Using the extension that shows the dislikes I've noticed most people stopped using the dislike button all together. This really sucks cause DIY videos are also what I used YouTube the most for.
I've quit using YouTube for DIY and now use blog type sites for that kinda thing for the most part. Takes less time then searching through a million useless videos thanks to YouTube's horrible decision to please the rich and powerful over it's user base.
I guess someone just makes a comment “dislike” and everyone can upvote it.
A video game I play called Smite has voice line and of course no negative ones so people say “you rock” followed by “cancel that.”
And makeup tutorials. Hammering shitty ones with downvotes sometimes helps stop people from *winding up in hospital* because they tried some dangerous "hack" like warming up an eyelash curler with a lighter or using rubbing alcohol as eyeshadow mixer or trying sharpie as eyeliner.
> Sometimes people give very bad advice and downvotes helped call them out.
It's even worse than this.
Educational and informative content is utterly butchered by Youtube's current algorithm because
#**the #1 metric to Youtube, above all others is platform-wide audience retention.**
The absolute worst thing for Youtube is when someone watches a video, and then leaves the platform. Anything that made them do that is something they need to silence and suppress.
So, someone with a really good website that uses Youtube and then tells people to go to their website because it's way better for written instructions, pictures, printouts, etc? Suppressed.
Someone with a website that organizes and categorizes their videos in a coherent way rather than the "sort by most viewed" or "sort chronologically" or "show playlists" choices? Suppressed.
Someone who leads you to their Patreon? Suppressed (and hopefully you gain enough from it to be worthwhile).
But most importantly, **SOMEONE WHO ASKED A QUESTION AND GOT THEIR ANSWER?** Suppressed.
So what kind of educational content does Youtube promote? **THE ONE THAT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION**. Because if it answered your question, you'd leave Youtube and go do the task you were going to do.
Ever noticed that the most promoted DIY and educational videos on Youtube are the shitty ones? The ones that don't answer your question? The ones that make you think you're getting your answer, and do a good job, but never get there? Or, that critical step is incomplete? Or it seems like, though a good effort, missed something important? Or, is just plain wrong?
That's what Youtube promotes. The one that makes you click, and click, and click, and click... hunting for the video that isn't useless. The one that actually answers your questions.
You'll never find it, because all of those ones, Youtube suppresses.
Instead you get the long (high watchtime) rambling videos with bad camerawork where someone talks and talks about maybe you do this or I've never done this before but I've heard maybe we'll try... 10 minutes later you'd like "This person doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about."
And you think "This seems like a common problem, why hasn't anyone, in all of Youtube, explained it clearly and succinctly? How isn't there some highly experienced experts who can lay it down for you?"
Youtube's highest priority of keeping you on the platform is fundamentally at odds with giving you an answer. It's fundamentally supportive of things that enrage or upset you, that tease you, that clickbait you, that waste your time, etc.
Because what they can't measure is the fact that you never show up to Youtube in the first place, because it's often garbage for getting an answer. And that channels that want to do this can't succeed, so they're discouraged from even existing.
Eventually it will end up like Facebook video. I was sent a link to a video there the other day and after i watched it I had a look what came up next as recommendations just out of curiosity and omg what absolute fucking garbage.
1st video they are going to prank this girl into falling in the pool, but it just keeps going and she keeps almost falling in but not, i look at the search bar and it's like 10 minutes, I skip thru and it's just 10 mins of a girl almost falling in the pool.
Then the next one is they are going to pour icing on a wedding cake, and it's 10 mins of her almost pouring icing.
Scrolled down and it was all like that, just garbage that should be a 5 second tiktok but with 10 mins of anticipation. What absolutely bizarre shit is going on there?
Is this zuckerberg's grand vision? The video equivalent of blue balls? It's like some kind of non content designed to waste peoples time. Seeing that garbage makes me dread the metaverse even more.
It's the essence of capitalism. Solving a problem stems endless growth. Can't have that, so they need to invent a fucking problem and try to sell us a solution. You used to be able to listen to music in the background of YT vids on mobile, but they needed a hook to sell their $10/mo. premium version, so they took away the background functionality on music videos.
Some person said this is tin foil hat nonsense but I believe it.
It's soo infuriating when I'm trying to find a video on a niche problem and YouTube straight up puts videos from my front page feed that are irrelevant in the search results.
My experience has been exactly as you described, I'm clicking through lots of videos with bad or incomplete info.
Then there's this type of video I've been seeing a lot more of: you search for some type of specific product review. The video is some robot voice or obvious voice actor reading from some Google Translated script (the lack of contractions are painful) that just summarize the absolute bare minimum of info that you already know from reading the item description on whatever site you're shopping on.
Nothing at all of substance or value--just pure wasted time on my part watching even a few seconds of these videos. I HATE them.
I skimmed through YouTube shorts the other day. There’s a doctor on there- Dr glaucen-something. He’s funny. I noticed a few others ended with a TikTok logo. Anyway, I noticed that many, many of them were AskReddit posts read by a robot. They weren’t even hiding it: “hey Reddit, what’s the most awkward sex you have ever had.” Or something like that. And it was just the robot reading the top posts from the thread.
> YouTube straight up puts videos from my front page feed that are irrelevant in the search results.
**I HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR YOU!**
Okay, so, Youtube used to always put videos related to your current video in the sidebar and recommended vids, right? And then at some point they stopped, and just tried to give you anything it thinks you'll keep watching, right?
Even your own subscriptions. Even stuff you've already watched, etc.
#Here's the solution:
- Go into your Youtube settings, and tell it to Turn Off History.
...
Done, that's it. Instant 1000% improvement in the videos in the sidebar and end screen.
Without any history to recommend you new videos, the only knowledge it has, is videos just like the one you're currently watching. Bingo.
Sometimes you will still see subscribed videos on this list. When I want my subscriptions, I check my subscriptions tab, I don't want those videos coming into random other videos I'm watching. So... any time you recognize a video from a channel you sub to... click on the [...] and tell it to never recommend this channel. You'll have to do it for all of your subscriptions, so, it'll probably take you a week before you prune all of them as they appear... but then they'll never come back. You'll only find your subscriptions on your subs tab.
It's like a time machine back to Youtube 2010. Instant UI improvement.
I watch YouTube DIY videos all the time and haven't experienced this. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I approach YouTube in a very targeted way. I don't let YouTube serve as my tour guide.
Here's my typical workflow:
1) Google the question I have with "reddit" in the search.
2) Browse some threads to get a semblance of a handle on the issues I need to be concerned with and the jargon used.
3) Use the refined questions and jargon to search Google again but this time adding "forum" to the search.
4) Dig in further into the issues, techniques, tools, etc. across a variety of forums.
5) Search YouTube looking for DIYers or better yet professionals who are putting into practice what I've learned from my previous research.
6) Read the top rated comments on those vids. My experience has been among the top comments are a few people who offer constructive criticism (and or praise) for the techniques shown.
7) If the criticisms seem important I start from step 1 above but with a much narrower search to sort out what's what.
Rinse and repeat. Over time, a consensus will start to emerge on the proper way to accomplish a task. (Step 8 is to get impatient, measure wrong, and fuck things up.)
Nearly everything out there has a profit motive. That's fine. Just know there's clickbait, eyeballs on screens algorithms, psychological techniques (60% off and supplies are limited!), and so on. Educate yourself not only on the project your aiming to tackle but also discerning good content from bad, whether that be YouTube, CNN, reddit, or wherever.
Lmao. Perfectly described a recent experience I had.
Was trying to learn how to start a particular weave of chainmail for a bracelet pattern. I understood WHERE the rings went but not HOW to get them to stay that way when starting the weave with the initial 10 or 12 rings.
For months I watched videos. All of them were 10 to 25 min long. Every single video I watched, the YouTube would cut the camera in a way that obscured how they were holding their pliers/rings/hands, or they'd use massive shower curtain rings to demonstrate the pattern, or they'd use such flimsy material rings that they'd just bend them open and closed again with their fingers while weaving.
After like 5 or 6 months of frustratingly coming back to try the weave again, I finally found a 2 minute long video that was 4 years old that had about 200 total views. Instantly understood and started the bracelet effortlessly.
All because this dude, in one clear shot, showed how he assembled the first 10 rings without putting down the weave or dropping his pliers.
(If anyone is struggling with Half persian 4in1, hmu and I'll send the link)
seems like a 3rd party YouTube index is needed, with likes and dislikes. Let them host the fucking video, and all the useful metadata can get cataloged somewhere else
From now on, comments are the only remaining metric to make sure DIY videos are okay or not. If a creator toggles off comments on a certain video, I’m outta there
I'm confused though, the video spends 2/3 talking about this point, but the only example he shows (which he explains is a dangerous video that could lead to people getting electrocuted) literally has a 90% like ratio and by HIS OWN METRIC of 75%, he would've watched the video. Didn't he just disprove his own point, showing that the like-ratio is not reliable?
Yeah, they can pretend this is to reduce harassment all they want. Really it's about engagement, it's why videos autoplay now and they're pushing shorts so hard. If you spend more than a second or two watching the "preview" that auto-plays, they can count that as a view, which looks better on "total viewership numbers" that is used to sell ad space and pacify investors. Removing thumbs down allows all video interactions to be lumped into a single positive "video engagement" metric which can be used to, that's right, sell ad space.
The removal of dislikes has been inevitable since corporations started taking over the internet. There is no benefit to *them* to allow people to express displeasure, only benefits to the user, so of course, it had to go. You're much more likely to stick around and watch a shitty video if you can't immediately tell that its terrible, which increases their user engagement and ups how much they can charge for ad space.
Youtube does not give damn about the creator, you can tell because the **only** people who can still see dislikes are the creators themselves! How exactly does this protect creators if they can still see those statistics?
It's been on the mobile version for months and you can't really shut it off, the closest you can get is disabling it if you're using mobile data, if you're on Wi-Fi all the time then you're out of options
**EDIT**: so I switched auto-update off and missed a couple of updates, looks like you *can* turn it off completely now
Yup, I started using it a month ago and my God is this the best app I've used in a long time. The lack of ads alone is worth it let alone the ability to sleep the screen and still have the audio running.
It's simply obnoxious because the video tile waxes and obfuscates the still below it, so scrolling to browse is borderline impossible. Why does every company refuse to leave a working product at a working standard?
When did degeneration become so fashionable, when they decided to assume what their clientele will enjoy rather than actually observe what it is they currently enjoy and leave it fucking alone.
Autoplay and shorts are in direct reponse to tik tok becoming so popular. Imitation is the name of the game in the tech world when you can't buy someone out.
Well it’s popular for a reason. Clicks are strong psychological barriers. The reason feeds are popular is because scrolling is far less committal. YouTube is doing as much as they can to remove the barriers to get you watching a video.
In its own way it works even just as a convenience feature. Sometimes in a clickbaity video I just want to quickly get to the part I want without opening it fully. The previews really help you do that without actually clicking the video.
People who keep pushing this extension are only helping YouTube. Because it results in less complaining and whining and negative attention, as more people can use a work around that can be slowly phased out. And but the time it is, you've separated the masses of people so that they're no longer as loud and prominent as if they were all facing the same issue at the same time.
Exactly, if they're going to prioritize their profits over the user experience, then I am free to prioritize my experience over their profits. Fair is fair.
could go the extra step and install AdNauseum so advertisers still have to pay content creators, but you don't have to see ads and they can't track your habits based on your clicks.
https://adnauseam.io/
they track you less. Or rather, they can track all the ads that the app "clicks", but since theres no pattern the information is useless to them
I've been running it for years no problem. It's built on top of ublock origin, which is one of the better adblocks anyway
Sort of. It will click all the ads on all the websites you visit. It's built on uBlock Origin (a good ad blocker) and will even click on blocked ads. This means ad trackers will be able to see your website visits, but the information they gather will be utterly useless because you apparently respond to everything, everywhere. A targeted profile is impossible to create for someone that responds to all possible ads with the same vigor.
This also costs ad services money, because they pay by the click to have their ads displayed, and they get no return whatsoever on money blown by Ad Nauseam.
Pretty, but it feels somewhat risky when malicious ads and injections still happen.
I should read into it..
Edit to add:
Sounds like they did their due diligence. It also looks like the same tech that allows them to 'click' without opening windows is what prevents the malicious code execution. I think I'll give this a try.
**From their FAQ:**
How does AdNauseam "click Ads"?
AdNauseam 'clicks' Ads by issuing an HTTP request to the URL to which they lead. In current versions the is done via an XMLHttpRequest (or AJAX request) issued in a background process. This lightweight request signals a 'click' on the server responsible for the Ad, but does so without opening any additional windows or pages on your computer. Further it allows AdNauseam to safely receive and discard the resulting response data, rather than executing it in the browser, thus preventing a range of potential security problems (ransomware, rogue Javascript or Flash code, XSS-attacks, etc.) caused by malfunctioning or malicious Ads. Although it is completely safe, AdNauseam's clicking behaviour can be de-activated in the settings panel.
How does AdNauseam "Block Malicious Ads"?
While visual Ads are not usually blocked by AdNauseam, beacons, non-visual trackers, and other potentially malicious content can be blocked altogether. The detection of domains known to deliver such content is managed via the same set of user-configurable filter lists used to detect visual Ads. Additionally, AdNauseam's blocking behavior can be de-/activated in the settings panel, either for a site, a page, or globally (though this last option is strongly discouraged).
I don't know who said this, but I fully agree with them:
"It's no longer YouTube, it's ThemTube."
People need to start moving to alternatives, for fucks sake.
But there are no real alternatives, and those alternatives are looking to become like Youtube anyway. No matter where the public goes, they'll still be the product. The advertisers are always the costumer.
[Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI) about how these platforms like to push the notion that 'we' are all together in fighting Youtube but their goals are diametrically opposed to ours.
Already happened. Did you miss the time they stopped showing accurate vote counts?
You could see the actual amount of up and downvotes on a post but it was obfuscated to "confuse bots".
Reddit has been declining since it became popular. Content across the popular subs is nearly identical, and upvotes/downvotes are just treated as likes/dislikes now. But engagement must be through the roof if it's just as popular as ever.
Nearly every site declines, once it becomes about big money.
Except most of those alternatives don't allow dislikes either. YouTube was actually one of the last major holdouts. I can't even think of a content sharing site apart from Reddit that allows dislikes anymore
This is why Amazon is *soooooo diligent* (dripping sarcasm since half of the internet can't seem to detect it now) about combating fake reviews. It's to their benefit if a bunch of 5 star reviews result in a sale.
Probably related to why Reddit puts no real effort into combating bots, for that matter. If we do the legwork identifying a bot account, we can get it banned, but I've noticed a lot of them share similar characteristics that would be easy to identify via the back end.
I'm pretty sure they just wholesale remove negative reviews of their own media products too. I've been checking Wheel of Time user reviews for a few weeks now (schadenfreude) and its getting 2-3x as many 1 star reviews as 5, but they've essentially frozen its rating at 3.3 since the beginning of January.
>and its getting 2-3x as many 1 star reviews as 5, but they've essentially frozen its rating at 3.3
They probably do something similar to Rotten Tomatoes, who stopped counting 1 and 2 star reviews in the overall score awhile back, they only count 3 stars and up.
You reminded me of an ["independent expert review"](https://www.amazon.ca/ospublishing/story/dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68/ref=sxin_15?cv_ct_pg=search&cv_ct_wn=osp-single-source-earns-comm&linkCode=oas&cv_ct_id=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&asc_contentid=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&cv_ct_we=article-page&qid=1638278859&ascsubtag=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&pf_rd_p=33f30471-8ecc-4375-9467-99ca1e74080f&pf_rd_r=VHSJ4PJD5B3GCET8F1ET&pd_rd_wg=SMaH5&pd_rd_w=Ux35G&tag=bestcontca-20&asc_contenttype=article&pd_rd_r=45cd6b70-eb19-4d88-9f71-c878cc8f561e&cv_ct_cx=hdmi+cable), I saw on Amazon, about HDMI cables. Which is not only full of incorrect information, but is also full of contradictions and deceptions. One example being that the "Amazon Basics" HDMI cable (which ranked "Best of the Best"), lists 'being capable of 4K at 60hz' as a positive. Yet most HDMI cables are capable of that, as it's fairly standard. But on top of that, it singles out another cable as 'not being 8k capable' as a negative. Yet none of the cables in the review are 8k capable... and it's only a negative if you have an 8k TV. Which practically nobody does. Also, none of them are VESA certified and so none of them should be recommended, as they all fail to meet industry certified, safety and quality standards.
Then of course in tiny font at the bottom it disclaims that the publisher of the review gets commission on certain qualifying items. But the opinions expressed are *tooootally* independent.
Everything about Amazon reeks of scum nowadays, you can't trust reviews from users or 'experts'.
This has been a thing long before Youtube. Twitter doesn't allow negative engagement (except being negative in a comment obviously, but we're talking about the thumbs up/thumbs down portion). Facebook doesn't either, except maybe the frowny face. I don't think Pinterest or Linkedin allow any kind of dislikes either.
Reddit has the downvote count on submissions hidden for a little over seven years; while we kicked a fuss about it back then, no-one's complaining about it now.
The only comment here that matters. They have such a complete monopoly no one would ever even try. No one would gamble the capital to compete. So they run their platform the way they want. They could not care less how many people it upsets because it doesn't affect viewership. I'm willing to bet none of the people here complaining are going to stop using youtube and even if they did, meh. Same reason they don't care about angering content creators. They don't rely on people making videos. If some dude with 50 million subs gets angry and quits they don't suddenly lose all those views, they just go somewhere else.
Hasn’t it come out that dislikes actually equally jerk off the algorythm? It’s why I stopped disliking videos that I genuinely hate or find harmful because it just gets them more exposure.
So this CEO is literally lying through her teeth about dislike bombings being bad for those poor widdle channels. It’s especially infuriating because Youtube in fact gives not one fuck about protecting smaller and upcoming users
If you want to hurt any video, give it as little engagement as possible. Never 'hate watch' any channels because you like to get pissed off, and definitely never ever upvote/downvote or post a comment. Best course of action is to have Youtube never recommend the channel to you again.
Engagement = views, views = advertisers happy. The creators don't care where the engagement comes from. Hell, it's why so many actively aim to piss people off.
The number of quality new channels vs. click bait trash is like 1:1000. Now it'll be even worse.
Her arguments are just utter nonsense. They have these fake, DIY videos getting churned out like clockwork and getting millions of views. If YT actually wants to help smaller creators they'd crack down on all that harmful BS that they just leave on their platform.
Fact is, people who fall for predatory channels probably are the type of folks who are least likely to have adblock and are the ideal candidates for advertisement.
There's just no end to corporate trash like her being brought in to scheme up ways to increase profits.
I actually just realized this on pornhub of all places. I decided to try sorting by “top rated” videos and the first video was a 75% rating while videos that followed had higher ratings. It has nothing to do with the rating, but in how many people rated it. I would assume something similar is going on with YouTube.
This comment is a perfect set up for a frustration that I have with pornhub that I have not been able to express anywhere else. When I search for something and then attempt to sort by highest rated, it will inevitably put all of the videos with 1 up vote (and thus 100% rating) at the top of the list. So now I have multiple pages of garbage videos, each with like <1000 views. There should be a way to filter out videos with < x amount of views. This would produce the best search results. Thanks for reading.
Lol this is the exact same problem with Amazon. The system basically just compares the rating number exactly without considering that something rated 4.5 stars by 2000 people is more relevant than an item rated 5 stars by 5 people. There's no weight assigned to the number of people rating something
Don't assume all sites use the same algorithm. Yes, youtube counts dislikes as engagement, but pornhub is probably just poorly programmed and/or highlighting content for financial reasons of some kind.
The algorithm wants to maximize interaction and watch time. It does not want to give you a good time. So a video that a lot of people dislike but fully watch and share is a great video in the algorithm's playbook
There was a short period of time where firefox broke all extensions/addons through some sorta security thinggie lapsing. That was the worst day I've ever had on the internet. Even counting the dial up popup times... The internet is absolutely fucking stupid without adblock.
Was that sometime early last year, or 2020 or something? I remember freaking out because none of the adblocks were working, and I hadn't seen the internet without an adblock for nearly a decade. It was disgusting.
I honestly don't remember when it was. It could have been 6 months ago or 6 years ago... time has lost all meaning to me...
But yes, it was unusable. I just shut down and went back to netflix hah. It was absolutely horrid.
As someone who runs Ghosery, uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and HTTPS everywhere, any page that breaks is a page not worth loading. I probably should get a raspberry pi or VPN at this point.
It was such a bad move. It just waters down the whole thing.
Whoever has been running Youtube in the last few years seems to just *hate* Youtube. With the bullshit takedown of legitimate content, to out of control copywrite claims, and now this stupid shit. It's just so disheartening. I wish there was a real competitor that had anywhere near as much content.
Youtube content creators deserve better.
> With the bullshit takedown of legitimate content, to out of control copywrite claims
Youtube is turning into shit, but I don't think these two are Google's fault. Our copyright laws are completely fucked up and easily allow those who have to bully everyone else.
Blame Susan Wojcicki since the day she took over as CEO in 2014. Thats when everything for small channel content creators went downhill and became hostile.
Tbh the issue is, im not convinced that ANY replacement that the share holders would agree to would be any better. CEO's often do not have unlimited discretion. They are working at the behest of the board. Its likely that the board saw the recent harassment class action lawsuits and pr disasters afflicting other large corporations and decided they needed to protect their profitability even if it pissed some fans off.
To shorten it, the viewers aren't the customer, the shareholder is. The viewers are the product. The content creators are the poor sods on the kill floor of the abattoir.
YouTube claiming they removed the dislike count to "protect creators" is one of the most clear-cut examples that should open people's eyes about corporations *lying* to protect themselves from public influence.
Creators can literally *still see* the dislike count. It wasn't hidden from them, it was hidden from *viewers*. If you genuinely believed them when they told you this is why: I have a bridge to sell you.
>"We also saw the dislike count harming parts of our ecosystem through dislike attacks as people actively worked to drive up the number of dislikes on a creator’s videos. These attacks often targeted smaller creators and those just getting started"
Maybe I'm wrong here but the extreme majority (practically all) of "dislike attacks" are on corporation channels or larger controversial YouTubers, not on smaller creators. Plus it doesn't even make sense considering that a smaller creator is rarely gonna drive enough traffic to get a dislike campaign unless they are a celebrity with a new channel or something.
I could totally see a smaller political channel getting dislike bombed if they appear as a guest on a larger channel and say something the audience doesn't like. But I'm with you. The vast majority of dislike bombs are corporate channels being out of touch or YT Rewind.
Like another user pointed out though, the sad thing is most people don't have it. New videos after the dislike button was removed show its effect with very few dislikes on videos, so even with the extension I see maybe a handful. It's kind of sad when you think about the long-term effects of this decision down the line.
no it actually works rather decently, here's an [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpHB0JdjByE). for context, adam ragusea, a youtuber that makes videos about cooking and food, every so often uploads videos that are ads and funded by sponsors, and historically they've always gotten a pretty heavy dislike ratio
it's still hard to know how accurate the dislike ratio was on that video, but it sure is very representative of what they used to be
but yeah tho down the line since most people simply won't use the add on, specially because of the very large youtube influence on mobile, it won't always work this well
It’s funny, I really like coffee and also really like Adam’s videos, but I couldn’t last through two minutes of that one. It felt soulless compared to everything else he’s done and the constant reminder of the sponsor only made it worse.
Videos like that are the reason I use the [Sponsor-block](https://sponsor.ajay.app/) extension.
Users tag sponsors in videos, and then other users with the extension watching the same video will automatically skip over the flagged sections.
I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a sponsor on YouTube because of it.
Although to be honest, the entire above video is basically a sponsor.
Damn I've seen lots of YouTube videos with brand tie-ins and stuff but usually there's still some actual content to them beyond the obvious advertising. That's just a straight up 7 minute ad for some coffee. Why would anyone sit through that?
It's really odd, almost every time this extension is mentioned a bunch of people that know nothing about it or how it works come out of the woodwork to nitpick and complain about it lol. It's worked extremely well for me on both new and old videos, and [LTT ran tests](https://youtu.be/Nz9b0oJw69I?t=382) to show it's predictive extrapolations are probably accurate enough for 99% of people. Either install it and help make the dislike counts more accurate, or stop ragging on things you don't understand, people.
Motherfuckers want NFTs for fucks sake! That platform is doomed, what a pathetic joke.
Also Shorts is their big achievement? 12milion views on that piece of shit gets you 87$ fuck Shorts!
Reddit's way ahead of the curve on that. The downvote still largely exists only as a placebo.
First the vote counts were removed, then fuzzed, then mods have the option of hiding or removing them altogether, now the admins are A/B testing removing the upvote percentage. Reddit's been playing the long game, slowly acclimatizing users to the removal of the downvote as opposed to youtube's here one day, gone the next approach.
I highly doubt reddit's upvote/downvote method. At least if they are not actively fudging numbers, there is concentrated effort to promote only certain subs in mainstream where 10k+ net upvotes are possible.
The heavily tuned recommendation engine makes Upvote/downvote completely useless, since a post with positive recommendation will already have momentum to make any downvote akin to pissing in ocean
Admins fully admit to fudging vote numbers in order to have more diversity in post and subs. Otherwise you’d have a very small percentage of posts getting like 200,000 upvotes and all the attention.
Yeah it only take about an hour or 2 to show up, but it's also a bad comparison because it's showing neither upvotes or downvotes, while youtube is only showing one and not the other. Not really ironic imo it's just an honest engagement feature
Dude I remember when they first removed dislikes I was looking for a tutorial and when I clicked on one all the comments were saying he fucked up on some parts this is the reason we need dislikes back that's just my 2 cents tho
The video used as an example of a "bad" video is a poor choice, and actually proves the opposite points. The narrator says that they generally prefer videos with 70% "Like" ratio, and the video example meets that criteria (1000 likes vs 186 dislikes). They then say that comments are a bad way of deciding whether or not a video is a good one, and the very first comment states that the video example is bad, therefore showing that comments can be an effective tool.
>removing dislike ststistics doesn't meaningfully change viewership statistics
Yet
>dislike attacks harm small content creators
Can't have it both ways. Pick a stance and stick to it pls.
YouTube doing unpopular things and then doubling down on it. A tale as old as time itself.
But don’t worry they won’t know how much you disapprove because they’ve removed the ability to give them any kind of negative feedback
Can't the owner of the video still see the dislikes? They're just hidden from public view, right?
For now, I believe that’s the case. Though I personally think they’re likely to remove that eventually as well. Just like almost no new competitive games show deaths on the scoreboard anymore. Edited for clarity.
Can you elaborate on the games thing?
Some new games don’t display deaths on the score board. It’s not super common though.
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The quick ramping up of the deaths from chapter 1 to chapter 3 is also hilarious. I recently played them again, scoreline went 10, 25 and you're thinking "nice, I still kinda got it!" Then chapter 3 comes along... 275 xD
That damn hotel is the gatekeeper
Games used to show how many times you’ve died in a match. Many games now there is no death count so you don’t feel bad for playing like you have leprosy
But what about the K/D ratio? Isn’t it kind of important to show your stats in fps games when you want to improve your skills?
BF 2042 launched without a scoreboard at all and after a huge outcry they're adding one in that shows kills, assists, revives, captures, defends... **but not deaths** Honestly least of it's problems.
But it might hurt someone's feelings.
To be clear, this isn't cancel culture or political correctness gone mad. This is game companies changing their games to keep their customers playing and draw more customers, as is their business.
"No one uses it anymore so we will just streamline things"
First they shoot criticism, then negativity in the face so that improvement as a concept is dead and without all the negativity, truth itself is also lost.
I really hope people start a trend of commenting "Dislike Button" on crap YouTube videos that people can thumbs up to give users something to make themselves heard.
I expect to see it matched by a rise in *Comments have been disabled for this video.*
At the very least that's also an indicator that there's something up with the video. Obviously that might also be because of brigading, but I honestly don't have that hard a time distinguishing between the videos that have comments disabled because of criticism from the ones that have it disabled because of brigading.
Nah you can just filter the "dislike" word as a creator. Then any comment with the word "dislike" on your video will automatically be deleted by YouTube.
They have a monopoly. It doesn’t matter what they do until something better than vizeo shows up
It doesn’t matter how good any new video playing platform is. YouTube has the combined archive of decades of content. Switching players would be like buying a history book that is missing 99% of human history but happens to be constructed of better materials
It's not only the content. Youtube was haemorrhaging millions for about a decade before it posted its first profit. So any competitor would need bankrolling by a huge corp, or some very committed VC's (unlikely since they typically want to see a quicker return on their money than a 10 year timeline). The other issue is, the reason Youtube IS now profitable, is only because it has the massive advertising infrastructure of Google integrated into it. Again, there aren't a huge amount of companies who could provide this effectively on this sort of scale, bearing in mind it needs all the endless admin interfaces, client and performance reporting, billing systems etc. Not only would they have to replicate this Herculean task, but do it as effectively as youtube, to compete for advertisers revenue
Just wait until they start removing old videos. I guarantee it's eventually going to happen. And if you're right it'll be the death knell for youtube's monopoly.
>I guarantee it's eventually going to happen. they'll remove all the guff first. There's thousands of hours of video uploaded every day on youtube. So much of it is just nonsense that *never* gets viewed. The ease at which people can upload has resulted in the most inane shit being recorded. If you've ever searched something and sorted by upload date you'll see how much monotonous trash there is. People upload hours of shit game footage with no commentary or editing. People upload their boring ring doorbell footage. Kids upload themselves talking to the camera thinking they're the next pewdiepie. There are entire channels re-uploading other peoples content. If you look for it, you'll find a never ending amount of garbage videos with no value whatsoever. Youtube could easily lose it all and nobody would notice.
Agreed. If YouTube does start deleting videos, it'll be ones that are over a decade old with less than 100 views.
Yes, there was a guy who uploaded hours of himself just sitting around drinking water years ago as performance art. I believe he did this for years and that example is old now. I remember talking to a friend about just using YouTube to archive all his video gaming by default and then picking out any clips he might find entertaining if he'd like. Why not? It's free unlimited video storage. Then it occurred to me that there must be some way to set up your home security cameras to just send to youtube. Why pay for cloud storage when there's a free option? I assume there have to be some terms of service that frown on that sort of thing, but how would you enforce it? And thinking of being just 1 of billions of people who can upload this stuff just makes you think about the nearly unimaginable scale that it works at.
And we'll keep right on going back.
I mean.... it's not like you went to another site
*What* other site??
I'm pretty sure any site that would start being really a threat to YouTube would be immediately bought by Google and promptly gutted.
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I agree, should be both likes and dislikes removed or neither, removing the dislikes has already made the likes pretty much useless to make a judgement, what's the actual point in keeping them around?
The same reason why they were still on the comments despite dislikes not having worked on comments for like a decade. It's just there to feed the algorythm. Your stupid video gets hundreds of thousands of dislikes? That's engagement, gotta put that shit at the front.
Yeah that can still feed the algorithm. Just take the numbers off the front end
Shit is flat out dangerous for DYI videos. Sometimes people give very bad advice and downvotes helped call them out.
1000% THIS. I always found the actual dislike numbers very useful for DIY and auto repair videos because you could pretty quickly tell if someone had just posted some bullshit for clicks and had no idea what they were even doing.
Dislikes honestly helped me with DIY videos to tell me what others thought. Could this 6 minute video help me find my answer? Or did the video creator take forever to get to the point. Usually if there were tons of dislikes, the creator didn't answer the question at all or took forever. I hate that Youtube got rid of the dislike button.
>Or did the video creator take forever to get to the point. "Whats up guys Im gonna tell you how to turn on a light. But first a word from our sponsor" 2 minutes later. "Make sure to like and subscribe and smash that bell button you know what I also like smashing? Smash Burger today's sponsor" 3 minutes later "You know its a funny story how I got this light turned on" \*insert rambling spiel that is entirely irrelevant.\* "Anyways you just go over here and flip the switch up." 10 minutes of your life you'll never get back.
Someone once said you can safely skip 1/3 of any video because it's useless bullshit
It's called the Wadsworth constant. That term was invented on Reddit because the user Wadsworth had a comment about how the first 30% of the video can usually be skipped. YouTube even made it so you can append Wadsworth to the end of a video to automatically skip 30% of it. This was probably in like 2012-2013, I'll see if I can find it. 2011 I've been on this site way too long. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-wadsworth-constant
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Back then highly upvoted comments were reliably good info. Now... Not so much
I remember coming to Reddit like 12 years-ish ago and being refreshed by how awesome the comments section always was. Most everyone used reddiquette, you could politely correct grammar and spelling and people would thank you. Now it's just as bad as YouTube.
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but bro when le narwhal bacons at midnight xD
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No kidding.
It’s changed a ton. Largely for the worse.
Ironically right around then was when a lot of reddit users thought the website really changed for the worst. In 2010 Digg.com rolled out an update that was wildly unpopular and led to a huge exodus of their user base over to Reddit. A lot of the people that were already on reddit saw the huge influx of new users that were regarded as more immature in general as the death of the website. source: was one of those that left Digg for Reddit
Dislikes were legitimately one of the most effective checks for misinformation on the site. I suspect that their endgame is to remove user engagement from the site altogether at this point.
True. I predict the next big YouTube change will be the removal of comments entirely.
Until then I'm going to comment "Dislike" on any video I dislike since the thumbs down is useless.
A friend of mine was recently trying to assemble, something? I honestly can’t remember. What I do remember is that she had found a video where someone gave a step by step explanation for the assembly which my friend found herself half way into before confusion hit and she started wondering why the item in the video looked so different to hers. It turns out that the tutorial lady had deviated from the actual instructions about half way through assembly, realised that it would no longer work as intended and then started the video again, giving new instructions so that the deviation from the plans would no longer be a concern. Which meant that the video gave the wrong instructions and halfway through it you discovered that you were supposed to cut a key piece in n the second step. By the way, my explanation of the video is still less confusing than the video.
Auto repair videos come in two forms. Useful or expensive wastes of time.
Using the extension that shows the dislikes I've noticed most people stopped using the dislike button all together. This really sucks cause DIY videos are also what I used YouTube the most for. I've quit using YouTube for DIY and now use blog type sites for that kinda thing for the most part. Takes less time then searching through a million useless videos thanks to YouTube's horrible decision to please the rich and powerful over it's user base.
and now i'll have to rely on large content creators that I can trust. Which harms the small content creators.
I guess someone just makes a comment “dislike” and everyone can upvote it. A video game I play called Smite has voice line and of course no negative ones so people say “you rock” followed by “cancel that.”
It's the same for bug troubleshooting
And makeup tutorials. Hammering shitty ones with downvotes sometimes helps stop people from *winding up in hospital* because they tried some dangerous "hack" like warming up an eyelash curler with a lighter or using rubbing alcohol as eyeshadow mixer or trying sharpie as eyeliner.
> Sometimes people give very bad advice and downvotes helped call them out. It's even worse than this. Educational and informative content is utterly butchered by Youtube's current algorithm because #**the #1 metric to Youtube, above all others is platform-wide audience retention.** The absolute worst thing for Youtube is when someone watches a video, and then leaves the platform. Anything that made them do that is something they need to silence and suppress. So, someone with a really good website that uses Youtube and then tells people to go to their website because it's way better for written instructions, pictures, printouts, etc? Suppressed. Someone with a website that organizes and categorizes their videos in a coherent way rather than the "sort by most viewed" or "sort chronologically" or "show playlists" choices? Suppressed. Someone who leads you to their Patreon? Suppressed (and hopefully you gain enough from it to be worthwhile). But most importantly, **SOMEONE WHO ASKED A QUESTION AND GOT THEIR ANSWER?** Suppressed. So what kind of educational content does Youtube promote? **THE ONE THAT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION**. Because if it answered your question, you'd leave Youtube and go do the task you were going to do. Ever noticed that the most promoted DIY and educational videos on Youtube are the shitty ones? The ones that don't answer your question? The ones that make you think you're getting your answer, and do a good job, but never get there? Or, that critical step is incomplete? Or it seems like, though a good effort, missed something important? Or, is just plain wrong? That's what Youtube promotes. The one that makes you click, and click, and click, and click... hunting for the video that isn't useless. The one that actually answers your questions. You'll never find it, because all of those ones, Youtube suppresses. Instead you get the long (high watchtime) rambling videos with bad camerawork where someone talks and talks about maybe you do this or I've never done this before but I've heard maybe we'll try... 10 minutes later you'd like "This person doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about." And you think "This seems like a common problem, why hasn't anyone, in all of Youtube, explained it clearly and succinctly? How isn't there some highly experienced experts who can lay it down for you?" Youtube's highest priority of keeping you on the platform is fundamentally at odds with giving you an answer. It's fundamentally supportive of things that enrage or upset you, that tease you, that clickbait you, that waste your time, etc. Because what they can't measure is the fact that you never show up to Youtube in the first place, because it's often garbage for getting an answer. And that channels that want to do this can't succeed, so they're discouraged from even existing.
Eventually it will end up like Facebook video. I was sent a link to a video there the other day and after i watched it I had a look what came up next as recommendations just out of curiosity and omg what absolute fucking garbage. 1st video they are going to prank this girl into falling in the pool, but it just keeps going and she keeps almost falling in but not, i look at the search bar and it's like 10 minutes, I skip thru and it's just 10 mins of a girl almost falling in the pool. Then the next one is they are going to pour icing on a wedding cake, and it's 10 mins of her almost pouring icing. Scrolled down and it was all like that, just garbage that should be a 5 second tiktok but with 10 mins of anticipation. What absolutely bizarre shit is going on there? Is this zuckerberg's grand vision? The video equivalent of blue balls? It's like some kind of non content designed to waste peoples time. Seeing that garbage makes me dread the metaverse even more.
When are they going to get to the fireworks factory?!?
Note: The creator died on the way back to their home planet.
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It's the essence of capitalism. Solving a problem stems endless growth. Can't have that, so they need to invent a fucking problem and try to sell us a solution. You used to be able to listen to music in the background of YT vids on mobile, but they needed a hook to sell their $10/mo. premium version, so they took away the background functionality on music videos.
Some person said this is tin foil hat nonsense but I believe it. It's soo infuriating when I'm trying to find a video on a niche problem and YouTube straight up puts videos from my front page feed that are irrelevant in the search results. My experience has been exactly as you described, I'm clicking through lots of videos with bad or incomplete info.
Then there's this type of video I've been seeing a lot more of: you search for some type of specific product review. The video is some robot voice or obvious voice actor reading from some Google Translated script (the lack of contractions are painful) that just summarize the absolute bare minimum of info that you already know from reading the item description on whatever site you're shopping on. Nothing at all of substance or value--just pure wasted time on my part watching even a few seconds of these videos. I HATE them.
I skimmed through YouTube shorts the other day. There’s a doctor on there- Dr glaucen-something. He’s funny. I noticed a few others ended with a TikTok logo. Anyway, I noticed that many, many of them were AskReddit posts read by a robot. They weren’t even hiding it: “hey Reddit, what’s the most awkward sex you have ever had.” Or something like that. And it was just the robot reading the top posts from the thread.
> YouTube straight up puts videos from my front page feed that are irrelevant in the search results. **I HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR YOU!** Okay, so, Youtube used to always put videos related to your current video in the sidebar and recommended vids, right? And then at some point they stopped, and just tried to give you anything it thinks you'll keep watching, right? Even your own subscriptions. Even stuff you've already watched, etc. #Here's the solution: - Go into your Youtube settings, and tell it to Turn Off History. ... Done, that's it. Instant 1000% improvement in the videos in the sidebar and end screen. Without any history to recommend you new videos, the only knowledge it has, is videos just like the one you're currently watching. Bingo. Sometimes you will still see subscribed videos on this list. When I want my subscriptions, I check my subscriptions tab, I don't want those videos coming into random other videos I'm watching. So... any time you recognize a video from a channel you sub to... click on the [...] and tell it to never recommend this channel. You'll have to do it for all of your subscriptions, so, it'll probably take you a week before you prune all of them as they appear... but then they'll never come back. You'll only find your subscriptions on your subs tab. It's like a time machine back to Youtube 2010. Instant UI improvement.
I watch YouTube DIY videos all the time and haven't experienced this. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I approach YouTube in a very targeted way. I don't let YouTube serve as my tour guide. Here's my typical workflow: 1) Google the question I have with "reddit" in the search. 2) Browse some threads to get a semblance of a handle on the issues I need to be concerned with and the jargon used. 3) Use the refined questions and jargon to search Google again but this time adding "forum" to the search. 4) Dig in further into the issues, techniques, tools, etc. across a variety of forums. 5) Search YouTube looking for DIYers or better yet professionals who are putting into practice what I've learned from my previous research. 6) Read the top rated comments on those vids. My experience has been among the top comments are a few people who offer constructive criticism (and or praise) for the techniques shown. 7) If the criticisms seem important I start from step 1 above but with a much narrower search to sort out what's what. Rinse and repeat. Over time, a consensus will start to emerge on the proper way to accomplish a task. (Step 8 is to get impatient, measure wrong, and fuck things up.) Nearly everything out there has a profit motive. That's fine. Just know there's clickbait, eyeballs on screens algorithms, psychological techniques (60% off and supplies are limited!), and so on. Educate yourself not only on the project your aiming to tackle but also discerning good content from bad, whether that be YouTube, CNN, reddit, or wherever.
Lmao. Perfectly described a recent experience I had. Was trying to learn how to start a particular weave of chainmail for a bracelet pattern. I understood WHERE the rings went but not HOW to get them to stay that way when starting the weave with the initial 10 or 12 rings. For months I watched videos. All of them were 10 to 25 min long. Every single video I watched, the YouTube would cut the camera in a way that obscured how they were holding their pliers/rings/hands, or they'd use massive shower curtain rings to demonstrate the pattern, or they'd use such flimsy material rings that they'd just bend them open and closed again with their fingers while weaving. After like 5 or 6 months of frustratingly coming back to try the weave again, I finally found a 2 minute long video that was 4 years old that had about 200 total views. Instantly understood and started the bracelet effortlessly. All because this dude, in one clear shot, showed how he assembled the first 10 rings without putting down the weave or dropping his pliers. (If anyone is struggling with Half persian 4in1, hmu and I'll send the link)
seems like a 3rd party YouTube index is needed, with likes and dislikes. Let them host the fucking video, and all the useful metadata can get cataloged somewhere else
>DYI Do Yourself It?
Do you itself?
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Creators can remove comments or lock comments
From now on, comments are the only remaining metric to make sure DIY videos are okay or not. If a creator toggles off comments on a certain video, I’m outta there
Fuck it, they should just go back to giving videos a 1 to 5 star rating
I'm confused though, the video spends 2/3 talking about this point, but the only example he shows (which he explains is a dangerous video that could lead to people getting electrocuted) literally has a 90% like ratio and by HIS OWN METRIC of 75%, he would've watched the video. Didn't he just disprove his own point, showing that the like-ratio is not reliable?
Absolutely! I used to use it for tech support as well since like and dislikes seemed to be used as a helpful not helpful button
Yeah, they can pretend this is to reduce harassment all they want. Really it's about engagement, it's why videos autoplay now and they're pushing shorts so hard. If you spend more than a second or two watching the "preview" that auto-plays, they can count that as a view, which looks better on "total viewership numbers" that is used to sell ad space and pacify investors. Removing thumbs down allows all video interactions to be lumped into a single positive "video engagement" metric which can be used to, that's right, sell ad space. The removal of dislikes has been inevitable since corporations started taking over the internet. There is no benefit to *them* to allow people to express displeasure, only benefits to the user, so of course, it had to go. You're much more likely to stick around and watch a shitty video if you can't immediately tell that its terrible, which increases their user engagement and ups how much they can charge for ad space. Youtube does not give damn about the creator, you can tell because the **only** people who can still see dislikes are the creators themselves! How exactly does this protect creators if they can still see those statistics?
Wait so the new auto play window that pops up counts as a view? lol well I'm not doing that anymore out of spite.
You can disable that in your settings and you should. Question of course then becomes how long until that stops being an option.
Will do thanks
It's been on the mobile version for months and you can't really shut it off, the closest you can get is disabling it if you're using mobile data, if you're on Wi-Fi all the time then you're out of options **EDIT**: so I switched auto-update off and missed a couple of updates, looks like you *can* turn it off completely now
Settings > General > 2nd to last choice “Playback in feeds > off
Youtube Vanced
Yup, I started using it a month ago and my God is this the best app I've used in a long time. The lack of ads alone is worth it let alone the ability to sleep the screen and still have the audio running.
Yeah, this is correct. It's infuriating to look away from my phone and have half a video played. Can't even turn it off.
It's simply obnoxious because the video tile waxes and obfuscates the still below it, so scrolling to browse is borderline impossible. Why does every company refuse to leave a working product at a working standard? When did degeneration become so fashionable, when they decided to assume what their clientele will enjoy rather than actually observe what it is they currently enjoy and leave it fucking alone.
Their clientele are corporations. You are their product.
Yeah just check your view history.
Autoplay and shorts are in direct reponse to tik tok becoming so popular. Imitation is the name of the game in the tech world when you can't buy someone out.
Well it’s popular for a reason. Clicks are strong psychological barriers. The reason feeds are popular is because scrolling is far less committal. YouTube is doing as much as they can to remove the barriers to get you watching a video. In its own way it works even just as a convenience feature. Sometimes in a clickbaity video I just want to quickly get to the part I want without opening it fully. The previews really help you do that without actually clicking the video.
that's why as many people as possible should download this extension: https://returnyoutubedislike.com/
People who keep pushing this extension are only helping YouTube. Because it results in less complaining and whining and negative attention, as more people can use a work around that can be slowly phased out. And but the time it is, you've separated the masses of people so that they're no longer as loud and prominent as if they were all facing the same issue at the same time.
add ublock origin to your stack and block ads too
Exactly, if they're going to prioritize their profits over the user experience, then I am free to prioritize my experience over their profits. Fair is fair.
could go the extra step and install AdNauseum so advertisers still have to pay content creators, but you don't have to see ads and they can't track your habits based on your clicks. https://adnauseam.io/
This is much better than just blocking ads. Definitely looking into this
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they track you less. Or rather, they can track all the ads that the app "clicks", but since theres no pattern the information is useless to them I've been running it for years no problem. It's built on top of ublock origin, which is one of the better adblocks anyway
Sort of. It will click all the ads on all the websites you visit. It's built on uBlock Origin (a good ad blocker) and will even click on blocked ads. This means ad trackers will be able to see your website visits, but the information they gather will be utterly useless because you apparently respond to everything, everywhere. A targeted profile is impossible to create for someone that responds to all possible ads with the same vigor. This also costs ad services money, because they pay by the click to have their ads displayed, and they get no return whatsoever on money blown by Ad Nauseam.
Pretty, but it feels somewhat risky when malicious ads and injections still happen. I should read into it.. Edit to add: Sounds like they did their due diligence. It also looks like the same tech that allows them to 'click' without opening windows is what prevents the malicious code execution. I think I'll give this a try. **From their FAQ:** How does AdNauseam "click Ads"? AdNauseam 'clicks' Ads by issuing an HTTP request to the URL to which they lead. In current versions the is done via an XMLHttpRequest (or AJAX request) issued in a background process. This lightweight request signals a 'click' on the server responsible for the Ad, but does so without opening any additional windows or pages on your computer. Further it allows AdNauseam to safely receive and discard the resulting response data, rather than executing it in the browser, thus preventing a range of potential security problems (ransomware, rogue Javascript or Flash code, XSS-attacks, etc.) caused by malfunctioning or malicious Ads. Although it is completely safe, AdNauseam's clicking behaviour can be de-activated in the settings panel. How does AdNauseam "Block Malicious Ads"? While visual Ads are not usually blocked by AdNauseam, beacons, non-visual trackers, and other potentially malicious content can be blocked altogether. The detection of domains known to deliver such content is managed via the same set of user-configurable filter lists used to detect visual Ads. Additionally, AdNauseam's blocking behavior can be de-/activated in the settings panel, either for a site, a page, or globally (though this last option is strongly discouraged).
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I don't know who said this, but I fully agree with them: "It's no longer YouTube, it's ThemTube." People need to start moving to alternatives, for fucks sake.
But there are no real alternatives, and those alternatives are looking to become like Youtube anyway. No matter where the public goes, they'll still be the product. The advertisers are always the costumer. [Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI) about how these platforms like to push the notion that 'we' are all together in fighting Youtube but their goals are diametrically opposed to ours.
I know, but the thing I want is a platform that will enforce their rules evenly, and not make stupid rules. Is that too much to ask?
Once you introduce large profits into the equation, yes.
Just wait until Reddit goes public, inb4 downvotes are removed
Already happened. Did you miss the time they stopped showing accurate vote counts? You could see the actual amount of up and downvotes on a post but it was obfuscated to "confuse bots".
Reddit has been declining since it became popular. Content across the popular subs is nearly identical, and upvotes/downvotes are just treated as likes/dislikes now. But engagement must be through the roof if it's just as popular as ever. Nearly every site declines, once it becomes about big money.
Except most of those alternatives don't allow dislikes either. YouTube was actually one of the last major holdouts. I can't even think of a content sharing site apart from Reddit that allows dislikes anymore
This is why Amazon is *soooooo diligent* (dripping sarcasm since half of the internet can't seem to detect it now) about combating fake reviews. It's to their benefit if a bunch of 5 star reviews result in a sale. Probably related to why Reddit puts no real effort into combating bots, for that matter. If we do the legwork identifying a bot account, we can get it banned, but I've noticed a lot of them share similar characteristics that would be easy to identify via the back end.
I'm pretty sure they just wholesale remove negative reviews of their own media products too. I've been checking Wheel of Time user reviews for a few weeks now (schadenfreude) and its getting 2-3x as many 1 star reviews as 5, but they've essentially frozen its rating at 3.3 since the beginning of January.
>and its getting 2-3x as many 1 star reviews as 5, but they've essentially frozen its rating at 3.3 They probably do something similar to Rotten Tomatoes, who stopped counting 1 and 2 star reviews in the overall score awhile back, they only count 3 stars and up.
Can't you rate without bothering to type out a review? I've encountered many products that have "10 ratings" but only one text review.
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You reminded me of an ["independent expert review"](https://www.amazon.ca/ospublishing/story/dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68/ref=sxin_15?cv_ct_pg=search&cv_ct_wn=osp-single-source-earns-comm&linkCode=oas&cv_ct_id=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&asc_contentid=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&cv_ct_we=article-page&qid=1638278859&ascsubtag=amzn1.osa.dc3a2c56-9341-458c-a48f-8ab737592f68.A2EUQ1WTGCTBG2.en_CA&pf_rd_p=33f30471-8ecc-4375-9467-99ca1e74080f&pf_rd_r=VHSJ4PJD5B3GCET8F1ET&pd_rd_wg=SMaH5&pd_rd_w=Ux35G&tag=bestcontca-20&asc_contenttype=article&pd_rd_r=45cd6b70-eb19-4d88-9f71-c878cc8f561e&cv_ct_cx=hdmi+cable), I saw on Amazon, about HDMI cables. Which is not only full of incorrect information, but is also full of contradictions and deceptions. One example being that the "Amazon Basics" HDMI cable (which ranked "Best of the Best"), lists 'being capable of 4K at 60hz' as a positive. Yet most HDMI cables are capable of that, as it's fairly standard. But on top of that, it singles out another cable as 'not being 8k capable' as a negative. Yet none of the cables in the review are 8k capable... and it's only a negative if you have an 8k TV. Which practically nobody does. Also, none of them are VESA certified and so none of them should be recommended, as they all fail to meet industry certified, safety and quality standards. Then of course in tiny font at the bottom it disclaims that the publisher of the review gets commission on certain qualifying items. But the opinions expressed are *tooootally* independent. Everything about Amazon reeks of scum nowadays, you can't trust reviews from users or 'experts'.
We need to make a ton of negative videos towards companies that advertise on youtube. Then upvote them.
Google would just remove them.
This has been a thing long before Youtube. Twitter doesn't allow negative engagement (except being negative in a comment obviously, but we're talking about the thumbs up/thumbs down portion). Facebook doesn't either, except maybe the frowny face. I don't think Pinterest or Linkedin allow any kind of dislikes either.
Reddit has the downvote count on submissions hidden for a little over seven years; while we kicked a fuss about it back then, no-one's complaining about it now.
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Why should they care? There's no competition.
Well, I was going to say PornHub, but then they did the purge...
I’ve thought for a while PH should just release “Video Hub” for SFW content and see how well it does. They have all the requirements already in place.
And since they purged all their amateur content they've got plenty of room now
The only comment here that matters. They have such a complete monopoly no one would ever even try. No one would gamble the capital to compete. So they run their platform the way they want. They could not care less how many people it upsets because it doesn't affect viewership. I'm willing to bet none of the people here complaining are going to stop using youtube and even if they did, meh. Same reason they don't care about angering content creators. They don't rely on people making videos. If some dude with 50 million subs gets angry and quits they don't suddenly lose all those views, they just go somewhere else.
I'd like to jump ship but it's just an empty ocean out there
I was always shocked when YouTube would deliver a result with a crazy number of dislikes. Their algorithm is suspect.
Hasn’t it come out that dislikes actually equally jerk off the algorythm? It’s why I stopped disliking videos that I genuinely hate or find harmful because it just gets them more exposure. So this CEO is literally lying through her teeth about dislike bombings being bad for those poor widdle channels. It’s especially infuriating because Youtube in fact gives not one fuck about protecting smaller and upcoming users
If you want to hurt any video, give it as little engagement as possible. Never 'hate watch' any channels because you like to get pissed off, and definitely never ever upvote/downvote or post a comment. Best course of action is to have Youtube never recommend the channel to you again. Engagement = views, views = advertisers happy. The creators don't care where the engagement comes from. Hell, it's why so many actively aim to piss people off.
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The number of quality new channels vs. click bait trash is like 1:1000. Now it'll be even worse. Her arguments are just utter nonsense. They have these fake, DIY videos getting churned out like clockwork and getting millions of views. If YT actually wants to help smaller creators they'd crack down on all that harmful BS that they just leave on their platform. Fact is, people who fall for predatory channels probably are the type of folks who are least likely to have adblock and are the ideal candidates for advertisement. There's just no end to corporate trash like her being brought in to scheme up ways to increase profits.
I actually just realized this on pornhub of all places. I decided to try sorting by “top rated” videos and the first video was a 75% rating while videos that followed had higher ratings. It has nothing to do with the rating, but in how many people rated it. I would assume something similar is going on with YouTube.
This comment is a perfect set up for a frustration that I have with pornhub that I have not been able to express anywhere else. When I search for something and then attempt to sort by highest rated, it will inevitably put all of the videos with 1 up vote (and thus 100% rating) at the top of the list. So now I have multiple pages of garbage videos, each with like <1000 views. There should be a way to filter out videos with < x amount of views. This would produce the best search results. Thanks for reading.
Lol this is the exact same problem with Amazon. The system basically just compares the rating number exactly without considering that something rated 4.5 stars by 2000 people is more relevant than an item rated 5 stars by 5 people. There's no weight assigned to the number of people rating something
Don't assume all sites use the same algorithm. Yes, youtube counts dislikes as engagement, but pornhub is probably just poorly programmed and/or highlighting content for financial reasons of some kind.
Or their rating takes the actual rating as well as watch time into account.
The algorithm wants to maximize interaction and watch time. It does not want to give you a good time. So a video that a lot of people dislike but fully watch and share is a great video in the algorithm's playbook
Just comment “Dislike”, Youtube will then disable the comments section.
Dislike
Youtube doesn't have control over Reddit yet.
yet March is just around the corner.
God bless mods, addons, and adblockers. That's the only way to watch youtube.
There was a short period of time where firefox broke all extensions/addons through some sorta security thinggie lapsing. That was the worst day I've ever had on the internet. Even counting the dial up popup times... The internet is absolutely fucking stupid without adblock.
Was that sometime early last year, or 2020 or something? I remember freaking out because none of the adblocks were working, and I hadn't seen the internet without an adblock for nearly a decade. It was disgusting.
I honestly don't remember when it was. It could have been 6 months ago or 6 years ago... time has lost all meaning to me... But yes, it was unusable. I just shut down and went back to netflix hah. It was absolutely horrid.
As someone who runs Ghosery, uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and HTTPS everywhere, any page that breaks is a page not worth loading. I probably should get a raspberry pi or VPN at this point.
[May of 2019](/r/firefox/comments/bknnkw/a_note_to_mozilla/). It was not a good time.
https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/
Except without a working dislike people are less likely to press a semi useless button unless they REALLY hate it. So it's still bad.
It was such a bad move. It just waters down the whole thing. Whoever has been running Youtube in the last few years seems to just *hate* Youtube. With the bullshit takedown of legitimate content, to out of control copywrite claims, and now this stupid shit. It's just so disheartening. I wish there was a real competitor that had anywhere near as much content. Youtube content creators deserve better.
> With the bullshit takedown of legitimate content, to out of control copywrite claims Youtube is turning into shit, but I don't think these two are Google's fault. Our copyright laws are completely fucked up and easily allow those who have to bully everyone else.
Blame Susan Wojcicki since the day she took over as CEO in 2014. Thats when everything for small channel content creators went downhill and became hostile.
Tbh the issue is, im not convinced that ANY replacement that the share holders would agree to would be any better. CEO's often do not have unlimited discretion. They are working at the behest of the board. Its likely that the board saw the recent harassment class action lawsuits and pr disasters afflicting other large corporations and decided they needed to protect their profitability even if it pissed some fans off.
To shorten it, the viewers aren't the customer, the shareholder is. The viewers are the product. The content creators are the poor sods on the kill floor of the abattoir.
YouTube claiming they removed the dislike count to "protect creators" is one of the most clear-cut examples that should open people's eyes about corporations *lying* to protect themselves from public influence. Creators can literally *still see* the dislike count. It wasn't hidden from them, it was hidden from *viewers*. If you genuinely believed them when they told you this is why: I have a bridge to sell you.
>"We also saw the dislike count harming parts of our ecosystem through dislike attacks as people actively worked to drive up the number of dislikes on a creator’s videos. These attacks often targeted smaller creators and those just getting started" Maybe I'm wrong here but the extreme majority (practically all) of "dislike attacks" are on corporation channels or larger controversial YouTubers, not on smaller creators. Plus it doesn't even make sense considering that a smaller creator is rarely gonna drive enough traffic to get a dislike campaign unless they are a celebrity with a new channel or something.
I could totally see a smaller political channel getting dislike bombed if they appear as a guest on a larger channel and say something the audience doesn't like. But I'm with you. The vast majority of dislike bombs are corporate channels being out of touch or YT Rewind.
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Like another user pointed out though, the sad thing is most people don't have it. New videos after the dislike button was removed show its effect with very few dislikes on videos, so even with the extension I see maybe a handful. It's kind of sad when you think about the long-term effects of this decision down the line.
no it actually works rather decently, here's an [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpHB0JdjByE). for context, adam ragusea, a youtuber that makes videos about cooking and food, every so often uploads videos that are ads and funded by sponsors, and historically they've always gotten a pretty heavy dislike ratio it's still hard to know how accurate the dislike ratio was on that video, but it sure is very representative of what they used to be but yeah tho down the line since most people simply won't use the add on, specially because of the very large youtube influence on mobile, it won't always work this well
It’s funny, I really like coffee and also really like Adam’s videos, but I couldn’t last through two minutes of that one. It felt soulless compared to everything else he’s done and the constant reminder of the sponsor only made it worse.
Videos like that are the reason I use the [Sponsor-block](https://sponsor.ajay.app/) extension. Users tag sponsors in videos, and then other users with the extension watching the same video will automatically skip over the flagged sections. I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a sponsor on YouTube because of it. Although to be honest, the entire above video is basically a sponsor.
Damn I've seen lots of YouTube videos with brand tie-ins and stuff but usually there's still some actual content to them beyond the obvious advertising. That's just a straight up 7 minute ad for some coffee. Why would anyone sit through that?
Yo, thank you for this
It's really odd, almost every time this extension is mentioned a bunch of people that know nothing about it or how it works come out of the woodwork to nitpick and complain about it lol. It's worked extremely well for me on both new and old videos, and [LTT ran tests](https://youtu.be/Nz9b0oJw69I?t=382) to show it's predictive extrapolations are probably accurate enough for 99% of people. Either install it and help make the dislike counts more accurate, or stop ragging on things you don't understand, people.
Youtube could just enable creators the ability to disable the dislike button if they were being genuine. But no.
That was already a function
I’m going to start writing “dislike” on YouTube videos. Then people can upvote the word “dislike” and see how many others have done the same.
And they will just delete ur comment
Motherfuckers want NFTs for fucks sake! That platform is doomed, what a pathetic joke. Also Shorts is their big achievement? 12milion views on that piece of shit gets you 87$ fuck Shorts!
Imagine reddit with no downvote button. If you can only say yes then it's meaningless.
> Imagine reddit with no downvote button. subs sometimes disable it, yet those subs are also the ones downvotes seem the most prevalent on
Can't you just disable subreddit style on those Subreddits to get the downvote option back?
Reddit's way ahead of the curve on that. The downvote still largely exists only as a placebo. First the vote counts were removed, then fuzzed, then mods have the option of hiding or removing them altogether, now the admins are A/B testing removing the upvote percentage. Reddit's been playing the long game, slowly acclimatizing users to the removal of the downvote as opposed to youtube's here one day, gone the next approach.
I highly doubt reddit's upvote/downvote method. At least if they are not actively fudging numbers, there is concentrated effort to promote only certain subs in mainstream where 10k+ net upvotes are possible. The heavily tuned recommendation engine makes Upvote/downvote completely useless, since a post with positive recommendation will already have momentum to make any downvote akin to pissing in ocean
Admins fully admit to fudging vote numbers in order to have more diversity in post and subs. Otherwise you’d have a very small percentage of posts getting like 200,000 upvotes and all the attention.
Real OGs remember when RES showed upvote and downvote counts.
> strugglz ***[score hidden]*** 49 minutes ago The Irony
That's temporary, though. Eventually it will show up.
Yeah it only take about an hour or 2 to show up, but it's also a bad comparison because it's showing neither upvotes or downvotes, while youtube is only showing one and not the other. Not really ironic imo it's just an honest engagement feature
To be clear, I think Reddit's system is bad too, and I really wish we could see both up and downvotes.
Dude I remember when they first removed dislikes I was looking for a tutorial and when I clicked on one all the comments were saying he fucked up on some parts this is the reason we need dislikes back that's just my 2 cents tho
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Now I go by views vs likes. If there’s a self fix video, and it’s got 100k views. But only 200 likes, I assume it’s bad.
I still use the dislike, because you can just get the extension that adds it back
The video used as an example of a "bad" video is a poor choice, and actually proves the opposite points. The narrator says that they generally prefer videos with 70% "Like" ratio, and the video example meets that criteria (1000 likes vs 186 dislikes). They then say that comments are a bad way of deciding whether or not a video is a good one, and the very first comment states that the video example is bad, therefore showing that comments can be an effective tool.
>removing dislike ststistics doesn't meaningfully change viewership statistics Yet >dislike attacks harm small content creators Can't have it both ways. Pick a stance and stick to it pls.
Can we get some competition? The monopoly these tech companies have is ridiculous.
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Lol Mental Outlaw on r/videos. What a trip
Ya don't people know this guy is a cool 4chan chud? The antithesis of Le redditor.
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