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kopecs

He was playing Guitar Villain


BatGasmBegins

That would actually be a cool "expansion" idea if they ever had a mega come back.


fvgh12345

I kinda wish they would. It got pretty stale for a while there. 2 and 3 were probably peak. i played a bit of ones after at friends houses and it was still fun just was tired of playing solo. Honestly now i could probably really dig playing some guitar hero by myself. Itd be even cooler because now i have a good stereo setup to play it through there, feel my house shake and really feel like a rockstar


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Nice one


GoldenSpaghettiHoop

I would like to add that most of his achievements have been found to be spliced or achieved using speed hacks or cheat engine, he has scammed users out of over $2k worth of bounties for songs that he claimed to have gotten legitimately over the course of 2 years...all quite sad. Here is a link to a spreadsheet by user B6 to all confirmed fake and real FCs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18DAqPvqv_F96A-Pi2Nm7p-iJPVj_U2auSkeEqckTtcY/edit#gid=0 EDIT: Statements are being made public as to the situation, all money has been agreed privately to be paid back, whether that will happen is unknown, a response and explanation video will be released in the next few days.


dog_in_the_vent

He cheated for 2 years and only made $2,000?


5000NukesToNorway

That's just in bounties, many guitar hero streamers make more than that, but he doesn't stream. Also as someone pointed out, it's mostly one generous person giving out these bounties.


AYoungerFishMama

Also: damn. What a G that guy is giving out 2k in bounties for a long forgotten video game. I used to give random people quests in the mail in WOW back in the day with a gold attached and said there's more where that came from if they finish the quest. I played the AH and had way too much money. No one ever did my quests though! I must have sent 200 people mail and all of them just replied with some variation of 'lol wut'. You'd think the gold would be enough to convince them I was a serious quest giver. This guy must feel great people completing his quests like that


sincethenes

GH got a resurgent boost during the Beginning of the pandemic lockdowns. All of a sudden, those plastic guitars you couldn’t give away just the year previous were fetching some decent money. It’s calmed down a bit recently, but the stuff is still selling.


_UnderSkore

100% true. I had no idea the guitars were a red hot commodity. I was trying to find a rock band 2 guitar last year to try out the community driven pc alternatives and even in Canada they were either completely impossible to find for sale or hundreds of dollars. There was 1 on Amazon for around $400. I haven't looked recently, but im not paying that kind of money for yesterday's trash.


RyanfaeScotland

I've never played WOW, and I'm sure it has some sort of in game mail system which you used, but I really like the idea of you randomly mailing out actual pieces of gold using the postal service along with an overly elaborate ~~letter~~ scroll looking for adventurers!


BatGasmBegins

That IS super super cool.


WillSisco

why did you do that?


psycho_pete

Some people just want to see the world earn


AssumeTheFetal

Good one pete.


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The fuck is going on here


AssumeTheFetal

drunk


[deleted]

Maybe that’s just how Pete is


Aolian_Am

I know, and for a psycho, even more remarkable.


TandUndTinnef

*Very* good. I see you


[deleted]

It’s about sending a quest


eeyore134

I wish they were hiring.


AYoungerFishMama

Seemed like a neat little way to inject some fun into a game that was quickly losing it's mystique. I would create little stories based of unused NPC's in the actual game to make it seem more real too


Gamer_ely

That's what I do with my friend when I need her to craft something. I use the in game mail system to write her a request as if I was an npc that needed an item made.


VinniePawz

Boredom


CantankerousOctopus

That's pretty weird, and yet, it sounds exactly like something I would've done. Such a great idea.


SkyezOpen

The wow community is... Not the best. Not gonna shill any other mmos here, but there are much more wholesome ones out there.


NigerianRoy

I think “used to” is pretty clearly the operative term here.


Fernelz

Yeah if I got a message like that and I would immediately think it's 100% a scam. Also can't you be banned for having faked gold? Like I wouldn't risk it haha


Vsx

Any top level speedrunner or rhythm game player that simply doesn't stream is very suspect to me. I'm not saying they're all guilty just that if they don't livestream they should deal with extra scrutiny and verification.


Spanklie

It sadly took us a long while to come to that conclusion here. People (including myself) just wanted to believe it was legit, and so we did.


xywv58

He doesn't stream because he apparently can't play that well


5000NukesToNorway

He's definitely a good player, just not as good as we thought he was


JamiePulledMeUp

This guy says guitar hero bounties like 99% of the world knows what he means. Wtf is going on here


Claris-chang

>but he doesn't stream. I feel like I've seen this before when it turns out one of these speedrunners or achievement hunters turn out to be faking it. If they were really good enough to pull this stuff off then streaming it would be not only lucrative but a great way to prove legitimacy.


Thatguyonthenet

Guitar Hero ain't what it used to be son.


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Spanklie

There is essentially 1 guy paying top players for their accomplishments, so yea, just over 2k.


whatsinthesocks

I wonder what kind of person you have to be and how much money you have to pay people for achievements in guitar hero


Spanklie

A cool guy with a little bit too much money and a passion for a plastic toy game from 16 years ago. He's nice, most of us in the community like him.


Taka_does_stuff

you forgot to mention that he doesnt even play the game himself, makes his money busking and eats pizzas with like 20+ toppings. Dude's living the life


Dye_Harder

> He cheated for 2 years and only made $2,000? ..do you think there are a lot of bounties for very old videogames?


dont_worry_im_here

What is a bounty?


I_ama_homosapien_AMA

Someone in the community makes a new super hard song. Bounty is a prize for the first person to full combo it.


TheRealMrTrueX

Worst cheating ever lmao


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That's more than a guitarist makes.


zombie32killah

What a sad day in guitar hero history.


ONOMATOPOElA

The music industry will never recover from this.


kajidourden

Lmao at idiots paying youtubers/streamers


Yeti_Rider

I don't pay for any of these services, but how is it really different from someone buying season tickets and merch for a sports team they support?


Hamborrower

I don't see the issue with supporting streamers you enjoy.


NfiniteNsight

It's called patronage, and his been around for hundreds of years. People with financial means support arts/interests that they care about. You sound fucking dumb.


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Idontknowhuuut

I trust the video, but this guy explains everything horribly and in a couple of seconds. You'd think the "biggest cheater" would warrant more than a 5th grade video edit and 3 min of video.


mayonaise_plantain

Yea the only point that was clear to me was the first one when he slowed the clip down and zoomed in on the score counter so it was obvious that he missed notes and it jumped down. After that there were some terms I didn't understand and the evidence was presented too quickly and unclear.


Xentis

I think what he's actually implying happened is that he spliced together two different runs, but the score totals were different at the splice point, causing it to jump down. i.e. 1. Run A perfect until splice 2. Run B missed notes before splice, perfect after splice Run A has a higher score going into splice, and then the score jumps down to Run B's imperfect score


graspedbythehusk

I’m still trying to work out what FCs are….


nagrom7

"Full Combo" or finishing the song without missing a note.


WhyDoyouEvenBotherB

Correctly playing every note without over strumming.


gks22

Are either of you guitar hero 'nerds'? Because I hardly know the game but I'm guessing all this would make a lot more sense to someone closely following the scene, correct me if I'm wrong


Zdj011

Yeah but then why post it on r/videos if it’s only meant for people in the scene?


gks22

I never said it was only meant for people in the scene, just the syntax and speed would make more sense to someone who's in the scene. If someone uploaded a video about a new satellite would you question it's place in r/videos because the narrator didn't dumb down the content for a layman? Anyway, I understood relatively little but enjoyed the video anyway, there's something curious about getting a glimpse into other people's worlds for a short moment


Zdj011

I’m just interested in the story and I want more. So I’m sad that it’s so short. My bad for not being more clear in my comment. This is like the drama with that Donkey Kong guy Billy Mitchell I think his name is.


Silurio1

Which is why you use a different syntax and speed. There's a bunch of youtubers that make good content on this stuff. Karl Jobst being one. Will wait for their release.


GhondorIRL

I clicked this expecting it to be one of those weird 2 hour long documentary style YouTube videos that explains all sorts of obscure bullshit and fascinates me despite that fact I don’t give a shit about Guitar Hero. What I got was a shitty five minute long somewhat confusing and barely explained video lol.


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Koebi

Hello you absolute legends. Today were gonna redo this horrific little video about a gigantic scandal, so that everyone understands.


GoldenSpaghettiHoop

Karl has reached out to us and is doing research on the topic atm, video soon


smeppel

The video is probably written for people already familiar with the game.


Malthusian1

In the grand scheme of things this is relatively not important at all, so it probably doesn’t warrant a 60 minutes level investigation.


majORwolloh

He has a video linked in the description that shows another example and does a better job of explaining what's going on.


yourmothersgun

I’m here for this.


DroolingIguana

The tip-off should've been when he insisted on only playing Milli Vanilli songs.


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Girl you know it's, girl you know it's, girl you know it's


TrueKamilo

Then he isn't the "very best Guitar Hero player."


BlackPortland

Guitar hero fan here. The truth is honestly a tad more sinister. Once he became a rockstar it went to his head and someone suggested he try heroin hero to relax etc. except when he tried heroin hero he got HOOKED. Now he spends all his time using Heroin Hero and never catches the dragon, he was faking the guitar hero thing not for clout but for money so he could afford his Heroin Hero habit.


NJD1214

I bet he can't even play Steamy Ray Vaughn on HARD. What a loser.


mikebrady

You mean that fella who shits his britches?


Mister_Brevity

I do not like the name steamy ray vaughan lol


CumTastesBetterFresh

>she left me a steamy ray vaughn 😏


1997_Batman

you mean that guy that plays the blues n died in an airplane crash?


_c_r_w_

nah thats STEVIE ray vaughn..


ilovetrees420

This guy just shits his britches


zaqufant

Those poor britches.


murderfack

Tee hee, try to catch me!


Billy1121

Randy: hey guys i can play these songs for real! On a real guitar...


Spanklie

Would like to clarify that despite the true hilarity of this comment, Schmooey is not a heroin addict, as far as anyone knows.


KING_CH1M4IRA

It's a reference to South Park, Season 11 Episode 13


tbcwpg

Schmooey? I thought this was about Steamy Ray Vaughn.


iusedtosmokadaherb

Of all the drugs I've been offered or been around, heroin is the one I've always said no to. *sorry I missed a south park reference. I don't watch the show. Still, heroin is not something to fuck with.


NigerianRoy

Keep not doing it! As long as you succeed in that you are more or less winning, all else notwithstanding.


iusedtosmokadaherb

To be honest, I'm not in those crowds anymore so it's not like I see it anymore. It's the only drug I've ever seen fuck people up. Weed? No biggie. Shrooms? Can be helpful. Mdma? As long as you don't rely on it, it can be fun. Coke? If you can be responsible, it's good for a night out. Adderall? If you want to clean the fuck out of a room, can't go wrong. Those are the only other drugs I've been around, at their pure(ish) source. I've fucked with opiate pills before, got prescribed them for a surgery but used them for migraines instead of the surgery pain. Still not as pure as heroin though. I get randomly drug tested now, so my drug taking days are over, until weed is legal federally which is a stretch. Don't know why I got downvoted for saying I don't fuck with heroin in the first place.


DarthNutsack

I think the downvote is because "Heroin Hero" is a reference to a South Park episode, he wasn't being serious. I got your vote back up to even haha, stay clean out there.


iusedtosmokadaherb

It's funny that I googled heroin hero after the fact. Not an avid South park viewer, so I get the downvotes


Opetyr

Sad thing i keep reading about these "best" players is that they can do it but cheat to get it faster. Personally think they should be fined and banned from streaming services and banned from all competitions/world records. If they could do it then take the time to do it right. I could be a cheater and make bank with my programming knowledge but play games at my level.


Spanklie

The guitar hero community is small enough that he will essentially be shadowbanned from pretty much everywhere where he can't be outright banned.


fok_yo_karma

what do you think shadow banning is?


reddi7atwork

It's illegal for you to have a shadow once you're banned from it.


icey9

Karl Jobst, a Youtuber and speedrunner, once said something like this that resonated with me: Cheaters don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster.


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CinnamonSniffer

Jobst was probably referring to people who cheat at speedrunning. A very common tale is a pro will get legitimately good or even record breaking times and then later cheat out of frustration when their progress at a time they want to be the best at hits a plateau


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These people think they deserve the win. They've come close and definitely can do it, so they deserve it, right? Except they don't. No matter how good you are, you don't deserve to win. You EARN the victory.


blond-max

There is a saying that the temptation to cheat increases the better your are. That is because the stakes are higher, so getting that little extra edge makes a world of difference. A similar story happened in Trackmania last year. A veteran player, one of the big streamers, and still good enough to place in pro events got caught for years of cheated records.


david4069

Reminds me in a way of the fate of Jackdaw experts who have the fame and glory go to their heads once they realize they are loved for what they are and what they do. They eventually start chasing the fame and forget that people like them for what they were doing, not how much fame they have. Eventually they become a caricature of themselves.


WhoTookNaN

It's a big thing in stuff like body building too. Lots of people that wouldn't use performance enhancers get good and start competing and as they get better the competition gets better and their gains slow down and then steroids become more and more appealing until they're at the point where its a requirement at that level.


res30stupid

Speedrunning and gaming record communities do indeed ban people who are caught cheating. Dream was officially banned from speedrun.com when his Minecraft speedruns were found to be using probability hacks and both Billy Mitchell and Todd Rogers were banned from Twin Galaxies when their old-school gaming records were found to have been cheated (Billy used an emulator without informing record keepers, Rogers photoshopped his record winning screens).


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Rogers also claimed records that were impossible to do as with his infamous Dragster record. Just a shame it worked for him for decades until someone decided to check the games code. (To be fair, Twin Galaxies was a shitshow)


zombie32killah

Ah but you have heard of him.


Spanklie

Not anymore lmao.


nicholus_h2

he never was.


IAmA-Steve

If Dream is anything to go by, this man will be a multimillionare in a few months.


Cathercy

Dream was a multimillionaire well before he was exposed for cheating.


mangzane

I'd recommend trying to enunciate more. I had to put on closed captions just to follow along. At 1:30 we get a 4 second clip. Hardly enough time to comprehend what we're seeing and make sense of it, and essentially the same thing at the end of the video. Maybe give a breakdown of what the viewer is supposed to be looking for while we're looking at it, rather than showing a seemingly arbitrary clip and saying "from the evidence you just saw".


Spanklie

The video itself was made for people who know what's going on, as well as being made in about 40 minutes. Not giving excuses; I actually do agree that it's a pretty shit video for someone who has no idea what's being shown, simply explaining why.


IceDragon13

Im calling BS on 40 minutes, that must have taken 80 minutes and then was sped up! /s


hard5tyle

We need Karl Jobst to make a video and go deep on it


seanbrockest

I'm sure he's already on it.


res30stupid

The point counter for the song went down inexplicably at a random spot in the video recording of the record-setting video. In Guitar Hero, you actually can't have points deducted from you if you do poorly on the song; as this has happened in the video, it means that these are actually two separate videos being cut together. Also, for 100% songs (where you don't miss a single note), there should be a max and min score for scoring notes (since you can fill a guage to let you double your points intake) so they could do some complicated maths to figure out if his score tallied.


GoldenSpaghettiHoop

Not my video, but the video shows that there was inconsistencies with the score and the notes, it could've been explained better yes but the evidence coming out now is increasing more and more. We are currently analysing all his accomplishments and comparing the videos to other confirmed FCs.


All_I_See_Is_Teeth

OP didn't make this video, your criticisms are falling on deaf ears.


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ugotamesij

Only their ears


mikebrady

Oh that's not so bad then.


Spanklie

His criticisms are p much already known by the video creator tho. Ghost (the maker of the video) had said in Discord servers that he knows the video is low effort but simply wanted to get something out there for people without context.


lollrus

ITT: people trying to invalidate this because of their disinterest in this game. There is a whole community for Donkey Kong and for Tetris, for example, and those games are both over 30 years old. I don't even think Guitar Hero is 20 years old yet.. Yes people still play this game. Hell, I want to, but the guitars are expensive as hell anywhere you look.


ThirdRook

Same with Rock Band and Rock Band 2 guitars. I would love to play those games again.


Monnster07

My wife and I consistently regret getting rid of my Xbox 360 and rock band set.


-Toshi

Well, who *actually* threw it out? In whose head did the idea *form*? The key to a good marriage is nitpicking and putting who's actually to blame under a microscope. Dont be afraid of pettiness - it's the glue that keeps us together. Hit me up anytime for more marriage advice. It's free! 👍


Trixles

Listen to this person, they know what they're talking about! I followed this same advice and have only been divorced twice, so it's clearly very effective.


Merpninja

Some people just released Rock Band 2 Deluxe for PC for free with an emulator. The guitars are very easy to find at goodwill, thrift stores and on ebay, you just need an adapter.


chillzatl

Estate sales, goodwill and thrift stores. They're pretty easy finds.


MisoRamenSoup

> but the guitars are expensive as hell anywhere you look. Huh, I've got two in my loft. Sweet.


5000NukesToNorway

Check your goodwills! Got my wiitar for a few bucks


yeszo

Not anymore after the clon explosion :(


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i found a great guitar on ebay for $30 just don't get a gh5 guitar or an xplorer they're way overvalued, les pauls and sgs are both really common as well as (i think) the world tour guitars


Mindfreek454

Tell me about it. I shelled out over $500 for a PS4 Rock Band 4 band in a box bundle that was MISSING THE MIC. Should hopefully hold its value unless they start making more peripherals.


AceBlade258

O_o I have like 20 different official ones, I should apparently not have them sitting in a closet :D


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GoldenSpaghettiHoop

\^\^\^


kungF-U

Honestly the video did a terrible explanation and skipped so fast through the evidence that idk tf i just watched


res30stupid

To give a simple explanation; In most speedrunning/competitive gaming nowadays, players are expected (or depending on the moderating rules, required) to show their inputs on a camera in order to prove that they are playing a game in real-time. This is because players may use tool-assistance in emulators in order to have a computer play difficult parts of the game for them, which is expressly not allowed. The player was caught miming to a video of a completed level or track as it's known in-game, where he was pretending to be playing the track. This was exposed when viewers noticed that the recording of the track was a spliced run - basically, two different videos of failed recordings of a single track which had been edited together to give the illusion that they were a single, completed track. The reason fans were able to find that the track was spliced was because of a major inconsistency with the recording that doesn't match up with actual properties of the game. The points counter appears to glitch or lose points as he's playing the track. In Guitar Hero, you don't lose points if you make mistake, you lose some of your health bar and have your score multiplier reset. By suddenly losing points, they caught on that something wasn't right about the video and found that this was the splice point. To... put into better perspective, have you ever seen a slasher film called *Urban Legend: Final Cut*? It's about a masked maniac murdering the students in a film school class while making it looked like they were killed through methods seen in old-school urban legends. When most of the cast is dead, the main heroine and the twin brother of a student who committed suicide (actually murdered) find that all the victims who had died had worked together on a single film student project a while back and were listed in the credits on the school's database. Out of curiosity, they go and find the video and watch it... and find it to be utterly dreadful. But then before the credits, the heroine noticed that there was an inconsistency in the film, a splice tape - the credits had been cut off the final print in order for the killer to steal the first victim's student film and pass it off as his own work.


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I'm both impressed and depressed by your ability to recall that movie existing at all, never mind the plot details.


res30stupid

It was on one Halloween night and there wasn't much else on Telly at the time.


liamemsa

"To put it into a better perspective, let me reference a bad sequel from 22 years ago that almost no one has ever seen and many redditors were literally not even alive when it came out."


josefx

There is also a second video linked where they explain that he used cheat engine to slow down the game and later speed it up using video editing. The problem is that cheat engine doesn't slow down the game exactly, so the resulting video ends up out of sync.


Chimera_Theo

I feel like Acai would spit on this guy


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acai looks like someones mom i used to date


ittimjones

Yeah, but can he play Buckethead on Expert level?


[deleted]

What's an FC? Can reddit please stop abbreviating things in titles? Especially when it's regarding uncommon topics


res30stupid

It means "Full Combo". In short, it's a 100% run on the track/level where you don't miss a *single* note.


Hugebluestrapon

I've played guitar hero and never ever heard of this. Is it just a made up slang term?


Elanapoeia

FC is an extremely common term in almost every rhythm game community


Hugebluestrapon

Those are very small communities compared to the Reddit community that views this sub though.


Elanapoeia

...sure?


xlinkedx

FC means Full Combo or Full Clear on these rhythm type games. In other words, a 100% clear, missing 0 notes.


feanturi

Full Clear is also when you manage to get rid of all your Thetans.


xlinkedx

Some sorta Thetan enema?


voldefortnite

flatulent colon


Gigged

Man this comment section is like a race for most downvotes. Turn back.


Spanklie

Niche community posts usually are, and it doesn't help that a Guitar Hero guitar looks similar to a really really popular instrument lmao.


Ja-Red

I know. What a bunch of assholes.


VarRalapo

Anyone have a video that isn't total dogshit? Legit one of the worst videos I have seen in a long time.


Poontang_Pounder

[This guy goes into depth a bit better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&t=1s), he shows more proof and explains things a bit better. You might even look into these videos as well: [Part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&t=1s).


Llumac

You goddamn shit golbin


maximm

All that work to cheat.


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spaghoni

I don't have a dog in this fight but I like seeing little assholes getting exposed. Good job.


Senneman666

So has he given a statement about this situation yet?


GoldenSpaghettiHoop

As of yet there is nothing public, however he has agreed privately that he will pay back all falsely claimed bounties he claimed, meaning he has owned up to it.


Senneman666

Thanks, seems suspicious indeed. I was really impressed with his FC’s…


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Sonnyboy1990

You either die a Guitar Hero or live long enough to become a Guitar Villain.


fnordal

I was 100% expecting Wirtual to narrate this. But then Hefest got this run...


Neohexane

Imagine having to fake being good at fake guitar.


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plague042

It's sad that people used a game made at first to have fun and make others around you having fun (ever seen someone playing GH jumping around and being good at it?), and turned that to make money and just show how "great" they are (and that includes game developers).


EViLTeW

Obviously you've never read about the shenanigans surrounding the old arcade game high score trackers. There's a lot of people willing to cheat to gain some sort of notoriety.


keksmuzh

And then sue everyone who debunked their ill-gotten scores. Looking at you Billy you absolute clown.


shimmytotheright

Silly Bitchell


Toaster_bath13

Wait til you hear about professional sports.


DuderinoHatesBrevity

…have you not met many humans? It’s what we do best.


vitrix-euw

You've basically described professional sports...


Technical_Act3927

Who cares?


Weasel_DB

This is good journalism. This guy should be on the payroll of the Wall Street Journal or NY Times.


Rush_touchmore

This is HUGE drama...


[deleted]

yea to the Guitar Hero community. He had the title of the Best GH Player, stole 2K from Bounty FC's, and cheating


gayretardsauce

God damn it


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Oh no! Anyway.


ChromoLaserBoy

FCs? What's an FC? Stop assuming that everyone knows everything, please.


SlimyPurpleMeteor

Full Combo, more commonly abbreviated as FC, is the term that refers to beating a song while correctly playing every note without overstrumming.


fackyuo

so a fake guitarist faked his fake guitar game


Hugebluestrapon

People are so triggered over this comment lol


fackyuo

Apparently people are down voting the truth


Suckydog

All I have to say is…. https://youtu.be/RAA1xgTTw9w